Knew it was important and I reached out to a few connections with regards to getting someone to speak about it and I’ve had the tremendous pleasure to get one of the authors with me and he’ll be able to explain a little bit more about what was being done why they did
What they did and why this could be relevant not just for the United Kingdom but for countries across the world what should you be doing with this kind of information are these questions that you should be asking of your officials and critically the report was meant to be evidence-based and so therefore it’s
Less about who or what but what it says in it and so there will be a link in the description that points to it but let’s get uh Nick with us to be able to explain a little bit more about what it was that they were doing at the time hi
Nick could I ask you to do a quick introduction of yourself yeah hi Philip and um hello everyone um I’m Nick hunt I’m a retired senior civil servant and I used to work in the ministry of Defense in the UK I’m a professional engineer by by
Training and uh in the sort of second half of my career I was responsible for the safety and effectiveness of ammunition a whole range of Munitions used by the UK armed forces the Army Navy and Air Force excellent and one of the interesting things about you Nick is that your dad
Was a pathologist is that about right yeah he was a neuropathologist um in Southampton at the General Hospital excellent and one of the reasons why I highlighted that is because I’ve recently been doing a presentation on the fact that autopsies the first published autopsy I did this just recently was only done
Um just about a few months ago you know on somebody who died after being vaccinated I find that unbelievable in the context of a system where pathology is the foundation of Western medicine but that’s just a has an interesting point because of your your father’s background with pathology
Yeah he uh he used to take me when I was a kid he used to take him into his lab and show me um uh brain samples and all sorts so I I grew up not squeamish about that sort of thing but on autopsies I I think your
Comment might be just about the UK they’ve been doing them in other countries no well I say that usually people need to differentiate between autopsies being done because autopsies are done all the time by the Coronas but in terms of published autopsies on the research when you are looking at what
Were the outcomes of the the impact of vaccination on people who died looking at different organs specifically to understand it only the first one was published a few months ago which to me is unbelievable after 13 billion doses so that’s that’s the the connection so let’s let’s get
Into some of the the questions here can you explain to us what really is the Perseus report in the context of you know who puts us together on on why what is it about probably need to wind back about 18 months two years um to understand where where the people
Who contributed contributed to the report where they’re coming from and if I talk to myself to my own motivations first um my my background in safety of Munitions and Effectiveness um you know I know how long it takes to develop and prove that safety and effectiveness of
Them and for a simple one like a just a small bullet it would take uh at least a year from a production standard for a complicated system like a missile or a torpedo it would take three five even more years so when they were talking in the UK about um licensing
The covid vaccines after about nine months I thought that was um incredible in the truest sense of the word and so I started using my knowledge of Safety Management to ask questions of the mhra in the UK and I didn’t like the answers I was getting
Um I I one of my first questions was can I have a copy of your last safety audit um and safety audit reports would tell me a lot about uh the intricacies of how they what their processes are for managing safety and how good they were at doing it
And they didn’t have they hadn’t been safety audited they managed to produce a quality audit of half of their activity the the in-use monitoring of medicines not even about the licensing of medicines it’s not worth going into it here but the difference between a safety audit and a quality audit are enormous
So um it got me even more worried I asked more fois the more I got answers eventually the less I liked what they were doing and I can’t remember exactly when it was um it probably was a middle of 22. I started writing articles um in the daily skeptic
About these shortcomings in their Safety Management um and someone picked up on the Articles and put me in touch with someone else who had concerns and and so on um and I we ended up in a in a group which we only laterally called ourselves the Perseus group the
Other people in the group um some of them are medical they’ll they’ll have been concerned I know about the way not only the way they are licensed the vaccines so quickly but they were the way they rolled them out down the younger age groups I wanted to to pick on something that
You said there Nick because I’m very interested in something you just said which is that when you started writing about what you were your concerns you did it under a pseudonym why did you do that well at that time there was still a lot of pro -vaccine
Um Lobby and you know shouting down anti-vaxxers and I didn’t need all that I just wanted to get get the message across I think the messages need to stand on their own without people being attacked personally um um I’m I’m over that now and I’m that’s
Why I’m talking to you yes but it raises a question you know and before we even go into the process report because I suspect that there will be many people like yourself who have concerns so here is the bit that I find very interesting if you were still working in
