That doesn’t seem to make sense at all it doesn’t make sense I’m looking at my men and women having their asses hand to them and my first thought was it I will take whatever discipline there is once things got out of control for 71 minutes Pelosi refused to allow you to
Bring in the National Guard why don’t we have answers it doesn’t seem like people really want to get to the bottom of it and it gets worse from there I had a conference call with the leaders of all the law enforcement it was a call I coordinated not one person on that call
Talked about any concerns for the intelligence the attack on the capitol that we were seeing that was out there that’s what’s that’s what’s scary this sounds like a setup to me I’m sorry it does New Jersey State Police Beat D.C National Guard to the Capitol wait cops drove from New Jersey before the
National Guard could get from the armory on Capitol Hill to the Capitol why isn’t this everywhere I have no idea if you wanted to understand what happened on January 6 2021 at the U.S Capitol One of the first people you’d talk to maybe the first would be
Steven’s son Sund was the chief of capital police that day he knew more about what happened than virtually anyone else in the United States and yet Congressional investigators weren’t interested in talking to him the media not interested in talking to him but we were so earlier this year we did a long
Sit-down interview with Stephen Sund about January 6th that interview was set to air on April 24th of this year and it never did we don’t own that tape so we can’t show it to you so instead we invited Steven’s son back to explain what he saw and experienced that day
What he has to say is shocking we recommend you watch Mr Sun thank you very much for coming back thank you for having me back so um I want to start with the days before January 6 2021. um it was commonly known there was going to be a demonstration or believe there’s
Going to be a demonstration in front of the Capitol that day you were the chief Capitol Police you’re in charge of security at the Capitol um so it would seem logical that you would have the most intelligence the most up-to-date most accurate intelligence about what was likely to happen that day because you’re
Consulting with all kinds of other agencies Intel agencies law enforcement agencies lots of federal agencies but it doesn’t sound like you did have the most information about what was going to happen you’re absolutely correct I mean what we’ve learned that it was out there at the
Time versus what we had coming into it night and day and when you talk about the intelligence agency I have my own intelligence agency up at Capitol Police iicd interagency intelligence coordination division yes uh that coordinates with the other intelligence agencies um and now you know we’re seeing the
Intelligence I was getting coming into it was indicating this was going to be just like the previous Mega rallies the November and December rallies that we had we had limited skirmishes we had some skirmishes afterwards uh down by BLM Plaza with some of the antifa groups
On some of the BLM groups but coming into it absolutely zero with the intelligence that we know now existed talking about attacking the capital killing my police officers attacking members of Congress and killing members of Congress none of that was included in the Intelligence coming up too that you
Received correct but others received that intelligence well we now know FBI DHS was swimming in that intelligence we also know now that the military seem to have some very concerning intelligence as well it’s hard to overstate how strange that is because you are in charge of the actual facility
That was the focus of the of the protest well think about I’m the chief of police at the United States Capitol probably one of the most prominent and should be the most secure building in the United States in the world you know you’d like
To think of that but when you look at it and don’t take my word for it look at there’s now four at least four Congressional reports talk about the intelligence failure IG reports GAO reports talk about various intelligence failures uh but coming into it you know think about it FBI the Washington field
Office didn’t put out a single document a single official document specific to January 6. DHS didn’t put out a single official document specific to January 6. that’s very unusual I’ve been through many other events in Washington DC FBI would host a joint conference call at the least it may be a
Executive jttf joint intelligence joint terrorism task force briefing or and for all these big events DHS and FBI would get together and put out something that was called a jib a joint intelligence bulletin zero for January 6. so you’ve described this as an intelligence failure but if failure is something that
Happens accidentally and I don’t see how this could be accidental so walk us through the contact that you had with DHS and FBI in the days before January 6th so my contacts with those two eight with those agencies or the other other law enforcement agencies would have
Always been through my iicd yes they were the ones that was the conduit we’re a consumer of intelligence we had turned to the intelligence Community to get the latest intelligence I know Metropolitan was hosting a conference call every couple of Mondays and I was on a couple of those conference calls nothing none
Of the intelligence that was coming up talking about the stormy of the capital killing members of Congress or killing my police officers was ever discussed in those uh the conference calls that I was on at least and think of this and so you never heard that never heard it and then
But how could you not have I mean I I mean I don’t work in a federal bureaucracy but that that doesn’t seem to make sense at all it doesn’t make sense think about this on January 5th the day before the attack at 1 pm things
One or noon I had a conference call with the leaders of all the law enforcement um Conti from Metro Home Police Department Steve dantuano the director of the Washington field office for the FBI nobody from DHS was on I hadn’t thought about that but all the law
Enforcement that was down there I had the military disc of Washington General Omar Jones on the phone with me I had the head of the National Guard William Walker General William Walker on the call it was a call I coordinated not one person on that call talked about any
Concerns for the intelligence the attack on the capitol the threats to officers uh that we were seeing that was out there that’s what’s that’s what’s scary and and to be clear do we now know for a fact that the people on that call knew about those threats and didn’t mention
Them to you so this is what we know um for a fact and I’ll tell you um I’m not the only chief that was in the dark you look at Robert Conte head of the largest Police Department in Washington DC he also said the same thing he wasn’t
Getting the same notifications like the Norfolk memo that came out the day before he didn’t get it so Steve dantuano who’s the Washington field office um uh FBI FBI director you look at the GAO report that came out February of this year it talks about multiple emails is the jail report or
Maybe no it’s a senate report that just came out in July just last month talks about multiple emails going to Steve dantuana on Sunday Monday uh and some probably Tuesday just the days before talking about the violence that they’re predicting coming up to the Capitol and
