Lose tweet comes as the cdc has finally acknowledged the strong protection people have after being infected with covid known as natural immunity the scientists found that after delta became prevalent natural immunity was more protective against infection than vaccination well here in d.c vaccine and mass mandates are still in effect despite
Declining case numbers and high vaccination rates some restaurants in the city are laying their livelihoods on the line in defiance of the mandates one example was the big board a veteran-owned restaurant here in the district who had their liquor license revoked as punishment for violation of public health guidelines now while
Attending a fundraiser for the bar sands alcohol sadly i saw a familiar face there our next guest senator rand paul the senator has been publicly against the mandates and joins us now to discuss further welcome senator glad to be with you yep anything i can do to help a business that wants
To resist uh ridiculous government edicts i’m all in and it’s kind of sad i mean they took their liquor license within a couple of hours and then padlocked the building and the next day i mean it’s it is really disappointing and really not based on any science at
All i’m of the opinion if you look carefully at all of the different mandates that nothing nothing that man did other than vaccination altered the course of the disease i do think vaccination and also natural immunity together are gradually building up immunity and that the virus is slowly weakening as well
But i don’t think plexiglass masks six feet of distance i don’t think any of these things change their trajectory nor do i think there’s good evidence that any government mandates actually change the incidence of the disease well and i’ve been very heartened to see really in just the last few days i’m starting
To see democratic officials public health commentator people start to be more much more open to actually getting rid of these mandates that dr liana wen said the other day well that now the science has changed i’m not sure the science actually has changed much in the
I don’t think there’s a lot new in the past few months but are you relieved at least to hear that you know now they are saying okay well we can’t do the the mandates forever it is it’s evidence that this is spreading beyond a republican democrat thing that now you actually have
Democrat governors and i think they’re hearing the pushback they’re getting the pushback from moms and dads in schools and also it just it is absurd i mean since the very beginning if you’re wearing a loose-fitting cloth mask it’s going around the mask if not through the mask it’s going around the mask even
Better masks often are almost impossible to keep a perfect seal on and for a two-year-old a four-year-old a five-year-old to do this is you know very much impossible you’re on a plane they let you take it off for 15 minutes to eat i mean so really there’s never
Been any good science on any of these edicts um you want good evidence that it can spread on a plane that mormon missionary plane that went to the south pacific island everybody was negative when they got on the plane when they landed 42 out of 54 people were positive
So guess what with a mask on a plane for a long time yes it’ll probably spread there as well but the good news is it’s mutated to a less dangerous form and now what we should be emphasizing is treatment i’m a big believer that early treatment can save lives and i think the
Government particularly government advisors like fauci have been really largely negligent in promoting treatment and the idea that treatment needs to be done before a certain period of time i mean if you wait 10 days most of the treatments don’t wait very well if you wait till your oxygenation is
Below 90 and you’re about to have to go in the ventilator most of the treatments don’t work very well but there are several treatments out there that even the mass majority of the medical community accepts but you got to get them early and this should be the public
Service we should telling people if particularly if you’re over 55 over 65 or overweight at any age that as you’re getting sicker in the first couple of days if you’re developing a significant cough and you think you may have pneumonia you need to get in and see your doctor because there are treatments
The monoclonal antibodies 80 to 90 reduction in hospitalization if you get them early and senator you’ve had this high profile back and forth with dr fauci for a long time and on on this show even going from left to right and even going back to the previous hosts we’ve been awfully
Critical a lot a lot of what dr fauci has done but but i’m curious from your perspective as you look back at his tenure over the last couple years what would you say that dr fauci has has done well very little because i think he represents uh central planning and the
Same way central planning doesn’t work for an economy doesn’t work for uh medical advice or medical dictates um i tell people to imagine that he were a family doctor in peoria and that he’d be less dangerous or less harmful because you could choose to go to another doctor
When you centralize the authority in one person and he essentially is that person his dictates permeate throughout the whole economy and so any of his mistakes are magnified throughout the uh throughout the rest of the world the biggest mistake he made is i think actually a purposeful one so it’s not
Really a mistake or an error and that is on protective immunity from getting the disease naturally and i think if you were being honest with us i truly believe that he knows that protect the protection from natural immunity but he discounts it because he thinks it would be a disincentive to people getting
