Are it makes us ask questions like where are we what are what is our purpose this planet is so amazing just floating in space how did this all happen now imagine you’re an astrophysicist and Starry kns are your business don’t you think all of that time looking at the cosmos may may may
Just make you ask a question or two about how we all ended up on this big rock today my guest is an astrophysicist who has spent his whole life looking at the sky not so surprising that’s where he found God looking right back down on him
Since then he’s been on a mission to rebuild the bridge between faith and reason faith and science we’re together today today because of an a potentially explosive topic I I just want to find out how the Earth was created no big deal welcome astrophysicist Dr Hugh
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Took us to the Vancouver Public Library I wound up getting a card I brought home five books on physics and astronomy that day wow and every weekend that’s what I would do I would go to the library and get another five books so uh and every year I would study a different
Subdiscipline of astronomy so one year was Stellar atmospheres another one was Stellar Interiors Galaxy formation at age 16 I devoted that year to studying cosmology the science of the origin and history of the universe and that’s when there is a major debate is a steady state is it an oscillating universe or
Reincarnating Universe hesitating universe or big bang but I could see that the observations are heavily favoring the Big Bang so hang on just a sec um cosmology that is Step Hawking and Carl Sean as well aren’t then they weren’t they cosmologists uh they were theoretical cosmologists okay so what’s
The difference between theoretical and what you were doing uh what I was doing was actually doing the observations uh of the distant universe that the theoreticians used to develop their models okay okay and I did a little bit of theory work myself so yeah so when you started studying this what happened
Well when I realized that the evidence was heavily favoring the big bang I said that means the universe has a beginning if the universe has a beginning there must be a cosmic beginner I want to find that Cosmic beginner I had no idea where to look I mean I wasn’t raised in a
Christian home there weren’t Christians in our neighborhood they’re hard to find in Canada yeah so I tell you my father when I asked my dad I was young dad I want to talk about God with you um and uh he said okay but first thing we have
To do is get rid of the word god because it means too many things has too many traps around it I can talk about God and you’ll have a different view than me so let’s agree on terms he said I think we should call him first cause and well that’s what’s interesting
I spoke at a government lab and the director says look this is US Government you can’t use the word God here and I said I don’t see that in the Constitution yeah but I said how about this how about if I talk about the causal agent beyond space and time
Correct that created the universe designed it for human beings right he says yeah you can do that well it it’s but it’s true cuz his first question was do you believe in the Big Bang and I said I think so and he said uh does that
Disagree with God or help proof God and I said I don’t know I mean I was a teenager I I’m not sure and he said what was it before and what lit the match yes and uh so I I started looking in the great philosophers Emanuel K critique of
Pure reason I looked reny de cart discovered that they didn’t have the correct concepts of the universe or space and time and I went to a high school it was filled with refugees from all over the world and so they were saying hey you need to read these books
Hindu vas the Quran the Buddhist commentaries so I began to go through them and I read the vas says oh this is where the oscillating un model comes from you know Hinduism is based on reincarnation that the universe reincarnates but I knew that their time scale was incorrect they said you get a
New birth every 4.32 billion years and that number clearly was wrong I also realize the universe had way too high of an enty measure to allow for any kind of restart and the Buddhist said essentially the same thing uh when I looked at the Quran it says there’s
Three accounts of creation but they contradict one another one of them claiming that the planets are more distant than the Stars you don’t need a telescope to realize that’s incorrect uh now I didn’t meet Christians or get to know them until I showed up at keltech to do post-dural
Research but I did see two Christians from 30 ft away when I was 11 years old these were two businessmen that came into our public school and made available Gideon Bibles this is the Gideon Bible that I started reading at age 17 so the cover’s gone because our dog chewed it off
So but I started reading that Gideon Bible at age 17 and that was also the same time that physicists in South Africa and Britain were developing the first of the space-time theorems which basically prove that space and time have a beginning space and time are created
And what I notice about the Bible is that it stood alone in making a claim that space and time or created entities what I saw in the Eastern religions space and time are Eternal and God are God’s create within space and time that always exists so seeing that that the
Bible said something different that was being affirmed by the space-time theorems said maybe this book really is from the one who created the universe so can you take me through Genesis and the creation and show me the science well um I was taught this scientific method in grade 1 grade two
Grade three we got it all 12 years and so when I picked up this uh book uh the Bible I looked at the first page Genesis 1 it said this perfectly follows the scientific method it took me N9 years to discover why it’s so perfectly follow the scientific method that’s where it
Comes from comes from the creation text in the Bible and Reformation theology uh but I looked at uh you know uh Genesis 1:2 the spirit of God is hovering over the surface of the Waters of planet Earth then it gives you four initial conditions as dark everywhere in
The surface the water is everywhere and the planet Earth is unfit for life and empty of life well steps one and two of the scientific method are do not interpret until you establish the frame of reference the point of view is a surface of Earth’s waters and don’t
Interpret to also establish the starting conditions what’s all laid out in Genesis 1 too and I keep running into scientists who say Genesis teaches scientific nonsense I said well Galileo said the biggest mistake you can make in Bible interpretation is to get the wrong point of view and when they say it’s
Scientific nonsense they think God is above the Earth looking down on the earth and telling us what he did instead it’s God on the surface of the Earth looking up at the clouds and telling us what he did makes a huge difference in how you interpr interpret the six days
Of creation and so but yeah nobody was helping on me on this I just saw this in the text I said okay at 18 17 17 yeah so so I said okay uh Creation Day One let there be light and I said well that’s when the atmosphere goes from opaque to
Translucent uh I knew enough about astronomy to realize Earth had to begin with an atmosphere 200 times thicker than it has today an atmosphere that thick will not let any visible light through the sun and stars existed but there was no light on the surface of the
Waters of planet Earth Day one is when the atmosphere was thinned out sufficiently that light could come through and it says the spirit of God was brooding over the surface of the waters that implies the origin of life so I saw life being originated the beginning of Creation Day one and then
