Not a lot of people will talk about but last week he retired he spent three decades inside the justice department starting with local law enforcement then a long career with the ATF he also did assignments with the FBI and the DEA everything for him changed in 2009 he
Was assigned to operation Fast and Furious the ATF gun walking Mission the Obama Administration was all too happy to prop up the narrative that Americans can’t be trusted with guns well today’s guest was The Whistleblower who brought that Scandal to light is he documented what he discovered in
His book The unarmed truth my fight to blow the whistle and expose Fast and Furious if he hadn’t have spoken up at the time the world would never have known and there’s no telling how political Elites what what else they would have tried nobody paid for it but at least it was exposed
But Fast and Furious he now says is only the tip of the iceberg his message is pretty startling uh and one that should concern every single American he were we were talking in a pre-interview and I asked him have you mourned for your country and he said I have
He no longer believes the things he used to he still believes in the oath that he took he still believes in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence but he has lost he feels the country that he grew up in and served for so long because we’re not holding those things sacred anymore
He’s going to talk a little bit about the full-scale total war manipulation of the justice system designed now to just further political agendas and silence opposition he has witnessed firsthand how the government uses fear to get us to do what is against our best interest at every turn they’re breaking the law
In order to enforce it or worse in order to incriminate their enemies today’s guest we asked last week what do people do he said at the time I don’t have an answer but I try to find one he wants people to know that you have power to resist tyranny no matter what
They say you are not a terrorist please welcome American hero John Dodson before we get to John let me just take you back to the day when you could do all the normal things you wanted to do in a day without pain without without looking at things and going yeah I’ll
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Supposed to be oh that’s a good question I can tell you how they tried to sell it to me okay so fast and furious was a investigation into Firearms trafficking that was occurring in Southern Arizona and the firearms that were being traffic were ending up in the hands of the
Mexican drug cartels Fast and Furious was an investigation that was launched out of the newly created doj strike forces at that time and it was to combat that illegal Firearms trafficking I was told this is how we’re going to take down the cartel is by following these guns taking off these
Trafficking networks and ultimately prosecuting you know the Mexican drug cartels the problem is you know it some people say a win array or there are some things that happen that you know weren’t supposed to happen but the way it looked to me and the way
That it was brief to me that it was kind of the plan all along to facilitate the trafficking of these Firearms to the Mexican drug cartels allow them to be used in crime than when they’re traced by the Mexican authorities count those stats to establish that this Firearms
Trafficking was happening and there’s no way you’re going to take down a cartel that’s why it didn’t make sense so so what happened then what what how what made you red pill and say I gotta blow the whistle yeah well it was definitely a red pill moment or uh
Uh come to Jesus moment yeah in lightning I’m trying to think it was like a Mitchell and Webb there’s an old British TV show it’s not that old but they’re dressed in um there pretend to be Nazi soldiers in World War II and the one asked the other
One hey have you ever looked at our uniforms with the skull and crossbones like are we the baddies are we the bad guys here so that was kind of my moment too so what happened was when I first got to and you have to understand a lot
Of things led up to the establishment of the strike force which was a doj run entity so for the first time in my career I was assigned to a task force that was prosecutorial LED and not enforcement-led so it was led by the U.S attorney’s Office not by law enforcement
Normally on a task force you have law enforcement running it you have agents and officers from different jurisdictions that provide different expertise different assets availability things like that this is the first time I’d ever been assigned where one was being run by the US attorney’s office or by a Prosecuting Authority
So and what what is just so people don’t tell me what a strike force is right so Strikeforce was brand new in 2009 they were launched it was funded by doj as an initiative to combat Firearms trafficking and recently also during that time in 2009 Firearms trafficking was added to
What’s called osadef the organized crime drug enforcement task force which used to only be narcotics trafficking and when you can also def a case and you get all these funds that are open to you that you can do wiretaps you can bring in multiple surveillance teams you can
Cross borders easily things like that so in 2009 was the first time Firearms trafficking was allowed to be used to death so doj created these strike forces well and put four of them originally there were four throughout the Southwest border ranging from California to Texas
So one being in Phoenix which is the one I was assigned to and so that’s what a strike force is compared to a task force which is run by cops make cases and then take those to prosecution so the whole point of it was designed to combat Firearms trafficking
Um you also have to understand in 2009 okay so earlier in 2009 the Department of Defense had said the instability along the U.S Southern border caused by the violence created by the Mexican drug cartels is a threat to National Security right so that opens up the floodgates
Once once you declare that then all bets you know all the rules go away about things that you can do so all these other initiatives start to take place so also in 2009 doj and the ATF released um a statistic that says ninety percent of all crime guns in Mexico are U.S
Sourced Firearms they come from the U.S civilian Firearms market and their funnel down south and they’re used in these these horrible crimes that are being happened in Mexico okay wait I want to make sure because they manipulate words all the time yes when it comes from the American Market
Does that mean it’s a gun produced here and sold here and then smuggled across the border what do they mean by that well see that’s part of what I consider to be the okie doke right so they’re they they don’t Define or quantify that enough what they say is 90 of the guns
Recovered in Mexico are U.S Source Firearms well that information comes from the tracing system the only guns that we can successfully Trace are U.S sourced Firearms either they were manufactured here or imported into the U.S those are the only ones we can trace you can’t successfully Trace anything
That was made in you know Pakistan or China or Romania all right so that number should in theory be a hundred percent a hundred percent of the guns successfully traced that are recovered in Mexico so what happens in 2009 when we start this initiative ATF sends people down to
Mexico to start we uh ATF also launches Spanish e-trace and gives them Mexican authorities access to it so they can start tracing all their firearms some at some point in early 2009 mid 2009 I think two compact discs show up at the tracing center from Mexico where
They had gone in and just opened up their vaults and got every manufacturer and serial number of every firearm in the vault and dumped it in the tracing system well that 90 dropped down to like 17 overnight as soon as these guns were put in there so only 17 percent of the guns
In Mexican vaults were coming back to a U.S now I heard that yeah so that totally defeats the argument that 90 of the crime guns in Mexico are U.S Source firearms so then lo and behold a short time later Fast and Furious takes off which is US facilitating coercing the gun dealers
Into cooperating make them do transactions that they knew that they weren’t comfortable doing and expressed their uncomfortableness with it um the reason this kid so that they weren’t stopped by Arizona DPS they weren’t stopped by Customs or ice or yeah I was ice at the time or border
Patrol or anything like that to make sure they got into Mexico and then sit back and wait on the traces now even if you’re doing all that what you’re not telling the American people is and and this is a big part of it say Colt which is a U.S manufacturer cult
Um you know DPMS any of the large major U.S gun suppliers if they do a government-to-government sale which they sell the guns to the U.S government and the government sells them to the Mexican government or provides them to the Mexican government or The Mexican government purchases those Firearms directly from Colt all right