The ministry of Defense okay and you’re still active in your job how would you feel about speaking about these concerns um I think the difference would be that I wouldn’t be sat here talking to you about them if I was still employed um I would have I would have almost certainly written
The articles that I wrote Under a pseudonym um I would have still contributed to the reports and helped helped with all the other aspects of that but I would have had to retain my anonymity I think um but one thing I might have done is actually try and do something behind the scenes
You know within the mod and talk to the mhra you know within official channels because it isn’t that their their approach to Safety Management is a million miles away from what I uh was used to and and I want an a know why and B help them do it better
Yeah no these are Big questions and I think the reason why I touched on that before I went into the report was because I think people underestimate how many people there are like yourself who just sometimes need someone to stand up and say something and to ask the hard
Questions the questions that are not easy to ask but then suddenly when it is asked are very very reasonable and the the reason I’m picking on this because there may be people who are watching this who are still employed who are very afraid of rocking the boat because of
The risk to their jobs or to whatever else is going on what do they do do they just stay quiet because of those concerns no well I don’t just speaking for myself I wouldn’t have stayed silent I would have just retained that or tried to retain anonymity
Um there are some brave people who’ve stood up and um you know gone public you know in employment and the trouble is that they do get vilified and and their careers harmed we don’t need to know we all know who they are in the UK yes very brave people yeah
So so it brings us then back to one important part about the actual document itself and it’s it’s part of what you had said with regards to the um the authorship of it an interesting thing that I found and I’ll just bring it up here and this is the the Perseus report
Itself and the authors it’s a multi-disciplinary team of experts from various Fields including medicine Safety Management and pharmaceutical regulation you didn’t put the names and the question is why didn’t they put the names foreign to stand on its own merits it doesn’t offer opinions or anything like that
It’s based on factual evidence that has been gathered and collated from a whole range of sources like Freedom of Information requests and um other communication with the mhra and um you know the first thing that would happen if we put our names to it all of
Us is that they would have been attacked personally in an attempt to undermine the report well if we don’t stick our names on it um then it’s harder to have to challenge the the content of the report now I I’m relatively speaking and nobody I’ve got no track record in doing this sort
Of thing I’ve got credentials in Safety Management which I’ve applied to what’s written in the report that’s why I’m sitting here um but we haven’t named the authors in the report excellent yeah so that’s a that’s a valid point because I suspect that there would be people who would question from
That point and I think it really brings to a question one of the interesting parts of the pandemic is that there has been this talk about who is an expert in the covid-19 pandemic when all three years down the line and we’ve had the people who should be the experts
Should be leading the way and we are not out of the pandemic are they still the experts well I’d probably answer that from another Direction suppose um you know not everything in the report is a hundred percent correct we’re confident it is but suppose somebody thinks it isn’t
But at the very least it’s generated and they are um listed in the report and on the website um perseus.org.uk a whole list of questions um that really parliamentarians policy makers and you know the media ought to be asking um there’s enough weight of evidence there to to ring alarm Bells
Um what we’re very confident in that’s why we’ve gone to the lengths of sending it to all um MPS and Lords peers in the UK and to key figures who you’ve referred to as experts you know June rain the head of the mhra and um and another experts who’ve had
Something to do with the uh the rollout of the covert vaccine we’re confident in its uh contents and the questions that arise from it which should be asked and so you think the questions are big enough at the moment that they should actually suspend the vaccine rollout or
The use of it until they have clarified it or would you say that the pandemic and the risk to lies from the infection um supersede no I I think um stronger than what you’ve just said I think um I don’t I don’t think it’s a question of pausing and clarifying I
Think there’s a fundamental problem with the Safety Management um of these vaccines it’s not just what I think it’s what the report concludes it needs a proper inquiry into mhra’s um regulation and Safety Management not just of covered vaccines incidentally everything I mean there’s a section in the report on best practice Safety
Management which mhri don’t follow uh which applies to their regulation of all medicines I I personally have lost complete faith in the safety of all medicines wow and to put it bluntly if they haven’t been in use for for let’s say five years I’d be really wary and if it
