Wow they were really going to do this thing they were actually this group of guys these white supremacist sort of militia members were going to go and literally kidnap the governor and we covered the story we went through the police report went through a lot of the
Material that we had at the time and as the case goes on defense attorneys get their hands on it and they start digging in and they want answers to very important questions and as this case is unfolding very troubling information is coming about from the fbi showing that they may have
Been involved in a direct cover-up you can be the judge of that but cover-up i think is the most appropriate word here and we’re going to take a look at text messages that came from a special agent fbi agent over to an undercover informant promoting that lie let’s get
Into it the headline comes over from michigan live says that a dark shadow cast on the probe of the whitmer kidnap plot now that the fbi told an informant to lie and delete texts according to an attorney we’re going to take a look at this attorney his name is michael hills
He drafted a document on behalf of brandon caserta he’s representing him asking a federal judge ordering the government to provide all discovery i’m going to explain what that is here in a minute the government has said it’s already provided a bunch of this stuff and you don’t need any more of it all
Right so what’s happening here we are in a situation where the defense is fighting over discovery it’s called disclosure looks like a motion like this and this is being filed out of the western district of michigan for the southern division brandon caserta is one of the guys who
Was a part of that group remember there was a group of you know six to eight of them maybe as many as ten a lot of questions about who really made up the group because now allegedly some of those people may have been fbi agents or undercover secret informants government informants
And so what the defense is doing now that branded concerta has been charged with this conspiracy is they’re taking the the evidence that has been provided and they’re dissecting it and they’re identifying where there are some gaps they say hey thanks government you gave us a lot of this information
But we need more we’re going to look into that little one little spot a little bit more in depth and so back in july this defense lawyer filed this motion on july 12th and said listen we filed a motion to compel discovery remember that discovery in a criminal case it’s all
With the government okay they have all of the evidence they have the police reports the police did the work they have all you know chemical testing they do in dui cases or drug cases they have all of the body camera footage they have all of the witness
Statements they have it all so if you’re a defendant in a defense position you’re at a disadvantage you need the government to give you the stuff that you need to build your defense and so if they have something that they’re not going to give to you
You have to compel them to do that you have to go to the judge and you have to say listen judge i’m asking you compel them demand them to give us that information we need it for our defense and so they did that of course back in
July and it is still being kicked around back in july the defense attorney filed the motion to compel and they wanted the court to give him certain data the cell phone data right here regarding confidential informant aka dan this undercover person named dan they want his cell phone data as well as cell
Phone data for fbi agents called henrik impala and jason chambers they want all of their cell phone records to support this request branded caserta and the defense lawyer they produced a small portion of text messages between dan this undercover person dan’s fbi handler who is jason chambers and dan
Okay so we have this secret message going back and forth we’re gonna explain this out a little bit further these text message are indicating that the fbi was pushing their paid agent to actively recruit people into an overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy they’re saying here that they need cell
Phone records from fbi agents two of them impala and chambers and they want to know what the conversations were between those two special agents and this other person called dan who is an undercover informant they say we need this information it’s very important to our case brandon consert is being charged with a
Conspiracy here there may be some involvement from government officials particularly the fbi so the government responds now and says well the government suggests for the following reasons that you don’t need this stuff they say this information is not relevant they say it’s over broad they say it’s protected by an informant
Privilege you don’t get access to that anyways it says the government will review the material and then internally decide if the material is discoverable and they say well it’s also voluminous right there’s a lot of discovery it’s like oh there’s so much of it
So we don’t need to give it to you so the government says well we have all of that data i mean we of course we have the special agent cell phone records but we don’t want to give it to you it’s not relevant it’s too broad it’s already protected
Information and it’s too much it’s it’s voluminous so what we’ll do is we’ll take a look at it at the fbi we’ll let you know if you need it and we’ll give it to you well the defense says no not now we’re not going to do that that doesn’t sound good
That’s a pretty bad deal so we actually do want this specifically the defense is asking the court to order the production of this stuff all communication between special agent impala and chambers and dan regarding this investigation so you see that they’re narrowing this down the government says oh no it’s too
Voluminous it’s you’re asking for way too much and they say no it’s not too much we just want a couple things just the messages between impala and chambers regarding this investigation as well as dan’s communication between himself and anyone else regarding this investigation whether it’s encrypted on chat or
Facebook direct or text messages or photos or any other thing else regarding this investigation so we don’t need an entire phone dump or an extraction we don’t need it all it’s not over broad it’s not too voluminous it’s not it’s not lacking in specificity it’s exactly what what we need