You go into creation day two water above and water below I really didn’t have an idea what that meant uh but when I got to the Book of Job it devotes one and a half chapters to Creation Day two and basically describes it as God’s cycling water in the atmosphere above to the
Streams and lakes and oceans below and then back again oh my gosh and actually describes six distinct forms of precipitation in job 37 and 38 and mentions for example that there will be uh Dew and mist and rain and then snow and Frost and hail and again I
Had enough science under my belt to realize that’s the only way you can have billions of people living on the surface of the Earth because the Earth’s water cycle is designed to ensure no matter where you are there’s both Frozen forms of precipitation and liquid forms so we
Can have rivers and streams that follow all years round and we have abundant food that can be grown everywhere you need all six to make that possible and you get into creation day three and this is when land masses show up for the first time when God transforms the Earth
From a water world uh to one with continents and oceans and uh at 19 I got to take a course on plate tectonics as far as I know it’s the first course in the world that was taught on plate tectonics at a university that’s because two of the three physicists who launched the
Discipline were at the University of British Columbia somehow I managed to get into that class as an undergraduate and that’s when they said oh the continents haven’t always been here it’s plate tectonics of builds of the continents and they thought it was a linear relationship from zero to where it is
Today today we know that it takes uh deep oxygen cycle events to really accelerate the growth of the con of the land masses and so in 2018 they basically showed yeah for about the first billion years uh you got nothing but water and then plate tectonics kicks
In uh but at the first great oxygenation event 2 and a half billion years ago about 90% of the Continental land mass Farms wow and so basically it shows that the more we learn about the past history of the Earth the Tighter and Tighter fit we get with what the Bible taught about
These land masses thousands of years ago and then it talks about uh vegetation on the land masses and I’ve debated the executive director of the skeptic Society four times in University campuses he always jumped on Genesis no matter what we were talking about uh and because he saw that as the Achilles heel
The Christian faith so he’d always say well the fossil record shows us we got animals before we got vegetation on the continents I say well obviously animals have skeletons and shells that’s going to be easily preserved that’s not the case of vegetation is going to Decay but what happened in 2009 and
2011 two papers were published in nature saying we now have the isotope evidence and in 2011 the fossil evidence that vegetation was abundant on the Continental land masses 600 million years before the first animals show up so again it shows Haze we learned more uh it basically gives you a Tighter and
Tighter fit what would they have eaten if there was no vegetation if there was no well I think Michael Shermer was saying yeah there would been vegetation in the oceans but the biblical text says vegetation on the land masses and said we have no fossil evidence of that well
We didn’t during my first debate but we do now we do have that evidence and then uh Creation Day four is when uh creatures on the surface of the Earth for the first time can see the sun moon and stars and we now know the Second Great oxygenation event turned Earth’s
Atmosphere from a dense Haze to transparent it’s oxygen that determines how transparent the atmosphere is and so experiment was done where they took the atmosphere of the earth started with less than 1% oxygen and pushed it up while the Second Great oxygenation event the oxygen level suddenly goes from 2%
To 8% for the first time time in Earth’s history that’s enough to make the atmosphere transparent unbelievable that’s exactly the same time that the first animals appear animals can’t function if they don’t know where the sun moon and stars are in the sky they need a transparent sky but we see in the
Fossil record the very moment oxygen hit that minimum level for animals animals suddenly appear you go from nothing but microbial life to animals as big as 2 m across and then in creation day five you also have God creating the sea mammals and the birds only the second time it
Uses the word create the word create in Hebrew baras for something brand new at God’s hand and what was brand new was animals that are not just physical but solish and that they have mind will and emotions a capacity to form relationships with one another their offspring they sacrifice for The
Offspring they also endow with a capacity to form relationships with a higher species namely as human beings and to serve and please us then you get into Creation Day six it doesn’t talk about the first land mammals it talks about the three categories of land mammals that are essential for launching
Human civilization and job 38-39 goes into that in great detail U and the short-legged land mammals the rodents that we need for the clothing that humans were critically entered upon when they first appeared cuz we humans unlike the Neanderthals right are not adapted for a cold climate
We’re fine in a warm climate but not a cold climate the rodents enabled us to go into cold climate zones and two different kinds of long-legged land mammals those that are easy to tame the herbivores we use for agriculture those that are difficult to tame the carnivores that we use for household
Companions and last of all God creates human beings and only the Third time does it use the word create because what’s brand new about us we’re not just physical and solish we’re spiritual as these birds and mammals were designed to relate to a higher species we are
Designed to relate to a higher being the one that created everything first of all that’s the best explanation of Genesis I’ve ever heard I love that um the um let me go back where would the dinosaurs come in well the Bible uh is written for all gener ations
So it avoids vocabulary that only modern Generations would understand yeah so it doesn’t mention dinosaurs cuz they weren’t discovered until the 1850s it doesn’t mention protons or neutrinos either but yeah it doesn’t mean that they didn’t exist they would have fit in in the middle of Creation Day five and
Where you see them implied as Psalm 104 the longest of the creation Psalms and Psalm 104’s theme is that God is packing our planet with as much life as possible and as diverse as possible and so when our planet has conditions suitable for dinosaurs he creates a dinosaurs they’re
Not suitable now because we don’t have shallow Seas to provide the water buoyancy that these huge creatures need but when the condal land masses were filled with vast shallow Seas there you got the water buyy to make possible animals as big as T-Rex and Brontosaurus I mean I laughed at the giraff Jurassic
Park movies cuz it shows this T-Rex on land chasing a Jeep at 45 M hour it wouldn’t have happened the T-Rex would have injured itself one little trip and it’s gone the has no hands to do this well the biggest land animal you can have without water support is an elephant anything bigger
Than an elephant is going to uh injure itself because of the law of gravity it’s the same law you see in the NBA really tall basketball players when they trip and fall they do themselves a lot more injury than someone who’s only 5T tall you know gravity always wins so
I’ve never seen that even portrayed with dinosaurs that they’re always around water well uh the ones that are waiting 80 tons they need water buoyancy to support that huge body mass T-Rex was probably I mean it was long-legged T-Rex was probably swimming around in Shallow seas and praying on you know huge