Vaccinated even on that i think he’s wrong because if i were to try to encourage people to get vaccinated i would tell them this if you came to me and you were hesitant to get vaccinated i would say look the vaccine if you take it you’re going to be 20
Times less likely to go to the hospital if you have a vaccine if you’ve already had the infection 55 times less likely to go to the hospital they both work so why don’t we test you to see if you’ve had the disease if you’ve had the disease you can feel sure assure that
You really don’t need a vaccine and i think that’s true he’s unwilling to say that if you haven’t had the disease i think personally if i were in practice i could convince people that it’d be in their best benefit to get vaccinated if they haven’t had the disease because
The vaccine reduces your hospitalization 20 times but short of that it’s actually the opposite if you tell me all the vaccines work and the mass work and i’m this independent cuss and i listen to you and i don’t believe you i may get even further afield and say i
Don’t believe the vaccine works at all so i think because he’s been dishonest on things where people absolutely know the protective nature of the infection because he’s lied about that and been dishonest he’s actually discouraged people and made the belief or the ability to believe that in the veracity
Of what the government’s telling you he’s actually damaged the the institution of government and really damaged the idea that vaccines are good for you because he’s lied on so many other things so i guess it didn’t really tell you what he had trouble getting to what he actually did well sorry but uh
And on the flip side of that one thing that has really uh has been troubling for me throughout this is the idea that once you’re vaccinated you can’t get the disease and a lot of people i’ve even seen in my own just anecdotal you know inner circle that i believe that well
I’m vaccinated so i can’t get covet and then they get covet and they don’t believe they have coveted for once so they’re going around thinking they’ve just got a regular cold and they’re not really taking precautions but then two i know people who have you know they’re
Older and so they have ended up slightly more severe and they they weren’t willing to get those early treatments early on because they thought well no i’m vaccinated so i’m totally safe and so i think that that messaging has caused a lot of problems in both directions for sure one
Thing i want to ask you though about that in regards to natural immunity is that a lot of people uh you know from my understanding the antibodies wear off so if we’ve got guys like ted liu who happens to be my district rep um you know and i’m living in la where
There’s a lot of restrictions if they if they say natural immunity we’re going to start recognizing it from my understanding the antibodies do wear off but your t cell and your b cell you know all of that still gives you that robust immunity so what are they going to do if
They say okay we’re going to start recognizing it are they going to say now everybody needs to get tested for antibodies and if you because even if you’ve gotten the vaccine they’re saying if you test for antibodies shortly after you might not show any antibodies even if you’ve taken three dozen
I think we could just try freedom for a while and each individual will make their own decision right you know i mean if you want to get vaccinated fine i mean my advice the thing is is mine is just advice if people want to come to me
Or listen to me fine but if you’ve just had it you’ve gotten something better than any booster in the world and no doctors should be telling you to immediately go out and get vaccinated in fact there is some danger to taking a vaccine fairly quickly even the cdc
Admits it there’s some danger to taking a vaccine quickly after you’ve just been infected but omicron basically became nature’s booster and nature’s vaccine the vast majority of people got this and many got it that didn’t even know they had it but there are important things still out there about honesty so for example
There’s a doctor uh vinay prasad who i think is a very very reasonable voice on this he’s looked at the myocarditis in young males age 16 to 24 and without question when you stratify the data there’s a heightened risk maybe as much as 10 to 15 times greater risk of myocarditis
From the vaccine than there is from the disease in young males probably not true in people over 65 but for 16 to 24 but the government through institutions and through universities is pushing that um you your kid can’t be in the university i think princeton yale or university of
Chicago have to have a booster and here is my prediction you can’t sue the vaccine manufacturers but you can sue your college and i hope no child dies from this but should they die after being forced to do something where all of the science recommends against it the interesting thing about myocarditis is
And this is where marty mccary is very reasonable too he says well you know if you really want to get vaccinated one vaccine might be okay for a young person particularly someone’s already had the disease but three the incidence of myocarditis goes up with each successive vaccine so it’s
Completely against the science for a non-fatal disease for a kid this is why what i would do is test them your kid comes in he’s 18 years old should i vaccinate or not i’m against the government completely doing this or the schools but the thing is if you want to
Know is it the best thing for my kid and i’m a worrier he gets sick often should i do it check them for antibodies if they have antibodies there’s absolutely no reason to vaccinate your children if they’ve already had the disease as far as the disease and the immunity waning over time