I have a video call with him on that Tuesday and nothing said about it I mean that’s not a word not a word so I not to repeat myself but that just does not make sense it doesn’t it doesn’t especially when you think about think about this the military the United
States military and this gets really convoluted once you get into the response on January 6 and how I was delayed getting resources you have the United States military Secretary of Defense or acting Secretary of Defense Miller enacting in general Millie had both discussed locking down the city of
Washington DC because they’re so worried about violence at the Capitol on January 6 on Sunday and Monday they had been discussing locking down the city revoking permits on Capitol Hill because of the concern for violence you know who issues the permits on Capitol Hills for demonstrations I do you know who wasn’t
Told me instead on January 4th what does Miller do he puts out a memo restricting the National Guard from carrying the wet various weapons any weapons any Civil Disobedience equipment that would be utilized for the very um demonstrations or violence that he sees coming it just doesn’t make any sense
Wait wait so the military says we’re so concerned about potential imminent violence that we are considering shutting down the city but at the very same time they decide that the National Guard can’t adopt an aggressive posture right right they’re deployed because they’re going to be pulling National Guard to assist
Washington DC with crowd control at metros and some of the traffic control areas but they put this out on January 4th specific to January 5th and 6th and this direction affected the National Guard in Virginia and Maryland when I was calling begging for assistance on January 6. they weren’t allowed to
Respond at first you look at um uh Governor Hogan he did a press conference saying he was begging to respond and he was not being denied by the Pentagon all because of the memo so why you know you you begin to wonder why and especially when you look at things like
Something that I recently came across when you talk about the military um general milley you know we’re now now finding out and it’s not not for me this is from Carol lening you know investigative reporter with the Washington Post has found that he was using data minor on his own coming across intelligence
Tell us what Dana is so data minor is an intelligence platform it’s not something your average citizen would have on their computer I I guess it goes in and does um crawling across webs I’m not really sure how it works yes but it’s not your it’s a it’s an intelligence platform
He’s picking up intelligence talking about killing members of Congress and attacking the United States capital and he’s not telling me he’s telling select members of Congress I mean Carol Lenny writes about in her book that’s concerning as hell because as the chief of police you know he’s there’s a duty
To warn there and I should be told so I can take the necessary action I don’t know who else he was telling but he sure wasn’t telling me wow again what could possibly be the explanation for that you know um I’m not really sure you know people
You’ve done this for over 30 years you’re very familiar you you’ve been in law enforcement in DC specifically for over 30 years so you know how the city runs you know the federal agencies respond to protests this is not the first violent protest not at all there
Have been many I’ve done many national special security events and this was handled differently no you know the intelligence no jib no coordination no discussion in advance uh it’s almost like they want it to be watered down the intelligence can be watered down for some reason you know I talked about a
Little bit in the book that maybe they were concerned for the Trump invoking the Insurrection act and they’re worried about that but I’ve had people you know there’s this other you know uh thoughts out there uh but you know luckily we still have people investigating this because I still think there’s puzzle
Pieces missing someone’s going to find out what’s really behind all this because it it wasn’t right the way the intelligence was handled and way out we’re we’re set up on the hill big picture just to restate you’ve seen many things like this and as you just said
This was very different this was handled very differently by whom by by the intelligence I’d say one by the intelligence agency two by the military so the reason why I say the military think of this um by federal law you know Congress passed a law that that requires me to go to the
Two to the sergeant arms Capitol Police board in advance of an event and to request uh Federal resources such as the National Guard so Congress passed the law it’s two U.S code 1970. look it up uh just make sure you look it up before December 22 when they changed it
Um so what was in effect on the sixth that requires me to go and get approval for bringing in National Guard or federal assistance in advance I have to go to the Capitol Police board and get approval from congressional leadership in advance like I did on January 3rd I’m
Denied twice because of Optics and because the intelligence didn’t support it so think about that let me ask you who made that decision who denied you I was denied by Paul Irving house Sergeant arms and also Mike Stinger Senate Sergeant arms and on January who do they
Work for uh it would have been working for Pelosi on the house side that place was number one boss and then McConnell on the Senate side ah so effectively Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi shut down your request my requests were shut down one because of because of Optics which
Is interesting you can hear that term come up a couple more times Optics over the look of the National Guard on the hill um but yeah in the Capitol Police board I mean it’s it’s unbelievable that I’m the only chief of police in the United States that has a law preventing me not
Just regulations rules that say I got to go and get approval to bring in the National Guard a law so that’s crazy that Congress is going to pass a law that controls what I can do to protect the capital and even an emergency so think of this even
While we’re under attack I have to go to those same two people to request the National Guard to be brought in I have 340 National Guard that have been activated at least 150 to 180 of those are in the city many of them within eyesight of the capital okay
We get to come under attack at 12 53 12 55 I call the Washington DC police department I talked to their assistant chief Jeff Carroll thank God I had talked to him at 10 59 in the morning and asked him if he could possibly put some additional resource on Constitution
Avenue and he had some CDU platoons up there call him said hey please send those in right away because we knew as soon as they came to their West Front they started attacking it was going to be bad 12 58 I make my first call to the
Sergeant arms asking saying hey it’s bad we need assistance I need a declaration of emergency I need to bring in the military immediately and federal resources I’m told by Paul Irving quote I’m going to run up the chain I’ll get back to you the change Pelosi the chain is his chain
