Ordinary lies the lies are so Brazen so aggressive and unending that it’s difficult for a normal person to understand what’s happening 30 years ago for example liberals began to lecture us softly at first and then in an increasingly high volume about tolerance how could you have known then that they
Planned in fact to usher in the most intolerant age in American history they’ve done that now but few people saw it coming we shouldn’t make the same mistake again Liberals are now telling us they plan to protect American democracy and that’s the clearest possible sign that they intend to end it
13 months from this week the United States will hold a national election in a democracy citizens can vote for the candidate of their choice that’s not just a feature it’s the defining fact of the electoral system the people rule they can send anyone they want to Washington because they’re in charge but
This year in the name of protecting democracy liberals have decided to strip Donald Trump’s name from the ballot in States across the country Trump is the front runner in the presidential race he’s currently beating Joe Biden in the polls yet liberals have decided that you should not be allowed to elect him
President that’s not democracy it’s the opposite it’s totalitarianism just this morning Donald Trump appeared in court in New York in a civil case brought by the state’s attorney general that was designed explicitly to keep him out of the White House that case is part of a larger
Legal barrage against Trump that so far includes a total of 91 felony counts every one of them politically motivated but today’s civil case is especially absurd in fact it’s hard to overstate its Ridiculousness in some Trump stands accused of inflating the value of collateral used to secure loans loans
That he has already paid back with interest in other words there is no injured party in this case the biggest banks in the world assessed the risk and they made a profit as they almost always do not a single person was defrauded for this non-crime Trump and his children
Are in the process of losing their homes and their businesses here’s msnbc’s live coverage of the hearing today and as you watch pay special attention to the judge in the case Arthur engoren there you see President Trump uh the former president I should say next to his attorney that’s
Chris kais who we expect to make the opening statements here and then this I judge Andor I guess is a judge andoran there he is the judge mugging like he’s on stage in a middle school play grinning preing for the camera Arthur andoran is thrilled to be on
MSNBC it’s nauseating this is not a legal proceeding this is a grotesque parody of the system that our forefathers created the fairest in the world that in the year since has been seized by power worshippers like Arthur and Goran this is a dangerous moment without a legitimate legal system people will no
Longer follow the law and the country will collapse this is not about Trump this is about preserving the United States of America but Trump is at the center of the story and so today for an overview of what exactly the strategy to prevent Trump from running for president
And to end our current system we turn to Victor Davis Hansen who joins us now Professor thank you very much for joining us thank you for having me Tucker before we get into to the details of the legal assault on Trump which in my view isn’t really about Trump tell us
What you think is that stake here what’s the overview well I I think they’ve come to the conclusion that Trump represented an existential threat and by association all half the country did to their vision of what they want to transform us into and so they feel that any means
Necessary are justified by their Noble spiritual ends and therefore they call it critical legal Theory just essentially Tucker says there’s rules against stealing only because rich people don’t steal and therefore it’s okay to steal and Monet modern monetary Theory says print as much money and eventually rich people will have to pay
Higher taxes or have their 401ks appropriated same thing with a border uh short term everybody’s mad at the border but in dark rooms there’s saying to each other in 10 years everybody’s going to appreciate what we did we brought in 10 to 15 million new constituents so and I
Guess to put it all together they feel that they’re at a stage now where their agenda does not appeal to 51% of the people and they either have to bring in new constituencies or change the system the entire system of which we are cultivated to to retain power and that’s
What they’re willing to do and um there’s no such thing anymore as theft or or lies or any of these things uh because they’re just constructs and they’re just anything that’s useful to gain power is considered legitimate and anything that’s not useful is illegitimate and that’s how they Define
Morality and I think we’re we’re very naive Tucker we don’t realize that we’re in the middle of a revolution we think that we’re still playing within the same Sidelines or parameters and it’s not everything’s under negotiation whether it’s the Senate filibuster the Electoral College New States coming in
The size of Supreme Court voting IDs uh the genders the foundational data of the United States pronoun usage from the trivial to the existential we’re in the middle of a cultural economic political revolution and I think we got to wake up I mean I I suppose the danger is that if
The average person decides that the system is illegitimate it’s not fair it doesn’t have any meaning beyond the political desires of the people administering it then you know what present what prevents the average person from resorting to violence in other words if you have no power if your vote
Means nothing if the system is BS then you know why don’t you take up arms seriously well two things I think have precluded that so far one is I call it the mon St of the mind a lot of people just say you know what I’m checking out
