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Time for the show all right I am super excited to be joined by independent investigative journalist Whitney Webb who’s coming out with her books volume one and two of one nation under blackmail Whitney thank you so much for joining me thanks it’s my pleasure to be
Here thank you well I want to start out with a little bit of your backstory because I’m curious how you got to be where you are investigating these really big names and uh I would imagine that they are not too happy with the things that you’re reporting on so um where are
You from and how did you kind of get your start yeah okay so I’m originally from Florida um I lived on and off I guess in North Carolina growing up because my grandparents lived there um I went to University or College in North Carolina um and while I was studying there I double
Majored um I was in one of the double Majors I or one of my Majors was uh in religion but like not like theology you know like the academic study of Religion so it was sort of like a combination I guess of you know history anthropology history of religion you
Know all sort of mixed together different disciplines you know um so I did really well in that spe specifically well I mean I did well on both I guess but I got like a free ride for grad school for the religion stuff so I was going to go do a master’s um but
Originally so I had like you know you pick like a major advisor you know when you first start off uh you know and so the one that I had was more in East Asian religion so I I’d gotten a grant to go like study some crazy stuff in
Malaysia uh which is where my major advisor was from and so the people in like the grad school wanted me to stay and and do that kind of stuff but by the time I got around to like writing a thesa senior year I got it got like really political for me because I
Started um I got I was writing about this group called The New Apostolic Reformation which is like um a religious group in the US that was trying to basically uh use money from their their donors uh to buy governments in Africa for all these sorts of weird purposes
And they were backing Rick Perry’s campaign and then after that I got down all these weird rabbit holes of groups like the family um and stuff in in organizations like that and when I found out the family had like a third of members of Congress were like affiliated
With them I was like how how does like this not get coverage I don’t know I was sort of a lefty in in college right now I like hate everyone equally who wait you didn’t study in um journalism no no I wanted to be like an academic
Like a a permanent brainy person that teaches College that’s what I wanted to do and why religion why would you study religion anything from your young life that well it was because so like my boyfriend freshman in sophomore year was was studying it and you know I kind of I
Had like a not fun upbringing in some ways right and so I was really turned off from Christianity yeah and so I sort of ini was attracted to study the stuff at like the opposite end of the spectrum you know yeah but then I ended up coming
Back into Christianity but sort of like Gnostic stuff I I don’t know so I you know I don’t really have those same feelings I had I did that you know when I was a teen about about that stuff but you know everyone has their own journey
I guess so anyway it was um uh I when I went to grad school though they wanted me to go back to the old stuff and they didn’t want me to be so political and I didn’t like that I like at all um anyway after that I got kind of
Disillusioned um and I ended up going to live in South America and uh help manage a farm because my other major was in ecology stuff like agricultural ecology Agro ecology wow so uh I went to go do the other major I guess so I like got involved with you know farm management
Stuff for an organic farm in Peru um and I stayed there for like a year and then I stay I went back to the US for like a year uh tried to get a regular job but you know I could only wait tables with two college degrees so I went back to
Latin America and um I ended up working in restaurants again for a while um and then yeah well I don’t know I mean after you know I’m 32 so like after 2008 you know was when I went into school and by the time I got in 2012 like the labor it
Was a very challenging labor market depending on what you studied and so for the majors I had and I also went to a liberal arts college so you know it wasn’t really sellable um you know in terms of how the labor market was at that time so you
Know and I’m just like not into uh selling out you know to like the man I guess you could say so with like job interviews and stuff you have to be all you know marketable and I’m not really into that because I’m I’m not really into like being inauthentic
You know I just don’t like to do that makes me feel fake and stuff um and I I have like a major aversion to that going back to when I was a kid so um yeah so it basically ended up that I was in Latin America and um the I eventually
Came down to Chile Where I Live Now and um my boyfriend at the time was like Hey this website you read um for news they say writer needed why don’t you give it a try and and I was like yeah whatever like they’ll never hire me that’s what I thought um
But I they did and it went really well and then uh mint Press News which is where I used to work um liked what I wrote there and they offered me a job and I started there in January 2017 I was their staff writer uh I left in
Beginning of 2020 at that point I was their senior investigative reporter um wow and the co era was really crazy so I ended up launching my own uh website I guess that was just going to be like a repository of like all my stuff in one place originally uh because I was
Contributing to different sites so like if people wanted to find all my work in one place it could be for that but it’s sort of grown and so now I have contributors and stuff too so I guess it’s sort of become its you know its own
Thing over time but it’s been a pretty uh silly journey I guess but basically you know um why I don’t mind like writing about powerful people um I don’t know I mean I’m sure this has happened to a lot of people um eventually you know everyone has points where they’re like
Really down on their luck right and things are like not cool um and some of that can be blamed on the man in my case some of it was to be blamed on the man and I sort of felt like uh when I started doing this that
You know whatever I could do to like stick him in the eye I don’t really care wow that’s incredible no I wanted to learn a little bit more because I definitely have never done anything to the scale that you have but um my background on more of like a local news
Level was investigative and I remember even getting threats because of a story that I did about like a local mayor and for me I wanted I feel the same way I kind of wanted to Stick it to the Man because my family lost everything in the great financial crisis and I was like
What the hell happened like my family came here from another country they’re good people they worked hard they played by all the rules and they get screwed and all the Wall Street people and government people get bonuses right so I I wanted to hold people accountable but
You’re doing it on a whole another level so how did you start to investigate people like Epstein and the clintons and Bill Gates like how and and what’s the process of doing that type of research okay so the Epstein stuff sort of started as a side thing I forget what
I was writing about at the time uh I was doing a series on something else I think it was about um some oligarchs and like Argentina and how they’re like making their own mini States in Patagonia that are unaccountable to any government uh in a bunch of really shady stuff so I
Think I was writing about that if I recall and uh then the Epstein arrest happened and there was all this attention to it and so me Press News which is what the outlet I was writing for at the time is very focused on the Israel Palestine uh situation and so it
Was um uh you know obviously of Interest with Epstein because of the you know Alle ations especially when the allegations of intelligence emerged and so I started like you know fooling around a little bit looking at stuff and it got out of hand pretty quickly because I figured I could figure out the
Intelligence ties for Epstein like people had a lot of problems figuring out what that meant and like what his ties to intelligence were and I think at the time even in July 2019 like a lot of it was really speculative um so I I basically was like
Well I figured if I could go back far enough in the history I can find something thing and I sort of stumbled on this this thing I didn’t really expect to find which is about the um uh stuff that was going on in the 40s and
50s uh with this liquor Baron who is one of the you know big uh corporate guys of his day named Lewis Rosensteel basically running a sex blackmail ring with a Roy con who’s a Trump’s mentor and was Trump’s lawyer for a long time and is a very controversial figure in US politics
Beginning with his involvement as Chief oh sorry uh beginning with his ch um being Chief counsel to uh Joseph McCarthy during the McCarthy hearings the Red Scare and all of that um and so uh while the Red Scare was going on Roy con was also involved in basically sex
Blackmail to advance the agenda his his agendas and the agendas of the people around him in the McCarthy era um and one of the people they blackmailed was the head of the FBI Jay Edgar Hoover and you know uh Rosen steel and con both had very strong ties to organized crime at
This point in time uh and basically the people had that had originally blackmailed Hoover uh were the mob and so basically J G Hoover was more or less in charge of the FBI from its existence until like the early 70s like a really long time and he never went after
Organized crime in any meaningful way and it’s because the mob blackmailed him so I found that and I was like this is crazy because Rose and steel and the organized crime stuff when I looked into that Samuel bronfman’s name came up the name of the bronfman came up and at the
Time it had also broken the whole Nexium Scandal right which was also sort of sex trafficking sex blackmail related um and involved the daughters of Edgar brownman and so I was like maybe there’s something here and then you know Trump and Epstein and Trump’s lawyer being involved in sex blackmail who was you
Know is also widely recognized as his mentor uh at least in the you know the 70s and 80s and so on um also being involved in it you know Jeffrey Epstein then was looking less of an anomaly at that point so I figured there was more to be found out and yeah
There was so now there’s two books about it basically and how that ties into uh Epstein and where he fits in and all of that and uh I guess the conclusion uh of the book um is that there’s a lot more to come out on I have
Seen like way more it’s uh really insane and I think even and what I’ve done ultimately is just sort of scratching the surface because there’s a lot more to come out and I really hope that this is just really a starting point uh in getting people to basically recognize
That and how we and where we go uh from here because you know the government has to be investigated the stuff with Epstein especially his involvement with the Clinton White House in the 90s it has to be investigated but the government is so compromised it can’t
Investigate itself so what do we do at that point you know well so why did you want to write a book um and why is it split into two volumes what do you want people to to know about that in terms of what to expect and how did you even get
Maybe a publisher to agree to it because you know I mean people people are getting well they’re committing suicide you know suicide getting killed off yeah so um oh I was contacted by well I was told to get in touch with the publisher by someone that interviewed me me because it was their