Once they’re in Mexico they’re diverted to the black market used in a crime recovered and traced Cults the manufacturer so even though it says we sold this to the Mexican Government they count that as a U.S sourced firearm and they blame the U.S civilian Firearms market for it so um
Remind America who Brian Terry is so Brian Terry was a border patrol agent Vortec um a very good Agent portac is their version of a SWAT team for a better way to say it um and I never met Brian Taran but Brian Terry I’m sorry but his uh I know his
Family are wonderful people and to hear the way they talk about them I wish I would have known the man so in December of 2009 there’s an incident in a place south of uh Tucson it’s in a town called near um uh Rio Rico it’s called pet Canyon there’s a
Crew of what we refer to as a rip crew it’s a bandit crew armed illegals that come over and they rape Rob and pillage and steal they’re a lot of times one cartel will control this Avenue for drug smuggling so they will dispatch a rip crew to protect their loads then they’ll
Also dispatch a rip crew into another cartel’s area of operations to rob their dope loads going through jeez so Brian Terran is Vortec team are set up in pet Canyon a rip crew comes in shots are fired Brian Terry is killed that night two of the weapons or I think
There are three weapons that are recovered two of them traced back to the Fast and Furious program that we had facilitated the sale and and trafficking and then This Is Where The Red Pill moment really happens where you start to see because ATF knew within hours of the guns being
Recovered that they belonged to the fast furious program or they originated from there so uh then you see the vault door start to shut you know the blast doors go down and uh then they try to cover it up and so it’s you know the whole blowing the
Whistle and everything else that came out after that was trying to get this the truth to light and and let you know the Terry family know what happened to Brian that night when you blew the whistle what was that like it’s it’s funny now because at the time I was so
Naive I guess is the best way to put it and now it’s weird we people who believe in the Constitution and believe in the country I think most of us are truly shocked at these kinds of things we had no idea maybe we were stupid but
We really have no idea you know and I didn’t at the time like I I joined the army when I was 17 still in high school I’ve been under oath to protect and defend this country in this constitution since I was 17. and yes you see you know some things happen that are
Stupid and some things you disagree with but all in all you think okay it’s there for the greater good like it’s yes we have our problems we have our mistakes but everybody does but everybody’s trying to do their best and let’s be honest it’s government so it’s not the
Smartest people in society that gravitate to that line of work um myself included so um so when that happens when I see the way that they’re handling it and they’re trying to cover it up that’s when I realized okay things aren’t the way that I always thought they were you know and it’s
Makes you reflect back on things that you’ve seen in the past you can question that and more importantly it makes you question pretty much everything you hear in the future yeah and um so it was a defining moment for me and my wife and my wife was I gotta tell you
She’s so fascinating because she’s not in law enforcement not in government nothing like that but to see the evolution take place in her too about what she believed her government to be and what it to stand for and things like that and then to where she is now
Knowing that it’s you know it’s Kabuki theater for a better time were you afraid oh yes sir yeah there were there were times where I would when I first blew the whistle so long story short when Congress Congressional investigators called me these were people working for Senator Grassley at the time and um
When they first got a hold of me because I had vocally voiced my objection to the tactic of what we call Gun walking guns and um so I guess they got went to that and contacted me and I told them I said look I’m not gonna do this behind atf’s back
I’m going to do it love board officially so if talking to me is going to hurt your investigation wait to talk to me last and they’re like no it’s not gonna hurt us but we encourage you like you don’t have to say anything and we’ll do everything to protect your identity and
I said no I’ve I’ve been saying this and I’ll continue to say it I’m going to tell them that I told you you know so I told them and then that’s when everything changed for me and uh it got so bad to the point I thought I was
Going to be arrested I thought you know SRT was going to hit my house and I would you know watch SRT our Special Response Team or some FBI HRT or whomever and uh you know I thought I would I could potentially get shot while resisting or uh I used to wait till my
Wife and kids my wife went to work my kids got on the school bus before I would start my car in the morning because every ATF agent knows how to build a bomb and uh this is what I will tell the American people and I’ve said it before when you
Know what your government is capable of that is one thing all right when you know what they’re willing to do with those capabilities that’s when it gets terrifying and yeah it was a scary scary time do you have orders in your home that you
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I don’t know how to exactly ask this question I understand what you just said knowing what your government can do uh knowing what they will do are willing to do um how did that manifest itself I mean how did you come to understand or come to the belief that my car could explode
That’s I mean the only reason I say this I’ve had a I’ve had an experience I don’t need to get in the story but I had an experience where my wife said to me we are living a Jason Bourne movie and a friend of mine when I said come on
This is not and he said he knew government he’s very similar to you and he was like you you really think it only happens in the movies that this is real stuff you’re playing with the big boys yeah um what what how did you get there to
Where you’re like they will do it they’re they’re capable and they’re willing to do it yes well so it I started getting there when all right so during Fast and Furious there were three specific gun dealers for really four in Arizona that were cooperating with us on the investigation
That had identified what we call straw purchaser someone who’s purchasing a firearm for something half of someone else and all four of them had identified the straw purchasers to us and did not want to continue selling them because they knew you know you got a 19 year old kid
Walk in with a Crown Royal bag full of cash and buy 20 AKs there’s something wrong with it the gun dealers know this and my experience over my entire career had been most gun dealers are you know small business owners Patriots like they’re honorable people and so no we
Assured them we’ve got this investigation don’t worry about it we’ve got this you know we’re with the government we’re here to help trust us so then um in December of 2009 I was sitting at the time I had been thrown out of the ATF building for raising so much objection
To it and dispatched over to the uh or signed to the FBI joint terrorism task force so if someone sends me an article from The Washington Post and it’s ATF Personnel all the way up the chain and doj people talking to these two reporters from The Washington Post describing how
The I think it’s called the river of iron it is is mentioned in there which is these Firearms flowing south from Arizona into Mexico wreaking all this habit and they specifically had Trace data which is supposedly law enforcement sensitive that we’re not supposed to release that thing but I had all this
Information you know all the supervisors and and Deputy assistant directors and stuff at headquarters involved and on the record talking about how these four gun dealers in Arizona are par are the problem like oh my gosh and I knew that there’s I knew what the statistics were but I
Also knew why they were so high they were so high because they were doing sales that they didn’t want to do but we had told them to do and then we allowed facilitated those Firearms to be trafficked all the way through and then sat back and waited and formed to be
Used in crime so that we could trace them and then it comes back to the dealer so the entire article is blaming specifically amongst others but these four gun dealers in Arizona as the primary part so then like I start to look around and think they know they
Know this isn’t true they know this isn’t the case like this is completely manufactured against them so that leads to that development of what they’re willing to do and uh so then I blow the whistle and I first talked to Senator grassley’s office and they sent a letter over to
Um then Attorney General Eric Holder and doj responds and categorically deny the allegations they’ve never walked a gun they would never let a gun go that’s I’m an absolute liar it pretty much said you know John dodson’s a wing nut don’t trust anything so then even when that comes out our at