Wasn’t a life-saving situation I would I you know wow so there was a big statements in relation to the actual standards and this is you’re talking about the um the medicines health and Regulatory agents in the UK but do you think that this applies to the regulatory agencies in
Each country because every country has their own regulatory agency I know and they all have different degrees of influence I think um I suspect I I haven’t looked to be honest I haven’t looked too much at the other Regulators but from what I have looked at there are some leaders so in
The mhra um the U.S equivalent um to think is the CDC um no sorry the FDA um and some of the Scandinavian ones are you know in the Premier League of regulators of the European ones and then other ones around the world but you know other countries have less mature
Um National Regulators than that than those um so I you know but but as far as the the Premier League ones go as far as I know they they all suffer from the same sorts of uh shortfalls so it’s so in in relation to you mentioned the Scandinavian country and
You raise the points it’s not Scandinavia Switzerland but Switzerland has just done effectively they have said in their recommendations they are no longer recommending covert vaccines and they will only give it if the doctor technically prescribes it and says that the person should have it and somebody
Can get it but they have to pay for it yeah you know so are we seeing the the Breakaway of different views I’d recently done the question the FDA is still recommending it Switzerland is no longer recommending it the UK have stopped the boosters and there’s no
Starting a spring booster who seems to be following what science uh it’s not it’s not unreasonable I suppose for different countries to have different approaches because they’ve all got different um perceptions of safety and and risk and benefit um you know it back in back in my you know profession
Um different countries would you would use the same munition but under different limitations depending on their tolerability of risk and and that may be part of the explanation I mean um uh I think it’s in the I think it’s the case that in relation to the AstraZeneca um covert vaccine the Scandinavian uh
Uh Regulators were among the first to suspend its use I think Austria also maybe even Austria was the first but um they were far quicker months quicker than uh the UK mhra to act on the same evidence because they all share the same the same energy same safety evidence they’ve got European
Um uh adverse event report systems yeah and so when you actually think about that when AstraZeneca was technically suspended they never put it like that it’s still licensed yes so therefore did it why didn’t that raise questions was it it seemed as though they perceived that this was a a pharmaceutical issue
So that it was due to the formulation of AstraZeneca as opposed to probably could it be that just vaccination in the context of covid-19 was a risk in itself with the Spy protein why was that not thought of at that point um I I can’t I don’t know the answer to
That but the um the issue for me is that um it’s back to your earlier question why do different Regulators take different approaches in some countries the AstraZeneca vaccine is has been withdrawn but in the UK it’s been inverted commas withdrawn you know suspended inverted commas um
Nothing formal has been done it’s still licensed for over 40s I think are wonderful anyway still got a license within the UK even though the jcvi and for people not in the UK that’s the separate body which decides once of something’s been a vaccine has been licensed which demographics
Um get that vaccine at what time so they they were in charge of rolling out to different age groups but they it was they who decided not to give it to certain age groups but it’s still formally legally ridiculous so I’m going to bring up a piece of the
Report that jumped out at me and it was this bit here when you guys put in total number of Adverse Events um based on utravigilance common vaccines and you showed here that 673 million vaccines measles vaccines were done they almost had 49 000 Adverse Events polio similarly amount they had
Only about 9 000 all the influenza vaccines we don’t know the total number but it will be quite a lot only 44 000 Adverse Events compared to covid-19 their vaccines 1.8 million and that’s what we know so far yeah now um the first thing is there’s much more data like that we got
That from the World Council for Health pharmacovigilance Report which is easy to find online um but I I mean I have to point out as mhra would be the first to but an adverse event report doesn’t equal causation um however um those figures are so alarming that you have to
Look harder and you know they should look harder and if I could just go into one of the things that astounded me early on I asked mhra for a a copy of their process for investigating yellow card reports and they wriggled and squirmed and I had
To ask for a review of their first answer was they didn’t have such a process which absolutely astounded me because if you if you work in the defense sector the oil and gas sector the nuclear sector Aviation you name it they’ll have a process for investigating incidents whether they’re minor
Uh through to fatal they’ll have a process and and that’s to make sure that everybody knows how to investigate them what information is required um and yet the mhra don’t have such a process they I mean I’ve spoken to people who who’ve lost loved ones um and submitted a yellow card report
Um and the mhra have um you know eventually after about three or four chasing emails contacted the deceased GP and then it all goes cold you know what about that person’s health records what about the other medication they were on etc etc um and then you know