Would be up to Nancy Pelosi he didn’t have to do that but he wouldn’t give me authorization the the law says an emergency he can grant me authorization but he didn’t he said he’d run up the chain my next call was over to Mike Stinger he’s the CH now with the
Chairman of the Capitol Police board told him the same thing we’re getting our asses handed to us on the White Front I need Federal resources he said what did Paul tell you he said he’s running out the changes let’s wait to hear what we hear from Paul sorry so
For the next 71 minutes I make 32 calls I’m in the command center I’m calling my partner agencies and by law you know when the first people offer assistance with the United States Secret Service and by law I shouldn’t have requested their assistance you know I shouldn’t be
Until I had approval but I’m looking at my men and women having their asses handed to them and my first thought was it I will take whatever discipline there is send me whatever you got no that’s the one Tech Secret Service turned over you know how they lost all
Their taxes yes it’s the text between their um chief chief Sullivan myself thank God for him um I don’t know so you make this call immediately immediately to the house Sergeant Armstrong reports Mr Irving who reports Stan ciplosi he says I’ll call Pelosi so um what happens then does he get back to
You so for the next 71 minutes it makes the 32 calls to talk a number of agencies 11 of those calls are follow-up calls and look in the the Senate combined report from from 2001 they have a great infographic of the call after call after
Call after call 11 times I call in the next 71 minutes going where are we on the approval where are we in the approval here’s any minute now any minute I’m going to get any minute finally at 209 71 minutes later 209 I’m finally giving approval think about that 71 minutes later I
Immediately call Mike Stinger say we’ve got approval I was so pissed off I made sure that the Watch Commander I’m in the command center I yelled to John wish him the lieutenant that’s my Watch Commander I said John Mark the time as 210 I finally got approval for the National
Guard I was that mad so what is the I just want to pause on this for a minute that’s like it’s almost unbelievable so this is an event that Pelosi herself has likened to Pearl Harbor in 911 you know the worst thing that’s ever happened on American soil and she’s in
Charge of allowing the National Guard to come in and respond but she doesn’t for 71 minutes what is that you know um I can’t fathom why I mean they had to have known what was going on I was telling them how bad it was it was
On TV it was right outside of Mike Stinger’s office and they had a meeting in his office saying Hey where’s the National Guard and they’re like oh we’re trying to make the fighting is going on right outside his office and I’m still getting delayed this is an
Unbelievable story oh it is now get a kick out of it has anyone ever explained this it’s it’s verbatim in my book I have details the whole the whole chapter on um January 6 is almost 100 pages long but I don’t understand so we it just I
Don’t know they were only 10 minutes into this and you’ve told me two things one the other federal agencies withheld critical information from you in charge of security at the Capitol before January 6th and once it started and things got out of control for 71 minutes
Pelosi refused to allow you to bring in the National Guard so those are just those are two of the biggest questions from January 6th and my question is why don’t we have answers to why that happened it doesn’t seem like people really want to get to the bottom of it
It really it really doesn’t it uh and it just gets worse it gets worse from there I’m sorry to step on your story I just yeah it is it is shocking to think that uh you know we should be a coordinated um security apparatus there’s regulations there’s there’s procedures for defense
Support for Civil Authorities I’ve taught it for the military they don’t realize they brought me in to actually ask me to actually teach us for uh foreign governments coming to visit um there’s a process for when when law enforcement needs help and we dial 9-1-1 it’s through it’s to the military and
That failed that failed miserably because of the law Congress passed and the denial I was receiving well it sounds like it was it was prevented so Paul Irving the guy who had you’re saying the statutory authority to to give that okay to um has he ever explained why he didn’t oh his
You know they had him and he testified at the Senate Hearing in 2001 um 2021 I’m sorry 2003 my apologies thank you very much um and um a couple of times he disagreed with my recollection I can tell you my phone records I turn them over immediately I
Fought to testify they didn’t want me to testify the Senate and hearing I fought to test why wouldn’t there’s so much here what why who didn’t want you to testify so when they were the chief of Capitol Police on January 6th you and me are on lockstep with with this um and my
Story hasn’t changed in two and a half years so when they first put out the notice and they were talking about having the hearing it was only for current employees that were still in place no law no one that was no longer in place in their position in security
So think about that initially when they put out the request to have them they put up they were talking about having the hearing it would have excluded Paul Irving would have excluded Mike stinger and it would have excluded me only three people the three people at the top of the security apparatus
So the Democrats I think well it was it was joint it was a combined joint I hear you I’m sorry you’re absolutely right yeah of course the unit party um intentionally excluded the the three people who would know the answers to the key questions yeah the original plan was
To to exclude them uh I immediately called somebody I knew on the rules committee and said please let me testify I will be there in person and I still remember she said you’ll show up in person I say I promise you I will be there in person I want to testify but
And I was the only one that showed up in person it just seems like the denial of your request to have National Guardsmen who are within eyesight you saw them to have them help that is it that’s a pivotal moment on that day and we know the name
Of the man who made that decision and we still don’t know why he made that decision and that’s just shocking to me what has he ever answered that question no he’s he’s never answered that question specifically that I’m aware of and I do know when they were talking
About the j6 committee coming out I think it was um representative Benny Thompson had said speaker Pelosi is off limits so they wouldn’t get any of her records or phone records what do you mean she’s offline I believe that was one of the things he said that that her coming into
This was she was off limits to the uh inquiries of the January so she was running the house that day I hear you I hear you um that I mean truly trying to get to the bottom of this trying to find out what happened other than that Mrs
Lincoln I mean that’s insane you know you would be getting everyone’s records I’ve been forthright all my phone workers have been turned over and like I said there’s a description of all the numerous calls I made requesting approval think about it in that third in that 71 minutes I called in 17 police