So go get it for us now the government is responding and saying well it says that we have not provided enough evidence to demonstrate a need for that information government says well you really haven’t explained why you need it or you haven’t really met your burden
The only thing you offer is an exchange between an informant and an agent yeah so what they talked so what so what the special agents had a conversation with dan doesn’t matter council stands by his motion defense counsel says that dan the secret agent or the undercover person is
The center of all activity and that the agents are pushing dan to actively recruit and entice people into a conspiratorial agreement dan is at the heart of the case and they say fundamental fairness says we got to get access to that they referenced an old case that said that when disclosure
Of an informer’s identity or the contents of his communication is relevant it’s essential that the privilege that protects the informant give way and that the defendant get the benefit so the government comes out here and says well dan uh you know yeah i mean he was
Involved in this but you don’t need any of that information he’s just an informant it’s just an agent they’re just having conversations about this and by the way if you want access to that too bad it’s privileged because of informant privilege well the defense comes back out and says by the
Way dan happens to be the center person of this agreement and it’s not like you guys were having conversations about lunches or where you were going to meet up incidentally to the underlying conspiracy this was the entire conspiracy the fbi according to this defense attorney was specifically recruiting dan or or
Coaching dan to recruit other people to be a part of the conspiracy so dan was an agent of the fbi which is essentially a treatment it would be like an fbi agent going and actively recruiting and enticing people to commit a crime they would not have otherwise done
The fbi is not doing it they’re using dan to do it and the defense is saying we need that we need that information because that implicates the entire fbi the government of course is oh no you don’t need that it’s a fishing expedition this is all too voluminous
Defense attorney comes back out and says listen we have already provided ample support for this original discovery motion but we’re happy here to provide even more evidence in further support of this motion goes on as described more below in detail council has found even further text messages from fbi handlers this is big
Demonstrating that the fbi asked dan to destroy his text messages and then lie to pete musico founder of the wolverine watchmen and accuse an innocent individual as being an undercover federal agent spying on mr musico okay one more time we have the fbi now is communicating to dan
Special agents this is the allegation going out to dan and dan is now going and recruiting other people when dan goes and has a conversation with some of of the wolverine watchmen they get concerned that maybe somebody’s working with the feds and the fbi agents tell the fbi fed informants
To blame somebody else okay the text message between dan and s.a and paula this is a pdf council does not have the native data council continues to believe these text messages was inadvertently disclosed can you see that as the government continues to oppose disclosure of these communications so the lying government accidentally
Gave them these text messages the red redacted located on the text message was applied by counsel and blocks dan’s full name and phone number that are contained on the unredacted text meaning that the defense got this material unredacted because the prosecution just missed it they went through all of their evidence
And they would disclose some of it and then keep some of it behind the curtain then this got disclosed defense attorneys look into it they say oh my gosh you know they didn’t even redact it so they just didn’t see it and it ends up in the defense attorney’s hands
Their lies we’re going to look at them here all defense counsel in this case have had dan’s personal information for many months the text message reads as follows you’ll notice redacted so we have dan who’s responding to one of the fbi agents says getting it now fbi agent responds thanks what’s the
Schedule for tonight dan says continue live fire shoot house we’re going back to the hotel tonight i think i’m going to get pressed what’s he talking about he’s gonna get pressed by joe pete musico they talked to paul two weeks ago they’re thinking i’m a fed
So the people who are part of the watchmen wolverines or whatever they think that dan this guy is a fed dan says to the fbi agent i’ve got a handle on it don’t worry fbi agent says shoot you’re going to be okay how did this happen be sure to delete these talking about
These text messages right this is from an fbi agent telling an informant cover up your messages dan says i’ve been good it’s all good pete and him just being crazy paul told him i’m good fbi agent says copy best thing to do is deny and accuse somebody else like trent
Pick on trent here yes sir i have croft coming to my coming to me to train ty’s place says yes sir fbi agent says well cover this up and uh blame somebody else you’re not the the person responsible here incriminate somebody else which is passing liability right so what if they say oh
Well they’re the feds so we’re gonna go kill that person then or we’re gonna go abuse that person here’s this broken down a little bit more the text thread states that joe morrison and pete they talked to paul they believed that paul and dan were federal agents
So fbi says you’re gonna be okay be sure to delete these things joe morrison pete musico and paul bellar they’re original members of the wolverine watchmen they were charged in michigan state court with multiple felonies so they’re all part of the same deal this is a different case now second says
Copy accuse somebody else like trent defense attorney says well first the special agent is advising dan to delete information on his phone this is another reason that caserta needs the information because other information might have been deleted from dan’s phone on instruction from the fbi so if he’s going to delete these
Messages how many other messages did he delete or have been instructed to be deleted the fbi is just evaporating evidence second impala is telling the fbi paid informant to lie and to implicate someone else as a federal agent fbi delivers the patsy trent dan dutifully responds yes sir ready and