Someone else actually had asked them how many of the yellow cards reporting a potential uh linked to a fatality from the covered vaccines had been investigating the mhra didn’t know um they they would they said it would cost too much to find out which is if you stop and think about it absolutely
Staggering well this would this would therefore fit into the fact that it seems that no one is interested in trying to understand the patterns with excess deaths it’s almost as if this has just been accepted as a consequence of the fact that the vaccine rollout needed to happen and so
You’re raising a question here that really got me thinking the mhra based on what I’ve been reading I can’t verify this but the majority of the funding of the mhras from the pharmaceutical industry when you think about the regulation of munition say in your area of expertise
Who does the funding for that and do you think that has an impact I I happen to think that the funding sources of slight red herring a bit of a distraction and I’ll explain why um in so mhra um companies wanting their pharmaceutical products license pay a fee to the mhra
Companies producing medical devices they don’t they don’t mostly don’t pay a fee to the mhro the mhra fund it from well it’s basically taxpayer funded the government votes the money to the Department of Health and gives it to mhra so it’s free to the medical device manufacturers in my world uh in defense
Um it was the same we would decide what we wanted to buy and we would basically pay the costs of Licensing whatever it was that we were then going to buy and um give to the Armed Forces I think what I’ve asked myself is suppose it was the other way around with
Medicines and the Department of Health paid for the cost of licensing the Pharmaceuticals products not only do I think the criticism would come why is the taxpayer funding the Pharmaceuticals to license their products that’s ridiculous the tax person helped the Pharmaceuticals make profit um and the other one is I don’t think
That regardless of the way around the funding is it would make much of a difference because the um because of the failings in their Safety Management until it’s a bit of a red herring yes I understand that so then how do you explain what it is that you through your digging
And just explain to people what Freedom of Information is because many people would have heard you say foi and so on but what exactly is that and how does that relate to the answers that you’ve been getting that many other people don’t know yeah so many many countries have
Something called the same or called different but the same principle the Freedom of Information Act of 2000 in the UK allows anyone to ask a question of an official body an official body can range from a government Department through to a hospital trust for example to use your area
All right and there are you know other um you know below government Department like councils you can ask a freedom of information requested to a council but you’re you can’t ask them a question like why do you do this why’d you do that you have to ask for a copy of this
You know tell me how many of these um Etc and so yeah because it explains so that people understand that this information that you were getting wouldn’t be in the public domain but it is because of your specific expertise with regards to understanding regulations and quality control that you knew exactly what to
Ask and so therefore it is out of that knowledge that you are bringing to all awareness because as you said the question of the ever card system it is shocking that it is there but nobody looks at it so then what is it there for well yes it’s it’s
Um my knowledge and some digging around that I did to find out what I thought were holes in what mhra were doing and of course there’s many other people with expertise in different areas like you just mentioned manufacturing and so on who are asking very detailed questions about the
You know down to what’s the water content in the covert vaccine what’s you know what’s the the quality um uh audit Trail for this particular ingredient within the vaccine and at least one of the um ingredients uh something to do with a liquid uh the lipid nanoparticles um
Didn’t have any quality track record at all had never been used in a human application before and yet this was something that was approved within nine months of them starting well assuming they started when the pandemic started right and that’s a different question we’ve avoided getting into conspiracies and you know opinions
Like that but it raises even at a critical point because I got here in your report here and you have pointed out with regards to miscarriages and spontaneous abortions never before has the mhra authorized the use of a medicinal product to the pregnant population with such a paucity of data
Including no long-term safety data I I think people will struggle to believe that this is accurate and they would think to themselves that I I can’t believe that’s true that must be misinformation it is this true no it’s absolutely it’s absolutely correct I mean by definition they cannot have
Had any long-term safety data after nine months it’s impossible um and I’ve I can’t remember the event she said it at but June rain it might have been that the House of Commons Health Select Committee um I heard her say something about you know we’ve we’ve never done that we
Don’t test things on pregnant sorry we don’t yeah we don’t test things on pregnant women um some something like that I’d have to dig up the reference but I’m I’m 100 confident that that statement is true yes and it these are I don’t know I that
