Host of system update on Rumble joins us now Glenn thanks a lot for coming on um so the war in Ukraine which some have pointed out for nearly two years now was never going to be won by Ukraine since Russia has a population of over 100 million more people is finally
Apparently headed for peace talks NATO seems to have acknowledged that this is not actually going to work what do you make of that I think it’s important to go back and what remember what was said at the beginning the propagandistic framework not to take credit or assign blame but
To realize how often we’re deceived by exactly the same emo manipulative tactics we were told by the people who wanted the US involved in this war not just involved in it but to fuel it to prevent diplomatic negotiations from taking place with the possibility of ending the war very early on we were
Told by those people that they were so concerned about ukrainians and so concerned about Ukraine that the United States had to send tens of billions of dollars over there and all sorts of weaponry and flood the country with arms in order to protect ukrainians and
Anybody like the two of us and and other people who stood up and said this isn’t a good idea this is going to be counterproductive we were accused of not caring about the ukrainians of cheering for the Russians when none of that was true all along the point was that there
Was no way Ukraine could possibly win a war against Russia a Country Way larger with a much better military even if NATO is behind it the only thing that is going to happen is that this war will be prolonged huge numbers of young ukrainians and then older Ukrainian Ians
Not people who volunteered but who are conscripts zinsky has been fighting with a conscript Army since the beginning are going to die and at the end there’s going to be a negotiation that says that Russia will end up being able to uh protect the part of eastern Ukraine it
Believes had people in it who are largely Russian Russians speaking ethnic Russians who are being oppressed by Kiev they will keep Crimea there’s no way for these maximalist War uh aims ever to be achieved and now here we are 2 years later in part because the West is just
Tired of funding this war the counter offensive that we were all told would change everything was a tremendous disaster they barely have any people left to fight they’re now dragging 45 and 50 year olds off buses and sending them to the front and the United States
Has a brand new war that it seems more excited over and now they’re finally telling the ukrainians and so is NATO look the gig is up it’s time for you to sit down at the negotiating table and we’re now in a position where NATO has
To beg Russia to be happy to keep 20% of Ukraine which is what they’ve controlled pretty much without any change for the last year or even year and a half as tens of billions of dollars were wasted and thousands upon thousands of lives were extinguished and I would argue it’s
Even worse than that since the Biden Administration and our European allies provoke this war on purpose they’ve known for 20 years that the red line for Russia was NATO expansion onto its borders and they sent the vice president KL Harris to the Munich security conference two februaries ago to tell zinsky we
Want you in NATO knowing that this would provoke a war I mean I don’t see any other way to read it yeah I mean this idea that if you talk openly about providing a security relationship with Kiev or especially talk openly about allowing NATO to go right up to the most
Sensitive part of the Russian border by including Ukraine in the alliance the idea that that would provoke an automatic war with Russia between Russia and Ukraine is something that Washington has known for decades there’s a famous memo in 2008 written by the current head of the CIA Bill Burns who wrote to
Condesa rice and other Bush Administration officials who at the time were excited about expanding NATO Eastward about putting Ukraine in NATO and he said look it’s not just Putin it’s every single person in Moscow even the people who hate Putin all Russians are united around the idea that any
Attempt to put Ukraine into NATO is an existential threat to Russia and they will have no choice but to invade Ukraine if we try and they knew that and they ignored those threats and I absolutely think Tucker that you know one of the things that is I think the
Greatest fraud of this war is that the people who kept claiming they were so concerned about ukrainians were in fact totally indifferent to the ukrainians they were willing to sacrifice ukrainians and Ukraine at the altar of getting back at Russia I think in large part because they wanted to extract
Vengeance against Russia for what they perceived to be Russia’s role in helping Donald Trump win the 2016 election and causing Hillary Clinton to lose and they were willing to sacrifice an entire country and to wipe out tens of thousands of lives of young people who didn’t want to fight in order to fulfill
Their political goal of extracting Vengeance against Russia weakening Russia by and they kept been they’ve been saying for the last several months as American support for this war is eroding oh look at how great this war is we don’t have to lose any of our Lives we’re just having ukrainians die and
We’re just spending a bunch of money but no Americans are dying only ukrainians for this goal of weakening Russia they were the ones who didn’t care about the ukrainians they saw ukrainians as pawns that they were willing to sacrifice and that’s exactly what they did it’s really obscene this is almost a rhetorical
Question but isn’t this the point in the story where we pause and the people who behaved in the way you just described which is grotesque where they apologize for what they did and apologize to the people they maligned by calling them Putin apologists or tools of the Kremlin or or disloyal