Willing to follow orders trent is known to counsel happens to be a real human being who you’re going to be putting in harm’s way trent was on the outskirts of the wolverine watchman not charged in any crimes so they’re going to bring in a completely innocent person into this
Hasn’t been charged with anything fbi telling its paid agent dan to put a target on trent’s back specifically directing dan to tell pete somebody like trent is spying on pete a special agent from the fbi knew about this very issue in the state preliminary examination and guess what he claimed
Not to know about it so he lied about it question from the defense attorney who’s a amazing says and your testimony was that you’re not aware of anyone in the watchmen club claiming that mr belar was in fact an informant or a fed do you recall that testimony says i do
Is that still your testimony today says yeah it is s impala denied knowledge of this issue even though he texted dan to delete his text messages okay because he says that you were not aware of anyone claiming that he was an informant or a fed yeah not aware still your testimony
Today yeah not aware uh wrong because we see in your text messages that you were you accuse someone like trent of being a federal agent at the jackson preliminary exam impala was then impeached with an fbi report written by his partners s.a chambers so another fbi agent indicating complete coverage of this issue
This is not the first time that the special agent has had trouble telling the truth under oath impala was formally accused of twice committing perjury about a month before this investigation began by a former prosecutor assistant u.s attorney after being confronted with proof that he was aware of the
Issue he conceded knowledge so before we get there he lied under oath already twice committed perjury about a month before this investigation s a impala still on the force still investigating people and now now directly coaching fbi agents to delete their text messages and then to blame other
Innocent people who are not even a part of the underlying allegations to pin it on them fbi agent right now after being confronted with the proof that he was aware of this issue he finally conceded knowledge he already lied about this in court but says okay
So uh one of one of either of you or your partner wrote that talking about his partner’s and you would agree with me uh here this synopsis reads that musico then video called chs which is dan multiple times musico potted i’m i’m assuming that the position the theory that the
Confidential informant was the fed paul peller was the informant you and then he also talked about other individuals so on september 5th of 2020 it’s clear from this that members of the watchmen think that mr bellar may be some kind of informant correct no that’s not correct that’s not correct
When you say members of the watchmen this is an individual conversation with pete so it’s pete’s opinion who’s one of the leaders of the watchmen correct yes he says at the same hearing impola recalled the story that musico had told he says so pete musico told members of the group
That in the past he’d been pulled over for speeding he obtained officers names found out where he lives done surveillance of that officer’s house thrown a molotov cocktail at the house and decided he decided not to shoot the officer when he did that the fbi here this officer says
This this defense lawyer says the fbi is instructing a paid fbi informant to lie and to paint an innocent citizen as an undercover federal agent to a man they claim is the head of a domestic terrorist organization they claim he’s paranoid about being infiltrated by the feds who they claim
Has bragged about tossing a molotov cocktail into the police officer’s house this behavior evidenced by the conversations between the fbi cast a dark shadow over the credibility of this investigation demonstrates the need for immediate disclosure clearly this information is relevant to the defense and the government should
Not be allowed to decide whether we get it or not council has eleven hundred pages of documents had those for a long time dan was on every chat every indicted defendant before the court he was on encrypted chat social media text messages otherwise with defendants that are now
Charged in state courts dan was everywhere dan to the extent that his information was destroyed at the direction of the fbi the defense needs all of that regarding the investigation the defense needs this material at this point is self-evident it’s for the purposes of the entrapment defense it’s for the purpose of the
Credibility of the government witnesses and it questions the government methods and tactics infuriating when therefore we request all this stuff give us all the information between all the special agents and dan all of the facebook direct messages text messages photos videos and other things signed off on here by michael d
Hills who is out in kalamazoo michigan over at hillslaw office dot com outstanding work from michael hills defense lawyer doing very good work there let’s take a look at some questions or some super chats i think some of them may have come in we’re gonna see what we’ve got over at watchingthewatchers.locals.com
Have a couple questions here fbi’s trash says that the fbi creates half the terrorist plots and it can only entrap people for terrorism that is from the fbi’s trash we have here yummy yum says huh i can’t read that one now it’s uh that’s an inappropriate one
Kind of funny though sergeant bob says i am relieved since the feds were involved we can rest assured that the kidnap was planned to exploit gretchen for sexual purposes that’s right i wonder if gretchen whitmer has ptsd like aoc does because she also thought that she was going to be sexually assaulted
For some reason fbi is back in the house says the fbi is trying to entrap people to cover it up they would use signal with disappearing messages for communication also robert you should get the stream lab donations where you get more money you can punish susan and the people
And the so yeah so we could do that it’s just a lot of i don’t want to split it up between a number of different platforms but i get i thank you for your suggestion i also would would agree right if the fbi is using those encrypted platforms they could get away
