INDOCTRINATION HE SAW THERE. HE’S THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK — HE JOINS US TONIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING ON. SO, NASA YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE ONE BRANCH AGENCY THAT WOULD BE IMMUNE FROM THE EQUITY MISSION. THAT YOU SERVED IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR A LONG TIME, WERE
YOU UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT NASA HAD A PROBLEM WITH DISCRIMINATION IN YEARS PAST? >> I DON’T KNOW, TOOK IT TO THINGS FIRST OFF FOR HAVING ME ON YOUR SHOW. AS ALWAYS, I DON’T SPEAK FOR THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, BUT I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I DON’T THINK THAT ANY OF OUR
INSTITUTIONS AT THIS POINT ARE IMMUNE FROM THIS IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE PURSUING EQUITY. CLEARLY, THESE ARE HOT TOPICS. DID THE TALKING POINT OF THE DAY — IN FACT, I DO WANT TO DEFINE IT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I KNOW THE DEFINITION OF EQUITY. IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EQUITY AND EQUALITY. ONE OF THEM IS GOOD, AND THE IDEAL APPEARED TO BE THERE GOOD. WE TEND TO CONFUSE THE EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY, AND IDEAL, PART OF PHILOSOPHIES WITH EQUITY. IT’S A NEW TERM, ITS USE WITTINGLY, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS AND FORCED OUT COLUMNS OR ENFORCED ANY QUALITY.
BASED OUT OF WHAT I’VE SEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE IS PERMEATING INSTITUTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND ESSENTIALLY POTENTIALLY ILLEGALLY DISCRIMINATORY POLICY. EQUITY IS NOT GOOD AS IT IS DEFINED, BUT IT SOUNDS GOOD, THAT’S WHY WE USE THE WORD. NASA HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN — I THINK — A SYMBOL OF INCLUSION
AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. NASA IS THE KIND OF ORGANIZATION THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT, AND UNDERSTANDS THAT REGARDLESS OF YOUR BACKGROUND, YOU ARE ABLE TO SHOW UP HERE JUST LIKE IN THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, AND RISE UP BASED ON YOUR MARRIAGE, AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A NAME FOR YOURSELF, TO RISE TO
LEADERSHIP, AND TO DO IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THE COUNTRY. BECAUSE THERE’S A UNIFYING MISSION THAT THESE INSTITUTIONS BELIEVE IN, WHETHER IT’S SPACE EXPLORATION IN THE CASE OF NASA OR DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY AND OUR ALLIES FROM SERIOUS THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE IN THE WORLD. PEOPLE IN UNIFORM, FOR EXAMPLE, RALLY AROUND THAT MISSION, AND
HAVE HISTORICALLY NOT BEEN CAUGHT UP IN THE KIND OF IDENTITY POLITICKING THAT YOU’RE TALKING BOUT THAT I AM HEARING IN YOUR MONOLOGUE. I WILL MAKE ONE POINT TO SAY THAT I THINK ARE SENIOR LEADERS AND OUR NATIONAL LEADERS NEED TO THINK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO
INJECT TRIBALISM INTO OUR LONG TRUSTED INSTITUTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT TYPICALLY HAVE NOT BEEN AFFECTED WITH TRIBAL THINKING, WITH ALL OF THAT ENTAILS. DO WE REALLY WANT TO WALK THE ROAD THAT WILL CAUSE US TO ABANDON MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.’S DREAM OF HAVING A COLORLESS SOCIETY WHERE, IN FACT, WE ARE
STARTING ONCE AGAIN TO JUDGE PEOPLE BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. IMPUGNING GUILT TO OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR GROUP IDENTITY, NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THEY’VE EVER DONE NECESSARILY THEMSELVES, BUT BASED ON WHO THEY ARE ACCIDENTALLY, EVEN. THAT’S A GOOD DEFINITION OF RACISM. WE DON’T IMPUGNING GUILT TO
PEOPLE BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. >> Tucker: AND WE NEVER SHOWED. I ALWAYS IMAGINED THE MILITARY IS THE SHINING BEACON OF WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT WAS A COLOR-BLIND MERITOCRACY. LIEUTENANT COLONEL — >> THE MILITARY IS GREAT AT THAT. THAT’S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE
UPSET ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE HEARING. >> Tucker: AND THEY HAVE