Agencies 1700 officers to help us get the capital back and it also made those loving calls trying to find out where you were as precise as an airline pilot in in your recollection of things you so yes I and I think everything you you have said is provable I mean these are
Not the book’s all based on fact you can go through it I recognize um reference all the facts I have footnote you get access to all a lot of the intelligence I mean you know it’s it’s fact and my my story hasn’t changed in two and a half years so this I’m just
To Circle back to this Paul Irving who played a pivotal role I think whose name is unknown to most people even people who follow what happened on January 6. what happened to him um no idea he uh he disappeared shortly shortly thereafter haven’t haven’t heard much from him had a couple of
Conversations with Mike Stinger before he passed away um but nothing from nothing from Mr Irving uh so he was house sergeant-arms and then when did he leave after January 6. so it’s it’s interesting so he officially left uh the seventh but his signature is on a document making the uh my assistant
Chief of intelligence the chief of police on the eighth it’s kind of weird the way it worked but so I guess he was out the 7th or the eighth was he close to Pelosi oh yes was he oh yeah he was a very loyal uh he it’s
Interesting he was able to go between Republican Democrat pretty pretty well on some level um but he was he was extremely extremely loyal to Nancy Pelosi and it’s unclear what happened to him after he left no idea the capital yeah um has he done to your knowledge we
Haven’t found anybody in her interviews about not that I’m aware of no was he called to testify before the before the generous committee do you know um I believe he was I believe he there may be um I’m just on a blank right now um written testimony of his I
Know he was one of the two that showed up in 2021 for the Senate hearing he was on video so was Mike Stanger uh and they were asking him about you know his uh recollection of when uh when I called him and he was like I don’t recall that
Now I had my first my first timing wrong when I went and asked for the initial uh National Guard I originally thought it was January 4th which was Monday was January 3rd when he denied me the first time even though he apparently or certainly federal agencies had Intel suggesting
This was going to be a bigger than normal protest and could be violent absolutely now you know when you look back and you see some of the Intel that was out there and I referenced a lot of it in the book there’s Intel talking about going up and killing the palace
Guards those are those are my officers their Intel talk about you know using chemicals at some of the entry points there’s Intel indicating that they’ve done surveillance on some of the entry points at the Capitol none of that’s been included they talk about burning down the Supreme Court they talk about
Different attacks on different members of Congress um and they talk about storming the building not a single word of that is included in any of the intelligence assessments and a matter of fact my intelligence unit is putting out documents on the fourth fifth and sixth indicating a low probability of civil disobedience
What yeah so I mean if you were and I’m not but if you were conspiracy minded you might think that certain agencies concluded there was likely to be chaos at the Capitol and that served their political purposes and so they let it happen and they prevented
You from stopping it you know when you tie that into a number of other things that happen and uh if you haven’t I’d love to take you through some of the military stuff really quick and I hope you will at length um and can I just ask
It I think most people don’t understand that the US military would have a role in a domestic political protest why would the U.S military which we pay to fight Wars abroad be involved in a protest in the United States so the way it would work is like I said through
A program a lot of times the military will come out they’ll do support for Civil Authorities whether it’s covid response they did it during the avian flu but they’ll also do it during Civil Disobedience we’ve used them for I’ve activated and sworn in hundreds if not thousands of National Guard troops for
IMF World Bank for inauguration so we’ll have them to help line the parade route just to help us fortify the the perimeter we’ll have sometimes they’ll have what their their qrf quick response force in reserve in case we need additional civil Sports now civil disturbance support so that’s how
They’ll kind of support law enforcement so 340 were activated for crowd control not crowd control traffic control and management of crowds around like Metro stations so they weren’t backed up and stuff like that not for specific Civil Disobedience so we knew we had National Guard in there and and the defense
Support for civil Authority these program is if we become overwhelmed our backstop for law enforcement and I’ve used up all these up Walmart resources and I was overwhelmed would have been in the military specifically the National Guard so 209 I get approval to bring in the National Guard
Probably 2 2 10 to 11. my first call well I’ve already called General Walker call General Walker at 151 I was like I can’t wait any freaking longer I call him I said send me the National Guard as quick as you can I’m going to get approval any minute because he asked so
You have approval of cat from the Capitol Police board and I said I’ll have approval any minute please just get them coming this way so they’re within eyesight shortly after 209 I talked to them 234 I get a notification to get on that call with the United States Pentagon I have
To sell my request to the National Guard I’m on the call with a lieutenant general payat Piat trying to make sure I have his name pronounced right and a general Flynn is on the call and it’s mainly pilot that I’m uh that I’m speaking with I get on the call Mayor
Bows on the call Chief Conte’s on the call and I said I need the Nash guard immediately this is an urgent urgent situation I still remember saying urgent twice this is urgent urgent they’re going to be looking at the same TVs I’m looking at um I need the National Guard immediately
You know what his response is don’t like the Optics of the National Guard on Capitol Hill like he goes I would rather have your officers in the fight and we can backfill your officer somewhere else and said I don’t have that option all my officers are in the fightios I’m telling
You I don’t like the option of the National Guard you know don’t like the Optics of the National Guard on the hill I said sir we’re having our asses hand to us this is life or death I need assistance immediately and I still remember he said you know
Um my recommendation is not to support the request I still remember Robert Conti going whoa whoa hold on you’re denying the chief of the Capitol Police and um he comes Vegas not that we’re denying them I just don’t like the Optics of the National Guard on Capitol Hill
And he goes I’d rather it goes back to that again or rather backfill your people I said sir I don’t have that option this sounds like a setup to me I’m sorry it does it gets better so I beg and beg and he goes well I’m gonna
Walk down the hall and you know we’ll talk to the Secretary of Defense or whoever is gonna he’s gonna talk to um right then I get notification oh so I’m still on the call we have the shooting of Ashley Babbitt and I said we have shots fired I still