Time director I got information from other agents in other divisions that during Town Hall meetings when asked about it he would make statements like oh this is some disgruntled agent in Phoenix it doesn’t always come out so now I’ve seen my government lie to the media about what’s going on they’ve lied to
Congress about what’s going on and now they’re shooting the messenger they’re coming after me trying to discredit it and so that’s when you start to realize Okay and like you said it’s you know it’s a very big pond and I’m a little tiny fish I mean I’m a lonely
Gs-13 swimming in some very deep Waters out there that I don’t know the rules of and um and then things start to get weird like they start tapping our phones they’re intruding on our computers I’ve got surveillance teams in from out of town watching me following me around
Um I find trackers on my car and so you realize these are things that I can’t do without getting a warrant for or you know a lot of these things and uh and they’re just doing now they’re just flicking switches and it’s happening when Eric Holder refused to go to Congress
That’s pretty much the end of it on it pretty much yeah because congress’s hands was tied he was found in contempt fortunately during all this because at the time um the the Republicans didn’t have the senate or the house but then once the midterms happened and the Republicans took the house
Um Congressman Isa took over in charge of the house oversight and government reform committee and that was the first time that they could issue a subpoena because Senator Grassley was in the minority in the Senate and so he couldn’t his committee he couldn’t issue a subpoena without the chair and the
Chair wasn’t going to do it so uh Isis started doing it and then holder was found in contempt well here’s another thing that people don’t understand about their government when you’re held in contempt of congress all right I know what happens if I get a subpoena or if I
Don’t do it what a judge does to me so all Congress can do is refer that to the U.S attorney for the District of Columbia well how did the U.S attorney for the District of Columbia get their job well they’re nominated by the president well who’s the president of
The time same person that nominated the Attorney General so naturally no prosecution was brought forward how much worse did that make things that they nobody paid a price for this or did it no no one ever some people retired they had their time in no I mean but did it
Make it worse by nobody paying a price did that build their arrogance and like oh we can get away with anything 100 of course and you can tell by things that have happened since then that it’s just embolden them like it’s and actually unfortunately um you know an unintended consequence of
What I did and how I did it which because I used the system like I did we have to take the Whistleblower training every year online you know it’s one of our requirements for our learn ATF training and so I paid attention and I did it the way that you’re supposed to
Do it so they couldn’t come after me in ways that they normally Crush whistleblowers so uh they had to come up with alternative methods and then so now they’ve learned in in different ways to get people and to go after people and that’s why I think whistleblowers in
Today’s time and in today’s environment have a much harder time even as hard as it was for me I think now it’s it’s it’s even hard are there Asian you know here’s the problem I mean I’ve always respected police I’ve always respected the FBI the justice department I know we have problems
But I always trusted them you know right um I I don’t trust them at all anymore and here’s why I believe the corruption is up at the top but I’m losing that Faith because you have hundreds of Agents thousands of Agents all across the country do they not see it
Or are they not willing to stand up or is is the whole system corrupt um the there’s a lot of answers to that so corrupt and there is an element of corruption there’s also I think the bigger element is it’s broken the system is broken
Talk about the FBI for a minute so I remember when I first started in law enforcement the FBI we said joke we considered them the fifth branch of government all right because they existed for one reason that’s the lookout for the FBI whatever they did whatever they did it
Was make sure the FBI comes out smelling like a rose which was frustrating like you couldn’t imagine when you needed something and it they weren’t okay with it but when you what you needed would align with with their goal of you know their PR campaign that was great because
They brought all the assets all the money anything you needed yes they were going to have the press conference but you still took your case to where it needed to go and got the bad guys so fast forward to now right and it that’s not the case at all
I mean the FBI seems to be much more interested in and it’s not just the FBI shouldn’t just single them out but it’s a it’s it’s enforcing a political agenda or you know the the wants and wishes of a certain party and where it started or where the changed happened I’m not sure
And I was like some of those guys to where I didn’t care I didn’t pay attention until I ended up in the situation that I was in you know that red pill moment and um I can tell you I know a lot of FBI guys DEA ATF HSI border patrol
Um those agencies are full of really good men and women that really want to do the job that want to do the right thing now the problem is when when they’re ordered something that’s contrary to that how many of them stand up that’s the troubling figure to me because uh
I I don’t know I would hope that they will have you ever read Christopher Browning’s uh work ordinary men no I’m sorry so it was written I think in the 1950s and it was a study done on the best police force um really most respected in what became the
Eastern Bloc it was polish police force they were good they were effective they were one with the community and the whole book is the research on how did they so quickly become the most vicious killer of their own people right and uh I think it’s something that every
FBI agent and every cop should read because um you might think you’re on the right side right and you can turn and then it all becomes self you know reinforcing to where well we’re doing this as a group right and we’re doing it and and once you
Hit that first bullet make that first you know mistake yeah you’re pretty much in I agree I agree and I think as with Fast and Furious what I saw there was you had these people that were making this argument for this tactic of gunwalking and I’m just sitting
Listening and it doesn’t make any sense and I know that sometimes they struggled with it too but then you have your supervisor and your supervisor supervisor all the way up the chain all the way to headquarters all the way to Maine Justice saying this is great it’s
Exactly what we want keep up the good work so you they start to convince themselves well okay yeah this this is all right like I’m getting accolades for this this is even if I have internal struggles with it this is what I’m supposed to do maybe I’m I’m wrong in my thinking um
You know it’s I think like you’re talking about with the that police force law enforcement in the U.S today whether it’s federal state or local is is it if tyranny is a foot like you are the front line you’re it all right it begins and ends with you
You’re either The Gatekeepers of Freedom or the prison cards of it make your choice remember your oath your oath is not to a party it’s not to a person it’s not to a platform all right it’s to defend and protect the constitute of the US from all enemies foreign and domestic right
Sir do that we trust you to make a life or death decision in a nanosecond right when you pull your weapon out why can’t I trust you when you’re given an order that’s unconstitutional to say you know I’m not going to do that we’ve already had this discussion too I
Mean just following orders is not yeah it’s not defensible we had that discussion in Nuremberg yeah and it’s not defensible um and yet I mean people are so confused by well I mean nobody’s paying attention to the Constitution anyway I mean I I hear the things that are going on with
All the agencies cias absolutely operating within the United States of America right yep okay and is it is it through tricks or are they actually physically in the United States spying on people or whether are we just using foreign spy agencies right or anybody has any contact with anything outside of the U.S
And then that falls from under the patriarch and you can scoop up all that stuff or is it worse I think it’s well I I know it’s worse than than just part of that but I think it’s even worse than anything that I could imagine much less no why do you say that
Because like I say when they I know what in 2009 when they declared the instability along the Mexican border to be a national security issue I saw the gates open for the Intel world right there on that in ways that was never allowed to happen on U.S soil before um and I know