I don’t I don’t want to watch the Oscars I don’t even know what the Tony’s or emies are I don’t watch the NBA I I have nothing to do with Hollywood movies I just created my own reality and the other is and under our federal system we’re having millions of people this is
The greatest Exodus diaspora we’ve ever seen our history where people are fleeing these blue States and blue cities to Red States and they feel that I’m going to recreate America as I once understood it without having anything to do and so far that’s kept us that’s kept
Us sort of viable but they for them that’s not enough It’s never enough to have 2 million illegal entrance or 3 million they got to have eight or nine or 10 it’s not enough that Joe Biden is corrupt it’s not enough that he’s non- compos mes it’s not enough that his
Agenda doesn’t make sense he’s got a you’ve got to accept more and more of him and I think they keep pushing the envelope and these safety valves that I just mentioned I don’t know if they’re going to be enough already but right now I think there’s one last effort on the
Part of conservatives are going to say you know what we’re going to speak up as we’ve never spoken up before we’re not we’re going to go after Target we’re going to go after Disney we’re going to say that we’re going to go after the three gender movement and we’re going to
Try to win this election we’re going to try to win the house we’re going to try the rep win the representative we just have to unite behind and we’ll see if that works I’m really afraid everybody says democracy is in danger but I think if they feel that they have the majority
Of the people and I think the majority of the people are uh against this Progressive you uh jacoban agenda and they still can’t find power then we’re going to be in New Territory but we’re in new territory now and so there are legitimate efforts to rectify and stop
This madness and let’s see what happens in 2024 but I don’t think it works anymore just to migrate to a red state or to drop out of the popular culture you’ve got to get control of the political apparatus of the country through elections and if and your worry
Is legitimate if you can’t do it through Fair elections and what do you do so I think this election I know everybody says that that each election is Paramount but this one is very important because we’re in the middle of a revolution and it’s our only Avenue to a counterrevolution to return to
Normality what what would you say to the people who stopped paying their cable bill and moved to Florida and feel like everything’s fine because their neighborhood is fine what why is that a bad strategy dropping out and moving because they can find you and by that I
Mean Florida or Tennessee or living in Texas is a great Advantage than living in California or Michigan or Oregon or Washington or Maryland but eventually the federal government is not satisfied to leave you alone and so when you go on your Google search it will be calibrated
By an algorithm to make sure that you have results that don’t represent reality and we’re in a federal system where we have $33 trillion in debt and there’s only three ways to get out of it you either have to inflate all of our in curency which we’re trying to do I
Suppose or we’re going to have to appr appropriate Capital which they’ve talked about you know giving credit to Social Security years by taking 401K money or you’re going to have to renounce the debt and that’s going to affect all of us and I don’t need to mention that a
Lot of this crime is going across state lines and you can be in Red State Texas and the federal government can say you can’t protect the Texas border or maybe could it can redefine the American Border as the border with Oklahoma and T Texas you’re not sending your illegals
Northward but you’re not going to be able to stop them coming into your state because we’ve targeted you for radical demographic change so it’s a stop Gap s stop Gap Sanctuary but it shouldn’t lull us into the idea that that it’s a solution the solution is to take back
The Congress to ensure the Supreme Court is a traditional Supreme Court and to win the presidency but unfortunately the Republican party which we all look to I don’t look to very much anymore has lost seven out of the last eight popular votes hasn’t won 51% since George HW
Bush did it by bringing in Lee Atwater in 1988 then we decided we don’t want to ever win that way again it was too ugly they thought so they I guess the idea in the National level is to win uh to lose nobly and and never to win ugly but
We’ve got to change that attitude because we’re dealing with people that are not Democratic liberals in the way that we used to define them as Bill Clinton or Harry Truman or JFK this is a new generation of as I said Jacobin and they believe that any means necessary
Are Justified morally to achieve their morally Superior aims what what what happens if Democrats win the presidency in 2024 if they win the presidency that means they’ll keep the Senate and they’ll probably take back the house and then I would expect that we would see another 10 or 15
Million uh illegal immigrants come across the border and uh there would be efforts to confine those immigrants from going to Northern cities they would stop them somehow I would assume that we would uh we would probably have advisors in Ukraine and that would be that would be charitable I think people really do
Want to intervene in Ukraine with with us Manpower I would assume that what we see in the big cities crime wise would extend but it would also in extend in the Civil the Civil sphere as we see with Donald Trump that lawsuit that you mentioned is very important Tucker