Publisher uh and the Publishers tr day who’s really one of the few if not only publisher that is willing to publish these types of uh books right uh so for example they put out Nick Bryant’s book uh who’s a former mainstream media journalist did a really in-depth investigation into the Franklin Scandal
Which I do talk about in the book but obviously not in the depth that Nick does in his book on that particular Scandal um which is also about sex trafficking and blackmail tied to intelligence involving minors that was going on um throughout the 1980s uh what
We know about it anyway is it seemed to be mostly based in Omaha Nebraska but was also very much in taking place in Washington DC and that powerful people were involved so um the publisher had already published that so I mean once you publish like the main book on the
Franklin Scandal you know you’re probably uh down to publish what I have to uh what I had to write so I made the agreement to write the book where I signed the contract in January 2020 uh then Co happened so I uh Lost Child Care I have a four-year-old uh and
Then I had a baby uh on New Year’s Eve last year so I had a lot of stuff in my personal life while I was writing the book and also I was writing a lot of just regular articles about you know happenings in the world um over that
Period of time so uh the book was challenging to do but think it it’s important because it’s it’s a book that’s about a lot more than Epstein it was not originally intended to be two books but it got too long uh so that’s what happened but it was always going to
Be written in two parts so basically I go back um what I’m trying to do here is show you um who Epstein really was the network that enabled and supported him and how they not only existed well before Epstein came on the scene but they continue to exist now that he’s gone
And that these problems do not go away just because naughty Epstein is dead the you know it it it’s Bill Gates has tried to say that you know he was questioned on mainstream media about his Epstein relationship and he’s like well he’s dead so it doesn’t matter and no bill it
Does matter so um what I’m trying to show in the book is is where this group really began I trace it back to when intelligence us intelligence and organized crime uh formally uh Allied themselves in World War II uh which was called operation underworld it was the Office of Naval intelligence with the
Involvement of the office of strategic Services which is the precursor to the CIA uh made a formal alliance with uh organized crime in New York because organized crime in New York had taken over uh the union for Dock Workers and so the Office of Naval intelligence wanted extra intelligence right about
What was going on in the doc so in order to get access to the doc workers they had to make a deal with the mob and that deal with the mob got out of hand very quickly and it’s no coincidence that you have that um you know by the time the
Cia’s formed the assassination teams of the CIA are stuffed with mob people and it just you know it it just grew from there it quickly became symbiosis and by the time you get to like the 70s and 80s when epine sorts starts to get involved with these people
Um you know you can’t tell where intelligence uh and where one begins and the other ends I mean they’re the same same thing at the end of the day well it was interesting to hear you say I think you were on Marty Ben’s podcast and you were talking about how people it’s easy
For them to believe that intelligence was corrupt you know decades ago but as you get closer and closer to right now yeah people are like no no no not you you have to trust the FBI you have to trust the CIA but you’re saying that’s actually uh not true yeah yeah so what
I’m trying to show in in the book is that all those naughty crimes of yester year there’s continuity between the then and the now and there’s never been accountability and it’s the same pattern of criminality over and over and over again and a lot of it is financial
Crimes and that is where Epstein figures in in a big way um you know writing a 900 page book on this stuff I uh would say that Epstein is a first and foremost a financial Criminal Who later dabbled in sex trafficking and also arms trafficking wow um and uh yeah it’s it’s
It’s bad and there’s a reason that when it comes to ‘s activities or his career mainstream media rarely if ever goes before the year 2000 and this is a guy that was born in the 60s right so it’s pretty silly um or I forget exact maybe
It was the 50s I don’t know but he was I mean obviously active for well before 2000 professionally and it doesn’t really make a lot of sense um to claim that you know we should only look at the years 2000 to 2006 roughly when he was arrested the first time and only focus
On the sex crimes sex crimes are horrible yes and they’re very important but that’s not the only thing Epstein did and that’s not where his intelligence ties began uh they predate that significantly and um yeah I mean in other words there’s just a massive cover up about Epstein’s activities and the
More you look at the net work around Epstein the more you realize that the sex crimes specifically um are hardly unique to Epstein you have that same sort of activity going on all around him uh for example one of Epstein’s early clients after he was sort of forced out
Of uh Bear Sterns the Wall Street Bank in 1981 uh he takes on Adan kogi as a client who’s a well-known arms dealer he’s also intelligence linked arms dealers tied to like four or five intelligence agencies and a lot of illegal activity including in the Savings and Loan crisis um of the 1980s
And a lot of the you know Financial crimes there and that’s probably where Epstein came in uh since that was basically Epstein’s specialty at that time and Epstein did have a relationship with BCCI the bank of credit and commerce International which was you know it collaps in 1991 and is widely
Known to have been an extremely criminal financial institution and there’s Senate reports uh to that effect like the BCCI Affair which you can find in its entirety online um but BCCI for example as a Bank was involved in sex trafficking on a massive scale including of minors including prepubescent minors
Uh that were being basically pimped out to the ruling families of the United Arab Emirates um by a what is nominally a bank right um then you have Adnan kogi using sexual blackmail on his yacht which later the yacht by the way gets sold to Donald Trump um that that yacht
He basically had a herum of women who were used to butter up and or blackmail uh potential clients which include people from government and in the private sector um and so he was also involved in a sex blackmail um organization uh named run by some lady
Named Fortuna Israel who was sort of her nickname was Madame tuna as funny as that may sound um but this was that was in Europe in in this period as well um and the around the same time that Epstein took on kogi as a client kogi uh
Becomes a client of two other people the aforementioned Roy con uh who also involved in sex blackmail and another man named Robert Keith Gray who was a big-time public relations executive who was also extensively involved in sexual blackmail for the CIA specifically um and he uh you know he
And con had worked really closely with Bill Casey who became CIA director under Reagan um in the 1980 campaign and oddly enough be Sterns where Epstein was you know basically had to leave because of illegal snafu two months before that uh you know Bill Casey became CIA director
But up until he became CIA director he was the lawyer for Bear Sterns during the whole period that Epstein worked there and all and you know at the same time kogi is also becoming involved in the Iran Contra what later becomes known as Iran Contra with Bill Casey was
Basically building up once he was CIA director so there’s a lot of stuff going on here and this is just the beginning of the 1980s you know if you want to ask me when I think Epstein first got involved with intelligence I think it predates his involvement with be Sterns
And he went there in what 7677 I think 76 or so so um it seems like as early as 1971 he was probably involved with some of these people and I think it’s because he was a really talented high schooler and uh Donald bar William Bar’s father who eventually
Hires Epstein to work at the Dalton school which is where he works before he goes to um be Sterns set up these uh rather odd and I really wish I had more time to have looked into them for the book but it sort of would have been a a
Big tangent maybe to to dig too deep into them but he set up these um programs to specifically seek out and and look for talented high school students in New York uh During the period of time that Epstein was in high school and Epstein was known to have uh
Very strong talents in in music and math while in high school and I think he graduated high school like two month two years early or something like that and went to some sort of elite music um camp or something and and all this other stuff so it’s very possible that he was
You know in a program like that in Donald bar um was uh a veteran of us intelligence and programs like that often tend to be where they recruit young people um for you know the National Security State and that’s not just true for the US like if you look at
Israel they have something called the tpat program where they go and they look for talented uh people in in in math and and the sciences and you know stem students or whatever and they basically recruit them into Israeli military intelligence at like a really young age and and you know
That’s common stuff so it’s very possible that that happened with Epstein Because by the early 70s he’s already like has connections to the the royal family in Britain and is going to like Mansions of like really well-connected very shady dudes that are later all tied up with Robert Maxwell and stuff so I
Mean it’s very possible that it was like way earlier than a lot of people have suggested well and just as a quick tangent I think it’s important to mention um something else that you’ve you’ve said about the books you’re using primary sources you’re using like Congressional reports police reports
Interviews from mainstream media right this is where you’re getting your information and you clearly have this like photographic memory where you’re recalling all these names well I guess that just sort of happens when you write about it you like recall a lot of stuff so like it’s either primary sources or authoritative
Secondary sources so it’s like you know when I’m citing media reports it’s like archived mainstream Media or local newspapers you know I don’t even really rely on my own past work uh hardly at all in in the book um and a lot of it yeah either police reports Senate
Reports or Congressional reports um you know different things like like that you know I tried to make it as uh really authoritative as possible because when you’re talking about this stuff I mean obviously I’m going to get labeled a conspiracy theorist and stuff so uh my goal was to make the most detailed
Through a well sourced case humanly possible and it took a lot of work uh and sleepless nights and uh it was it was difficult okay okay uh to put all this together um but I I tried to make a you know a really detailed airtight case
Um you know for how the power structure of the US actually is in practice um and explain why epin was never caught before and enabled because I mean you have people like Cindy McCain uh John McCain’s wife saying in early 2020 we all knew what Epstein was doing and I
Mean there’s not even a direct like McCain Epstein connection so like obviously the mccains are just like powerful you know Senate family um in former you know Republican nominee for president so you know how did they know epine and if they say everyone knew what he was doing what does that mean right
Can you kind of share I I feel like right now people in our country especially after the pandemic I don’t know everyone’s nerve endings are so raw and it’s just it’s the red this blue this it’s you’re on this team or that team everyone blames the other side they