Remember yelling over the phone we have shots fired on the University capital is that urgent enough for you now hang up the phone because now I gotta start making a notifications I gotta call in the uh Sergeant arm saying hey we got what looks like maybe a confirmed shooting
Do you know when the National Guard finally arrived it’s piano 6 p.m they’re sworn in on post do you know those National Guard 150 to 180 that are with an eyesight of the capital you know what they do with them they put them in vehicles drive
Them around the capitol back to the DC armor you know where the DC armor is far away yeah Washington uh White House is on one side United States capital DC Armory almost RFK Stadium yeah RFK Stadium they drive them back then and they send me in the evening troops not really can you
Freaking believe it no that’s real that’s real and you know what else I do well I’m begging for assistance depending on sending resources to General’s houses to protect their homes but not me so you begin to think it seems a little conspiratorial I can see where somebody I’m not con you know
Conspiracy theorist but I could see where people begin to go down that rabbit hole real quick that rabbit hole I mean I don’t know what the other conclusion is because look under pressure people make mistakes and make bad decisions but you’re describing a systematic denial of intelligence and then of support defense
Through a whole bunch of different agencies a whole bunch of different people all reaching the same baffling conclusion that we’re not going to protect the capital right multiple agencies with people with extensive experience and you’re getting this type of response you know and when you look at the level of intelligence it’s
Baffling that nobody put anything out ahead of time maybe it’s not baffling I mean remember this was the end of the Trump Administration you know a month almost two months two months into a contested election this is a politically charged moment with ramifications that we’re not living
Through but um there’s a lot at stake here this is not just your average protest correct correct there is did you feel that did you feel a a political Vibe coming off these decisions at the time or are you just showing your laundry oh no I was always
I was so I was looking at the cameras and that were surrounding me with my officers my the men and women of the Capitol Police and the other law enforcement agencies you know in in a fight for their life all I wanted to do was get them resources and I hadn’t even
Sat back and at that point started thinking about the political aspects of it I should say just because it’s this is our second conversation I feel like I know you at this point um you’re not political I mean you were a b cop Who Rose and became a chief of police a very
Prominent one and so but you never you know you weren’t like working in politics on the side like a lot of these people no um and you’ll you’ll find if you look through it and I talk about in the book I am I try and be as a
Political as possible I can tell because I think that is extremely important in the application of law on my rule of law type of guy but especially being in Washington DC and special ops we did um demonstrations all the time first amendment activity you have to be
Apolitical you got to go in it doesn’t matter you know you have a right First Amendment freedom of speech doesn’t matter if I agree with you or not but I have to take an apolitical approach to provide you security and I believe it’s important you don’t need to know what
The political leanings of a cop are that’s stopping you on a traffic stop you shouldn’t you should never know that so I’ll always be apolitical when it comes into uh law enforcement because that’s how it has to be amen so um by the time the National Guard actually show up at 6 PM
Um they’re not needed correct the fight the fight’s over so the whole time they were concerned they were concerned about the Optics of the National Guard showing up they show up I have to my I have an official swarm in a special police officers they take them they line them
Up with their Shields all the protesters are off they line them up with their Shields and they take a couple pictures for military magazines and stuff like that of them lined up with the capital in the background the very Optics they said they were so concerned about they took
Pictures from military magazine think about you can look it up you can look up on some of the uh go online look like we’re the heroes of January yeah so you know and I appreciate my men I come from military family I appreciate the men and
Women in Military and I will tell you when they finally showed up New Jersey State Police beat them to the Capitol before the D.C National Guard arrived at the Capitol I had DC National Guards men and women that were infuriated they were so pissed off that they weren’t allowed to respond they
Were extremely upset wait cops drove from New Jersey before the National Guard yes I put Armory on Capitol Hill to the Capitol I’d put out a request a mutual Aid request that went all up and down the national capital region went up to why isn’t this story everywhere I
Have no idea have no idea General Walker even said he called me up he said Steve I felt so bad I pulled up on the scene he’s the head of the DC National Guard he said I pulled up on the scene in the New Jersey State Police beat us to the
Capitol he said he wasn’t allowed to go he repeatedly wanted to go and the Pentagon wasn’t allowed and yet the Pentagon celebrated the Guardsmen who showed up at 6 PM when everything was done as Heroes meanwhile they did they send other Guardsmen to protect the homes of generals yeah they sent other
Resources I don’t know if they’re guard or depending on Force protection or what but the kicker is this the Department of Defense and they interviewed me I would have been interviewed by anybody because I I’m telling the truth they interviewed me I provided them all my phone records
They were part of that all all the records you know they put out a report saying the actions of the United States military was appropriate considering the circumstances was appropriate it’s it’s online yeah go look up the do you know and apologize no one apologized they said they’re actually fired their
Actions were appropriate you know they had an emergency response Authority Under diska to respond immediately and they didn’t um do you think that the Pentagon is gathering intelligence before and during January 6th well when you look at the fact that you know million Miller you know specifically Millie was talking
About locking down the city he had to have some pretty damn concerning intelligence that’s a pretty big stretch for the government for the military to talk about locking down the capital city and revoking First Amendment permit in a in a democracy that would be a big sign
That’s a that’s a big stretch it’s close to a coup actually and then when you hear you know about some of the stuff he was getting online and he was only talking to members of Congress um it raises it raised a lot of concerns um does the does the Pentagon does defense