And I’m sorry I had to sign a very lengthy non-disclosure agreement when I retired recently um reminding me that my commitment to classified information was the lifelong commitment um anyway it opened the gates to a number of things that normally or prior to that would have required
A court to review and sign off on a Judicial order now with the establishment of the fisa courts you know those rules changed instantly and um with zero accountability and so I think the intelligence agencies are far more involved in the day-to-day lives of the Americans than what anyone
Is willing to believe just based on the information that’s out there already and the depth of it is probably much deeper than that back to the podcast here in a second I I don’t know exactly how to feel with all of this um let me give you some good news
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Let’s start at the border yeah I I mean I I believe it just through acts of omission maybe not Commission but we are the biggest Ally to the drug cartels now ever with smuggling of drugs smuggling of human trafficking I mean we have we’re just turning a blind side they are
More powerful more much more wealthy than they’ve ever been and we all know that they are trafficking people and we’re not doing anything is this just blindness I I don’t know if it’s blindness or if that’s pure corruption or the system is broken that bad
Um I joke that I think the Mexican drug cartels much must be huge donors to the Democratic party because it’s the only way I can understand certain stances on on migration and illegal immigration so if you cared about these people you talk about these migrants coming over
You know and where they’re coming from and things like that if you honestly cared about them right the first thing you would do is shut the border down and you would revamp our immigration system to allow it to happen legally because right now all you’re doing is you’re
Funneling all these people that they’re just trying to get here and make you know make it to a better world make a better life for their families or things like that and you’re funneling them into the hands of the cartels well where they have to pay coyotes or Smugglers that
You have to pay the cartel to use their smuggling routes like it they don’t just let somebody walk through all right right you have to pay them to do it then if you can’t and if you can’t pay right you owe them you’re kidnapped someone in your family’s got to pay you’re raped
You’re robbed they’ll take everything from you kill you I mean there are so many buddies out there in the desert the average American can’t imagine the cartels have forward operating bases within sight of the Border you can see them at certain areas in the mountains of Southern Arizona like full-on
Hardened forward operating bases where they’re they’re managing their their corridors where they’re keeping track of everything using them as rally points and sending out their detachments doped this way rip cruise this way humans this way and they will orchestrate all these humans to go down into the flats all
These migrants and they’re they’re called give up support calls them gives up they’ll get them just over the border and then the honestly call border patrol and say come pick them up well you’ve got 200 migrants that have just paid the cartel to be transferred over that
They’ve been you know the ransoms even after they’ve paid a lot of times they’re held Ransom in their their families and stuff have to pay more who knows what kind of abuses they’ve suffered they’re taking over the Border turned loose border patrol comes down
They have to deal with 200 of these at a time in the flats meanwhile when all these border patrol come to deal with that in the flats the dope loads go out through the mountains and the rip Crews go up it’s orchestrated and we’re allowing it
To happen by keeping the Border open if you shut it down you do a huge a huge blow to the cartels Money Train instantly the minute you shut it down I saw a number yesterday that they think that we have uh allowed I think the number was 60 000
People with possible Terror ties no I’m sure I’m sure I mean but then again you understand that they claim everything is a terrorism tie now I mean anybody that does anything could end up you know on a watch list or or terrorism so they throw that word around a lot I’m
Not trying to minimize what you’re saying no I know there’s a lot of people from a lot of countries where we should probably know that they’re here right or denied them entry that are making it through the Border um we used to take all the like when um what was it uh
It was Del Rio Texas where they were hit with all the Haitian migrants coming in like how did how did they all get from Haiti how did they come across like somebody’s paying for this to come across through Mexico to get to West Texas and dump that on the border like how does
This happen where’s the funding for this follow the money you have any idea where it’s coming from I have no clue I don’t I wish I did um you know whether it’s the elites the but World economic Forum or anywhere I don’t know but somebody’s paying for it
Somebody with the money to do it and what’s the end game what’s the cause I mean what’s the what are you hoping to achieve by doing so so you look at the chaos that is happening in America uh I know not as well as you but this is the way we overthrow countries
Oh yeah I mean this is what the CIA does and have been doing it for decades right look through Central and South America look through the history of that the Playbook that the CIA used to you know oust the government that wasn’t friendly to the US to establish one that was you
Know you go in you you cause Discord you you know you fund those groups that are going to rise up you’re to separate to divide the populace you know anti-government movements here and you you get everyone on one side or the other or three different sides and you start to destabilize destabilization is
The first part of overthrowing so what is their end goal I mean it they’re playing it is it yeah end of America right if you look at the Playbook I mean that’s where it looks like it’s going you know like we have front row tickets at the end of the Empire I don’t
I don’t know and I don’t know who’s behind it and I don’t know if there is a doctor evil or if it’s just a conspiracy of ignorance or hubris you know you can’t be this wrong for America this many times in a row I know that’s what I
Say I you know my wife and I disagree on not very much but she finds it hard to believe that someone is smart enough to orchestrate such a a conspiracy and um when actually it doesn’t just this time it doesn’t take that many people yeah it just takes the right
People in the right places right and the right amount of money right um and uh the right amount of information and that they you know this this is this is what the Progressive Movement was in the early 20th century it was to progressivism was we like communism we
Just don’t like the blood of a revolution right so we’ll take it step by step well in a hundred years if you have organizations set up to move us in One Direction you don’t need anyone really running it anymore right because they’re all moving in the same direction
So it’s a belief it’s an ideology and here’s the problem how do you fight belief like how do you I don’t know we we didn’t we we did that in the in the Nazi period but we certainly didn’t do it after 9 11. we’re not supposed to talk about belief right
Yeah and you you look at all the vast majority of Germans you know in Germany during World War II pre-World War II and and during were not Nazis but they allowed it they allowed it and are we allowing it to happen I think every day every day we allow our government to
Take a further encroachment to take away another Freedom right every time that we allow them to overstep a new regulation a new executive order I knew this whatever every time we allow it to do it you know Freedom dies a little bit and I don’t think people today I I think my kids
Today don’t live anywhere near as free as we did when we were daddy oh my gosh no and and they don’t they don’t understand that right they don’t get they don’t know um one of the problems we were talking about you know how they label terrorists if you believe in the founding fathers
Believed in God that our documents were divinely inspired um that you know the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence that is the mission statement and the operating manual you’re an extremist oh yeah you’re a terrorist there is every year we have I was talking about the online training that
We had to take doj has a video that we have to watch it’s like 40 some minutes long and it’s produced by the FBI who has a great production facility apparently somewhere in Quantico and it’s called betrayed and if I tell you if anybody can ever fool you fool you it
Or get their hands on put it out there and watch it what it teaches every agent as far as I know every agent in doj has to watch it so I know FBI does I know ATF does I’m pretty sure the marshals and DEA do as well and probably though I cheat