Look to the guy in the White House as either the hero or the villain but like what’s the reality okay so I think Americans for a long time have been psychologically conditioned to look for a political savior to their problems and then both parties are you know controlled by the
Same people ultimately at the end of the day at least the vast majority of the parties are I mean sometimes you have like people that sort of sneak in there who are sort of Renegades occasionally but there’s not many of them and I don’t really know how much influence they
Really have besides you know making useful uh Clips on C-Span that that are then put on social media where they say things that are true and accurate you know I mean how much can they really do if they’re just one person and you know how many people are in the Congress and
The Senate you know so that’s definitely a small minority but you know in general the RNC and the DNC um are very controlled and so you’re basically having people looking you know as long as we vote for this person they’ll fix the country and everything’s fine and
How many decades now have people been saying that and look where we are now because regardless of who’s in office they follow the same [ __ ] they do the same policies they start the same Wars you know yeah okay Trump to his credit started less Wars but he also continued
Like drone bombings and stuff like that all over the world I mean it’s not exactly like he was an anti-war president maybe he didn’t start any new Wars but he continued Wars like in Syria and stuff that his predecessor had started so you know I mean and that’s
Just one example with like foreign policy there’s a lot of other stuff that doesn’t get fixed doesn’t get addressed one of those are the intelligence agencies that are out of control another one of those would be bringing Wall Street to heal or you know Bankers in general whether in the private sector or
Central Bankers you know nothing really happens to them when they do things that are inappropriate or not in the best interest of Americans so you know um it’s it’s very complicated um the political situation but part of it is I think because of the psychology where we feel like the only
Way we can have any voice or any agency in our own country is to vote for one of two parties and what do we do when one you know both of those parties are you know essentially useless um so you know and especially at this point you know the last two president presidential
Elections I mean think about it uh 2016 um the the people on the DNC say Russian hackers illegitimate election 2020 you have people say Dominion voting systems illegitimate election so okay a bunch of Americans have no faith in the voting process especially if their favorite candidate does not win um I mean things
Are getting a little bit out of control so I mean can we even trust the voting system anymore and so I don’t know I think honestly um intelligence agencies basically control both parties and that there is a major effort to basically engineer Civil War uh with one side
Being the baddies and that was basically already announced but by Biden last night with his super creepy red background um and his um you know it’s just I could I didn’t even think that was real until yeah itone everyone was posting comparing it to V for Vendetta
Yeah it’s over the top yeah so I mean who’s in power then who’s in power and what why would they want to spark Civil War okay professional criminals are in power and professional criminals are in power who want to stay in power forever and they know that they can only keep
Their uh you know I mean they’re serial Financial criminals you can only loot a population so much until they realize there’s nothing left and they’re going to start asking questions where’s my money what happened to all the Social Security money uh if you look at the work of Mark Skidmore and Katherine
Austin Fitz 21 trillion dollars of taxpayer money just disappeared and now there’s an accounting practice in the government forget how many years it’s been in existence it’s called Uh fasab 56 or faab 56 depending on how you want to say it and it basically allows uh legalizes the government’s ability to
Cook the books and present um budgets and expenditure um lists that are in accurate to the public and have a private set of books so it allows every agency in the government to have two sets of books one for them and one for you so no one really knows what they’re
Spending the money on and where it’s going um and there’s been no accountability for that so how long can they get away with this right um if you look at things like all the uh Financial crises of the last several years it’s a and and coid can be included among this
It’s a massive wealth transfer every time yeah the middle class gets smaller and smaller we are moving to a Neo feudal model and that’s where this is all going So eventually people are going to realize you know I don’t have money anymore what’s happened right and are
Gonna ask questions and are gonna ask for accountability or at least a bigger piece of the pie um and these people don’t want that right well but it’s sad it’s almost like a lot of people at least it felt this way during the pandemic are just willingly releasing all of their
Freedoms and we’re moving toward this idea of you will own nothing and you will be happy and I know you’ve talked about it on other shows this idea we won’t own cars we’re we’re slowly no longer owning homes we’re not owning property anymore because it’s too expensive we’ve created these bubbles in
In asset classes I know bitcoiners talk a lot about this this idea of of wealth you know concentration um but they but they attribute it you know lot to Federal Reserve and and Central Bank policy monetary and fiscal po policy yeah but the the central bank is also
Like you know the Federal Reserve of New York for example How Deeply tied is that to Wall Street I mean it’s sometimes hard to separate you know these more criminal Banks from the central bank at the end of the day and also who created the fed you know originally right the
Warberg family I talk about them in volume one um so so who are the financial criminals like do you name them in your books and talk about this I me yeah the book is full of names and I don’t claim to say these are the people
I’m saying these are people we can dog we can look at who have ties to intelligence ties to organized crime and engage in the same pattern of provable financial criminality or other forms of criminality um over a period of decades um and you know I it’s a very detailed
Book you know I’m basically stacking detail on top of detail on top of detail to show how these people operate um and in the how they’ve never been held accountable and how basically the people that were in those networks when you know the the the their predecessors
Are too old to keep doing this it it goes to the next ones the Baton is passed and it’s the same grift over and over and over again and you know it’s all about you know money laundering um arms trafficking drug trafficking sex trafficking I mean these guys do all of that
Stuff because Epstein seems like a tiny little tentacle whereas I this is like a massive operation so on the front cover you do have Epstein but really this is the the the people at the top are way way way bigger than him I think you’ve said before he’s like middle management
Right so why I mean what are we not hearing about galain and why was she spared okay I think she was spared mainly because she’s Robert Maxwell’s daughter you have to understand Robert Maxwell really well to really get galain and the more you understand about the
Robert Maxwell like for me it made me actually feel sorry for her not for adult galain because obviously you know you’re an adult you should know better this is Criminal but her upbringing is sad and uh you can see with a man like her father just so messed up um that
There’s no way she would have come out like normal and not like a crazy person like that um he basically there’s there’s just I don’t even know how deep I want to get into it because some of it’s like really gross um but basically she was like neglected
As a child because the old the eldest son was in a coma like just a couple days after she was born and she developed like childhood anorexia and just like had all this stuff about being neglected until she was like four or five and then Robert Maxwell decides
He’s she’s like the favorite after the El the eldest son that was in the car accident was the favorite and then he basically cultivates her as like his um I don’t know his underling like the one that’s that’s the most like him right and it’s this mix of like this
Narcissistic mix of like you’re my favorite and then extreme abuse physical abuse and I think possibly even sexual abuse to be honest based on some of the overtones of this and he ends up sort of using her SE sexuality as a tool for him uh way way before she officially links
Up with epscene in 91 going back in the in the 80s and stuff um and I think that he just sort of you know she she was she’s been she was used by her father and then afterwards you know Epstein used those talents cultivated in her by
Her father for you know his own uh purposes and for a lot of uh you know in a lot of ways Epstein was sort of Robert Maxwell reincorporated in some senses but I don’t think he took over all aspects of Robert Maxwell’s portfolio I think some of that went to gain’s twin
Sisters and her brothers Ian and Kevin um because Robert Maxwell was involved in a lot of very bad things um and you know what one of the FBI special agents for New York basically said that what Robert Maxwell did before he died was create a global Coalition of very powerful
Criminals um and I mean is she revealing a lot of things is she revealing a lot of things to authorities and that information’s not getting out no I think what it is is that she agreed to not say anything and that’s why she’s still alive uh okay robber Jeffrey Epstein
Suicided John Luke brell suicided those are the two that went to prison galain is the only one that hasn’t been suicided she actually was moved to Country Club prison in Florida okay I think that’s a pretty good indicator of where that’s going um and um um Steve
Hoffenberg who’s a major sort of figure in the Epstein story is now uh gone we don’t know how he died he was apparently so badly decomposed after a week he had to be identified by dental records um and then you have Mark Middleton the guy that was meeting with Epstein at the at
The White House um 15 roughly I think of the 17 times he Epstein went to the White House where you know were meetings with Mark Middleton and a couple months after those visitor logs were reported on not by any Us Media outlet but by a British tabloid The Daily Mail is the
Only media Outlet interested enough to um ask for those visitor logs that’s just mental to me um you know a couple months after that that they published those in December of last year and Mark Middleton was found dead in in May of this year and he was found dead hanging
From a tree this was an extension cord shotgun wound to the chest suicide cical typical Clinton fashion you know um well and even uh the guy that you talked about too with the plane there was a plane crash but the guy somehow had oh Ron Brown yeah I mean all of that this
Is all in your book but can you share a little bit of that story because that’s crazy too well that’s that’s part of an even bigger crazy crazier more mental story that also involves Mark Middleton so what was Mark Middleton doing while he was meeting with Epstein at the White
House he was involved in this insane Scandal that never got properly investigated because a couple weeks before 911 George W bush Clinton’s successor intervenes and invokes for the first time executive privilege and blocks documents related to Congressional efforts to investigate Mark Middleton who is nominally you know
Was Special Assistant to the Chief of Staff of the White House and left off left his position in February 1995 and this is happening in like August or September 2001 the bush Bush Administration intervenes to prevent you know Congress from investigating Middleton properly and you know Bush you know in his election stuff