Herbivores I mean wow with those giant Jaws it wasn’t eating small creatures like lawyers it was eating something bigger than a lawyer um so the other thing and I I just I I want to say this because there’s a lot of people that have different views of creation and
Everything else I personally don’t think how God created the universe is essential to my salvation so and I don’t know and you don’t know but we’re that’s who creates that essential yes so when and well that’s that’s less important because I have some friends who claim no
The Earth is only you know five or 10,000 years old and you’re like dude that doesn’t I mean no why couldn’t God’s creation happen um I don’t want to say in an evolution well you say it’s a progressive creationism right well I claim that God performs creation miracles
He uses the word bar and AA in the Hebrew that means that God is supernaturally intervening sometimes it uses the word ha which means it could be through natural process so it’s not either or it’s both and right so but it is over a significant passage at time in
Fact just reading the Bible on my own at age 17 I immediately recognize these days have to be long time periods sure for the simple reason that you see the word day uh being used with three different definitions Creation Day One it uses the word day for the daylight
Hours Creation Day four it’s contrasting Seasons days and years that’s day as 24 hours but Genesis 2:4 uses the same word day for the entirety of creation history the other thing I noted is that the first six days end with an evening morning phrase evening was morning was
Day x which told me each day has a definite start time and a definite end time you get to day seven there’s no evening morning phrase implying we’re still in God’s seventh day and both Psalm 95 and Hebrews 4 explicitly declare we still in God’s seventh day and for me at age
17 it answered the fossil record Enigma for some reason my parents thought I was being obsessive above physics and astronomy I don’t know why but they were worried did you kiss a lot of girls at all no what a surprise I mean I was saving I was saving up pop bottles and
Cashing in to build a telescope that’s amazing I began doing research on tari Stars wound up entering the BC science fair and winning the fair uh so I was a real nerd growing up I really enjoyed my astronomical research but my family uh was worried that I was being too
Narrowly focused when I was 11 uh my parents bought us a big thing book on evolutionary biology I was the only one in the family that read it but I remember telling my parents the numbers don’t work you have all these new families and orders and classes and Fila showing up before
Humanity and none of that happens after Humanity they said go ask your science teachers they had no clue they told me to talk to the professors I knew and I didn’t get an answer for them either but the first time I picked up the Bible read Genesis 1 said that this ansers a
Fossil record Enigma for six days God creates on the seventh day he ceases from his work of creation to focus on his work of redemption and I also realize that’s the principle of the Sabbath for six days we work on the seventh day we focus on the most
Important issues of life and as I read through the creation text I was surprised to discover God begins his works of redemption before he creates anything at all which implies everything that God creates is for the purpose of redemption and it made sense of the seventh day when God stops creating and
Redeems it also explained to me why so many astronomers believe in God and so few field biologists believe in God their researches on different days of creation in astronomy our data comes from the past because it takes light time to reach her telescopes the field biologists are doing their research in
The present era so the field biologists say we see no evidence for the miraculous handiwork of God well they’re looking on the wrong day day seven God stops that but before Humanity you got the six days when God where do you say he he tips his hand that he is he is
Worried about salvation and Redemption before he creates well you got passages like 2 Timothy 1:9 the grace of God that we now experience was put into effect before the beginning of time or Titus 1:2 the hope that we share in Jesus Christ was granted to us before the
Beginning of time then you got Hebrews 11:3 the universe that we can detect did not come from that which we can detect we can detect matter energy space and time so and that’s unique to the Bible you won’t find that in the other holy books so I says this book gets all the
Cosmology right I mean what astounded me in going through the creation text not only talks about a space-time beginning it talks about how the universe expands from that space-time beginning the stretching out of the heavens how it happens under laws of physics had never changed in Ecclesiastes and Romans speak
About one of those laws as a pervasive law Decay and hey if you know High School physics that implies that the Universe gets colder and colder in a highly predictable way and astronomers have actually got measurements of the past temperature of the universe and they perfectly fit what the Bible
Predicted thousands of years ago unbelievable yeah so it gets all the science right uh it predicts future science can can you help me out with something because i’ I’ve said this and I don’t do what you do so probably very in eloquently but I’ve said this to people who believe in
Evolution everything in our world decays yes it becomes more chaotic right nothing in our world starts as chaos and ends up like this there’s there’s no example is there well uh my colleague FAL R who’s our staff biochemist and I we regularly attend origin of Life research conferences and it’s
Interesting each successive meeting is more depressing than the previous meeting because they keep running into these intractable roadblocks however uh I think what you know motivates them they do these experiments in the lab we say hey we’re able to put some amino acids together and get a short uh you know sequence of
Amino acids maybe we’re on the way to making a real protein uh or they’re able to come up with some way to make RNA the problem is it takes a highly skilled team of biochemists well-funded uh with real technical equipment where they make sure we’re going to ensure that there is
No contaminant chemicals that would degrade the reaction so they’re using computer samples and there’s one U uh that would imply that there’s a Creator it implies you need something smarter yes more intelligent more knowledgeable and better funded than those biochemists to do it in the first place uh so but
They think they’re making progress and I say yes what you’re doing in the lab is remarkable but notice it’s only the baby steps you can’t solve the fundamental problems like how do you get all the amino acids left-handed how do you get all the ri both sugar is right-handed
That’s an easy thing that there’s no naturalistic process that does that and so and you if you go to these conferences they admit that their naturalistic explanations don’t work none of them work well that would imply that there’s someone again more intelligent than us that did it in the
First place and then you look at the fossil record I mean uh evolutionists will claim well how it all works you got natural selection mutation Gene exchange and epigenetics and that’s going to cause species to differentiate and produce more species if you wait long enough if you wait longer you might
Get a new genus if you wait longer the new Genera might produce a new family and on all the way up to the film The problem is when you look at things like the Avalon and Cameron explosions of life or the mass speciation events it’s the opposite the Filas show up first the