So if you watch it what it tells you is that person in your office in your very office FBI or ATF the person across the cubicle from you that’s using words like Constitution oath right what this country used to be he is an Insider threat and ends up selling you out
That he is the bad guy or she that’s the message of the video so just based on that why doesn’t every FBI agent stand up and say I took an oath I took an oath the word you say is a mark of a terrorist I took an oath to
Defend the number two marking for terrorism the Constitution right why don’t I I don’t know I can tell you I think that for a lot of the younger agents and it starts with it starts with all right first of all hiring practices okay we’re going to go away from hiring
Um prior military prior service prior law enforcement people that you know what’s the word I’m looking for um understand Oaths right understand others or are strong in their decision making maybe that kind of type a kind of thing we want somebody more malleable all right so they go strictly to
Academia and they take in no longer do you need any experience you just need a degree you need and we don’t care what’s in underwater BB stacking right whatever you got a four-year degree come on join the club and then we send them through our Academy where you make them watch
Videos like that which again doesn’t say specifically uh right John mentioned the Constitution he’s a terrorist but if you watch it I’m telling you and I challenge anybody to watch it and not get the same impression yeah the guy in your office that talks about Oath Constitution and
How America used to be better is the bad guy right um so you take these kids that are malleable and don’t know any better have never and like say their freedom they don’t live under the same Freedom that we did so they still think everything’s hunky-dory and then you train them in
This way of thinking before long that small sliver of the population of Asians has grown right and then you bring in schedule B hiring schedule B hiring which isn’t you don’t have to go to GSA anymore and fill out your forms and your application take the test you’re
Nominated by someone in your agency oh my gosh so now you’ve got people of the like mine can nominate other people of like mine and so that population grows so that population that would stand up and say no I’m not going to do this dwindling is dwindling even more and of
Those you have you have a portion of that that says and I’m so close to retirement or is my wife would leave me if I lost my job is there is oh man losing your soul and freedom um is there no way do people like you talk to like-minded people is there a
Way that anybody’s talking and saying we all have to stand up together yes I’ve had that conversation many times and driven by you or driven by others oh no almost entirely driven by me um and and there are a number in agreement of it don’t get me wrong and there are a
Few that are absolutely not and turn around walk away instantly and you know who they are um but like I say that even there’s a lot but hands down the vast majority of the agents that I’ve worked with encompassing all the different agencies are good people that want to do the right thing
Now we may differ on certain beliefs so things like that but I I believe them to believe they’re good people and this is some of this is the problem I’m talking about for they believe themselves righteous in what they’re doing hey I’m told to do it this is good so did the
Polish police I understand and I don’t know how to combat that and I I struggle with that question every day is how do you read read ordinary right why is this so important to me and not right as important to everyone else um and there are many others like me
That feel the same way I don’t want you to think that there aren’t but their numbers are dwindling compared to how it used to be so uh catch it while we can um one of the marks of the Europe on the wrong side is apparently if you speak
Out about George Soros right yes you had to run in with that did you not uh well I I wouldn’t call it a run-in I just figured there was a time where um and I can’t remember where the riots were the Portland or Seattle or something like
That where it came out it was pretty much accepted information that it would have been proven even in the mainstream media that Soros was funding these professional rioters to go to these cities right where you know like pallets full of bricks miraculously in the front of the street the night before and stuff
Like that but he’s paying for these people to go so the definition of terrorism used to be violence or the threatened use of violence to achieve a political goal like that was terrorism so on the terror you know joint terrorism task force I’m like why don’t
We open a case on this this is funding of terrorism this is no different than people smuggling goods or you know cigarette trafficking or whatever counterfeiting to get money to support a terrorist group in another part of the world this is happening here like we
Know this why don’t we open a case on this and it never made it off the conference room table like literally I was laughed out of the room for the most part hearing how close we are to problems real problems um you can either block it out
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Let’s go overseas for a while because you have background in Russia right Russian tactics well I was when I was in the Army I was a trained Military Intelligence analyst specializing in the Soviet Union um until the Soviet Union broke up and then I specialized in what the Army
Called lick low intensity conflict so I want to talk to you about Ukraine okay it seems to me that there’s a good amount of people that really want this war oh yeah uh want it to be World War III and we seem to be marching right into it first let me ask you
Nordstream I know you don’t know but what are your thoughts on Nordstrom I I think we’ve if we didn’t blow it up ourselves we helped helped trained uh assisted that’s an act of War on a fellow NATO member right because it was it was going to Germany
Like you just you weren’t just hurting Russia on that no you’re hurting all of Europe and look what happened to Germany that first year I mean that winter after that when everything so yeah it’s horrible and you’re right there are so many people and as I know when the war first happened when
It first started and um I remember all the reports and I don’t watch a lot of news I catch some headlines and stuff um but I remember my wife and I were talking and I’m thinking you know this is so different than what I learned about how the Soviets would deploy about
How they would act now again they’re not the Soviet Union anymore but Putin is a child of Cold War you know you know uh former case he misses it and I think he’s openly said that yeah he’d like to return it to the Glorious mistake of the 20th century right so
Here in the news reports I was like none of that makes sense none of that makes sense and then I remember the first couple of videos that I saw and one was of a um some innocent man is shot his vehicle shot up by a Russian armored personnel
Carrier two guys go to save them and the dog is there and won’t leave his Dead Master now and it’s you can watch it’s it’s completely scripted like it’s not real at all but there she was on the internet so the news is showing it like it’s real
And then after our first I think it was after our first delivery of Aid to Ukraine um we sent them some man pads so you know man portable air defense and uh they showed video of their first shooting down their first Russian helicopter and you can see it’s on a
Wire like it’s a training video is what it is it’s not it’s it’s staged it’s produced that is not what a helicopter looks like when it crashes I I’ve seen that that’s not it that thing is on a wire going to the ground I’m like this is
Are we wagging the dog I mean is that what’s happening here and then everybody is all in on on this Ukraine war and all the trillions of dollars that we’re spending with zero accountability does anyone have any idea what that money is being spent on at all has anyone asked
The ukrainians show me what you bought with this money so I will tell you that as I did the investigation with my team on the first impeachment of Donald Trump and I think that whole thing was to protect what was happening in Ukraine with the Democratic party in all of the bribery through
Hunter and and all of that stuff but you know we overthrew uh you know several times now we’ve done it uh and Ukraine seems to play a very important role which can only for me be explained as we need a clearing house for dirty money we
Need we need to employ some bad guys to wash some money and where that money goes I don’t know right but just the money that we know we’ve sent over um you know that’s a lot of money that that money would change the world if you’re not paying taxes on it and everything
Else it would change the world um so is is this a are we involved in a a Payback for what Biden and his son were doing uh and because they were involved with all the same people kolamoisky he owns the bank which the bank lost I think it was seven billion