I’m the opposite of the clintons elect me if you’re tired of the Clinton years right I mean obviously whatever Middleton was doing was completely rotten and Epstein was in the middle of it wow and there’s a reason that there is zero reporting from American mainstream outlets on the EP Clinton
Relationship in the 1990s they act like it doesn’t exist we have photos of it existing photos of Epstein and Clinton shaking hands in 1993 and zero mainstream media reporting wow in the US about that relationship they act like it only began in 2001 or 2002 and how did this plane end up going
Down what was that story okay so this is the Commerce Department uh so it’s part of a bigger story Mark Middleton um was part of what is often today remembered as China Gate but I think that’s a misnomer because it’s much bigger than just China um and and he worked on
Clinton’s campaign right in 96 he no he was a Commerce Secretary Secretary of the Commerce department so when Clinton was running for office he was like uh the first time for president he was chairman of the DNC got it and then gets rewarded with a you know an appointment in the administration he’s
Head the Commerce Department got it hor like notoriously corrupt by the way um very easily for sale and that’s part of what was going on with the mark Middleton stuff in China Gate as it’s often remembered because they only investigated um people linked to the government of China in some capacity
Some it’s really more accurately should be called I think riotti gate uh for the riotti family who were business partners of the Chinese government by this point but were sort of oligarchs based in Indonesia with business interest in Arkansas that helped uh Clinton become governor of Arkansas along with Jackson
Stevens they were also business partners of Jackson Stevens um and then also helped him you know his campaigns on including into the presidency um and a lot of people in this mix are deeply involved with the ritis um at that period of time including one of the main you know
Alleged co-conspirators of chinate John hang for example he worked for the rtis mark midd midon as soon as he has to leave the White House in February 1995 goes to work for the ritis specifically and doing a lot of really shady stuff in
Asia um for them so um Ron a lot of the these people involved in chinagate that were under Congressional scrutiny later they were all targeting the Commerce department they want it was something it it was related to stuff like China’s trading status and all sorts of other
Stuff it’s very complex um I did my best to sort of disentangle it as much as possible so it’s like digestible in the book because I mean there’s Congressional reports about this several I mean it’s like 5,000 6,000 Pages the amount of material on these guys so I
Mean it’s a lot to go through and a lot of stuff to sort of you know wrap your head around it it’s it’s it’s complex uh and and maybe that’s part of why so many people don’t know about it anyway so uh at some point um some of the
Activities this Nexus this China Gate Nexus the real y family these people um part of it starts to come to light in 96 or so and Ron Brown uh agrees to testify and cooperate in the investigation that would have unraveled the rest of it if it had actually gone forward he’s
Unexpectedly asked to do a trade mission to Croatia um the plane Never Lands in Croatia well it does it just crash lands and everyone on board dies uh but Ron Brown’s uh body is found with a bizarre hole in the head that was not caused by
The plane crash um and it was very clearly a bullet wound lay out the the details about it in the book uh the plane crash was allegedly caused by an aging navigational system um but the head of navigation at the airport where they were going to land was found shot
In the chest two days later ruled a suicide um and a lot of oddities around that plane crash besides that one of them being that most of the other people on board with Ron bound were people that worked directly with the aformentioned John hang character oh no oh oh you like cut out
Wait sorry what were the last things you said they were I it was like cleaning house on a on a massive scale for this for this stuff am I still here yeah you’re there um okay so I wanted to ask just because you were mentioning Bear
Sterns earlier and I don’t know if you get into this um in the book but great financial crisis are there any ties or can you shed any light that maybe people 2008 yeah yeah oh it’s nuts I didn’t even get into it in the book because I
Didn’t get that far in the timeline um I’ll have to send you the article later um it’s on UNS review is where you can find it there’s a guy that basically shows that Epstein seems to have been the person who collapsed be stens personally how and that’s mental um so
If you read about the cas is um his legal cases um you know it before and after um Epstein was allegedly it’s it turns out it wasn’t true but it was alleged by some that he was involved in investigations into people that forget their names but they were running one of
The funds um that was uh you know held responsible for the collapse of be Sterns and Epstein had allegedly um approached them and asked for his money back um and didn’t get it and so his asking for his money back had sort of prompted that fund to collapse but it
Turns out uh if you read the work of Russ and Pam Martins at Wall Street on Parade it seems like the place the liquid funding it was like a joint venture between Epstein and bar Sterns I believe um again this isn’t in the book so my I I didn’t do the detailed writing
Of this out so my memory on some of this stuff may be a little um hazy I wanted to include it but 900 pages I mean come on I can’t really it has to be a different book so um basically uh according to to the uh Russ and Pam
Martins it looks like that he got bailed out by the Fed so he didn’t really lose the money he supposedly lost he got it back and if you think about his intelligence history his history of financial crimes ER his role and the collapse of Bear Sterns needs to be
Investigated properly W but here’s the problem uh when people actually try to officially investigate Epstein’s finances people end up dead so um the only innocent person to die in recent years as a relate of EP as a you know as related to epine investigation stuff is
The son of the judge that was going to overse the Epstein Deutsche Bank case everyone else that has ended up dead has been you know a co-conspirator or conspirator wow in the case but the only innocent person was the son of the judge who was you know murdered we’re told it
Was this one guy we don’t really know because he was found dead too um so who really knows what happened there uh but he had a background working for coll Associates which comes up in the book a lot and they’re known as the CIA of Wall Street all right let’s talk about
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I I mean are you worried for your life reporting on all this uh no cuz I don’t care I just want these I don’t want my kids to live in this world that’s what it comes down to I mean they can’t kill everyone you know and it’s gotten to a
Point where like things are so bad I mean are we just gonna be like well I don’t want to get Clinton so I’m just gonna shut up and you know do nothing and and let you know our rights get steamrolled and well it’s interesting because it’s it’s not like a few bad
Apples right it’s like the whole Barrel is rotten and torn down and rebuilt do you do you believe that that’s possible uh yeah but I think it it’s going to be you know like I said earlier Americans are psychologically conditioned for top- down control they want a political savior at the top
Telling them what to do in fixing all of our problems what has to happen is that people basically we have to um decentralize right and at the local level we have to start building parallel structures to the stuff going on I mean once they I’m I’m
Sure you guys you talk about this you know cbdcs uh once once that comes out I mean it’s like game on like you join that system you are signing away you know your freedom for good pretty much so something has to happen before then or people have to prepare before then uh
And have some sort of parallel structure in place uh there’s manufactured energy and food crises on the horizon in the US and a lot of the world um there have to be parallel structures in place for you to feed your family and have energy for your family uh and Americans have to get
Started that right away obviously the Biden Administration is not going to solve your problems and even if you manage to I don’t know elect Trump uh two years from now I doubt it will solve anyone’s problems either you know so it’s like it’s up to us we have to you
Know stop waiting for some white night at The Ballot Box and take accountability and responsibility for our own lives and and make resilient communities um and and that’s the way to win well this is a good place to ask you um you’re obviously into Bitcoin when
Did you first hear about it how long have you been in it and do you think that Bitcoin can stand up to the corruption that exists in this system okay so I’m like I like have crypto mainly because um you know Financial sensorship has been a big problem for
Independent media especially in the past couple of years um so like to have you know um D I don’t know diversity of assets I guess you could say like I don’t want to have all my money in cash in the bank or something like that um depending on what could happen because
There’s a lot of different risks and a lot of different ways things could play out so I do have crypto but I also like I don’t promote it because I don’t feel like it’s my place to tell people how to spend their money and what to do in my
Opinion though for me personally I think the best investment I can personally make is in land right now uh you know cuz I can uh have my own house I can at least in Chile uh have like off- grid energy pretty easily and cheaply um you
Know water grow my own food I can take care of my family myself and be like self-sufficient for me personally like that’s the best investment for me to make right now so you know I I’ve listened to a lot of arguments about Bitcoin and stuff and I mean if you’re
All in for it that’s cool if you’re not that’s cool I’m not going to try and like convince people um one way or the other because I feel like again it’s not my place because a lot of the work I do is aimed at at showing you know where
The power really lies and identifying the problems so that you know other people can talk about how to how to solve it you know I have some ideas about like solutions that I think could work but you know I’m the bulk of my work is about trying to identify you
Know the State of Affairs where the roots of the problems lie so you know because we can’t solve any problems unless we know what the problem is right well right right yeah how far down the rabbit hole have you gone in terms of studying Bitcoin just out of curiosity
Um I mean probably not too deeply um I mean yeah so I mean you’re like a Bitcoin show right so you probably know more than me and I know like Marty does obviously yeah well I first saw you on yeah I first saw you on Marty’s show I
Assumed uh I assumed you were way more like Bitcoin as a tool for getting out of some of this stuff and I was gon to ask you about that but it’s but it’s interesting to hear because I feel like if you have you ever read the Bitcoin
Standard by safe and moose uh no but okay so so to answer your question what I like about the Bitcoin people is that they’re like thinking about ways to break out of the system yes and like regardless of whether you believe Bitcoin will do that or not I’d like
That there is a lot of energy and time being thought into thinking about how to get out of the current system and there’s a lot of people that aren’t doing that so I just tend to get along really well with like Bitcoin I don’t know if I’d identify as one
Myself well no I I was curious because the whole idea behind it is to decouple money from the state but you know when you really think about that concept and the push back that I think ultimately we will see I was kind of curious if you think that there’s even a chance for