Intelligence agency um have undercover Intel operatives that you’re aware of I have no idea and I think it is important to bring up um the the intelligence it’s important for people to realize again as the United States capital police we’re not part of the intelligence Community the technical
IC there’s 18 agencies nine of those agencies are military agencies so that gives you an idea of how heavily weighted half how far of the IC is half of the IC is military so but I think the average person imagines that Military Intelligence is not allowed constitutionally to function on American
Soil yeah you would think yeah I mean I don’t know the specifics but but in your career have you seen evidence that the half of the IC half of those 18 Intel agencies the military ones are working in the United States I’ve I’ve never received in my times of
Doing the special events demonstrations um Intel briefings I’ve never received Intel from the military so it’s always been you know the DHS FBI it’s always been right but those folks never never anyone said hey we got this from military intelligence so um in the aftermath of January 6th there’s been a
Huge debate over to what extent you know there were federal agents or people who are working in some way for federal agencies in the crowd and the initial uh explanation was well none and you’re insane if you think that you know you’re Alex Jones you’re crazy and then over
The last couple of years we’ve seen people confirm people in Authority confirm actually yeah there were a lot uh in the crowd that day I mean that’s now a fact um did you know that going in no they were no so just for perspective since you’ve been to a lot of these
Events there’s a huge Dem a planned demonstration in Washington DC will there always be on assets agents people working for federal agencies in the crowd and civilian clothes there there always could be and for like like inaugurations there would usually be some combined teams out there one for communications
But just you know for a situational awareness so it wouldn’t be surprising you know Fourth of July different things like that where you have Thrive threat pictures or concerning threat pictures and what does that look like does that mean um you know FBI agents dressed in Dockers and tennis shoes trying to well
It’d just be yeah just yeah plain clothes you know plain clothes to blend in um so they that wouldn’t be unusual and it’d be you know just standard police work that’d be good police work um so coming into January 6 and and I talk about in the book with the fact
That shortly after January 6 um I’m driving through Loudoun County I’m coming I actually I just talked to somebody from the hill and I get a call from overseas and it’s a it’s pressed I don’t remember which what it was somebody from Great Britain and they start asking me about feds in
The crowd I was like well I would have been told I said no we’re getting word that there was now Fred’s in the crowd I said no they I would have been told I’ve got lots friends with the uh with the bureau they all have my cell phone
Number they would have told me you know think about that and Jill sanborn’s testimony in 2021 where she said they were taking over action to keep certain people from coming to January 6 to watch DC that’s that’s big for c for FBI to start taking over action I mean that’s
Not covert over that’s a big that’s a big deal fast forward to February of this year 2023 in the GAO report that says on January 4th January 3rd the FBI was tracking four domestic terrorists that we’re talking about coming to Washington DC the Washington field office their aor
Area responsibility by January 6 they were tracking 18 or 19. it’s in the GAO report domestic terrorists so think about that they have 18 or 19 domestic terrorists coming to this event so of course they’re going to have resources on them and they’re not you know you’re not
Going to be just putting one agent you’re gonna have multiples so it’d be multiple with that and I don’t know how many they actually had here so that would be regular standard police work so I wouldn’t be surprised by that but not to share that in the intelligence that’s
Concerning so I mean it seems like Common Sense suggests anyway that you would have to tell the chief of Capitol Police that hey we’ve got our guys in the crowd like just because I mean you would want to know the difference correct you would absolutely want to know the difference and you know
Deconfliction you want to have things like that a lot of the folks will already know there’s a lot of standard procedures for ways to uh deconflix so you don’t have Blue on Blue type of situations you’ll have that um you know I I will say this and just really
Questions so that that would just just to because you have perspective that would be the conventional way to buy the book way to do it FBI would call you and say hey we’ve got these we’re worried about people in the crowd and we’ve got our guys there too here’s who they are
Yeah see so just to deconflict operations they wouldn’t necessarily call me they might call my deputy chief that’s in charge of my Intel and they’re yeah you would coordinate you coordinate with DC police according with party police you coordinate with Secret Service just so everyone kind of knew
What was going on and and really quickly I do want to say this you know um you know nowhere do I want to imply or uh um indicate that I feel that um agents instigated this or in any way like that I’m never never saying that I
Haven’t said that a lot of these agencies came to my defense on Jan or six FBI Secret Service stuff like that so we’ll just wanna make sure that’s clear but there would have been some coordination and when you look at it and you think with the Intelligence coming
In if you think there’s 19 domestic terrorists coming to Washington DC somehow that would have been included in some type of report and when you look at the FBI’s procedures policies and procedures and again go online uh the um attorney general’s guidance for domestic operations of the FBI specifically says
The FBI has to do an assessment an assessment which includes intelligence assessments of events that are they’re identifying as being the target of possible threats and possible violence I think that would have been the United States capital on January 6. look through that document outlined it in the
Book and see all the repeated failure after failure after failure of firearm procedures to start identifying intelligence and making the proper notifications so it but it does raise and I don’t have the answer to this question and I hope I don’t ever pretend that I do but it does raise questions
About the behavior of some of the people in the crowd who were instigating others to to break the law um and who weren’t arrested and you know given our facial recognition software capabilities hard to believe they can’t be found and I would specifically cite a
Man called Ray apps who’s now a hero on the left and funded by the Democratic party Etc but take the politics out of it what is that here you have a guy on camera repeatedly saying we’re going to the Capitol we need to go into the capitol
And he’s not in jail when people who who didn’t go into the capital are in jail I don’t what do you make of that um again that’s that’s something I actually address in the book it’s funny there’s a lot in here so my concern with that and I look at it