Of our dollars um colomoski is involved with barisma he also was the main backer of the president of Ukraine I mean all of that and then kolomonsky is thrown under the bus and he’s now been kicked out of the country um I I mean I just don’t it’s the same
Players all the same players and I it what’s happening do you think I I don’t I don’t even begin to know the answer that but I can you know yeah is it more continuation of the money laundering or maybe it’s an extortion kind of situation right hey
We know what really happened and uh now it’s time to pay up for it before the war gets it but it’s a it’s what’s happening is not what’s being reported is happening that is one thing I’m sure of and the other thing I’m sure of is ever since Fast and
Furious happened I learned a very valuable lesson which was if your government tells you this is important this is what we need to worry about you probably don’t if your government tells you oh no there’s no reason to don’t look over here that’s what you need to pay
Attention to all right and unfortunately this is the world that we live in now and this is what I don’t think any vast majority of Americans don’t understand you cannot trust your government your government is not here to serve you anymore all right what percentage do you think
Is the the these agencies engaged in protecting our rights versus doing stuff that violate our rights what is the percentage well again I don’t I don’t want to talk about the individual people or agents because the ones that I worked with I mean I know are good administrative
State from up at the top I think the entire government is involved in it it’s a total war kind of Doctrine right what’s Total War so when I was in the in the military the deal was it’s total war you got to win the sea the air the land
Right the intelligence the media the information everything you gotta you gotta bring everything to bear on it so I think that’s what’s happening now it’s law enforcement is is becoming you know put in the bag even you know the Department of Labor only puts out you know good information for one sitting
President and bad information for another the FED does one thing one way for one president the courts are so politicalized politicized now like judges used to it didn’t matter what party or who nominated them they ruled on matters of law in the Constitution now anything hits the Supreme Court
They’re what zero odds on who’s going to vote which way because you know what’s going to happen um so everything has been politicized and it’s all part of this machine it’s a total war kind of concept which to take it all you know control the information control the enforcement
That’s where the law enforcement come in the military um the money the fed the economy everything is just is it being attacked anything’s fixable the manner means to do it may not what it might ultimately take to do it is uh it’s pretty frightening you know I mean I don’t know
How you fix it and judge I am not here advocating for anything other than the American people need to know know what’s going on and I would encourage you to to strengthen your smaller communities your local communities all right that’s where your vote counts that’s what’s important it should not matter to you
One way or the other who’s in the white house like that shouldn’t affect your day-to-day life the way our constitution is drafted and the way our country is set up it has a very limited role a very limited role who’s in your Governor’s Mansion matters right who’s in your
Border supervisors or your city council your school boards social Sheriff zoning all of these things these are important get to know the people in your community you know get to know them vote in those take power back from this giant self-licking ice cream cone that is the federal government because it’s not
There for you it’s there for itself right just it enjoys itself and we sit back and watch and all we get to do is pay for it take that power away give it back to the states don’t vote for any candidate that is not going to tell you
I’m going to take power away from the federal government give back to the state and the important thing about that is what’s good for California is good for California amen what’s good for North Carolina is good for North Carolina it doesn’t have to be the same that is a Democratic Republic that’s
What our country is based on you know and your vote counts in those instances so um there’s a debate going on now and it’s really about balkanization everything that is being done to us is to divide you divide you conquer yes um however there there is a line of thought that says
You know if I live in New York that thing is so far gone and I probably should get out of there because if there ever is a a gate closing you are where you are right um and places like Texas or Florida is having such an influx of Arizona as well
Yeah but from the Pacific Northwest in California and we are we are going to lose those places if we don’t gather together but that’s balkanization too what what where do you have any thoughts on this I mean I I have opinions about it but I don’t know how to fix it because in
Arizona we saw it happening all these people from California would sell their houses for cash you know their small little house for 900 000 million dollars whatever come to Arizona to Tucson and buy a big house and pay cash for that and so young families and and things
Like that are trying to buy a house or get in their first house can’t because prices have gone through the roof and every time somebody puts their house on a Market within two hours they get a cash offer for 10 more than asking price so Arizona’s can’t buy houses in Arizona
Is the way it was happening so all of these you know California Pacific Northwest and other regions and stuff too they they come in and then for some reason they start voting for the same stuff that they voted for there and expecting a different outcome I guess that whatever happened there that
Taxed them out or raised their property values they come here and it’s the definition of insanity right you do the same thing over and expect different results so one of the things I think they’re trying to teach us is don’t gather don’t Gathering groups it’s not 100 yeah
They don’t want you to that’s and covet played a big part in that can’t go outside can’t go to the beach don’t talk they ain’t talking to people is dangerous and fear fear is the biggest part of this and they’re using fear to drive home these messages and to
Separate and to divide and to conquerors and every time they get us scared enough they can take away another right they can take away another Freedom right but that’s why I say get involved in your community in your local community right right strengthen the local community and
Take that power away from the Fed you say the DEA is the number one money launderer in the what does that mean well and they do it on the auspice and talking about like in relation to the Fast and Furious in order to combat illegal Firearms trafficking to the Mexican drug cartels
We were legally trafficking Firearms to the Mexican drug cartels so in order to combat money laundering you know by the drug traffickers the DEA has devised the best way to investigate that is to actually launder money itself um you know it’s like when I’ve mentioned a cigarette trafficking case from years
Ago and ATF used to be much more involved in that stuff so cigarette trafficking is where you go to a state and you buy cigarettes at low tax right take them to a state and sell them that’s much higher tax so from like Virginia you could buy twenty thousand dollars
Worth of cigarettes put it in a Jeep Cherokee drive to New York City and sell it for almost 40. in a day you know um so it was always said that this you know every time you see this happening you hear oh it’s funding terrorism it’s a funding terrorist case
So you let it go on for a year while you’re making this case and you’re thinking well how much money did we fund terrorists over this year instead of just shutting it down so that’s my point about the da and the money launder like how much money are you laundering to
Make a money laundering case if it’s that if it’s so hard to launder money undetectably why are you doing so much of it in order to make a case for it right so um let me take you to January 6th and I know you weren’t there right um I was not there uh
Uh you weren’t there so you don’t you don’t know for sure but you know the tactics yes I remember January fourth fifth and sixth I was on the air saying don’t go don’t go this just reeks of trouble right um because everybody’s emotions are so high and if you don’t know who you’re
Standing next to you can be standing next to anybody that has a very different view of how the day should end um and uh people went lots of people went I think this is my view on the sixth and forever is I think there were bad actors
Who do kind of want to overthrow the government um I I think there probably were a few people there that wouldn’t have mind killing you know somebody like Mike Pence I don’t know but I saw the way they were breaking in to the you know they were they looked more like antifa