That because bitcoiners are very bullish they think that it can’t be stopped but at the same time I think it also presents the idea that there could be a a a potentially very violent Clash someday um well yeah so I guess I would say that the cbdc system is like hugely
Unattractive and the only way they can get people to adopt it is by making it very difficult to use anything else other than a cbdc whether that means illegalizing all other forms of money or something more extreme or reducing the value of everything else to zero or near
Zero I mean they have been spending a lot of time thinking about how to do all of these things to get everyone hooked on cbdc so like I said I think you have to be a couple steps ahead of them and ultimately I think you know land is a
Good way to do that um do you go to the extent of kind of um concealing your your online identity or your your like do you have VPN so that people can’t hack into where you’re at or find out your location yeah I mean I have that
Stuff and I use it but I mean yeah they I don’t have any illusions that I’m like act private and they can’t see what I’m doing I mean this stuff is like really extreme anyway the type of Technology um that they have um especially Israel the
Us too though and you’re just not you’re not afraid you’re not even afraid for your family your family members um okay well I mean obviously I have kids so you know I want my kids to be fine um but as I see it um fear it weakens you and so
You know there’s a reason why with the the coid stuff and everything else you know it’s been a lot of fear on the population people who are afraid are easy to control yep um and to paraphrase uh Dune you one of the most famous science fiction books I guess they’re
Making it do a movie it’s whatever but anyway the the book right is pretty old and there’s a line in there that says something like a fear is the mind killer uh it’s very true I mean if you’re afraid all the time uh they’re going to
Take you for a ride going to take you to town and you’re not going to win so the only way to beat these people is to literally have zero fear of them well I know you talk you’ve talked before you know they it it seems like that type of
Environment it thrives on crisis right because that Sparks a lot of fear and then people give up control and freedom um so we’re going from the coid to it seems like a climate crisis right a lot of bitcoiners talk about this we’re hearing in the news more and more about
The world economic Forum can you explain exp a little bit about um WF and maybe CLA Schwab for people out there that don’t know when they hear these names they’re like what’s going on okay so the world economic forum’s been around since the 70s but 1971 the same decoupling
From Gold by the way what happened in 1971 yeah I mean a lot of stuff went on so basically CLA Schwab is is sort of like a pupil of Henry Kissinger who uh for people that don’t know Secretary of State under Nixon you may know him best
For but he’s really just a part of the international Camp um you know sort of a stooge I guess you could say for the Rockefeller family who are tied to a lot of things including you know the trilateral commission which basically pushes more or less for uh Global
Government um and the Council on Foreign Relations and a lot of other influential think tanks uh anyway the world economic Forum was basically created as a think tank it’s it later styled itself as the a premier promoter of public private Partnerships as they’re often called today uh but what they really are are
The the merging of the state with corporations which historically has been defined as fascism and I don’t really see it as anything different than that so um over time the W has basically promoted private public private Partnerships everywhere and essentially as far as uh the power structure in
Which it is influential I want to put them at the top but in which you know the network in which they reside um people like Ian Davis have called it the global public private partnership I think it’s fair to say that so basically um you know what they what these
Institutions do is they sort of create policy that is then basically given to governments and the governments don’t really create the legislation they pass anymore they just basically do it um and uh there’s people in the middle I guess um so I don’t know if you look at
Something like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for example they either create policies or they take them from places like the we or the C um or groups like that and then they go to governments a lot of times they give money to governments or they give money
To uh the UN or the wh or something like that and they’re like adopt these policies so who is CLA Schwab and what is his vision for the world and okay uh CLA Schwab is the son uh well okay so if you go to my website unlimited
Hangout.com uh we have about I guess three articles now on Schwab that are all written by Johnny vmore so uh Johnny went really far back into the family history of CLA Schwab um but what’s important is his father who was obviously a seminal figure in CLA
Schwab’s uh life who ran a Nazi model company in Germany that used slave labor during the war in ravensburg Germany uh for a company called echer Vice that was involved in the Nazi atomic bomb program uh later after the war um yeah Schwab studies at Harvard becomes a Kissinger
Pupil and all of this and then he ends up running uh being involved in the same company his father ran um helping it through a merger it becomes I think solcer eer Vice and at that time CLW is on the board they’re uh basically trying to Aid the apartheid era South African
Government obtain an atomic bomb also um so uh later on you know Schwab with the involvement of of Kissinger and some other people including the alleged inspiration for Doctor Strange Love Herman Khan go on to create the uh World econ OMC Forum which quickly gets involved with a group called The Club of
Rome uh which is very interested in the well there it promoted heavily their initial paper which I think was 7172 uh called the limits to growth which is all about this idea of overpopulation um and sort of the basis for the the modern environmental movement uh and an alleged co-founder of
The world economic Forum Forum according to CLA Schwab was a man named Marie strong Who is credited as is sort of the father of modern-day climate change science or rather I would say climate change alarmism um and is a big promoter of you know the same depopulation type
Of uh narrative um among other things but Marie Strong’s background is an oil again the Rockefellers this is a Rockefeller guy and so the Rockefeller family historically is intimately involved in Eugenics they they even funded the Nazi eugenic program um and later on um you know the Brit the head
Of the British eugenic society which is part of the same you know group more or less Julian Huxley he became director general of UNESCO um after World War II and in in laying out his vision for UNESCO which again is part of the un uh Julian Huxley said we have to make the
Unthinkable thinkable again talking directly about Eugenics wow and about roughly a decade later he uh coins the term Julian Huxley coins the term transhumanism and basically says this is the new Eugenics that it’s not about race science so much anymore it’s about using technology and genetic engineering
Um to um you know basically enact Eugenics and and this includes like the merging of human and machine so that goes back you know to the to the 50s to these people involved with Eugenics uh the Rockefeller Foundation still involved with it today um this idea of of transhumanism
So when you hear someone like CLA Schwab for example talk about the fourth Industrial Revolution that it’s a merging he says of our digital and biological selves this is essentially what they’re talking about um what do that look like in the future for like the average person if this were to to
Take place okay so the way they like to sell this stuff is by being like Oh it’s a new era for Humanity think of all the progress that can be done with these Technologies but if you look at these types of eugenesis and how they think they’re very classist and as I mentioned
Earlier we’re moving towards Neo feudalism so that vision of being you know basically Gods on Earth by being augmented by machines and stuff is for the elite not for the rest of us um someone I would encourage people to look at in terms of this vision would be HG
Wells who’s the famous author but he’s also a famous eugenicist um he was also part of the British Eugenics Society um and he basically put out this idea that you know in not that long from when he was writing it in the early 20th century
That there was going to be two h two race of humanity one were going to be you know the elite essentially and the other would be uh squat likee dwarves who served the the smart goodlook humans who like ate bugs yeah so um yeah so this genetic
Engineering stuff and all of that um especially given you know the Neo feudal Outlook of all of this it seems very likely that they’re looking to use it that way and to make a class of humans who are subservient and can never be able to challenge their servitude like
They won’t even be able to uh physically or mentally conceive of it right that’s ultimately where uh this is going so it just kind of makes me have you seen WALL-E WALL-E like years ago when it came out I don’t really remember it there’s like this big spaceship and all
The people are plugged in and like they’re super fat and like drinking they can’t even walk anymore yeah they can’t walk anymore and they their existence is just like this virtual reality up in space yeah I mean that’s the metaverse but it the metaverse is really creepy
First of all it’s like a CIA military project originally and Facebook itself is actually an outgrowth of DARPA from the Pentagon anyway and so there’s a reason they’re now like the metaverse company because they’re the ones that are you know trying to carve out the biggest stake in it whether or not they
Do that uh we will see but there’s basically people in mainstream media who have said the worse life gets for uh us here uh the more you’ll want to live in the metaverse meaning like the more miserable we make your existence the more likely that you will agree to be
You know basically plugged into the Matrix well and I think part of it is they’re they’re making it seem like the world around us is boiling and and getting destroyed right can you kind of um maybe correct the The Narrative out there about what’s happening really with
The climate and energy um because it sounds great right it sounds like the most well-intentioned idea that we want zero emissions we want to protect our beautiful planet um meanwhile they’re like cutting down trees which are the only thing that can take in the carbon dioxide right and uh and we don’t have
The energy infrastructure and China is in control of all the manufacturing when it comes to solar and wind and batteries so like can you just kind of correct what’s out there okay so I mean if you look at um the organizations responsible for implementing the race to Net Zero
And all of this stuff you’re going to find a bunch of Bankers it’s Bankers it’s Wall Street Bankers it’s Central Bankers uh the enemies of bitcoiners basically are the people behind this um so I’ll give you an example um because I’m hoping to do a lot of work in this
Space um later on and I’ve already done some of it so uh last year I wrote about a u the Rockefeller Foundation again um basically creating something called a new asset class that was accepted by the New York Stock Exchange they’re called natural asset corporations um yeah so basically you
Can a coalition of stakeholders you know that’s World economic Forum speak can basically buy um you know natural resources and uh charge people to use them or decide how they’re managed and it’s basically you know the way they they map it out on their website is um it’s basically