Americans isn’t that kind of a necessary step in recovering from This Disaster it is but that the problem with the biggest problem with our political media culture is that there is no accountability so many of the loudest voices urging the United States get involved in this war and attacking and demonizing anybody who
Was opposed as being Russian agents or unpatriotic or whatever were they don’t come from the same ideological camp in many cases they were literally the very same people who did exactly that after 911 who anybody who stood up and said I’m against the Patriot actor I have
Concerns about NSA spying or I don’t think we should invade Iraq or drone bomb countries all over the world world the David froms and the bill crystals and the Cheney family those are the people standing up and saying anyone opposed to our Wars are unpatriotic they’re on the other side and none of
Those people ever paid a price for what they did lying the country into the war in Iraq destroying a country of 26 million people that gave rise to Isis they in fact all got promoted Jeffrey Goldberg helped the LIE he was one of the main people in the media selling the
Lie that Al-Qaeda was responsible with sodam Hussein for planning the 911 attack he’s now the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic they get promoted for these lies and so there won’t be any accountability these very same people Victoria Newan are all still in power and they’re going to continue to use
These tactics because they never pay a price to the contrary they ended up they end up getting rewarded for it it’s a very familiar template so their real aims are domestic they use foreign conflicts to make change in the United States to make the country in fact less
Democratic but they use those conflicts abroad to divide the United States so we’re going to do this we’re going to spend all this money we’re going to imperil America’s national security and if you don’t like it then you are a tool of fill in- the blanks Saddam Putin
Hamas it it seems like a uniquely poisonous way of running a country and not at all good for the country no I think that’s exactly right if it it it would be bad enough if the United States were just going around spending all of Americans money to fuel
Foreign Wars but what they’re doing at the same time with these Foreign Wars are using them as a pretext to erode the core constitutional and Civic rights of American citizens here at home so when they wanted to launch the so-called war and Terror they ushered in The Patriot
Act that gave vast powers to the FBI and the CIA of all kinds of detention and surveillance Powers they empowered the NSA to spy on Americans without the warrants required by the Constitution nuk gingr wanted to rewrite the first amendment in order to usher in censorship measures in the name of the
War on terror they did the same thing with the war in Ukraine some of the greatest censorship on big Tech came from those people who were questioning NATO narratives who were standing up and saying I don’t think these things are true I don’t think these things are wise
The EU made it illegal to even give RT a platform so every single one of these wars results in fewer and fewer rights for Americans here at at home and now we’re seeing the exact same thing Tucker with this insistence and the Biden Administration is fully on board in
Partnership with the Republicans to provide billions and billions of dollars not this time to Ukraine to fuel their War but to Israel to fuel their War and what we’ve been seeing from the people advocating that is this insistence that those who stand up and say I’m not in
Support of what Israel is doing to the Palestinians I don’t think the United States should treat this war as our war you don’t have to agree with that or not but there’s so many efforts now to say people saying this should be censored what they’re saying is illegal they’re
Invoking all the theories that the liberal left have been invoking for years now to justify censorship of the views they justlike oh this is inciting violence this is going too far this is hate speech this is against the vulnerable minority group and now we’re seeing the same kind of erosion of free
Speech here in the United States on the part of Americans because now there’s another foreign war that’s always part of the equation the domestic aspect to it that vests more power in the government and takes away more and more rights from Americans what’s so terrifying to me though is that the
Right the American political right which really was for this kind of weird transformation that’s happened over the past dozen years has become the lone Defenders of the First Amendment they’ve abandoned that in the last month like instantly so I think you could say you know I strongly support Israel I
Strongly dislike Kamas I’m I’m rooting maybe I think we should commit troops to the region I mean whatever you can have any view you want however American citizens have a right to express their opinion period and that supersedes any other event in any other country it’s
Like that’s a core right and I don’t hear many conservatives saying that and so you sort of Wonder like if they’re not defending it who will I mean there are people who have built their careers Tucker over the last five six years standing up and saying we
Can’t have cancel culture we can’t have censorship college students aren enti titled to feelings of safety we don’t censor in order to protect people from views they find threatening mocking the notion that minority groups are vulnerable and we have to censor in order to protect them turn on a dime and