Than a tea party or Trump supporter however I don’t know but I also think the vast majority that was there was not trouble right um and we have we have now seen the largest investigation in Manhunt in American history and they’ve just said they’re going to go for another 2 000 the people
Meanwhile we can’t find the guy on the scaffolding we can’t find the guy who we have full shots of their face we have them on video talking on a phone right and yet we can’t seem to find them Ray apps I don’t know who that guy is
But I know that there was more video of him saying we gotta take over we gotta go get him then the guy who just got 22 years right who wasn’t even there who wasn’t there if I understand it correctly yeah that leads to conspiracy theories because that’s all
You have at this point you don’t have the facts right it can quickly go from conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact if you watch the videotape which you’re not allowed to do right um if you if you ask the doj how many agents did you have there how many were
There anybody from the CIA or anything else there you’ve been undercover in large crowds yes that’s common places and not oh yeah any doubt in your mind that there were lots of people on the ground that day no no whatsoever it’s standard practice whenever you have a large Gathering like
That you have Undercovers in the crowd that walk around keep their eyes and ears open they’re in contact with uniform or you know through a command center and when you have someone that’s an agitator or someone that’s that’s you know stoked in the fire then you make
Contact with them and you say hey pull this guy out like he’s this person’s causing something we need to calm the situation down and so a couple uniforms come in grab that person out of the crowd and take them away detain them just remove them from the from the
Incident so things don’t you don’t allow them deskly and um I mean it’s it’s it’s what we do it’s what we’ve done you’ve got to figure I was a police officer in Northern Virginia right outside of DC for 11 years so um we had to do it all the time not all
The time but pretty frequently because I was in Vice narcotics or once I got into Vice narcotics we were the undercover guys so we got sent not only to protest and to rallies but concerts sporting events stuff like you keep us in there and you’re always looking for somebody
That’s agitating and you that’s how you it’s how you deal with that well America does not know that I don’t think that’s I didn’t think that was a big secret like course anywhere you go like a lot of times out of 10 you can spot the cop anyway especially if
He’s an agent he’s got the you know the khaki pants with the cargo pockets and the you know okay so what you saw knowing that there had to be people there knowing now that they had the information in advance that something something was coming and they didn’t pass it on kicking up
The food chain were any of the standard practices did you see anything that you were like okay that’s what we do yeah I wasn’t like I say I wasn’t there I wasn’t in the Weeds on it I have no idea what briefings took place ahead of time and what didn’t um
But from what I I have seen on certain videos that are out there and and what I know about it now I find it difficult to imagine how a crowd that large was anticipated and more precautions weren’t taken and there weren’t people in the crowd and there weren’t you know teams readily available
To deal with it you I mean you know DC MPD Metropolitan Police Department used to handle all the riots like everything that went to how many riots you know happened in DC and this was years ago decades ago yes but they are the ones that learned the lessons
The hard way on how to deal with that stuff for them I mean for it to just be forgotten for that event is Troublesome I I don’t understand how it would have happened um and I understand the conspiracy theories and I don’t have answers to them one way
Or the other but I know it doesn’t either there’s a lot of questions out there that need to be answered and it doesn’t seem like it would be too hard to answer them um let me ask you you know I just talked about the people whose faces we have we
Have them on videotape really being leaders and preparing areas and saying go in here go in here um they’ve never been on an FBI wanted list um they’ve never been questioned and when we question and say why haven’t you look for this guy why isn’t they why
Aren’t they at least on an FBI Most Wanted list right um and how come you can’t find it after they tell us about how they can triangulate everything right or a person of interest right and you know I just saw one guy was just identified they said because his ears were a little
Different and that’s how they found him in Oklahoma his ears were different um how is it that we’re not finding these people is that do you think that’s we have full pictures of them and some of them on their phone talking to people is there is is there a
Way that you how do they not find Whitey Bulger for 20 years or however long it was I I don’t know what I can tell you is I mean obviously I think if they wanted to find a bad enough they could find them especially if their technology is what they say it
Is and how easy it is to pick people out of a crowd um you believe that that it is that it’s that good yeah um if it is they’re using stuff that I never had they got their they have assets from other three letter agencies because nothing we ever had would do
Stuff like that um yeah it’s there’s so many questions that are involved with that and it’s you’re a t f and E Andy retired uh right um e is for explosives yes pipe bomb can you can you fill me in on how how how have we not found the pipe bomb people
Yeah I don’t know because that’s kind of our expertise um right what we like we can trace components of of every bomb and uh what would you look if you had that pipe bomb what could you tell well you look at everything once you get the lab
Reports for you know the kind of explosive or powder that was used in it and that can narrow it down your search rate it’s like what you’re looking for um what kind of caps they are they have lot numbers on them a lot of times so the manufacturers can tell you what
Stores they were sent to and sold in um there’s a number of different things some things I don’t get too specific in because we want to keep being able to find them um but I think there’s very few instances where we haven’t been able to run down
At least some really good leads on where bomb was manufactured or where its components were at least purchased when and where and that can help you how close are we I I believe we’re maybe one major event away and it scares the hell out of me how close are we to a
A police state um I think we get closer every day and we’re closer now than we’ve ever been in my lifetime um and I don’t think it’s going to take much it’s I when covet happened and the lockdowns and the mandates and I could not believe that America’s Americans fell in line
That way I can’t believe it either that we’re so um stricken by fear over these things now and so maybe our country was built on you know crossing the mountains right and for us to just huddle down like that shocking yeah and terrifying and but I
Realized when they did it and the steps that the federal government took and some state governments and then I thought okay it’s only a matter of time before another scare happens and is that you know reasoning behind the war in Ukraine you know that they’ve the Russians are oh they’re talking
About using nukes now Putin’s mad mad a Madman if he doesn’t stop at Ukraine he’s going to take all of Germany Meanwhile we’re moving nukes back into London right into England right which they he said I’ll take that as a major escalation if you do that yes and if you
Know and and actually a lot of the things that happened prior to their invasion was you know based upon deals that we had Putin had clearly said these are the things that I don’t want the U.S said okay and then we started doing them anyway so it’s you know it’s that moment
Like are we the baddies here what are we doing and why are we trying to do it so how close are we to the police state I think we’re probably closer than most people realize and these indictments the issues on January 6 the current indictments and things you have a a
Percentage of this population whether you agree with them or not that feel like they aren’t being hurt that their voice doesn’t matter okay that they’re not being represented by their government that they’re not cared for and now on top of that you are going to declare them essentially terrorists
Change the definition of insurrection apply that to them and and persecute them so it’s like you and whoever is doing this who needs to understand that look you can a man that feels like he has nothing less left feels like he has nothing left to lose right you can only
Push people so far I think they do know that and do and that’s the question is that the point you know and it’s you know where is it at I don’t know this is why I say I think the most important thing that we can do when I