With a lot of different things can’t they sergeant bob is here says i have come to love the big beautiful spotlight you have successfully implanted the chip into a retired cop’s brain well done well sergeant bob that’s all part of the master plan right it’s a long it’s a it’s a game
Of inches just every little day just like it’s that that that jingle your head i can never get it out of there it’s working now actually people don’t like that some people don’t like that i’ve gotten some feedback on the beautiful spotlight and they say rob
It’s kind of goofy you know you’re not a goofy guy you’re sort of a serious guy what are you doing and i say well we have to shine it so we have to say it it’s part of the show it’s just how it has to be sorry if you don’t like it
Thunder 7 says this is unbelievable rob but not surprising because the fbi are the criminals whether it’s whitmer gate obama gate january 6 gate they no longer have any credibility too woke and too corrupt to be reformed yeah they’ve lost a lot of credit credibility in the last
Last years certainly ny renal md says exploitation exfoliation of evidence robert have agents erased text messages remember it’s not the weight of the evidence it’s the seriousness of the charge we need a special prosecutor i agree i think this is so so heinous and if this is actually true
If they did actually get this evidence uh through an inadvertent disclosure and the prosecutor’s office saw this and they didn’t disclose it or anything more like this that should be such a serious repercussion against those prosecutors i can’t even begin to tell you how angry that makes me but it
Wouldn’t surprise me for a minute we have here lorenzo greasy bottom says there’s a lot of reasons these fbi guys need to be arrested but the main reason is for stopping uh lorenzo i can’t read that i gotta be extra careful with your your questions
Uh for for for uh we’re gonna leave it at that the last villain says sounds right dems outsourcing their insidious plan to others we can’t wait is that is that i think that’s no that’s in this one we can’t mandate but businesses can we can’t subvert free speech but social
Media can we can’t go against the supreme court but the cdc can we can’t get these trump people to stay in their place but the fbi can we can’t win that election but thank you for uh following the youtube rules there the last villain but you’re absolutely right
Trump’s on hannity tonight hurry up rob that’s from want to know we’ve got one more segment there we’re gonna have to i guess pick up the pace if you’re trying to catch uh trying to catch that over on youtube let’s see what we’ve got we had some
Super chats come in satch is here such i think is over on uh locals too i think such had a very good comment on locals if you missed that but says hey rob all the coveted mandates have been discussing really hit close to home today my girlfriend is a healthy young
Woman who is now being forced to get the vaccine or she will be terminated what can we do it’s a great question you know on these issues i have been referring all of these questions to a local employment lawyer here in arizona so i would do that if it is in arizona uh
Send me an email or or shoot me a message and i’ll tell you who that is but if it’s not in arizona i would reach out to a local employment lawyer and if you just kind of google that you’ll probably see a couple lawyers who are at
The forefront of this right some lawyers are really sinking their teeth into this as they should and they’re seeing this as an opportunity to go serve people they’re saying a lot of people are going to have problems with this i can help them through this and they’re going to talk to you about
Different exemptions and different contractual obligations and different safety obligations that are applicable under your local environment right in your local context and so that’s because there’s so many different jurisdictions it’s hard for me to uh to offer anything more substantive than that i would certainly reach out to a
Local attorney probably charge you a couple hundred bucks for a valuation which i think is absolutely worth it in that case uh consider it a medical exam right something like that because that’s unfortunately what this is turning into uh that was from such patrick thank you
Such for that very nice support we have patrick here says how about the fbi arresting the guy who exposed omar for immigration fraud by marrying her brother the dna evidence shows and exposed her i saw that headline i think wasn’t the dna like swabbed from a cigarette butt from her
So the story is that ilhan omar married her brother allegedly right don’t want to say stuff that is not true and then some group did a report where they actually went and they got a dna sample from a cigarette butt and also from her alleged husband and they compared the
Two and apparently they’re related according to that headline but i don’t know that for a fact so go read that we have eddie says you know rob it’s not paranoia if they really are after you forget the alamo remember waco yeah in texas yeah good point there eddie oliver thank
You for that support and for chiming in here we have a couple we have one more here from locals says uh john halgreen says the modern fbi is so disappointing as a young man my home was raided by the fbi the agents were very nice and careful to
Respect our rights so weird to see this behavior by law enforcement i like thank you john for that john helps me out by putting in uh the the necessary turns a phrase or pauses or articulation emphasis on the the the reading of the comments which is great
Because i need a little variety on this thank you john please continue it we have eddie oliver is also chiming in says you know this case is weird we are like a bunch of insurrectionists being charged with nothing but trespassing weird yeah same fbi yeah kind of a bunch of nothing burger there
A lot of malfeasance a lot of open questions a lot of discovery problems them not wanting to hand over evidence that the defense is entitled to weird same fbi agent same fbi uh department right the same fbi in both cases uh brody z says tweak the info for your propaganda yeah
So tweak the info for your propaganda that’s for brody z don’t he might be talking about my propaganda and i’m always looking for tweakings for tweaks yeah i’m always looking to improve so i’m open to suggestions all right those were great questions all from watchingthewatchers.locals.com and tremendous support from youtube as
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