From a chief of police point of view is you have somebody that’s down and I believe he’s right near the old executive office building on the fifth the day before January 6. talking to a group of people talking about we have to get into the building we have to get in
The building and then the next day to see him at What’s called the Pennsylvania Avenue gate it’s one of the two fence lines I had down at the uh the West Front um and he’s there and he clearly sees the banner the metal crowd control barriers that are up with the signs
Saying restricted you know and so he knows that’s a restricted area and he’s up there and you see him lean in and he whispers in somebody’s ear and he covers his mouth in such a way so you can’t read his lips or anything Whispers in somebody’s ear that person
Moments later is attacking my officers that’s suspicious hell to me I raised a lot of concerns what is that you know and what’s interesting is I believe um and that’s that’s verified the person into who’s here he whispered yeah I think you watch the video you see that
And that person immediately going start start pulling on the gate and start you know fighting with the officers and what’s interesting is when I believe he went on 60 Minutes and on 60 Minutes um what he said was he went up to the officer and he told that officer these
Officers are on our side don’t hurt these officers I believe that was pretty much not verbatim but don’t hurt these officers they’re on our side don’t don’t hurt these officers well if that’s the case why would you cover your mouth and not yell it to everybody because it
Didn’t seem like that protester was the only one that was possibly going to be hurting the officers and we had a whole bunch of people asked him why wouldn’t he tell it to the whole group I don’t know I I know that Epps is being encouraged by partisan Democrats to sue
People who raise these questions but they’re fair questions and I’m going to raise them anyway how given that tape could the January 6th committee defend Ray apps which they which they did doesn’t make any sense to me yeah I’m having trouble answering that one I don’t know interesting how many um
People how many federal agents officer officers assets people connected with federal agencies do you think we’re in the crowd do we have any idea um I I have I really have no idea more or fewer than normal would you say well if you have again going back to what I’m
Reading now in the GL Report with 19 domestic terrorist hospitals coming in um I haven’t I’ve never seen anything like that in Washington DC so I’d you know you may have a larger than usual presence amazing um who’s Yogananda Pittman uh Yogananda Pittman was my assistant chief for intelligence and secure uh
Security okay so um did she have the intelligence that you didn’t have I I don’t know what do you mean you don’t know I I don’t know I you don’t know what you don’t know I don’t know I don’t know what she what she had and what she
Didn’t have but I do know that when you look at it and we immediately knew I mean anybody immediately knew one of the first things you ever think about is this an intelligence failure so think about we go through January 6 I was begging for the National Guard refused before
Refused during it we get the capital under control you know I get them to where they can go back into session 7 30 they elect to go in at eight and then the house goes in nine but nonetheless so think about this the very next day less than 24 hours after we got
Control of the of the capital Nancy Pelosi goes on national TV blames leadership at the top of capital please calls for my resignation on national TV and then the lies about me okay the very next day the very next day puts it Yogananda Pittman as acting chief
But you’ll get on the Pitman you just described her as the head of intelligence for Capital police correct so if there was an intelligence failure which again doesn’t seem like a failure it seems very intentional to me but if there was such a failure she’d be responsible correct or she’d be in the
Chain of responsibility anyway I mean she was she was the head of intelligence so if there’s intelligence failure and my thing is do a proper analysis you know you know why do a knee-jerk reaction I mean putting her in charge I mean she ended up getting a vote of no
Confidence so she didn’t get the position from the from the police officers because many were upset with what happened where did she wind up where is she now yeah she’s Chief of Police from the University of California Berkeley interesting so right across from Nancy Pelosi’s District that is the
Bay area that is correct so you just kind of take the Bay Bridge over there and that’s yeah that’s where she is now what is that position paid you know I think it pays uh pays pretty well there was uh you know pays extraordinarily well I’m sure pays I’m sure pay’s pretty
Good it’s it’s interesting there was a hearing just recently uh that was on it’s on TV you can look at it where the chief of police Tom manger was asked about her position it turns out that she was given some type of a secret leave so she could leave start her job on
February 1st as the chief of police and not retire from the Capitol Police for months later oh she should get the benefits yeah think about that yeah it appears to be against departmental policy you know and nobody allegedly what you’re saying is that the head of intelligence for the Capitol Police which
Demonstrably didn’t have the intelligence it needed to protect the building that person was first elevated to acting chief of Capitol Police and then given a very high paying job right across Nancy Pelosi’s District at the University of California Berkeley that is correct and I will say this so that looks like a
Reward to me well I do know that the unit had significant intelligence and I know many people within the unit were pushing that intelligence up to the to the leadership of the unit so I do I do know that many of them became whistleblowers and many of them were
Punished and forced to resign yep this looks like a scam I mean it’s just saying it just gets more convoluted you know I do I feel so bad for the men and women in the police department what they went through I feel so bad for the intelligence analysts and what they went
Through many of them you know it was it was really really bad I feel bad for the officials that were either demoted forced to resign over this forced to retire early there’s a lot of people that need someone I think an outside entity it um needs to come in and do some
Investigation about what what went on we already had we already we’ve had many entities doing investigations I believe we impaneled this committee or commission this this body of members of Congress um that went on for about a year and was on the news every single night did they
Address any of these questions no sir how could you how could you have a January 6 commission whose job it is to figure out what happened on January 6th not get to the bottom of like why the head of intelligence at Capitol Police didn’t pass on the intelligence where
The chief of Capitol Police was kept in the dark and denied support from the U.S military why yoga Nanda Pittman wound up after failing on January 6 getting a high-paying job right across Nancy Pelosi’s District like who wouldn’t ask these questions yeah well I know um there’s people on