Was talking to your producer he asked me well what what does an individual do to try to help and if I got blindsided because I I didn’t think there was anything but I’ve been thinking about it and thinking about it and the best that I can come up
With is like I said just strengthen your community you know your small community strengthen that take that power away and by all means if you have to and I’m not advocating for anything but be ready to defend it you know yourself your family your community yeah not I I don’t agree
With saying get them right no but protect and defend right protect and defend strengthen your community and be ready to protect and defend it I just got to say about January 6 real quick of the few videos that I’ve seen on that there’s one where this guy’s like a
Cameraman but he’s got a helmet on and a vest and stuff like that and he’s screaming at the other people he’s telling them oh you know you guys better telling the cops you better be careful this thing’s gonna explode I’ve been I’ve been a bunch of riots this is like
My fifth or sixth Riot you this thing’s gonna get bad it’s going to get ugly so how many riots have you been in I’ve not been in it I’ve never been in any either like how does this guy end up at five or six riots when he’s 22 years old unless
You know about him ahead of time which would fall under a RICO Act would it not I would think so yes and I would like to look into how he afforded to get there or I could afford to get there do you think I mean
If I’m on the wrong side of this and I’m high up in Justice I know what not to look for right because I know how the game’s being played yeah last question yes Donald Trump most investigated person I believe in the history of the world there isn’t
An the five eyes all looked into him at least China looked into every Doug Doug every major um institution in the media all around the world Doug every day every day I I’ve told him I’m shocked I’m shocked I lived in New York City I watched how fast buildings went
Up I thought for sure there was going to be like hey so you know maybe we take care of some things you know I really thought there would be something right nothing nothing what what is the plan here do you think watching the government the they are
Rushing to a trial with 12 million documents that the defense has to go through it has to start in March the day before super Tuesday yesterday and the first day they said the prosecution said it’ll take us at least four months the judge said it’s going to be an eight-month trial which
Takes you to the end of October right the president will testify he has to be there so he got him there then they’re trying to take the 14th Amendment and say he was part of this insurrection and Colorado is now trying to take him off of the ballot and several it won’t
Be the last one for people who love democracy and are always standing up for the votes got to be heard I can’t imagine how this works out well for anyone unless you’re an agent of Chaos right agreed I I don’t I don’t see how it does either unless it’s
Because I say that portion of the population not only are you going to do all that to them and make them feel insignificant unheard unrepresented in their votes don’t count but now you’re going to take away who they feel is the person that can change things for them all right and um
I think it’s a powder keg and I think it has the potential to explode very ugly and um I don’t see anything good coming from it unless you’re the Agent of Change like see what change you’re trying to seek I don’t know right never seems to be clear
What I’ve thought about is you know if if the whole indictments in different jurisdictions and the rest of Trials are just trying to get him convicted of a felony to disbar him from being president right and uh that in and of itself is horrible enough but you know
If it’s something even more grandiose I don’t know like these are this is a strange new world for me I know I’ve never seen anything like this and I I’m trying to wrap my brain around events you know as they happen and uh remember I’m just a little gs-13 so sometimes I
Know yeah and I know we’ve talked speculation right on a few things the one thing I I didn’t ask you about and I don’t know if you have an opinion I know you don’t have any facts on it come on Jeffrey Epstein was a spy of
Some sort wasn’t he I mean weren’t we engaged in I mean that just seems like you know what we did to the Germans you know just get them on sex and honey hold them yeah yeah honey hold them and you control everybody yeah and uh nobody seems to even talk about
His little black books right that or the videotapes who would have those where where where should those be EP oh I don’t even know they should be in whatever agency I guess officially handed his arrest handled his arrest that was the bureau right yeah that was FBI yeah
Um you know they’re very efficient and they’re evidence logging you would think that’s where they should be uh yeah the whole Epstein thing is a deep dark hole that no pun intended but you’re you know that I’m trying to understand and figure out it’s not what’s being reported it’s not
What it is on its face there’s much more to it than that and um there has to be you know and I don’t want to get Epstein for talking about it right yeah it is but I mean what I’m curious on the the reason why I’m curious about the tapes and the book
Over right you have that information that that information should not be in one person or a team of people’s hands right that is extraordinary power all right any confidence that it’s not being used yeah I have confidence that it’s not being used in that the fact that the
People that it hurts the most are in control of it maybe that’s the case why it’s not being used I would almost argue that it would be a better state of the world if a Hoover SB FBI had it right and leveraged it against everybody would be better than the people that
Were directly involved having it by now having access to and then it’s so that implies that people in the government were involved in that no I mean I think so that’s merely my opinion but I I don’t think I don’t think that stuff happens with the names that have been floated around there
Without government involvement and again it’s the it’s the government like it is so huge and it is so powerful and it has ultimately zero accountability not American people think that there’s accountability there is none there are so many black budgets and black projects and then even when there is a hearing I
Used to think testifying before Congress was it like because I remember the whole Ali North moment you know that that was the end-all be-all and then you get to a congressional investigation I haven’t find myself in one and ultimately you know they try but it’s they did their best
But there’s no enforcement there’s no teeth in that bar and uh you know I used to tell I used to tell people when I arrested them you know trying to get a statement look it’s a rigged ball game by the time you see me my case is done all right
I’ve already got you I’ve got all the evidence I need I don’t need you to say anything okay it’s fixed in the aspect of not that I did anything wrong but it’s I’ve done my job and I’ve done it well all right I’m not one of those
Agencies or cops that comes here and says oh you know it’s not TV where I gotta break them it’s got to be a confession it’s my job is done and it’s already it’s fixed but now you realize oh the entire government is a rig ball game like it’s
Fixed it’s it’s the image of checks and balances anymore when in reality it’s all looking out for itself it’s so parasitically infested with you know different interest in lobbyists and I know it took us a long time to get there but when you were first getting in
Do you think it was as bad as it is now well see that’s a good question and I don’t know the answer to that all I can tell you is my stupidity or naivete was so much back then that I didn’t pay attention yeah and um that’s what I would like to do
More than anything is to get people to pay attention start paying attention you know start asking yourselves hey wait a minute this is what I wanted to do should I do this like is this the right thing is this serving and protecting especially cops and agents you know and
Then military and every every facet of society right ask yourselves read the Constitution read the oath of office that your you know federal employees that are sworn have to take and see if they’re abiding by it right hold them accountable if they’re not know what it is know what the
Constitution says know the the reasons for the declaration independence they lay it out in there pretty clearly I know I said last question two questions ago but I have to ask you five USC 3331 your T-shirt what is that that is the U.S code section that codifies the oath of office for federal
Agents and federal employees that are sworn so if you are not protecting and defending your violation of of that code yep and I encourage anyone to look it up and to read it and know it and hold those people that are held to that oath that are under that oath
Accountable to it and I encourage the people that are have taken that oath to take it seriously it means something all right thank you well thank you I appreciate the time