Opening a new Financial class by financializing and securitizing the natural world so you know and it’s not just natural Capital you know that’s what I’ve written about before human capital Social Capital your relationships your livelihood um you know all of that is to be financialized
And and all of that so um well the goal is profit obviously the goal is for them to profit they’re taking nature for them to profit and consolidate wealth even further and further and Justified all as good for the planet and the fact that people are going to trust the worst
People in the world the most predatory people in Corporate America like Bill Gates and mental and um Bankers the worst most criminal banks in the world like I was reading one of about the blue economy because they’re securitizing the world’s oceans as we speak and um wow
Yeah and Deutsche Bank is a big part of that and they’re like we just decided we love the ocean uh so trust us you know it’s just because we just randomly decided us the most you know one of the most criminal Banks ever that enable money launderers and is like you know
We’re about to collapse at any moment we just love the ocean so much we want to save it so um trust us wild and we’re making all these new financing facilities and I was reading a thing by the another group that is doing a debt for uh conservation uh schemes with governments
In Latin America now um and basically uh they’re the new IMF in terms of debt slavery it’s like um you know uh we’re gonna give you a blue Bond and we’re gonna sell you we’re gonna give you a blue loan to restructure that’s what they’re calling it it’s the same [ __ ]
But they’re putting blue and green like in front of it if it’s the ocean it’s blue and if it’s you know not it’s green right a green loan so you can restructure your debt for con conservation but what a lot of it is is preventing human subsistence activity on
Land or in the ocean so like eliminating the ability of like small scale Fisher uh Fisheries or like subsistence fishery or small scale farming or stuff like that like taking people off of the land in the name of protecting it but these people don’t care about protecting it
Because they want to mine literally the whole they want to strip mine the whole [ __ ] planet to make electric vehicles yeah uh and build the smart cities so so how would one of these natural asset companies work like can you give give an example of like with with
The in November so I’m going to refer people to my article on it so if you search for it on my website unlimited hangout.com you’ll get the article because I you know it was almost a year ago and I had a baby and wrote a book so
A lot has happened um so as far as I can remember it’s it’s basically they identify an asset they quantify for all these goobly guck algorithms that they themselves have made or related organiz ations like Coalition for natural Capital have have made up um and then they determine how that can be
Profitable and they you know they it goes on the stock exchange and you can buy part of it so like you like you they would take a portion of the ocean or like the Amazon rainforest so for yeah so it’s more like rainforest for now with the ocean they’re doing different
Stuff and so one of these ocean things that I’m looking into now is called like the ocean risk and resilience Alliance or something it’s funded by the UK government and the Canadian government and it’s like we’re going to save the world’s oceans by making 50 unique Financial products and it’s like no but
I don’t know they call them nature-based Solutions or NBS was how they’re selling a lot of this financial gooly guck and most of it are either like loans uh bonds or Insurance packages there’s a lot of big like massive insurance companies involved with a lot of this
Stuff so how I mean basically in general the scam is um you’re claiming to protect you know natural Capital you’re taking control or ownership of the natural world and you end up actually being able to do whatever you want with that land or that natural Capital as
Long as you uh I don’t know like with carbon credits or something you just pay a credit or you make some sort of you know Financial mechanism or financial gimmick to get around the fact that you’re not actually protecting it because you’ll be offsetting you know
Through all this you know it’s just it’s a scam it’s a it’s a banker scam the bankers have been literally looting the world they’ve been sucking us dry and so now they’re on to suck dry the natural world so man gonna have to bring up my natural
Asset Corporation thing but if this is the direction it’s going if how do we fix it like how do we take it in the direction especially with people kind of willingly buying into this stuff especially if it has these great names blue green Save the Planet you know
Rarded um do your part I feel like that’s the message over the last two years like we’re all it’s we have to do our part right um what’s the solution okay so I think with this climate change stuff we have to talk to the left maybe the left doesn’t want to
Talk to us I I like used to be on the left for a long time now I’m sort of like an anarchist territory because I like I hate everyone that’s how I feel at the end of the day um well like politicians and stuff you know so um I I
But I think you know the people really buy into the climate change stuff we have to be like do you really think like think do you think Financial products will save this do you think this is something the big Banks uniquely can save carbon markets because I mean people that are like into
Environmentalism you know they’re into stuff like smallscale organic agriculture or the idea of putting a solar panel on your roof and all of the stuff and none of the stuff they are offering here is like that no talk about reforesting no talk about having backyard vegetable gardens none of that
Is here okay and the same people that are pitching this stuff to you are like the same people that have destroyed the environment right because not even talking about climate change or whatever is there right there are environmental issues that are really bad there’s like a lots of major contamination issues um
The ocean has a major contamination issue I mean there’s a lot of major stuff there are species dying off they like to blame climate change but a lot of it is not because of that and has been going you know I mean it’s yeah I don’t want to get into all the the
Details but there’s definitely some major environmental concerns that are easily recognizable I mean just look at the United States in in the inable water right you know um or fracking or something like that like obviously there are major issues to be addressed so anyway all of the solutions were being
Offered are not that and if you’re going to trust I mean supposedly people on the left hate billionaires why are they being like yeah Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates right um tell us how to how to solve all our problems I mean it makes
No sense um so I think we have to pop people out of their bubbles yeah and inform environmentalists about at least start with the natural asset corporations no one on the left is going to like that because we really need everyone because these people are going to destroy the planet and they’re going
To destroy the species with their transhumanist crap um so it has to be stopped so anyway I pulled up my U natural asset article so I can remember this so basically they have the section on their website um the people behind the natural asset Corporation half of which is Rockefeller Foundation um ieg
Is the name of the the group behind it so they have on their website the opportunity infographic about the natural asset corporations and it shows that the traditional eony economy has goods and services at a value of 90 trillion asset value of 512 trillion in the traditional existing economy but
Nature’s economy has an asset value of 4,000 trillion 4,000 trillion I was like oh yeah so they can just loot more than ever before I mean that’s basically what it is is to like open up a new casino and Feeding Frenzy uh because you know the bubble everything they’ve done it
You know 2008 that was never the structural problems there were never fixed it’s just kicking the can down the road and so they can pump more you know into the system and have another crazy Casino POA of they just they paper one bubble over with another one and then
They escape accountability right so like when you think about the future you have you have young kids right you have you have a baby you have a four-year-old like do you do you think about the future with hope or do you feel like oh you know because the majority of people
Sort of conform and they’re not well educated or well informed it’s going to go to hell in a hand basket um okay I guess it’s kind of a compli complicated question for me to answer so I guess with kids um you know I just do the best best I can and try
And and provide the best I can thinking in the long term you know assuming that everything is going to collapse around us um one of the reason I have kids is because you know uh there are people out there trying to depopulate the freaking whole world um I don’t want to let them
Win um they made it really hard to have kids I mean one of the reasons I’m still in Chile is because it’s way cheaper to have kids here than in the states um just the cost of living in the US they’ve made it like really hard to like
Successfully raise a family like you have to have a lot of um a lot more Capital than you need here to be able to do that so um you know I don’t really I don’t think I’m necessarily pessimistic because frankly with the coid stuff I think they really overplayed their hand
And and more people are sort of figuring it out in their own way like so in Chile right the media Empire is really controlled Independent Media doesn’t like really exists like it does in in the English speaking World um and people are just like sick of this stuff and and
They’re like this is all crap I mean a lot of people because of the history of Chile tend to go along with what the government says um you know because of the whole pet thing and stuff so you know they don’t like to rock the boat
Generally speaking um and you know I can understand why that is given the history but I mean they they know it’s like theater you know but I think when it comes to a point where it’s like you know they’re gonna there’s going to be like red lines in the sand that even
People that aren’t like well educated are going to be like no and I think it’s going to I think it’s going to play out a lot differently than these these people think um I think these people and talking about the elite or the powers that be you know whatever word you want
To use for them um they’re really cocky they’re really arrogant and they view the rest of us as subhuman so what I mentioned earlier about the eugenic stuff they literally want to make us subhuman but they see us that way already right so um I don’t agree with
That you know so I think um you know people are going to surprise them and people aren’t going to want to go along with uh their plans because it’s it’s antihuman and it’s also anti-life so you know a lot of the stuff they want to do to people whether it’s transhumanism or
Whatever I mean they want to do that to the Natural World this whole idea of like 5G and putting a sensor in everything creating the internet of all things and forcing everything into the cloud putting a chip and everything’s right there’s people that believe that they’re called Data is you know you’ve
All know a Harari who sort of become infamous recently yeah yeah he’s sort of the prophet of this movement Ray kurile I guess you could say is another one um and and they want to be Gods on Earth and all this stuff and uh youve all know what Harari openly says like dataism
Will force Heretics who don’t want to be connected to be connected and stuff like basically saying like we’ll chip you against your your will and stuff like this I mean it’s very nefarious but it’s very like they can’t get away with that I mean it and also it’s them assuming