Species show up last it’s exact opposite of what you expect from a naturalistic perspective and the leading uh paleontologists or agnostics or atheists can see that in their papers they can see that they’re seeing the opposite of what their models would predict uh first of all talk about the
Cambon explosion for anybody who doesn’t know what that is well it’s an event where the oxygen level suddenly jump from 8% to 10% what would cause that in nature again the Deep oxygen cycle something called the um uh the great unconformity which is basically an event where you
Got huge landslides coming off the Continental land masses uh being deposed in the oceans it forms the Continental shell which is an ideal environment shallow Continental shells uh for sea life and so the Avalon explosion is where you got 8% oxygen not enough for a circulatory system or digestive tract uh
But enough for filter feeders but when it hits 10% and again you get another geological event that suddenly jumps up to 10% now you got enough oxygen that you can have digestive tracts you can have a brain you can have a heart you can have various kinds of organs hearing
Eyesight all that’s possible but it all shows up immediately and simultaneously so you get about 50 fum a philm is a basic body plan so for example we humans are part of the Cor film which means we have a long neural cord it includes all the vertebrates and a lot of the
Invertebrates are in that film and I remember when I was first reading this in my teenage years they were saying well the cordat show up at the end of the Cameron event we now know that the beginning of the camon event even the vertebrates show up at the beginning of
The camon event 550 F showing up simultaneously and immediately when the oxygen permits them to exist is and when you say simultaneously and immediately how many years is that over well uh that’s been a problem trying to measure that Precision yeah uh two years ago they were saying within a 5 million year
Window CU that’s what the air bars are now the air bars are down to 410,000 years wow so we know what happens in less than 410,000 years wow so that would I me it goes kind of for and against Evolution right because some animals do kind of evolve right well for example we
Humans are significantly taller than we were 2,000 years ago right what’s our appendix for our our well the appendix does serve a useful purpose there are no useless organs in the human body okay the the problem was they thought the appendix was part of the digestive tract
It’s part of the immune system so uh we now know it’s a purpose they used to think the tonsils and adenoids are useless organs we know they serve a useful purpose we’re looking in the wrong area for the purpose so okay the human body is marvelously designed in
Fact I just participated in a book with uh about a dozen medical researchers who are just the book’s going to come out soon basically talking about how the human body is the most amazingly designed animal we see on the face of the planet I I sat in it was just my
Father just passed away and I sat in the hospital room uh and he was hooked to a um um oh what do you call it when you have the kidney failure and oh dialysis dialysis he was hooked to this amazing machine that slowly over 24 hours cleaned all the blood yeah it was
Remarkable but it was almost the size of a like a small refrigerator yeah and I sat there and I looked at that and I thought that’s the best we can do for an organ that doesn’t have any wires or any we don’t even know it’s only the size of
A human Fist and it’s the size of a fist how do you I mean how do people dismiss the miraculous machine that we are that we can’t even get close to we don’t even understand it yet well for example we humans have about four times as many
Heartbeats in her lifespan as any other mammal I mean turtles live longer than us but they don’t do much M uh we get to have high activity for Seven 8 nine decades uh I mean we’re unique amongst the life forms our brain is as big as it
Can possibly be make the human brain any bigger that would cook itself to death and so I mean uh nothing in the animal world matches the capability of the human brain okay so tell me the the because I I believe Lucy exists sure um you know I I believe in Neanderthal man
But I don’t think they’re connected we’ve never come up with a link we’ve never doesn’t mean that we won’t someday but I don’t think if I believe in God God created well one of the books we’ve written is who is Adam where we basically meet the point yes there are
But a dozen species of bipedal primates of preceded human beings but we see no evidence that they are revolving towards us because what we notice is the brain size goes up and down as you go over the past 6 million years the bipedal capability goes up and down uh we don’t
See a linear progression and the human brain structure is different we have a much higher density of neurons it is true our brain is about the same weight as the Neanderthal brain but the Neanderthal had to manage a much larger body uh so we have a higher enolization
Ratio we also have a much higher density of neurons and then the way the brain is structured is different the Neanderthal brain is basically like a cylinder ours is like a basketball it’s globular and uh we have a huge parietal lobe that’s a lobe that allows us to have the show it
Allows us to do mathematics philosophy theology uh you know symbolic capability you know we alone invent symbols and use symbols that do amazing things no other animal does that at best they make some claw marks on a tree maybe or a piece of rock but we actually invent symbols uh I mean in
Mathematics we keep inventing symbols to help us do our calculations alphabets I mean that’s what’s unique about human beings but it’s our anatomy that makes it possible Fact one of the talks I give is how God designed us all to be think aholics we’re all capable of thinking
Non-stop throughout our whole life no other animal can do that neanderthals couldn’t do that only humans were capable of doing that so let me play devil’s advocate here and just say everybody says that dolphins are wildly intelligent animals and they don’t do the alphabet because they don’t have
Hands well they are intelligent but they’re not the most intelligent non-human animal uh Darwin claimed that the most intelligent non-human animal was a chimpanzee because it looks the closest like us right and he also said to his colleagues prove me wrong by doing Fiel experiments it took 150 years
Before any scientists actually did what Darwin recommended wow but the paper that was published had an interesting title Darwin’s mistake because experiments show that the smartest non-human animals are Caledonian crows and ravens they far outperform the intellectual capability of any of the Apes uh I mean chimpanzees can do a
One-step uh tool use uh these birds can do eight steps and they do it without any training you can go on YouTube and watch video clips of what these uh they’re Cal Caledonian Ravens Caledonian crows and ravens incredibly smart animals but we now notice is they have a
Brain structure that’s similar to the human brain structure and very different what you see in chimpanzees and gorillas and oranga tangs so when you call somebody a bird brain you’re actually giving them compliment um let me go back to the big bangang for a second because the Big Bang was
Originally uh something that was meant as an insult right well it was Fred Hoy that coined the term Big Bang as a way of deriding the Big Bang he was promoting the steady state theory he didn’t like big bang cosmology he didn’t like the theology behind it he was well
Aware that it had a Biblical connection so he said we got to get rid of this so so wait say that again cuz I don’t think anybody knows that that it had that it had a Biblical while the very first time the Big Bang was proposed in the 1920s