We do know that the coronavirus sars from 2004 you check people now 17 18 years later they still have immunity and it isn’t only about antibodies and this is why i don’t want to get trapped into saying oh i’m fine with the mandate if you allow for people
With antibodies antibodies do wane over time and this is a natural way for your immune system you get a big burst of antibodies and the reason they don’t stay up here is because every time you get sick if that happened your blood would just be chock full of antibodies that would be gumming
Up the system so we’ve we’ve evolved over time to where antibodies then crest and come down but then we have this miraculous sort of memory it’s in our b cells which make antibodies again but also in our t cells and they actually found that with the spanish flu people
Alive in the last decade in their 90s and over 100 still had immunity to the spanish flu so i think the rule of rule of thumb of nature for the most part is that immunity works it doesn’t always prevent absolutely getting the disease again but then again it is a vaccine but it
Probably in all likelihood lessens the the idea that you’ll get a severe illness if you’ve been previously infected or vaccinated senator before we let you go you know uh i think the school mass mandates that we were hoping to see them finally you know being gotten rid of in a lot of places
Now that’s a local kind of decision to be made in a lot of cases not something the federal government can have tremendous power over but you know what about mass on planes do you think we’re going to be forced to wear mass on planes what for the rest of our lives
The same way that we still have to take off our shoes and our belts and not bring on a water bottle even though that also has no connection to anyone’s safety let’s hope not you know i’ve actually have introduced legislation to try to prevent this mandate from continuing
It’s been such a partisan issue that no democrats have been for it but now look these democrat senators and congressmen are on the plane every week hopefully they’re getting tired of wearing it but there’s still a lot of show i had a nominee for a position come in the other
Day sat in my office and we spoke for 30 40 minutes uh without mass on a couple of feet apart and then when we got up to leave he wanted a picture and he said do you mind if i put my mask on for the picture i said whatever floats your boat you
Know i mean if you want to pass on for your picture go ahead i’m not going to tell you not to but this it is theater i mean look even the the woman on cnn who is a big fouchy loving acolyte who loves all the mandates she now has said cloth
Masks are nothing more than facial decoration and that’s been the truth since the beginning they have known that but what’s really sad is to force people i mean they really have been true this is why it’s hard for me to think of something valche said that is good or did that was
Right because he knows he’s been lying about the mass in the beginning he told the truth in the very beginning no public setting has really and no big trials have ever shown mask in a public setting to work for it for infectious disease for viruses virus-borne diseases and yet
He continues to be dishonest and continue to be dishonest with us but i hope to goodness we can get them off the planes it’s why i keep pushing and pushing and pushing on this because finally people are going to get it that it is just for show you take them off to
Eat and drink and now we have the flight attendants going sir sir you need to put your mask on in between peanuts we’re going to all die here nobody believes that nobody believes it anymore they’ve all been vaccinated if they want to the whole country can get vaccinated they
Want to most of us have already had the disease as well for goodness sakes i’m going to keep pushing until i can have a pleasant ride where they treat me as a customer and uh don’t uh come by and harass you the whole thing i’m i’m so sick of the
Way passengers are treated on planes it’s awful all right and one one real quick question on on afghanistan uh you you’ve said you don’t want the byte administration offering more aid to afghanistan but the same time the administration is holding on to seven billion dollars in in assets that
Belong to the afghan government not releasing them back to the central bank as they as they were before uh do you think that the body administration ought to continue holding on to the afghan assets or ought to release it back to the afghan government it’s probably hard for me to imagine
That something we’re holding is actually an afghan asset we’re giving them 50 billion dollars a year i would think the 7 billion is stuff they owe us but it also wasn’t it’s for a government this is a government that took over in a military junta it’s not a legitimate
Elected government no way in the world would i give them that money and the thing is is we’ve spent billions and billions if not trillions there and i think it’s a big mistake and to reward people look that as much as i was for leaving the taliban agreement they broke every
Bit of the agreement they said they wouldn’t advance and they wouldn’t take cities until we had gone and they did anyway so i think that broke in every agreement we had and uh i would put that money back in the treasury we don’t have it to give
Anyway i mean it’s you know the thing is is all it is is more borrowed money so i wouldn’t give it to them senator paul thank you so much for joining us we really appreciate it thank you we’ll be back with more rising right after this you