Now become the leading voice of saying because American Jews feel unsafe that’s valid in a way that say claims from black people or lgbts or Latinos aren’t valid and because of that we need to censor fortunately there have been some conservatives influential ones who have been quite consistent ens for example
Had a very public argument with Megan Kelly in which he was saying we’re not the left we don’t get people fired for their political views we don’t believe in using the law to silence people there have been uh the ramaswami on your show he just wrote an article in the Wall
Street Journal saying we’re not going to defeat Kamas through censorship or cancel culture in the United States and I think the biggest example and the most important one which is fire.org that became very popular among conservatives in the United States because they were defending the rights of free speech on
Campuses for conserv cons ative students at a time when the ACLU wouldn’t stood up and vehemently denounced Ronda santz for a grave direct attack on the first amendment when he tried to ban a pro Palestinian group on campus on the grounds that they’re providing material support for Hamas even though he doesn’t
Claim they did anything other than Express their views and I think this is the point you are allowed to stand up in the United States and say I think the United States should bomb Iran into Oblivion I think we should turn Gaza into a parking lot lindsy Graham stands
Up every day and calls for violence of that kind and he’s protected by the First Amendment from doing so you also though as an American are allowed to stand up and say I think Israel is at fault in this conflict because of the occupation in the blockade I think that
People in Palestine have a right to fight back I think that violence is Justified because Israel has become repressive you can think all those views are repulsive but leave the question of what you think of those views to the side no question Americans have a right
To express them and there has been a concertive effort on the part of many conservatives including many who have led the way in mocking claims of victimhood and and victimhood narratives by minority groups and the idea that people need to feel safe they are now the ones turning around and saying no
Because of how dangerous this speech is we need to ban it we need to ban these protests we need to ban student groups we need to put people on no higher list the exact kind of tactics they spent five or six years up until a month ago aggressively denouncing and it’s very
Dispiriting even though it’s not surprising the minute that they have views that they find offensive to turn for them to watch them and turn around and use all the same theories to say those views cannot be expressed that is incredibly dangerous because in the future when conservatives want to
Complain about the censorship regime that has been implemented who will possibly take them seriously after we just watched them the minute there was an issue of great importance to them which is Israel turn around and call for censorship obviously it’s not a principal if the only time you defend
Free speech is when it comes to views you agree with anybody can do that that’s easy to do that’s worthless the only real test of whether you believe in free speech is whether you defend the right to express the views you find most offensive and a lot of conservatives not
All are woefully failing that test I I have to say I am surprised I I was shocked by it I am shocked by it and I’m shocked not just by how little they care about freedom of expression but also about the emotion involved so for the
Past I don’t know 20 years it’s been a staple of demonstrations on college campuses to attack the United States it’s a garbage country it was built on Chad slavery it’s fundamentally illegitimate the New York Times devoted an entire year to telling us that the United States is a fundamentally racist
Country and it’s it’s an awful it’s an immoral Place fundamentally from from its Inception and nobody said anything about it nobody stop sending money to youan over that when they were attacking the us or white people none of that even registered with anybody but the second a foreign country gets criticized we got
To shut it down I mean where’s where’s the concern for the United States or is that a stupid question yeah I mean you know I had Mike Johnson on my show the new speaker of the house two months ago and I walked away with a somewhat positive impression
And yet I was amazed that you know we have this ritual in the United States it’s not very common we elect a new speaker it’s only happened 56 times in the whole history of our country and the new speaker as sends up this Tribune and he gives a speech to try and tell
Americans what his speakership will be about and Mike Johnson had one opportunity to do that and he said the very first thing we’re going to do and Americans are like what are you going to do for us are you going to end the fentanyl crisis are you going to keep
Drugs out of our country are you going to provide better jobs for us are you going to reindustrialize he said the very first thing we are going to do is pass a bill to help our friend Israel that’s the first thing we’re going to do and obviously there are a lot of people
In the United States who have great affinity for other countries Russia to leave has a Palestinian flag outside her office a lot of people have the Ukrainian flag flying inside their house and huge numbers of people have intense affinity for Israel which is fine you’re allowed to have that the problem becomes
When you immediately abandon all of the principles that you claim to believe in in defense of this foreign country and the only reason Tucker I say that I wasn’t surprised is because I have noted many times before that the American right does seem willing to give up free