One of the big concerns I’ve always had even though I think it is important for us to raise questions I worry that we cannot afford to destroy the credibility of an organization that we depend on in terms of other things so it’s not just about covid-19 and covet
Vaccines but we depend on the mhra for multiple other drugs and procedures and and devices that are coming through the system it should we just accept that maybe there were some errors here and you know they will learn from it and we just move on absolutely no no this is um
For me it’s structural and fundamental um they they just don’t do the basics they’re not they don’t have the the organization all the culture to do Safety Management like it’s done in other safety critical sectors I’ll give you a couple of examples one is and that these examples are related one
Is organizationally they’re split between the licensing of a pharmaceutical and the pharmacovigilance the monitoring of it once it’s in use there are two directors one for licensing and one for pharmacovigilance you you don’t you can’t split accountability for safety like that um it’s basically the guy who’s licensing something then Chucks it over
The wall to the person who’s monitoring it in service it’s it’s got to be managed as a whole that’s how other sectors would do it and another one is that um and it is related to this um in my world I had a personal delegation from the Secretary of State for defense
Float down from him not not a letter direct from them but flowed down to me that told me what I was responsible for in terms of the range of things products I was responsible for and safety and Effectiveness and what the rules were that I had to follow and I was only
Allowed to have that delegation once my um competence have been assessed in terms of you know experience qualifications training and so on the mhri don’t have that um the Secretary of State for health is accountable for the safety and effectiveness of medicines he lets the mhra get on with it but
Within the mhra when they license a medicine a group of assessors look at all the evidence that as submitted by the pharmaceutical company and seem to make a group decision there’s they’ve they’ve put in writing that there is no one individual who takes the decision they say other than the secretary of
State but I don’t that isn’t what happens on a day-to-day basis I I worry about all medicines and I know it’s it’s you know disappointing that um I’m you know the report is saying that in relation to the mhra you’re right they they are supposed to protect
The public but we don’t think they are and this these are these are almost frightening to consider the implications of this but um I had spoken previously to uh somebody who’d worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a vaccine regulation um Susan and she had mentioned something
That has stuck in my head and it seems that what you’re seeing here fits no one is responsible and no one is accountable if something goes wrong is that a boat accurate that’s exactly what I’m saying and if you want a bit more evidence of it’s going to be circumstantial evidence but
Um if you think about how long it takes for um you know from the point of you know with a medicine that someone thinks there’s a problem to the point it actually reaches um a disaster and you know there’s a public inquiry if you take the cumblage inquiry
Um I can’t remember the times goes off the top of my head but it’s got to be 10 10 plus years between the products being licensed and them having to be stopped or severely limited in the UK that was a that was a report that was published in 2021 I think over
An inquiry in 2019 but it but it highlighted the number of years over which it took for someone to actually take responsibility and say no that needs to be stopped and the swine flu um vaccine in the UK in 2009 was another example it took seven years I think it was 2016 before
It was debated in the House of Commons in terms of um damages for people harmed by That vaccine um so I I like to do hindsight thinking and I like to ask hard questions about what was happening so the mhra and people who have been pushing forward with the vaccination program would argue
And say that at the time when we were developing vaccines to try and save lives there wasn’t time to do all of those assessments and they had to just move on getting it out there okay so using your expertise and regulation suppose you’re in the middle of the war
You’re running out of munition you don’t have the time to test and see the soldiers just need weapons on the battlefield what do you do um well that happened a number of times there would be um a specific operation where there was a need for some new munition
Or an existing munition to be used in a new way and it was possible um to um qualify that particular application very quickly based on very limited evidence but only if um there were strict limitations on its use and and I give you an example when you when you carry something in a
Helicopter a helicopter is a bad vibration environment and vibrations bad for explosives so you would only be allowed to fly that um whatever it was for one flight say because you didn’t have any data that would let you do any more than that um whereas if you did a full-scale
Five-year qualification program you might be able to carry it for a thousand hours in there in a helicopter or multiple multiple flights it’s the same here in you know in medicine and the covert vaccines I you know I don’t have a problem with them um uh licensing something and based on very
Limited data for very limited applications under strict limitations and you know what one Earth they knew what the profile of age susceptibility to covid was and how it Rose or decreased exponentially the further down the air down the age groups you went so that under about 70.