Because it shows you that critical legal theory is not happy just to let people rans sack uh Smash and grab carjacking without consequences they really do want to go after private Capital uh in the Civil sector and they will start filing lawsuits as you wouldn’t believe and I
Think we’d also expect that the FBI the CIA the doj would have a referendum I guess they would think the election was a referendum on them and they’re free to do what they have been doing but at an accelerated rate so I think it would be a disaster and I think racial relations
Would get a lot worse as well they’re getting bad now once we gave up the idea of ecumenicalism and turned to racial essentialism is what the Democrat ratic party is forced down everybody’s throat so it’s it’s going to be scary if they if they win because that means they’ll
Probably take the house and the Cong the entire Congress and there won’t be any there won’t be any redress of grievances I don’t see it but I don’t think they will because they don’t have any popular support every single one of Joe Biden’s issues economy crime energy foreign
Policy the Border he’s pulling 30 or 40% and the only way they’re retaining power is through the legal system and the administrative State and our institutions media Entertainment Sports um education K through 12 universities and it’s kind of an artificial way of getting power without popular consent that’s why I think you
Were right on when you said they don’t believe in democracy in fact oped writers in the New York Times will say that now that democracy is a flawed idea because it doesn’t doesn’t it doesn’t any longer re U ensure the result that they have to have like good Bolshevik or
Good Jacobin they eventually always turn on elections they don’t W want them and so we’ll see it’s going to be a very explosive I hope everybody can keep their head because I think the next 12 to 18 months are going to be the most explosive in our history since the Great
Depression do you think Trump is leading now um what do you think would happen if 11 months from now um Trump was still leading yeah well we’re on chartered we have no idea about this election Tucker because first of all we’ve never had a president running against an
Ex-president number one number two we’ve never had an incumbent president that is utterly corrupt like Joe Biden and has lost all of his or most of his cognitive facilities and is very unpopular and yet we’ve never had a challenger who has been the victim of lawfare and is facing
91 indictments and every time people say they wouldn’t dare do this Fanny Willis wouldn’t dare LTA James is just an absurd prosecut she wouldn’t dare Alvin brag is a buffoon he wouldn’t dare Jack Smith is a partisan every time people say that they do and so I don’t know if
There’s a strategy to keep Donald Trump either out of a gag order or out of confinement at morago or out of jail so you can see where we’re headed to where Joe Biden isn’t really a a viable president anymore he’s a construct he’s being used
By the hard left by the Obamas and the Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders Squad wi of the democratic party and it’s getting to the point of character so you put all of those things together and add in a Camella Harris that frightens everybody because because we’ve never had such an
Incompetent vice president I think and one so unfit to be president and there the every all bets are off it’s it’s like putting a a group all sorts of ingredients of explosiv into a kind of device and it’s going to blow up I think somehow but I don’t think uh we can
Predict what’s going to happen it’s just too volatile I think the left feels that they want to push the the envelope they want to take the leading Republican candidate and they want to create charges against him which they know they would have never lodged had he just said
I don’t want to run for president they would let him alone so these are patently political and they want to destroy him psychologically financially and of course politically and they think they can get away with it without a push back and we’ll see and the other I think the other
Candidates are going to be I don’t know what their what their line should be Tucker but I think it should be if you want to vote for me I am going to be viable and I’m going to make sure that they never do to Donald Trump what
They’re doing now and I’m in a better position to help Trump than he is that’s the only I think legitimate argument to make uh that that this involves everybody and if you’re going to run for president and you feel that you embrace the magga agenda you should say that I
Will not be in jail I won’t be exposed as to the same degree and if I can survive I will change the system and make sure Donald Trump is exonerated and never and no one else has to face this but otherwise it’s it’s going to be a very complex bizarre baffling period I
Don’t think the founders had this is their worst nightmare 20232 24 I don’t even think you’d have to support Trump’s agenda or Trump the man to see this as an assault on a centuries old system that’s worked better than any other other and I and I wonder why almost nobody in
Washington seems to see that or be willing to say it out loud yeah the only question I have about that is I don’t know why they did not go to the same extremes they did go to extremes uh against McCain and Romney Etc but there was something about Trump
His personality that was in a front to the B Coastal standard of I don’t know what they thought was acceptable or desirable or it was his agenda when they looked at the particular magga agenda and they said my God we have sizable investments in China and they are a
Partner they’re not an existential threat this is really scary or we have this idea of global global ecumenicalism we can’t have a border anymore and this guy wants to bring back a border or we have this idea that how we look or race is essential not incidental to who we