You had people like Sir Arthur Edington saying this is philosophically repugnant we have a beginning to the universe uh I don’t like that and uh so what you saw in the early part of the go to the first cause it goes back to the first cause
And it talks about uh space and time having beginning just like the Bible teaches and so uh because it spoke of this being beyond the universe they said we got to get rid of this but over the course of the 20th century the evidence just got stronger and stronger and
Stronger that the Big Bang model indeed describes the origin and history of the universe how did how was it taken as proof from the original people saying I reject this scientists I reject this because it’s a god model to no well one thing they didn’t like is
That it made the universe too young it made the universe only billions of years old and the astronomers in the early part of the 20th century recognize if it’s only billions we can’t save Charles Darwin’s theory that theory needs a lot more time than just billions of years in
Fact in the early part of the 20th century you had astronomers like Sir James Jean saying the stars are able to burn for trillions of years so the universe must be quadrillions of years old and as quadrillions maybe we can save Charles Darwin but what happened in 1956 is astronomers actually figured out
How elements are fused inside stars and that’s when they realize oh uh it’s only billions it’s not quadrillions the universe is a lot younger than we thought and yes that’s bad news for evolutionary biology but hey that’s what the universe tells us and yet there are now
Uh people who believe the Bible who say I guess that it’s all wrong that it’s only five or however many thousand years old well I know a lot of young Earth creationists I debate them frequently on podcasts like this um and I point out notice how frequently the
Bible says the laws of physics don’t change and every young Earth creation’s model critically depends on altering the laws of physics by factors of millions or billions of times times at the fall of Adam and the flood of Noah the Bible explicitly rules that out moreover as an
Astronomer every time I look at the Spectrum of a star or a Galaxy I’m measuring the laws of physics and from zero all the way out to 13 and A5 billion light years we see no change in the laws of physics right I me the Bible
Got it right I’m sure you are and I know this guy got a lot wrong but um ever heard of V oh yes okay I met him personally actually did you really at the University of Toronto I had this gigantic office cuz my research was highly voluminous and he said can I
Borrow your office for a day so he used my office at the University of Toronto to do his stuff but I said yeah so I got to talk to him uh but uh even before I met him I knew what he was saying about the history of the solar system was
Provably incorrect so but his world’s in Collision I I was so fascinated by because he was the first scientist that said that I know of let’s not throw the Bible out let’s look for things that are natural that would explain what they were trying to document well that’s where I think he
Was on to something you got The Parting of the Red Sea got Noah’s flood uh so he said we should expect to find some evidence but the evidence he was citing doesn’t work I mean he was claiming for example that there was a comet that swung by the
Earth and became Venus uh well Venus is not a comet and if that had happened all life on planet Earth would have been wiped out so right but is there anything to his theory not his facts but his theory he is correct that there are statements in the Bible uh that you know
Need explan and I guess what I’m really asking you is scientists should get along with God because he had to be the greatest mathematician ever and he created physics and everything is so tight and precise he he set up a system where he wouldn’t violate um physics right he he he did it
Through whatever system is well something you see in Psalm 19 God gave us two reliable books the book of Nature and the Book of scripture which implies the two books will always agree right and that’s how we figure out where we misinterpreted things if we see what looks like a disagreement between
Understanding the book of nature or the book of scripture we know we’ve misinterpreted one or both and the fact that we see the book of nature cooperating the book of scripture and the Book of scripture cooperating the book of nature tells us God has given us two faithful Witnesses that’s the core
Of the organization I founded reasons to believe is basically showing how the dup two books uh do cooperate one another and basically we use emerging discoveries in the book of nature to bring people to the book of scripture so show me some of those example you showed
Creation well I put out a Blog called today’s new reason to believe and if I had the time I could write a dozen such articles every day just because of what’s being published in the scientific literature but basically I pick the highlights and say look the principle we
See in job and Psalms is demonstrable the more we learn about nature the more evidence we’ll uncover for the supernatural handiwork of God and the fact that we can document that on a daily basis from the scientific literature and so I tell Skeptics on University campuses if you’re not
Persuaded today wait one month see how much stronger the evidence become and as you see it mounting at that dramatic of a rate perhaps you need to seriously consider what the Bible says you need to do about your life more with you in just just a second I mean he’s fascinating
And uh obviously science is something that I love but he understands it and it’s all math and math is really all you need to understand uh a lot of things you know how the Earth was created or how the government is destroying our dollar it’s all math when you print
Money like it’s going out of style to the tune of $1 trillion every 100 days that’s what we’re borrowing in printing right now there comes a time when it all breaks down because the numbers are too big and nobody wants to loan you that money and now you have to pay it
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8957 gold ask them for their um uh their their booklet their guide on wealth protection it’s free get it now lar Capital so what do you think of quantum mechanics oh I love quantum mechanics uh you can’t have life withough quantum mechanics I mean your body is filled with proteins that act like
Transistors and what’s interesting is the uncertainty in quantum mechanics must be fine-tuned for life to exist so make the uncertainty bigger those proteins will fail to operate make it smaller they’ll fail to operate I mean it was a a big debate between Neil’s bore and Albert Einstein does God play
With dice right we now know that God does play with dice but he carefully designs the dice to get exact what he wants so uncertainty is a crucial Factor not just in quantum mechanics uh but in statistical mechanics uh you also need the uncertainty to get the browni EM
Motion to work uh again there’s engines inside you know molecules inside your C that operate in browni and motion so the statistical uncertainty getting thermodynamics is crucial for life to exist so tell me and again I am sorry you’re talking way down here but um the idea of like Quantum Computing is
That it takes everything all at once right takes all of the possibilities at once which leads you to fiction of parallel universe and and everything else is is is any of that real well the thing about Quantum Computing is you have to deal with the quantum uncertainties that are involved
And so how they make Quantum Computing viable is you have tens of thousands of quantum computers all working in parallel which reduces the uncertainty you get from the quantum effects so yeah Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle we have to take that into account and our human brain basically is a huge parallel
