BORDER. HE’S BEEN THERE TWICE IN RECENT MONTHS. >> Martha: SO YOU’RE ON THREE STATE BALLOTS RIGHT NOW. HOW WILL YOU GET ON THE OTHERS? YOU STARTED YOUR OWN WE THE PEOPLE PARTY AND A LIBERTARIAN AREA WHERE YOU COULD GET ON BALLOTS IN THAT WAY AS WELL.
WHAT IS THE PLAN AND HOW QUICKLY WILL IT HAPPEN? >> WE’RE GOING TO BE ANNOUNCING NEW STATES EVERY WEEK FROM NOW ON. WE’RE WAY AHEAD OF OUR BENCHMARKS. WE WILL BE ON THE BALLOT IN 50 STATES AND THE DIRECT OF COLUMBIA.
WE HAVE — I THINK WE HAVE 80,000 VOLUNTEERS NOW ON THE GROUND. WE’RE FINDING IT EXTRAORDINARILY EASY ACTUALLY TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO SIGN AND WE’RE AHEAD OF ALL OF OUR EXPECTATIONS. >> Martha: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE THAT SAY YOU’RE JUST A SPOILER?
YOU WERE CRITICAL OF RALPH NADER, SAYING THAT HE WAS GOING TO HURT THE ENVIRONMENT BY HANDING THE ELECTION TO GEORGE W. BUSH. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE THAT SAY YOU’RE IN THE SAME POSITION? >> I HOPE TO BE A SPOILER FOR BOTH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
PRESIDENT BIDEN. I HOPE TO TAKE VOTES FROM EACH OF THEM AND WIN THE ELECTION. >> Martha: SO YOU DON’T CONSIDER YOURSELF A SPOILER? >> NO. I’M NOT HERE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT TO WIN. >> Martha: PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS IN AN ICE CREAM SHOP. HE WAS ASKED ABOUT GAZA.
HE SAID, WHILE EATING ICE CREAM, OH, THERE’S GOING TO BE A CEASE FIRE BY THE WEEKEND. NOT THE WEEKEND, RIGHT AFTER THE WEEKEND. AND IT’S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT WE’VE HEARD HIM TAKE ON SERIOUS FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES IN THAT LIGHT ENVIRONMENT.
WE DON’T HEAR A LOT IN TERMS OF LAYING OUT HIS THINKING ON SOME OF THESE BIG FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HIS CANDIDACY AT THIS POINT? >> I THINK HE NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND SHOW
AMERICANS THAT HE HAS A COGNITIVE CAPACITY AND MENTAL ACUTIE TO HANDLE HIS JOB THAT IS CHALLENGING TIME NOW AT LEAST IN RECENT AMERICAN HISTORY WHERE FACING ISSUES THAT ARE EXISTENTIAL, WE’RE INVOLVED IN TWO WARS. WE HAVE AI COMING DOWN, WHICH IS GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.
THERE’S ENORMOUS DANGERS IN IT. WE NEED AND — WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS IN THIS COUNTRY. THE MIDDLE CLASS IS DISAPPEARING. IT’S BEEN TORPEDOED. 57% OF THE AMERICANS CAN’T PUT THEIR HANDS ON $1,000. WHERE AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF KIDS CAN’T BUY A HOME, THIS IS A CRISIS.
WE NEED A PRESIDENT THAT IS THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. WHO IS ARTICULATING THE SOLUTION FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> Martha: DO YOU NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT HE CAN SERVE? >> I THINK HE NEEDS TO SHOW AMERICANS THAT. A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS ARE ON
THE PRODUCTS OF COMPLEX AND NUANCED THOUGHT. THOSE THOUGHTS NEED TO BE ARTICULATED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT WE ALL SUPPORT HIM. I DO NOT THINK THAT THAT’S HAPPENING NOW. OUR CHILDREN’S LIVES ARE DEPENDENT ON THAT 3:00 A.M. CALL.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT CAN WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND WHO IS ON HIS FEET AND THINKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS. I’M NOT — I DON’T THINK — I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN THAT.