You know you weren’t I can’t remember the exact figures but you you weren’t at significant risk from covid you had to have comorbidities as well why on Earth did they um start rolling out to lower and lower age groups still based on very limited
Data I just don’t get it at all this is a very important point and something that um I think as I said I had always argued for targeted vaccination which is that we knew the at-risk group we knew it was co-morbit it is we knew it was
Age we knew it was obesity you target the at-risk group so what were you thinking when you saw the rollout to the whole population it started to go first they did Target it first but then it’s almost as if we’ve got enough vaccines let’s just vaccinate everyone
How how would that decision have been made in the context of the mod it wouldn’t frankly it because it goes back to partly what I was saying earlier that um I I had I I was personally responsible to the Secretary of State of Defense I
Mean he could have overall me but I I wouldn’t have suggested it and there was a separate regulator who would audit the decisions I made and made sure that they were sound and and I don’t I don’t see how that decision to roll out to younger and younger age groups given the evidence
About the risk from covid and the limited data from um trials on the vaccines could have Justified that give us give us an analogy in the context of the military what would be the analogy for what happened with that rollout so you didn’t have enough time to test the munitions
And then once you just decided to give it out and transport it no matter what with no regulations would would that be the equivalent um I can think of two possible ones and not that good I mean it would be in terms of what I had licensed
Something for for emergency use in a particular theater um the the soldiers on the ground would either have to stick to that or and there was a procedure where they could actually take responsibility themselves take it off me and and have it themselves they could effectively do whatever they
Were able to justify through their operational command because I’m you know I’m not there I’m not under Fire um you know they’re the ones in the in the line of fire they need to be able to make you know urgent decisions like that and there was a procedure for doing it
Um the other one might you know in terms of how do you extend the roll out based on limited data um well I suppose you might be able to say well you’ve licensed it for this therefore carrying it in a I don’t know in a in a lorry or
Something might be no worse even if we hadn’t said it was okay I don’t know if it’s thinking about it because the emergency use authorization was probably equivalent to what you said where the soldier in the field could make the decision to do whatever he wanted but it
Was his responsibility if there was a problem is that about accurate No the the temp the temporary authorization what you called emergency use was was the same as what I call the they were called urgent operational requirements we we would um approve those based on limited safety evidence that’s equivalent to Temporary authorization
What I’m saying is that in in the field in in the um theater of operational of operation the um the military chain of command could take responsibility themselves it would be a bit like I suppose mhra giving it temporary authorization and then you a medic in a hospital
Deciding that you’re going to go outside of that hmm yes yes yes this is this is some very I can’t explain how worrying this must be for the general public and this is why I said that at the same time uh the government and the mhr is probably worried that we’re raising these
Questions for the general public to think about because is it one of those situations and if you’ve worked in government there must be some situations where you don’t want the public to know you’re asking someone from the ministry of defense and then this is what it sounds like is
That this is one of those situations where you don’t actually want the public to think about it and you try and see if you can get it sorted out as best as you can is that a fair uh assessment um I can’t think of any instance where I hid stuff no um
There are so many checks and balances that go on in in the military if we just you know let’s keep safety and effectiveness um I said I had an independent safety regulator you know looking over my shoulder and auditing me you know a and so on and so forth what I didn’t say
But you’ve prompted me to do it is the Army had their own regulator who would audit my team for the Army products that we um that we were responsible for and guess what the Navy had a separate regulator who would come on audit and guess what so did the RF we were audited
Um up the yin yang which at the time is very frustrating and annoying because it’s quite a distraction but on the other hand it does make you do the job properly document it properly have a good audit Trail and gives you confidence that what you’re doing is safe
Um I don’t see that with the mhra it did I’ll shift it to one of the questions that was raised and number five you spoke about death uh that’s relying solely on um on so that certification as a measure of the deaths used by vaccination could lead to Circular logic