Speech soon as the issue is Israel I think one of the most disturbing set of laws that we have that were enacted mostly by Red State Governors and red state legislator and they’ve been invalidated by federal courts thankfully on the grounds that they violate Free Speech but Andrew Cola did it too are
Laws that say that if you want to work with the state if you want to have a contract with our state you have to sign a pledge vowing that you do not support a boycott of Israel otherwise you are not hirable you’re allowed to support a boycott of any other country you can
Boycott Peru you can boycott South Korea or Russia or China whatever country you want to boycott that’s totally fine boycott that you’re even allowed to boycott other states in your own country you’re allowed to harm the economies and the businesses of your fellow citizens and in fact Andrew Cuomo when he
Announced when he announced that he by executive order that if you support a boycott of Israel you can’t get hired by the state of New York Andrew Cola the very same one issued by executive order boycotts of Indian in North Carolina on the grounds that they had enacted
Bathroom bills for Trans people that he found offensive so there were a lot of red States and red State Governors enacting these laws that say if you want to work with the state you’re free to boycott any other country or any other state in the United States you just
Can’t boycott Israel and there’s been a lot of those kinds of that tolerance for that sort of thing because obviously the United States is a very pro-israel country and it’s a winning political issue among a lot of American Jews but also a ton of of the American evangelicals are just National Security
Hawks and there has been tolerance for erosion of free speech in the name of Israel before but nowhere to the extent that we’re now seeing and I agree that is the the severity of it is surprising I I would like to think there’s an even bigger constituency for pro America uh
But there doesn’t doesn’t seem to be at least is not represented uh in the Congress so I have to ask about President Biden these polls come out over the weekend showing that he’s losing in a theoretical matchup among registered voters in five out of six swing States the biggest swing States it
Looks like if the election were held today of not much changes he would lose and immediately you have David Axelrod Bill Crystal you know pretty devoted Biden voters saying we need a new guy what do you make of that polling do you think it reflects reality and
What do you think will happen to Biden I think the most amazing part about this Tucker is that the if if any leading American politician had even gotten near the possibility of an indictment 10 years ago the prospect of them running for high office would be instantly over and here you have Donald
Trump who has been indicted on felony charges in four different American jurisdictions two state jurisdictions two Federal jurisdictions and not only has it not harmed him it actually has helped him in the polls for sure among Republican voters his lead has expanded every time he’s indicted but also among American independ
And even groups that traditionally support Democrats almost reflexively like Black voters who 22% of in this latest poll we’ve seen similar polls say they would vote for Trump over Biden and 42% of Latinos and what this shows is that Americans have really come to the conclusion that our leading institutions
Of authority are radically corrupted our media Outlets are radically corrupted the Department of Justice and the legal system has been aggressively politicized and so now Donald Trump is in a position where he’s facing serious felony charges I don’t think they’re serious in the sense that they’re real but they’re
Serious in the sense that if he’s convicted he’ll go to jail they they felony charges and yet his lead is expanding over Joe Biden in part because people I think see the Injustice of it but also everybody can just look at Joe Biden and see that he is not a person
Capable of even managing his own life much less the country and that there’s no cure for that that’s not going to get better that’s only going to get worse and what their strategy now is is to basically say to Americans and I’ve seen many articles about this many things on
Television the problem is is that American voters are ignorant they’re ill-informed they’re lwi information voters and that’s why they’re deciding this way because the Democratic party I think is stuck with Joe Biden if he’s not going to go anywhere and he’s the kind of politician who has never sacrificed his own personal
Self-interest for any kind of greater cause there’s no reason to expect that he would do so now they’re tied at the hip to him and they see these polls and are in extreme panic mode I think if you have liberal friends you should definitely check on how they’re doing
After that last poll because it’s not just a Biden uh collapse it’s in key swing States all of which he won in 2020 where Trump now has a significant lead despite for indictment so all their efforts to try and Destroy Trump have failed at least until now and I don’t
Think the Democratic party is going to abandon Joe bid if he wants to run he’s going to be their nominee so there seems and maybe we’re imagining this we pulled together a montage of media coverage of Biden recently I want you to listen to it it does seem a little different from
What I remember last time I watched TV here it is a stunning New York Times Sienna poll shows that Donald Trump leading Joe Biden in Nevada Georgia Arizona and Michigan the number of Americans who think that things are going badly in the country today has hit
Its high for the year so you might expect any incumbent to be down as Biden is but then look at these positive views of what people think will happen for them financially if Donald Trump wins way more voters think they’d be better off I guess the big news in the poll is