Processor and so yeah there’s a goal uh can we make Quantum Computing able to launch the next Advan in computer capability where we know we can make good progress is getting better uh storage and so there’s actually a serious effort uh DNA stores information at the smallest
Possible level uh within the laws of physics and so they’re actually saying maybe the next flash drive is going to be a bunch of DNA uh that stores information for us so maybe we can get another factor of a thousand or a million times storage capability in small devices uh Quantum Computing is
Going to be a little more challenging what do you think about AI I just gave a talk on AI last week uh at a university Marshall University in West Virginia basically making the point uh that AI can do things far more rapidly than we human beings but it’s
Totally dependent on the diet that we feed it it can’t produce new databases it can’t reason but boy it ever affect Ive at going through huge databases and spitting up the answers we want quickly however if you ever used chat ggt you need to guide it if you let it
Loose on its own it’s like letting a toddler loose in a in a toy store things will happen that you don’t want to happen uh but if you appropriately guide it uh you can get really good results I mean it can write a 40 page review paper
In 15 seconds no human’s capable of that chaty can do that but you really need to be careful what it’s analyzing and so I love what that chat GPT does right now do you like the answer I gave you and if you say no it’ll take a different
Algorithm PA try to give you what you want uh but it works even better if you say narrow your search to here uh and what you need to do is help the AI system not to go off on tangents so what do you what do you think though that I
Mean the AI uh scientists and creators are now um saying that well that’s because it’s it’s young it’s like a child and it will start to learn uh it will get better right but it’s always going to be dependent on the databases you feed it it cannot produce brand new
Databases and it can’t reason it can copy our reasoning steps there’s a much bigger AI system called manura and all they feed it is math textbooks and math papers and example of the solutions of math problems but here’s how well it does in grade n algebra problems it gets 50% correct
This system is three times bigger than chat GPT why well because it can’t reason now what they done to try to see chat GPT gets 26% on freshman algebra tests manura it does much better 50% the reason why it does much better it’s not distracted it’s only analyzing mathematical databas
Narrow Ai and basically it’s being fed hey here’s some sample algebra problems here are all the reasoning steps so it’s basically copying these reasoning steps and integrating to see what typically works best on these problems that’s why it gets 50% but you know a grade n algebra
Student gets 50% that’s a failure right so so have you ever read age of spiritual machines by Riker as well uh no I haven’t okay yeah so um you wouldn’t agree you wouldn’t agree on a lot well I’m familiar with this stuff so yeah yeah so he wrote this back in the
90s and it fascinated me because um I I think we are playing God I think we think we’re God and we’re playing God and um we have no idea what we’re doing well one of the problems with AI is you got people thinking we can duplicate human consciousness that’s because they think human
Consciousness is purely physical I got 50 books in my library written by people trying to come up with the origin of human consciousness what they all have in common is they end up by saying we don’t have a clue right so it’s because they’re looking in the
Wrong area the Bible tells us our mind and our Consciousness is not physics it’s not chemistry it’s not biology there’s something non-physical that controls our brain I like to think of our brain as like a computer interface it’s something our Consciousness uses to be able to communicate with a physical
World you know I’ve watched people uh undergoing severe Dementia in the latter years of their life you can see the conscious person struggling to communicate yes and frustrated that they can’t yes the interface is not working the physical interface is failing them but it doesn’t mean the Consciousness is gone it’s there
Rey believes that I mean he’s collected all the information on his father everything he can I I really believe he’s kind of a modern-day Frankenstein in a way he believes he can recreate his father at least the intelligence and the the intellect he believes of his father
Um and he told me one time there won’t be any death after 2030 cuz we’ll be able to download you and and I’ve said to him but that’s not life Rey that that’s that’s a copy of how I think and what I know but that’s not me you can
Download the information storage that you’ve accumulated in your brain that’s feasible the conscious no right because the conscious isn’t physical and and and part of that is I I’ve been pondering that ever since we had this conversation of what one of the things that makes me
Nervous about a is if we start treating it as uh alive it it doesn’t have my life changed because of a spiritual connection right I would have gone off the path what keeps me on the path of Positive Growth and everything else is a spiritual connection uh a healthy fear of God an
Understanding that we are all connected on things that science can’t prove so if he collects everything that I am and then puts me up and and says well here’s here’s your grandpa and Grandpa never died I I feel like Grandpa would become a monster after a while because it
Wouldn’t take in any of the spiritual guidance that you get does that make sense to you it does and I would say science has a way of actually proving that because the space-time theorems tell us there’s a causal agent Beyond SpaceTime matter and energy so yes there is something that does transcend physics
Chemistry and biology so if God is in that Spirit realm why can’t we be in that Spirit realm especially when the Bible explicitly tells us so I mean you got the proof of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead uh you have people coming back from the dead you got
Near-death experiences I mean there’s a lot of evidence that there is something Beyond this Physical Realm and it tells us in the Bible in Ecclesiastes eternity is written on the heart of every human being you know I debate atheist physicist on University campuses and yet they all claim they’ve
Got ultimate purpose and Destiny and I say well if the world is purely M materialistic you don’t uh you know I debated the particle physicist Victor Stinger at keltech at the international skeptic Society I talked to them afterwards because they gave them the last word the debate and what he told
The audience remember one thing you are all cold nothing so I talk to him afterwards and says you’re the only honest atheist scientist has been at this conference the rest of them are claiming they got purpose they got destiny they got meaning you’re saying all that is untrue and he says yes I
Agree with you if there is no God then indeed we’re no better off than a rock or a piece of dust but nobody really believes that and the fact that we see this even in the hearts of you know very intelligent atheists that there is some ultimate purpose and Destiny tells us
There is a realm beyond the physical this is what I think this is you know Darkness has always been in the heart of man and and man’s inh Humanity man is not new but Darwin codified the follow the science not science follow the science right and he codified uh
Subspecies of humans you know we had racism but then he said science there is the preservation a preservation of favored races and and with that is born Eugenics and when you when you don’t have uh a God and your God is science and you think that there’s no meaning for people