Are and he would want to bring back this crazy Melting Pot and destroy the entire woke movement so I I think it did represent to them a def con one and they said we can’t have this and it would have been all right Tucker had he been a
Third party Ross perau they dealt with people like that in the past and they’d already been able to handle them but he won the Republican nomination got elected and now he wants to to be back and they just said we don’t we’re going to do everything we POS possible and
We’re going to even reject our prior Democratic liberal Heritage of you know ACLU free speech and transparency and the church committee investig all of that’s off the table we don’t want to do any of that anymore we’re going to do anything necessary to destroy this guy’s vision and the other candidates who
Share his vision because if we don’t we’re going to go back to an America that we didn’t like when it was there we don’t like now we sure as hell don’t want it to be an America in the future like that I I I think even people who are
Skeptical of the claim that the last election was unfair or rigged have concluded that it was in fact unfair um and the federal agencies got involved in a partisan way it was not a free and fair election given that that system is still in place you think it’s possible
For a Republican or Trump specifically to get elected in 2024 it’s very difficult what left did was absolutely brilliant Tucker they They seized on this cydney pow Lynn wood Kraken Dominion voting machines as representative of all of the the questions about the election when most people said the election was lost on by
The time we got to election day yeah because 70% of the voters had voted not on Election Day and that never happened in American history it was always 30% absentees 70% in most States on election day but they systematically used CO as an excuse and went into about nine
States and changed the voting laws and I mean by that that the error rate for mail and ballots dropped exponentially as the rejection rate did as they were swarmed by them and they were bragging about it Mark zukerberg was bragging about spending $419 million to absorb the work of Precinct workers in key
States Molly ball as you remember in that time essay just gushed about how they had outsmarted these stupid conservatives and they had coordinated the Chamber of Commerce the street people antifa Etc to modulate the demonstrations and to suppress free speech and you know when Twitter is
Being controlled by the FBI to the tune of $3 million being paid off for their their own contractors to suppress streets or Google is manipulating searches and ads and everything that’s what destroyed the the viability of a fair election it was done before election day and we were all asleep or
Some of us I know you were yelling about it I was trying to yell about it but we couldn’t get through to anybody that they would be that audacious or that successful nobody thought they were capable of that and yet they were so why is why have Republicans in
Washington done nothing meaningful to fix any of that I I think the traditional answer to that is probably accurate that there’s a culture that is created and it’s kind of a a lose nobly avoid winning ugly profit both financially and psychologically the status quo and they and they feel that
Their own constituents some of the Republican constituents are kind of out there and an embarrassment to the type of culture and environment that you know that they operate in in Washington and so the the sense is I’m not going to be too affected by the left-wing takeover
Because I I know I can make the necessary adjustments in a way that my constituents can’t and so I think there’s a sometimes in the case of somebody like Mitch McConnell it can be overt but in other cases it’s pretty clear as well and that’s been going on
For a long time and the problem we having now is that you need leaders who are trying to tell people we are in a jackan takeover this country and the old get along at any cost does not work and uh I don’t think people want that disruption in their comfortable eyes in
Washington I mean if you say to somebody in the Republican establishment you got to break up the FBI You’ got to take the headquarters and put it in Kansas City and farm out the dis divisions to other cabinet posts to prevent that concentration of very dangerous power
You’ve got to do do something with the CIA you’ve got to do something with the doj we got to have massive legal reforms I don’t think they’re up to that I really don’t I don’t think they’re up to being trashed in the The Washington Post or the New York Times or not being
Invited to a particular guest spot on a network news or being shunned by NPR and PBS they they’re just not up to that or having their books trash by uh book reviewers on the left they don’t want that there’s a few that do and uh
But until we get a lot of people who say you know you on the left culturally have nothing that I want and so when you hate us and call me names and you lie about I I take that as a badge of honor I don’t
Try to provoke you I want to get along with you but you have no cultural influence over me anymore and I’m going to be an advocate for returning to the country to the principles upon which it was founded I think that’s what people want to hear and I think in 20 24
They’ll hear that and they’re going to have to each person according to their station Tucker stand up write give money to to the cause uh write letters the paper volunteer to work at precincts uh monitor what the left is doing with Mal uh mailin ballots and you’re starting to
See that Grassroots interest but the question is will it be in time and of a magnitude that will stop this so to the hearing today uh in New York the civil case against Trump my read of it is that it’s it’s ridiculous the premise is absurd am I missing