The hill still trying to ask those questions and hopefully they can get answers but it looks like they keep running into roadblock after roadblock after roadblock um but it’s hard to believe two and a half years later we’re still at this point I still think somebody along the line is going to find
You know the Smoking Gun the missing puzzle piece and puts this together but it does when you look at it and there’s still so much more to it um it just begins to raise more and more questions it’s just it’s interesting to to talk to you because this again this
Is my assessment you seem like a very straight arrow guy I try well it comes off you in waves so and I mean that’s a compliment but how long how long did it take you to realize there’s something very strange going on here I knew there was something strange going
On pretty pretty soon when I when I was running into the issues with them not wanting me to testify I was like this is this starts getting a little weird and then when I started sitting down and talking to officers and getting information and finding out from some of
The some of the intelligence that was out there and where it was and seeing some of the emails of the intelligence analysts pushing it up to their officials uh I knew something was something was fishy I mean think about it how how can somebody not look at all this and think something’s something’s
Odd so I mean we have a media whose job it is um to get to the bottom of questions like these are at least to ask the questions of knowledgeable people with relevant experience and you you’re at the top of that list we interviewed you never aired um at a previous job but
Um how many other long interviews have you done with media Outlets um long ones not not very many um not uh I actually can’t think of any I’ve done 60 minutes that’s probably about the longest and how long from your 60 Minutes interview how much of your
Account wound up on television do you think estimate three or four minutes three or four minutes three or four minutes so you’re the chief of capital police on January 6th Common Sense suggests you be the first person that any reporter trying to figure out what happened on January 6 would call
You’d think is your cell phone buzzing day and night from Curious reporters trying to find the truth no no it’s uh it’s calmed down I mean the first couple of days were something else but uh it’s really it’s really calmed down and you know I’m not stupid when it comes to law
Enforcement I’ve been in law enforcement for 30 years I’ve done everything from capturing homicide suspects to doing you know barricade situations um this didn’t have to happen this was screwed up from the get-go didn’t have to happen numerous opportunities to prevent it from happening numerous opportunities from printing running my
Men and women from going through what they had to and it never happened there was never that opportunity to stop that train have you know there’s always a concern that politics Will infect law enforcement and the justice system more broadly and I and I think you thought about this is
One of the reasons I think you said we need to be strictly apolitical in the way we Minister law enforcement does seem like things have changed and it does seem like politics affect the way we enforce the law does it feel a way to you
Um yeah and again you know one of the that’s one of the things that many things that are in here I talk about the 2020 riots versus the 20 the January 6 attack the rights in front of the White House were famously St John’s Church was set on fire White House across the
Country you know I talk about the White House um and I talk about an agency that was formed by Congress specifically for the protection of the United States President um the Washington DC police department the White House is under attack and they are prevented they are prevented I know it’s not from
Chief newsham it’s from his you know he was the chief at the time uh would have been from above him they’re from prevent it from going on cab on White House grounds and helping the United States seek its service and defending the the White House so think about that
You know who made that decision again all I know is you know Newton’s hands were tied so mayor Bowser higher I don’t know but think about it somebody told when they’re and there was real writing in fact I think well that more officers were injured at that Riot than were
Injured on January 6th I think yep yep again don’t take my word GAO report more officers injured at the uh protest up by the White House and on January 6. and I’m told by Park Police all charges were dropped according to the the uh fighting at Lafayette Park
And at the uh at the White House there were Secret Service agents bloodied and battered over there there was a number of federal agencies that were hurt structures set on fire they tried to light the hay Adams Hotel on fire that was occupied think about that charges dropped
No no such situation I mean when you look at the disparity of how Justice is being applied again that’s that’s scary that becomes really scary when it becomes politicized like that and that’s what appears to have happened I mean it sounds like Trump is the key to all of
This if Trump hadn’t been the president things would have been very responses have been very different don’t you think I mean if Barack Obama had been president do you think that someone would have told MPD that Washington DC police department they couldn’t protect the white house uh
Again I don’t I I protect the White House I don’t I see what you’re saying there um I I don’t know I mean I think not look I mean it’s I shouldn’t ask you to answer hypothetical questions but it does seem s amazing um last question thank you for doing
This again I really appreciate it this is important and I hope that everyone is interested in January 6th and it’s aftermath which really has changed the country we’ll we’ll watch this uh watch this interview um but looking back after spending your entire life in law enforcement like how have your views changed
After January 6th yeah that’s a uh that’s a big question um I mean I’ve used the law enforcement I still I still think law enforcement is a very honorable uh profession I really really do um I think it’s it’s being screwed up in a lot of cities I feel bad
For a lot of people that are going into it we need good cops but right now their hands are being tied when you look at what law enforcement is going on I mean I was just talking with somebody who one of their officers in Washington DC
Arrested Somebody went to a scene of a robbery recovered a weapon recovered somebody else’s wallet and possession with the uh with the suspect made the arrest paper a gun went in the person’s pocket and during the search found a loaded handgun went down to paper is no paper
No paper armed hand armed robbery means all charges were dropped um that’s bad that’s bad when we’re seeing the type of crime that we’re seeing in some of these cities and they’re not Prosecuting some of these cases I feel sorry for the officers it’s me I’m very dangerous for them
Um you know I still you know love the profession still love the officers with the Capitol Police Washington DC police still talk to them regularly they’re going through a lot and I just don’t think they’re getting the back and they need and the effects on the rest of us are we’re seeing it
Stephen’s son former Chief of Capitol Police thank you so much thank you very much for having me in Canada’s motorcade