That their technology is as great as they think it is and it’s not uh because if it was the singularity would have already happened and I’ve argued in my work on like their artificial on artificial intelligence stuff um The Singularity can’t happen um and they’re very desperate to try and find some way
To make it happen and a lot of their plans hinge on that on this super intelligent AI that they BAS Bally a lot of these people see as some sort of like God figure um you know isn’t going to they can’t make it work because AI is
Basically trained on a bunch of data and it’s only as good as the data it’s trained on so yeah Singularity what are you referring to exactly uh it’s like super intelligent AI that outp pass that surpasses human intelligence okay yeah uh well so do I mean do you think that
There will be an uprising against this that would you know Su like will there be factions I mean um I don’t know if you’re familiar with bellagi he recently wrote a book called Network state where he believes that after Decades of globalization we’re going to see the
Opposite it’s going to be a movement towards decentralization there’s going to be some uh Nations that are very very controlled uh China being one of them under cbdcs and maybe more Draconian measures others where there is more of a free Society like where do you see the
World playing how do you see it playing out over the next couple decades well I think decentralization is really the only way out um I don’t know if I necessarily follow his model because I I I I have actually open on my browser right now to read his his book to see
What he’s saying and whether I’m going to hate him or not but no I’m joking but um I’m in I’m interested in in what he has to say I guess but you know I don’t necessarily trust a lot of tech Executives um at the end of the day
Right no worries no worries well I want I wanted to also ask you too just about the news in general because you’re an independent investigative journalist um my background is is news and now I’m kind of venturing off on my own which I’m really grateful that the internet
Has and and Bitcoin have allowed me the chance to do that and I’m kind of conflicted whenever I think about the mainstream news because one of the reasons I wanted to leave and I became so passionate about Bitcoin is I did see our country going in this direction of
Just more and more polarization more Division and I felt like not all the places that I worked but some of them they were just buying into this narrative and regurgitating whatever you know federal agencies or certain people were saying without without presenting the counter argument or counter and and really being skeptical holding
Their feet to the um and I I just felt like we’re supposed to be that fourth Branch right that’s supposed to really go after the powerful and we shouldn’t be their lap dogs right we should be the Watchdogs not the lap dogs and I felt like that was happening less and less
But I didn’t really understand how because my colleagues my peers that I would work with on a daily basis the the reporters The Producers on an individual level they had really good intentions maybe they weren’t well educated in how the financial system worked or things like that because and I think that’s a
Bigger problem with our education system but like on an individual level there was no conspiracy there was no like trying to get a bias in it was more so when you zoom out at the big picture so like what’s your take on how we got to this place where mainstream media is
Really distrusted but also super biased um you know I I’m unfortunately like I don’t have that inside perspective like you do or like someone maybe that was in other types of Main media like I don’t really know uh any of them personally so I I don’t really have those um insights um I
Do know though that like when you’re talking about like the big like nationally watched stuff more so than local news I think there is a lot more like control over what stories do and don’t get published um and you know local news tends to be more local and
Focus right yeah um so um but you know increasingly you have like the ownership of of media becoming more Consolidated all the time it’s mostly like six companies I think now own pretty much all of it um and it’s probably going to be less and less every every year or so
Um so that’s obviously a problem um and um you know now you’re having like online censorship and stuff where they’re basically trying to eliminate people that do offer the other perspective and only have you know authoritative sources be permitted on social media and this is like something
That goes back to the early days of the internet I talk about 160 minutes uh investigation uh in the 1990s that basically poo pooed the idea that anyone uh that wasn’t approved uh could publish information online back in like 1995 and it’s the same narrative we’re hearing
Now so they’ve been saying this for a long time but now they have a lot more tools to I guess stop us from you’ve been deplatformed right yeah from patreon well for me it’s mostly been um like Financial censorship like I mentioned earlier like trying to keep me
From uh getting money from supporters because I don’t have any like funders behind me I’m like crowdfunded exclusively and this is what I wanted to talk to I want to make sure that to get this in before we um before we wrap up
And I I can talk to you for hours um a Cyber attack I know you’ve mentioned in other interviews and in your writings you know there were preparations for like a supposed coid uh pandemic and and simulations right but then there was a Cyber attack one and what ever happened
With that like what’s happening with the with PR preparations for a supposed Cyber attack that could take down even you know energy grids okay so most of the they’ve been talking about Cyber attack on the on the energy grids and all the stuff in the media for a while
And cyber security companies many of which are tied to intelligence I’ve been talking about that for a while too but if you want to look at people like uh the world economic forum and their Partners they talk about cyber attacks too but it’s almost entirely focused on
The financial system and some of the biggest banks in the world are part of that and it’s basically um you know they have a plan uh we don’t know what it is um but they have a plan for what happens if there is a Cyber attack on the
Financial system and how all the big banks are going to respond with the government because this is basically the biggest banks in the world and it’s uh the UK government Israel’s government and the US government including the FBI and Department of Justice all part this thing it’s called partnership against
Cyber crime uh at the world economic forum and I’ve written about it pretty extensively if you go to my website and you look up like we partnership against cyber crime you’ll find my my two-part series on on all this stuff um because a lot of people probably heard about cyber
Polygon which is like the W’s big simul simulation for a Cyber attack but that’s like an annual exercise uh so they they’ve done several of those but then again it’s it’s mainly again with banks so it’s co-hosted by a subsidiary of spur bank which is one of Russia’s biggest I think actually Russia’s
Biggest bank partially state-owned which is kind of ironic when you consider Russian hackers you know and all the concern about that and you know the the US government’s participating in in cyber polygon for example like why aren’t they concerned about Russian hackers then I mean it’s just it’s a
Joke so anyway it’s mostly Banks it’s Banks cyber security companies and like should people be worried about their accounts um so I mean think about it this way the and a lot of people in the finance World pretty much know this um you know the collapse economic collapse
Is basically an inevitability at this point like a mathematical inevitability the question is just like when it’s going to collapse and so obviously the people in power know that and they want to manage that collapse to you know herd people into cbdcs at least we can see
That whole picture now maybe a couple years ago that wasn’t so obvious but now it’s pretty obvious right so they want to manage the collapse in such a way where they can do that right so part of this is how are they going to bring it all down but absolve themselves of blame
They don’t want to repeat 2008 where there was Occupy Wall Street and civil unrest against the banks they want to have a another boogie man what better Boogeyman than faceless hackers and you can you know attribute anything to any hacker so for example you have like Wikileaks before Julian Assange was uh
You know disappeared basically um he comes out with uh Wikileaks publishes Vault 7 which shows that the CIA has the ability and if the CIA has the ability most intelligence agencies have the ability uh to put fingerprints as it was called software fingerprints I guess of
Any Count’s um uh spy agencies in uh you know what’s left after a hack right so they can basically false flag I guess you could say any you know do any sort of Cyber attack and blame whoever they want um and so that’s probably if I were criminal big Banks working with the
Government and the fed and the treasury about how to how to manage this you know that’s what I would pick wow because I mean if you’re basically just creating money by like typing stuff in you know I mean you can just make it disappear and then make it reappear but oh now we’ve
Made it reappear and it’s cbdcs but it wasn’t our fault blame those guys you know yeah yeah yeah so they have they have a game plan for this we don’t know it because it’s part of this um they’re like information I forget forget the acronym but all these different
Sectors in the US they have they’re called isacs that’s it okay so it’s like an information sharing and Analysis Center by all the big players in a particular industry so the financial industry wallet uh Wall Street has an ISAC I forget exactly what it’s uh
Called but I talk about it um and and they work with the we and they have a plan that they’ve done at the ISAC which is like a meeting of the biggest banks and Financial products companies and asset comp whatever in in the world or
In the US sorry so they all have a private communication platform where they all to get get together and talk about stuff and so they have a contingency plan about what to do in the event of a Cyber attack that takes down the financial system okay so they know
What they’re gonna do we just don’t know yeah right this is all like amazing and it it goes back to what we said earlier about how we idealize some of these politicians like we have the squad but even on the other side like people think that Trump’s gonna solve everything in
2024 and it’s like meanwhile these people are Insider training trading and you know on a salary a $200,000 Congress salary they’re actually multi multi-millionaires it’s like what is wrong with the system yeah yeah so it it’s a mess um but anyway the endgame of the we partnership against cyber crime
It’s not just this financial trans transition it’s more broadly focused on the end of online anonymity and privacy entirely um so you have the Cyber attack right probably going to usher in a cbdc thing something like that and this partnership against cyber crime is intimately involved in all of these
Preparations but another thing that these people want is to have what was dreamed up under the Obama Administration it never was put into practice but it was called a driver’s license for the internet is what they referred to it um and similar ideas have been piloted by the US uh sorry the UK
In the EU the idea that you have to in order to access on or they started with act to access social media that’s what they’re doing in the EU and the UK to access social media you have to link your government ID or a government issued ID to your account and they say
This is going to stop hate speech or stop uh illegal Financial activity online and all of this stuff they’re gonna suppress Free Speech they don’t want say yeah but if you look at you know policy papers talking about the we again but you know other organizations partnered have partnered with them on