Um additional methods of surveillance should be employed to accurately capture the true number of vaccine related deaths what what exactly does that mean I think it was implying um I got a copy here um it was implying that um there was a bit of a culture of don’t don’t blame
The covid vaccine don’t link the covert vaccine to the death um so you couldn’t judge um the number of deaths from the covert vaccine by looking at death certificates because certainly initially there weren’t many that mentioned the covert vaccine there were a few and I think that from a practical
Clinical point of view you almost have to be certain that it is the vaccine where there is no other cause for the the death before you would be able to put in um that kind of certification and the truth is that there are very few patients who have no comorbidities that
Would contribute to a death and so therefore you can’t the absolutely certain that it is related to it and therefore you couldn’t therefore do it it’s that kind of as you said that circular discussion which only can be addressed by Big Data and the big data is looking at excess deaths and that
Kind of thing yeah you need both you need all you need as much evidence as you can get from the sort of individual from the individual level right up to the population level and excess deaths is one example of population level data but so is Um um NHS data about um admissions to ICU outpatients etc etc um you know Cardiac Arrest 999 calls Etc how do they correlate with um the role out of the vaccine how are they changing um and you know that’s another observation in the report that the mhra
Don’t seem to be following through on that they promised that that would be a big part of their they called it proactive vigilance in the UK but you know a few questions and a bit of digging on the internet reveal they didn’t follow that through oh and then you can follow it through
And aren’t making it public and that was another question that was raised about the lack of transparency in in terms of the mhra um they’ve been slow to respond to the requests and often applied exemptions what was that like from your own personal point of view uh just annoying
Um it took them eight months that in the people may not know this um in the UK they are supposed to reply to an foi request within 20 working days um if there is a body to whom you can complain if they don’t but they give them 40 working days
Which is a you know a month and maybe two months if you take into account this working days not calendar days it took them eight months to reply to one of my fois which was tell me about the delegations from the Secretary of State down to the mhra and
To the people within the NHRA they just eight months it’s so frustrating wow and so um and when we come I’m just coming towards the conclusion of the report as you can see I encourage people to read it for yourself because it is quite comprehensive and as you said look
At the the evidence rather than it doesn’t matter just study the evidence and see if what they’re saying is true so one of the areas you highlighted in 16-2 the harm done to the vaccine injured and bereaved family members must be recognized is that a personal thing for you or is
That just part of the right what what are your thoughts well of course it’s a personal um aim of mine but it’s not what drove me to contribute to the report um you know there are others who have contributed who do know people who’ve been harmed
And but but my personal point of view is that we we owe it to the people who have suffered as a result of this rollout um to make good the harm that’s been done um you know and you know all all credit to the likes of um Christopher chope and Andrew bridgen and
Um Esther McVeigh and the others who are involved in UK parliament in trying to address that very point and we’re we’re working you know we’re supported um by those um the various groups that are representing those people and collecting signatures and they’re going to deliver them to Downing Street
Next Thursday yes and so is wait to get something done about this is that the together um declaration the open letter to the government yeah uh they’re they’re basically collecting signatures on our behalf and yeah we’re we were working together with them on this
I see so this is for the UK and you need how many um um numbers you need a hundred thousand for this to go no this is a this is a petition that would be delivered to Downing Street we just need as many as we possibly can so anyone who’s watching
In the UK please go on that website um and if you’re as concerned as we think you should be um sign that open letter and it will your your name you can actually be anonymous but it’ll be delivered to Downing streets on Thursday there is also a a petition for a parliamentary
Debate about um calling for an inquiry into um mhra’s licensing of the covert vaccines so um to and and the purpose of that is to get the 100 000 700 000 we need that to have the um parliamentary debate yes and that forces it and so as I think
We’re up to about 30 000 now so you need 70 000 more for those yeah listening anyone who’s watching and and so as as we come to the close Nick um what they’re people as I said across the world who are listening to this imagine yourself in another country
What would you advise them to do because this needs to occur at nation and National levels this is this is there’s no way to do this at an international level it has to be done locally in every single country what do they do I think what they all they can do in the