You know that we can make better people and there’s no real you you you end up doing horrific horic Val your fellow man there’s no value yeah so I mean even if that were right it’s extraordinarily dangerous well we see that in the personages of Adolf Hitler
And Joe Stalin they didn’t value human life so and look look at the consequences um are we are are we repeating um the same old I mean the same story over and over again because you look at what we went through in the turn of the 20th century with science now I feel
Like we have all the tools that they were try they were hoping they could find we have all of these tools now at our disposal to do all kinds of things to make the perfect species in their mind well we actually have the technology today to uh you know we can
Make artificial limbs correct that the bind can control it’s like having a real limb so I I’m in favor of those kinds of advances uh where I’m basically drawing a line as saying the attempt to build a superhuman is a mistake there will be unintended consequences I mean it is
True for example our backbone is not optimized for sitting at a desk 12 hours a day but our backbone is designed so that we can run we could walk we could stand we could sit we can sleep all for long periods of time which means the backbone has to be compromised to some
Extent for one of those activities because God designed it for multiple activities it’d be easy for people to say hey we can improve the human body here and ignore the fact that it damages a human body in other areas and you see that you take drugs you take any kind of
Drug that will help you right it’s a chain of events that on University campuses they now have uh what are called intellectual steroids they’re pills that you can take that really enhance your memory and allow you to do phenomenally well on colge exams wow I’d like some of those
Well there are consequences it works well for people who have a damaged memory it’ll help them recover their memory but if you give it to a healthy uh person now they’re no longer able to forget and not being able to forget is damaging they’re not able to for they’re
Not able to forget moreover uh they lose their ability to emotionally connect and so it’s people saying hey look how much better I do on this test at the college and then then they discover for the next 10 years they have significant social handicaps so we’re trying to improve on
What God did and whenever we do that we find out hey yeah I got to I got to tell you the uh you know I feel bad for the people who have perfect recollection I think that’s what hell is perfect recollection of everything you’ve done wrong there is a genetic disorder where
People can’t forget they don’t do well they don’t do well I mean they’re always thinking concretely abstractly they have a hard time look analyzing figures of speech they come back you give them a date they come back and they’re reliving the emotion of that day as if it’s happening because it’s
You what they make phenomenal journalists because they don’t have to take notes um so let’s uh uh let me let me go on on AI um what happens to us how do we judge because there already people are saying this chy PT I mean it’s it’s it’s a sensient being no
It’s no it’s not it’s not but but we’re getting so good at tricking humans I I I see a time where while they’re actually thinking of passing a law that when you engage an AI system the AI system has to tell you in advance that it’s Ai and not
A human being and it’s all based on the fact that they’ve designed an AI system to do roarian therapy and a roarian therapists basically ask you questions so that you come up with the answer on your own and so it’s very easy to program an AI system to ask you you know
Meaningful questions what was going on in your life the problem is uh there are records of showing that people thought they were engaging a real human being rather than a computer system and the most dramatic case one guy divorced his wife and tried to marry his computer
Therapist and then found out oh it wasn’t a real human being and so they’re saying hey this has happened more than once we need to tell the human that’s being interviewed you’re talking to a computer but I believe that there will come a time probably not too far away where once
You’re once everyone has access to an AI assistant who listens to everything can write your emails can think like you is is programmed to watch for your needs and your wants and and uh to protect you or to suggest you know I’m really man I’m having a bad day uh blah blah blah
It will remember that your favorite spot in the world is some beach in Hawaii and it will say you know what I I cleared your schedule and you’re going and people will bond with that and they will claim that that is their best friend because they know everything about them and they
Never have to listen about how bad their day is they don’t uh but it also means they disengage with real human yes and you know because of AI notice today we have a loneliness epidemic uh you know we got a relationship deficit epidemic and anxiety epidemic I mean we now know the
One reason why Co hit America so hard one of the factors that really exacerbates Co is anxiety Americans are incredibly anxious uh but our AI technology today uh basically spawns that but I think one thing that’s going to protect people we all realize these systems uh need to
Make money and so we see online is yes uh AI basically figures out what you want but his motivation is get you to buy more stuff correct so and hopefully people were smart enough to realize hey I’m being tricked into spending money I don’t need to spend the Father the father of
Propaganda U Berne said uh we just have you know the problem with this country is is it’s a nation of needs not of wants right our goal is to CH change that to a nation of wants and not needs and they were pretty darn effective they
Were you know and uh we didn’t know um what do you think about um bringing things like the woolly mammoth back well I wrote an article years ago saying that you know we benefited from the extinction of the woolly mammoth because uh just before they went extinct they were basically destroying all the
Siberian Canadian forest and if that had happened it would have been devastating to the ecosystems fortunately they went extinct and maybe we humans had a big hand in that because that’s a really easy meal kill one Mammoth you got food for 4,000 people for several days jeez
So uh but I think there is the possibility of bringing the woolly mammoth back I just why would we do that well you can put him in a zoo uh this I talked to the guy who’s um working on it and he said he’s bringing it back for
Global warming reasons that they will have a positive impact on global warming I’m I’m like I’m sure their farts are enormous all that methane gas and they were destroying Forest what don’t things go extinct for a reason yes uh but I think you got people
Saying hey uh if there is no God we have to do everything to preserve the species the thermodynamics is going to cause species to go extinct although I do agree we humans certainly are hastening it so we’re a big reason why species are going extinct so I think that was
Motivating people hey maybe we can bring some species back that we drove to Extinction the technology is basically looking at okay we’ve mapped the Genome of the woolly mammoth maybe we can alter the uh the Egg of an elephant so that basically it has the embryo of a woolly
Mammoth and have the elephant give birth to the woly mammoth that’s basically the technological path they’re seeking so it will be a woolly mammoth will be a woolly mammoth if everything works like the way they think it is and you know within a decade we may have woly