Something is there any Merit do you think just as objectively as you can to this suit well I mean in the in the larger sense no because you can ask yourself two questions would latita James and the people who were doing this would they have done it if Donald Trump on January
7th said conditions have changed I’m now not going to run for office I think the answer is no and then the second thing do are some of the Giants of New York finance and real estate do they operate in a way that is completely different than Donald Trump they never overvalue
An an asset and I think the answer is no and then the third question might be now that you picked on Donald Trump are you going to systematically uh look at the bank application and loan applications of say 50 or 60 of the largest developers in New York especially on the leftwing side
I don’t think so yeah so and especially you made a good point that uh the bank is not filing suit and saying we lost all of its money and then we have to Ju Just oppose it teler to what we’re witnessing on the other side with somebody like Sam bankman freed that was
Put on house arrest on the Stanford campus we now know about his parents to renowned Stanford law professors that were g grifting off their own son and siphoning money from his company as it was collapsing which was a big uh bundler and provider of millions of dollars for the Democratic party and
Nobody in the Democratic party seems to be upset about him and even then we we have Hunter Biden looking right we’re L looking at this and we and you want to ask latita James do you really are you really going to do anything or do you think that Joe Biden should face
Consequences for again and again and again telling the American people he had no knowledge or participation in any of Hunter’s business when you know that was untrue and money was coming to his address and so it’s a very strange time Tucker when you have all this evidence both to exonerate Donald Trump because
Of this asymmetrical treatment and the fact that there was no damage but also when you’re looking at Hunter Biden or Menendez and all these these people and you think how can they with a straight face tell us that there’s not a shred of evidence that Hunter and
Joe were acting in an illegal fashion and the president of United States as we talk you and I are talking right now the president of United States is pretty clearly as vice president was utterly corrupt and has never accounted for that and nobody on the left cares about it
More importantly the Judiciary or the prosecutorial arm of the United States government is protecting it let me ask you one one last question so I want to put up a clip of as you knowed there’s a lot going on and no matter what side you’re on I think any aware
Person sees that this is a revolution or our most basic systems are changing uh for good or bad and yet the news coverage I mean not only is it partisan it’s also incredibly shallow here’s msnbc’s coverage of the Civil Trial in New York the case against Donald Trump I
Just one clip of it as of this order several of the crown jewels in Trump’s real estate Empire the properties upon which he built his brand those properties are now in limbo the precise impact of today’s rulings ruling has yet to be seen But Trump could lose control of properties including Trump Park
Avenue which is his luxury skyscraper in Manhattan’s Lennox Hill Neighborhood he could lose control of 40 Wall Street the historic Tower Trump owns in the financial district he could lose control of his Seven Springs Golf Club in Bedford New York even his apartment in Trump Tower the Gilded bunker in which
He has sought refuge in his home City Trump could lose control of that maybe even the golden toilet too so here they’re going after this guy on the basis of a non-crime they’re not even alleging that there was a crime or that anyone was hurt and and they’re taking his home in
His businesses and msnbc’s coverage is that yeah I mean what msmc just told us is that we are not only fine with but we promote the idea that government can go in to a business all of the business and appropriate it and destroy it yes without cause and we think
That’s not only good but funny cuz we’re going to throw a little filp about a golden toilet haha and the idea is that we now have the power to do this and because we have the power to do it it’s moral and right and if you don’t like it
What are you going to do about it exactly and the answer is what are we going to do about it and the only thing that I can think of is we’re going to have to R humiliate and defeat these people at the polls I don’t think it’s
Going to going to work Tucker to win the electoral college and one one branch of Congress you’re going to have to have a 55% presidential win both super majority and the Congress to get anything done we’ve come so far and you’re going to have to defeat them and humiliate them
The way that we had it we did it once with Reagan and it lasted for about 8 years but this leftist revolutionary spirit is like rust after a rain or it’s mushrooms in your lawn it’s always there and you can’t you can’t allow it to grow
And to expand and accelerate as we have we’ve been complacent and culpable for allowing it to do so in the universities and and all of our institutions and I think now everybody according to their station is going to have to say you know what there are two pronouns I don’t care
If you get angry this was the date of this country is 1776 got it that’s what it is and there is a border and we’re going to enforce it and just say no to all of these things and then welcome the appr probium and the attacks that acrew accordingly and
We that as a badge of honor because what’s the alternative there is no alternative unless you want to see the United States dissipate before your very eyes yes yeah and living in Naples with no TV will not save you that is exactly right the incomparable Victor Davis hansome thank
You bless you for that thank you very much thank You
