Benefit analysis when it comes to emissions reductions policies i don’t think they do any analysis at all i mean i i’ve thought recently about guidelines let’s say moral guidelines for determining who should lead you in the face of a potential apocalypse so let’s say just for a moment that the
Climate alarmists are correct even though they’re not especially not in their economic modeling but here’s a theory how do you tell a good leader in a time of crisis well if someone is paralyzed into terror by the thought of the impending future and they’re willing to turn into the
Sort of tyrant who will use compulsion and force on others to get them to to comply then you have someone who’s so afraid of that particular dragon that they’ve turned into a petrified tyrant and those aren’t the right people to be leading and there have been careful analysis
Done by people like marion toopey and bjorn lomberg showing that we can chart a pathway forward through whatever climate trouble we’re going to encounter and all the other environmental troubles that we do have to deal with without panicking without using compulsion and force without destroying the farmers and the energy community and without
Impoverishing poor people and it’s just a lack of your lack of forethought you’re absolutely right i mean there are logical ways forward and logic seems to be cast aside i noticed that you’ve noticed from afar what’s going on in australia a similar economy to your own native canada we don’t have the hydro
Resources you have but we have a lot of energy resources including uranium yet we refuse to embrace nuclear that again surely is shunning a rational path forward it’s pretty obvious the eu if i remember correctly in recent weeks has decided that both natural gas and nuclear are now green and anyone with
Any sense who wasn’t rabidly anti-capitalist out of their mind would have figured that out at least 20 years ago you know the americans switched to fracking pretty much at the turn of the millennium and they’ve cut their carbon output by 15 no environmentalist predicted that and nobody seems to be celebrating it
You know we know you want to move the planet forward you move people from dung and wood to coal and from coal to petroleum and from petroleum to some combination of nuclear and renewables we know the pathway forward economically and if you care for poor people the only thing you really care
About is making energy cheap obvious yeah yeah absolutely it’s been the foundation of modern prosperity there are also geostrategic issues here and implications and i want to share with you something that our former prime minister tony abbott said in london this week he asked the question actually should cutting emissions remain the
World’s highest priority when it has the practical effect of making the democracies relatively weaker and the dictatorships relatively stronger this is the reality isn’t it our climate policies hurt us but they’re helping china and russia well they’re hurting us and they’re not helping the planet and they’re as you
Said they’re destabilizing the supply chains and the world order i mean this is it’s absolutely and utterly preposterous and it’s time for centrist liberals and conservatives to take the moral upper hand away from the environmental radicals tell me as a psychologist tell me about what’s going
On here when it comes to group behavior there’s on one hand it seems like a doomsday cult overtaking large parts of the world on the other hand there’s this sort of virtue signaling sanctimony where people are pretending that they’re saving the planet well i don’t think you also want to
Underestimate the degree to which venal and narcissistic political types who are cowards tend to govern purely by the whim of the the public as sampled by half-wit opinion polls i mean we know in canada for example that the kovid lockdowns and the travel bans were almost implemented
Entirely on the basis of opinion polls and then blamed on the science and the same thing is exactly happening on the environmental front people are rightly concerned about environmental sustainability and politicians who are in it for the narcissism and who are not very well informed are willing to pander to the
Worst fears of the of the populace and that’s not what a representative democracy is supposed to do you know we are able to innovate faster than we are consuming so marion toopey in his new book super abundance has calculated that every baby born now will produce seven times as many
Resources as they will consume and you might think well that’s preposterous it’s like no it’s not since i was a kid we’ve doubled the planet’s population and everyone is way richer and the globalist apocalyptic utopians say well that’s not sustainable it’s like so what are you going to do are you going to
Kill off 2 billion people because you think there’s too many people on the planet and you don’t think that’s reprehensible beyond comprehension it is extraordinary but we need liberal democracies to start waking up to this there’s no sign of that in australia at the moment there’s no sign of that in
The uk or in north america the dutch fame farmers are they a hint of what’s to come well they’re a peaceful hint of what’s to come sri lanka is more of a hint of what’s to come or germany where they’re rationing energy or the uk where they
Expect power bills to hit 5 000 pounds a year next year that’s like 15 percent of people’s net income this is not a good idea and you know if it was possible that it would do anything positive on the environmental front maybe you could make
A case for it but there’s no bloody way that impoverishing a quarter of the world’s population which is exactly what high energy prices and high food prices are going to do there’s just no possible way forward to a sustainable garden under those conditions as you say jordan peterson it is so
Obvious but so many people are falling for this charade at the moment it’s great to talk to you i look forward to catching up in person when you’re in australia in november i’m very much looking forward to it and hopefully we’ll all be able to develop something approximating a more positive
Vision to help people see a way forward through you know to economic prosperity for the absolutely poor and to a sustainable planet i think we can have our cake and eat it too great stuff thank you jordan you bet good to talk to you man jordan peterson they’re very passionate
About a logical approach to any environmental and climate change issues