Short term is ask the questions of their National Regulators you know government um that that we’ve highlighted I think in the long term this isn’t going to be solved unless The Regulators themselves change and or to some you know this is a big part of it as well the influence that
The pharmaceutical industry has over um the the national Regulators um in terms of their you know the the influence they have um they I’m not convinced that every medicine that Pharmaceuticals sell to the NHS is is is actually much good at all um I’ve seen figures where probably a
Third of it and it’s you know overall the risk is the same as the benefit um you might as well not bother with it and it’s that sort of thing which I think we need to get to as well but that’s another story that’s another story so based on your experience and
And this is now I want you to give a solution it’s easy for us to criticize the feelings of say the mhra and so let’s pull back a second and I’m now saying that you know after today’s conversation the government reaches out to you and they say listen Nick if we
Want you to implement A system that will make the mhra as robust as it was in the ministry of Defense what would you then actually do oh I’ve thought about that it’s not that it’s not that difficult in principle um it would be really difficult in you
Know practice to deliver it because it’s a massive change but I would do things like reorganize them so they’re not functional stove pipes between licensing and pharmacovigilance I would make sure that there was an individual responsible for the safety and effectiveness of an individual product or range of products and that
His boss would do routine Safety Management reviews of the products he delegated responsibility for I would make sure they did safety audits I would make sure they have enough manpower we haven’t covered that it’s mentioned in the report I don’t think they have enough manpower I could go on
But at the end of the day they also need a change of culture um and and that sort of thing is is hard to do but in principle the list of things to be done are you know it’s done in other sectors so it can be done in the health sector
As well that is a very very reasonable point and so when you think as your closing point to the general public because your call is to the general public to read the report it’s also a call to the people in leadership position so is the call to the general
Public to put this information in front of their leadership so that they don’t have the excuse of saying they didn’t know yeah absolutely the um the report has been sent to All MPS and peers in in the UK Parliament um we would ask people in the UK to
Write to their constituency MP email them and say Here’s a copy of the report you’ve already got a copy have you read it and what are you gonna do um at the moment there are all most of them are remaining silent even though I suspect many of them are aware and they
Need to be shamed into um doing something not least as you indicated because they can’t say they didn’t know the reports comprehensive it draws all the evidence together excellent excellent so thank you very very much Nick I think this has really been appreciated there are a lot of
People here there have been a lot of comments I can’t necessarily go to to all of the comments that has been going through but I’m hoping that this does what I would want it to do which is to raise one awareness of the report so that people read it and two they take
The next step of challenging their health authorities by putting this in front of the decision makers not just in the UK but I say that this report could be put in front of decision makers whatever country it’s in and is it possible that this can be translated to other languages uh
Uh I did think about that but there’s so much technical language in there and I know from my previous job that translating foreign technical reports into English is very time consuming costly and gets riddled with errors and you have to be very careful so in theory yes in practice very difficult
It probably does need somebody with expertise to put it in there the point being is that that’s an action that everyone can participate in putting the information in front of family friends decision makers politicians make sure everyone reads it and has to come up with a conclusive rebuttal to the
Information or else they should act on it I think that’s probably the lead and that is probably what you hoped would occur from this report yeah I I’d love it if my mp replied and said um well I’ve read it you’re completely wrong I’m not going to do
Anything about it because at the moment he’s just silent thank you again Nick I’ll ask you to hang on with me just for a minute as I do this outro and thank you everyone for watching with us look out for more presentations and look out for some of the Eventbrite
Um presentations that I’m having the next one coming up will be looking at a scientific medical pathological explanation for what could be the cause of some of these clots that embalmers are talking about that should really be interesting but otherwise have a great evening to everyone and look out for
More programs in the next week or so thank you Foreign