>> Martha: SO YOU’RE SAYING YOU DON’T THINK HE’S IN CHARGE? >> YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE A PERSONAL ISSUE, WHICH IS MY SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION. I HAVE KNOWN PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR 40 YEARS. HE WAS A FRIEND. WITH ALL OF THE ISSUES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIM, HE WAS SOMEBODY
THAT I THOUGHT AT LEAST HAD A FUNDAMENTAL DECENCY. AND THE FACT — I JUST DON’T BELIEVE THAT HE WOULD HAVE PERSONALLY MADE THE DECISION TO DENY ME FROM SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION. I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE IS MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. >> Martha: SO YOU’VE BEEN
SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAEL’S BATTLE IN GAZA. WHAT ABOUT NOW? WOULD YOU BE ENCOURAGING ISRAEL TO STOP THE BOMBING IN GAZA OR DO YOU SUPPORT AS NETANYAHU HAS CALLED FOR THAT THEY HAVE TO FINISH THE JOB AND ELIMINATE HAMAS? >> YOU KNOW, I THINK ISRAEL HAS
A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. HAMAS SAYS WE DON’T WANT TO NEGOTIATE. THEY WANT THE ANNIHILATION OF ISRAEL, THE EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS AND THAT PART OF THE WORLD. SO I’M NOT A FAN OF BENJAMIN NETANYAHU’S. I DON’T THINK MOST ISRAELIS ARE. MOST ISRAELIS ARE — ISRAEL
TODAY IS UNIFIED BECAUSE THEY FEEL EMBATTLED, FEEL THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL RISK TO THEM. IT’S A COMPLEX ISSUE AND IT’S NOT EASY. BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS — HOW DO YOU AVOID CIVILIAN DEATHS OVER THE LONG-TERM JUST IMMEDIATELY. >> Martha: THERE’S SOME
DISCUSSION THAT JOE BIDEN COULD LOSE THE VOTE IN MICHIGAN BASED ON A STANCE THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU JUST PRESENTED. BECAUSE HE COULD LOSE 200,000 MUSLIM VOTERS IN MICHIGAN. MICHIGAN IS A STATE THAT YOU JUST PUT ON THE LIST OF ONE YOU
MIGHT WIN. IS THAT GOING HURT YOU THERE? >> I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION THAT HAMAS IS NOT THE FRIEND OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. HAMAS IS THE ABUSER OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. WE NEED TO POINT TO HAMAS. WHEN WE SEE CIVILIAN DEATHS
WHICH ARE HAPPENING, WHICH ARE HORRIFIC, UNACCEPTABLE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT HAMAS IS AT FAULT. >> Martha: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WITH REGARD TO THE BORDER, THERE IS A BATTLE ON CAPITOL HILL RIGHT NOW THAT CONSERVATIVES — MANY CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE THAT
YOU SHOULD SECURE THE BORDER BEFORE YOU SEND ANOTHER DOLLAR TO HELP UKRAINE. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> I MEAN, I THINK THE UKRAINIAN WAR SHOULD BE ENDED. I THINK — I WOULDN’T NECESSARILY COUPLE THOSE ISSUES, BUT I THINK THAT THE UKRAINE WAR IS A WAR OF CHOICE.
THAT IT’S A WAR THAT IS EASILY SETTLED. AND THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING ANY MORE MONEY IN UKRAINE. WE NEED THAT MONEY HERE. >> Martha: DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ANY PERSON WHO HAS CROSSED THE BORDER AND COMMITS A CRIME SHOULD BE DEPORTED FROM THIS COUNTRY?
>> OF COURSE. OF COURSE. THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED. THE MAJOR THING IS TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER THAT WE CAN DO OVERNIGHT. YOU KNOW, THROUGH A COMBINATION OF POLICY, REINSTATING THE MIGRANT PROTECT ACT, WHICH REQUIRES PEOPLE WHO COMING THROUGH WITH ASYLUM CLAIMS THAT
THEIR CASE BE ADJUDICATED IN MEXICO, NOT THE UNITED STATES. WE SHOULD END THE CATCH AND RELEASE PROGRAM. HAVE A CATCH AND RETURN PROGRAM AT THE BORDER. >> Martha: BUILD A WALL? >> WE NEED THE WALL. WE NEED A PHYSICAL BARRIER AS A WALL IN THE URBAN AREAS AND
PLACES WHERE MIGRANTS CAN DISAPPEAR VERY QUICKLY AND WE NEED OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING MONITORING, LONG RANGE CAMERAS, LIGHTS, FENCES AND A LOT OF THE OTHER AREAS. YOU DON’T NEED A WALL 2,200 MILES FROM BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS TO SAN DIEGO. YOU NEED A MONITORING SYSTEM. WE HAVE THOSE IN PLACE.
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DISMANTLED THEM. >> Martha: A LOT MORE THERE. YOU CAN HEAR THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION WITH THE PANEL IN EAST PALESTINE AND ALSO MY 1 ON ONE WITH ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. ON THE UNTOLD STORY PODCAST. BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE, A DOUBLE