That Biden is losing to Donald Trump because of huge losses among black voters and young voters the more diverse the swing state the farther Mr Biden was behind and he led only in the whitest of six then let’s look overseas there’s more voters we find who think think that
It’s Trump that would keep the us out of a war if he wins this is probably going to lead to a lot of Democrats increasing the chatter that Joe Biden should step aside and and and make room for another Democrat I love that white Liberals are the only people who like Biden so
Perfect but the media don’t appear maybe I’m I’m reading too much of this they don’t appear to be downplaying this much less ignoring it they seem to be highlighting Biden’s weakness what what do you make of that I mean it’s just they’re so Grim they’re like you know what it reminds me
Of have you seen those montages where the media started off election night 2016 incredibly excited and happy and as the night we on they get more they get Bleaker and Bleaker and more and more depressed until it finallys and by the time they’re like so destroyed and in
Practically in tears that’s the tone I think what they’re trying to do is to put pressure on the Democrats and Biden to say look you’re you’re this is serious now like it doesn’t seem like you you have any chance of winning and last ditch hope to try and convince
Biden to step aside of the Democrats to force him to of course the media is I mean completely petrified at the idea that Trump would win even though part of them knows it will help their careers like it did the first time around but they really are scared of trump they
Really view Trump as this ultimate Menace and I think those horrified tones are about the fact two things one they there’s obviously a good chance Trump will win and they can’t understand that and I think that’s the other thing is all they’ve been saying for six years is
That Trump is a white nationalist that Trump is a racist that Trump hates all minorities and here you have increasing numbers of non-white Voters doing the exact opposite of what you would expect them to do if they trusted or believed what those people have been saying namely they’re voting for Donald Trump
The racist white nationalist candidate who wants to put them all into camps and so if you’re an employee of these media outlets and you look at these polling numbers you realize that these people have tuned you out they don’t care what you say anymore they don’t trust what
You say anymore they have complet complely lost any control or influence over how Americans reason because most Americans are smart enough to have come to the conclusion that those people that you just showed in the media outlets for which they work are absolute Liars are just propagandists and people who exist
To deceive and that is the good news that these institutions where people have lost faith in deserve to have lost their faith and trust they deserve the contempt and hatred they provoked and it’s good that Americans are recognizing that and it’s good that those people there even though they’ll never question
Whether they are to blame are also starting to see that nothing they say really matters and makes a difference any longer that’s right and that and they do exist to deceive so nicely put one last question I I have to just ask and this is on tape what is your
Prediction for how the next year or exactly a year from the election plays out is it Trump versus Biden November I mean what do you think is going to happen I mean it seems to me like Republican voters have very consistently made clear that Trump is their candidate
I just wanted to add one point about this next year which I think is so important I know it’s taboo we’re not supposed to ever say anything good about Trump but the reality is Tucker and I think people are going to realize this more and more is that Trump was the
First American President in decades in decades not to involve the United States in a new war whereas here you have Joe Biden seemingly there’s a new war popping up all the time he wants to involve the United States and everyone send all their money overseas for them
And at the same time they remember that the economy was vibrant and good before Co hit they you can’t lie to the American people about their own experiences their lived experiences the left likes to say and I think as the next year approaches people are going to
Start to think about and compare what their lives are like under Joe Biden where there’s Wars everywhere and inflation and economic turmoil what it was like during Donald Trump and I think they’re going to be increasingly immune to the propaganda and to me I don’t see anything in the Republican Party
Obviously that can change that suggests that they will abandon Trump now maybe the one variable is that if Trump is actually convicted rather than just indicted and charged as he is now maybe that will change Republican voters or maybe that will change the electorate as a whole I don’t think so though because
I think they look at this Judicial System there’s nothing that Trump did that feels like a traditional crime it’s not rape it’s not murder it’s not embezzlement it’s not bribery there’re these very kind of technocratic and obscure crimes he’s accused of having committed and I just don’t think that most
Americans think that the the former president should be imprisoned for anything like that so if I were a betting man I think the odds look pretty good for Trump I think you’re right I’ve never sent money to a politician but if Trump is convicted I’m sending him the
Max I think a lot of people feel that way just as a middle finger Glen Greenwell thank you so much great to see you great to talk to you Tucker thanks y people say the news is full of lies Canada’s motorc 39 death of Jeffrey