Mammoths and zoos that that’s a possibility uh but yeah I would recommend we don’t turn them loose in the tundra yeah or the tyaga I mean it just I mean I hate to bring it to this but does anybody watch Jurassic Park there’s there’s that will completely change everything it will I
Mean uh Jurassic Park is a bit of a stretch right I mean the woolly mammoth they were running around just 3,000 years ago so they haven’t been extinct that long and because they’ve been flash frozen in various ice regions of Canada uh we’ve been able to recover the genome
And get an accurate picture of that that’s hard to do once you get into the millions of years ago H how how were they flash Frozen I mean they had buttercups in their stomachs yes well uh my father grew up in Alberta and they have these Chinooks where within one or
Two hours the temperature rises by 80 to 100° you also got the reverse jinuk where the temperature drops by 80 to 100° in an hour or two oh my gosh I and when it drops that fast you’re basically FL flash freezing live animals in place to such a degree that there are
Occasions when the Canadian government serves Mammoth meat at their state dinners because the meat is still good to eat you’ve got to be kidding me I mean that it takes a special invitation to get to one of those I’m sure it does and I know I don’t know if I would want
Wonder what it tastes like probably chicken um uh do you believe in extraterrestrial life well that’s something the Christians have been debating for 2,000 years because uh you look at Psalm 104 it’s like God seems to really enjoy creating why would he stop on one planet what a waste of space is
Sean said yeah what a waste of space um I had Sean as a professor when I was at the University really well you know what was fun about that he kept saying the only hope for Humanity is we tune our telescopes towards these uh distant planets maybe we can find an intelligent
Uh civilization and surely they’ve written a book that will solve all the problems that we humans face he called it the encyclopedia Galactica well I think I was the only Christian in the room but I said don’t we already have an encyclopedia galactic and isn’t Carl’s problem that he’s not
Willing to read it he overheard me oh boy and he says I know about that book nobody can live up to its moral standard it’s like but that’s the point of the book no one can live up to its moral standard we need God’s help to be able
To pull that off that’s what’s unique about the Christian faith wow so but yeah so there’s a major effort let’s see if we can find I mean even today SEI the search for extraterrestrial intelligent life um and there are passages in the Bible that say we’re probably alone because we
Notice in the gospels Jesus frequently refused to perform Miracles which implies he only performs those Miracles that are necessary to achieve his purpose and there are theologians who argue God only needs one planet as an astronomer I can tell you andless you have a universe with two trillion
Galaxies where that makes up only a quar per of the total it of the universe that’s what it takes to get one planet so if God wanted one planet on which we he does play dice yeah we’re really talking about God having to create a universe of a huge size so it’s
Not a waste of space the universe’s Mass must be exactly what it is to get the periodic table of elements and without all those elements you can’t have life and you can’t have advanced civilization so we’re here because of how precisely tuned the mass of the universe was and his age
Was to make all this possible but I can share this with you from an astronomical perspective everywhere we look beyond Earth we see conditions that are very hostile to the existence of advanced life and may be any life at all however having said that I’ve been on public
Record since the 1980s we will find the remains of Life on almost every solar system body because it started and died out no because Earth has been exporting microbes for billions of years every time a meteorite strikes the Earth as sufficient size you get microbes traveling through interplanetary space
Wow but I have friends who’ have calculated how much Earth soil exists on the surface of the Moon 20,000 kilog for every 100 square km there’s a lot of Earth soil on the moon wow one ton of Earth soil has 100 quadrillion microbes in it and I’m actually spoke at NASA
Houston saying we got to go back to the Moon we don’t need to send people we can do it machines but we need to go with a different Mission not to recover pristine lunar rocks but to recover that Earth transported soil because we’ll be able to solve the origin of Life problem
Because Earth’s geology has destroyed the fossils of Earth’s first life but the Moon is geologically inactive the fossils of Earth’s first life are in pristine form on the surface of the Moon we can go there and figure out who got the origin of Life model right the
Theist or the atheist and how it closed that message says this is a no-brainer last time I checked atheist and theist made up 100% of the US taxpayer wow so yeah NASA could actually determine hey did the theist get it right or did The Atheist get it right we can find out
Why is the dark side of the moon so important it’s very important especially I’m a radio astronomer it’s especially important because radio pollution on the earth is huge silence it’s like a giant hole of Silence right so if we go to the back side of the moon it blocks out all
The radio noise from the earth in fact there’s a a a mission in 2026 to put four radio telescopes in the back side of the moon like the SE siiz telescopes big ones these would be small ones cuz what they’re realizing is uh the ionosphere and the atmosphere of the
Earth permits extremely low frequency radio observations but if we go to the back side of the moon there’s no ionosphere there’s no atmosphere so we can actually make measurements of 100 meters of wavelength and that wavelength is crucial to understand the physics of the firstborn stars in the universe so that
Mission is scheduled for 2026 and they’re going to robotically assemble the uh radio telescopes on the back side of the moon and I wrote an article basically saying we need to protect the back side of the moon because there’s people who want to send up hundreds of satellites orbiting the moon they do
That you wreck it they wreck it yeah so get the Sierra Club on that one yeah that’s a good mission for the Sierra Club it would protect the moon um uh I can’t I can’t than you enough for coming in and and talking to me and
Uh giving a a a different look at Faith I I I’ve never understood why science reason and Faith are at war with each other well the war isn’t as intense as people think I mean there’s a lot of Believers in God on University campuses and research facilities
I mean there was a philosopher back in 1916 who said with the advance of science they’re going to see an exponential decline in scientists who believe in God and an afterlife well they redid the survey 80 years later they got the same percentages really about 45% of research scientists believe
In God in an afterlife that’s higher than I thought it was well it’s especially High amongst research mathematicians there it’s over 80% what you see in map math there’s an elegance and a beauty and a symmetry in math that tells us the one who set up all that math likewise must really enjoy
Beauty and Symmetry and elegance right so and a lot of astronomers are believers in God now where you do see a very low percentage is in the social sciences so sociologists you know cultural anthropologists yeah um but it’s because the data doesn’t constrain them like it does in chemistry and
Physics and astronomy I mean if you got enormous a bars you got lots of room to speculate but if the Arab bars are tiny uh it basically forces you to certain conclusions love talking to you will you come back sometime oh yeah yeah this is great thank you