This um the digital ID agenda which vaccine passports were sort of a trojan horse for um they want to tie your cbdcs to that they want to tie your medical history to that your ability to travel all of the stuff but you know they say in that document digital IDs are about
Deciding what you do and do not have access to but also so like you know we saw this with vaccine passports where you can travel where you can’t travel that you can’t go right what services you can receive which ones you can’t but it’s also what information you can and
Can’t access I mean they say it really openly there so the idea is to have it they even have a Graphic of it yeah in this 2018 policy paper um that you know tie it to your social media accounts the ID and also tie it to your internet
Access and your phone access period so the idea is to usher in the system and if you can’t live without your phone or you can’t live without the internet you’re going to get it you’re going to join the slave system uh because they’re going to make it the only way you can
Get online but I mean at that point the internet just so people know if you’re thinking well yeah maybe I should then because I can’t live without online whatever yeah okay it the Internet won’t be fun once they do that like everything that’s fun about the internet will go
Away just want to be really clear about that but they claim this is the only way to move forward again the partnership against cyber crime which the FBI and doj are part of I will have you know um basically say the only it’s the only way
To stop cyber crime is to make everyone have a to be completely trackable everything they do and it’s surveilled in real time online and uh you know end privacy and anonymity and surveil everyone and the US government has well they’ve launched it already it was PL it
Was going to be launched under trump it was like IV Ivanka and kushner’s project or that that they were pitching to Trump called harp uh harpa which is oh yeah Health DARPA but now Biden has launched it under a slightly different name arpa H he moved the H to the end but it’s
Still Health arpa um and that program as originally designed was to go through all your social media and online data to determine early warning signs of neuros psychiatric violence that one day you could become violent which you know is pre- crime basically and so if it’s tied
So if it’s tied to your ID and it comes up be beep this person could be violent you know it’s your ID they know where you live they can turn off your money with cbdcs I can do it all that’s what we’re moving into it’s totally mental so
Yeah Whitney you’re such a big bitcoiner you don’t even know it yet okay before we wrap up I want to Circle back to your book 900 Pages two volumes Epstein intelligence all these links um what else do you want people to know because I feel like given everything we’ve talked about we’ve only
Scratched the surface in terms of what’s what’s been reported the uh the little black book The Client List isn’t out right like where is that thing yeah I mean you’re never going to get that people that are like waiting for The Client List you’re going to be waiting forever the government’s never
Going to give it to you H stop waiting you know I think what we need to do is start like looking at all this the broader picture of Epstein and I think then they’re gonna want to give you the Client List instead of digging into things like Mark Middleton and the other
Stuff but you know here’s the thing about Epstein yeah so I don’t think they were ever going to a rescaling Maxwell I think it’s because uh after Epstein was out of the picture the story didn’t get memory hold and people were like demanding accountability and anwers
Still and they were like all right I guess we have to get around to arresting Maxwell then because you know they were like was really obvious she was a co-conspirator and she was getting off getting away with it and all this stuff okay so now they’re they’re hoping well
Justice has been done galen’s been locked away she had a trial so the justice system still works there’s nothing to worry about no no no no no people can’t go back to sleep on this there has to be major demands uh for investigation that go like in my
Opinion far beyond the sex crimes there’s a lot to come out um and so you know if that was successful in affecting the Maxwell stuff there needs to continue to be pressure about the Epstein story and the only way you can really understand the Epstein story in
My opinion is is by reading the book because I uh I go through all of it uh you’re not at least everything that’s like in terms of Open Source intelligence available yeah um you know and there’s a lot more even beyond what I wrote about to find out and it it
Really needs to come out because otherwise um we’re not really going to understand the extent of the crimes of the people who are still here I mean talking about like Leslie Wexner for example nothing’s happened to him right and as I point out in the book he’s like
He’s like basically an organized crime kingpen that guy uh how old is he now too old not kissing old but close so who would you say besides Epstein are like the three biggest characters that that you cover in your book is Leslie one of them the gates
Clinton Bill Bill Gates is like in one chapter uh really heavily focused on on on Microsoft and Epstein in general um that relationship goes back to the 90s it is a total lie that it began in 2011 and uh the reason there’s been a cover
In my opinion is not so much to protect Bill Gates it’s it’s to protect Microsoft um because there’s major problems with Microsoft Epstein was close to in the Maxwells were close to many Executives and one and I mean Epstein was going on Microsoft Russia official trips in the 90s and stuff and
There’s photographic evidence of all of that so and isn’t Microsoft building our election machines election technology uh I don’t know if they’re involved with elections but they’re military contractors that I mean most I mean anything that runs Windows runs Microsoft so if you have intelligence agent and I mean the Maxwell family has
A history of bugging software with back doors for the use of intelligence foreign intelligence um that’s what Robert Maxwell did in the 80s it’s called The Promise uh promise software uh he basically uh put a back door uh for foreign intelligence agencies into our most secretive nuclear research labs
And he was enabled to do that by Henry Kissinger and John Tower who was a Senator um and there was no accountability it’s all documented though I mean this is not like conspiracy it’s real so uh the FBI still won’t release uh all its documents on Robert Maxwell in promise because of
National Security but from what they have released uh it’s very there was a foreign Counter Intelligence investigation into what he was doing and they let him sell the software to that place anyway even mawell was an Israeli official wasn’t he oh he was he was working for Israeli intelligence but he
Was also had a relationship with the KGB uh UK intelligence I mean he was very uh had his hands in a lot of pies and his m one of his main business partners by the time he died was one of the biggest uh Mob figures in Russia Sime and
Movich uh and he actually allowed him to get into the US Financial system by getting him an Israeli passport wow oh yeah because galain had all these passports right that that the victim said yeah s so who’s the top like who’s the most powerful man in the world really
Okay I don’t really know who’s the most powerful person on the top uh and I don’t I don’t claim to know that but I think if you uh go through the book you know I tried to basically do like what can be documented about these people in
These crimes over time and you notice the same names pop up over and over again yeah um it’s it’s very disturbing right I don’t even think people like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos are at the top but they definitely they probably know who is um but I mean people have to
Start like looking at the world really seriously right now and so basically what this book is is like a well documented search for the the you know the answers there and what can be documented about uh organized crime and intelligence and I think it has a lot of
Uh it it should be of great interest to people particularly interested in the financial aspect of what’s going on today because it documents a lot of the financial crimes and how we got here um in a big way and Epstein was a big part of that uh so were things like BCCI the
Savings and Loan crisis of 80s um and a lot of these economic crises have just been wealth transfer after wealth transfer who keeps getting the money who keeps getting richer and richer I mean that’s who’s at the top at the end of the day you know which person among them
Is the most powerful I don’t really know but um you know I don’t say like they in the book a lot you know in the interview I have right but in the book it’s all names so if people want to take their conclusions from that they can and you
Know the idea is read the research I’ve done check the sourcing please check it it’s very good everyone thinks it’s great that’s Reddit so in terms of you know so like make your own conclusions you don’t have to agree with me but like look at it engage with the material
Let’s have a discussion about it don’t just be like CH conspiracy theor because the whole idea of the portive of conspiracy theorists is to keep you from engaging with the material it’s for you to dismiss it and be like oh I won’t even entertain the thought of that
Because conspiracy theory you know we have to start engaging how we got here um and so basically the book goes from the 40s the early 2000s um basically more or less to when Epstein was arrested the first time I do get a little bit into what he was doing
After his first arrest because he was making a big push into Silicon Valley stuff um so I get into some of that in there but I don’t again I didn’t get to the 2008 financial crisis I didn’t get to um why I think he was allowed to be
Taken down I think a lot of that has to do with his relationship with Muhammad bin Salman in Saudi Arabia personally but I didn’t you know didn’t have time in 900 too long it got too long so I didn’t want to write three books and like die uh because it was hard enough
To do two with a baby and a four-year-old well look I’m I’m so excited to read this uh I know a lot of people are so where can people get your book as well as support you okay so uh you can support me by going to my unlimited hangout.com to find about uh
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There there is information about the book on my website but the best way to buy it if you’re in the Continental us if you want a physical copy is direct from the publisher uh which is tr day TR I ne day.com you go to upcoming releases
I think you might have to go to the second page if it’s not on the first page um but there’s a bundle uh for both books and so that’s definitely much cheaper than buying them both separately though there is going to be an audiobook and ebook available but it’ll be
Available after the physical copies like for people who already pre-order uh you get both books by before the end of the month uh so everyone else that like if you only ordered book two you have to wait till like October uh to get is there a glossery with all the names
Because you just like there’s and there’s and and each each volume has an index amazing yeah awesome well thank you so much uh Whitney anything you want to leave people with you know some of the people watching are familiar with you some of them maybe this is their
First time and and I think like at the end of the day for for us the you know the people that aren’t in the elites we’re we all just want one thing right we want to live a good life make it good for our family hopefully bring kids into
The world that see something better than what we had I mean I I think truly like a at the end of the day a lot of us have a lot more common um tot what do you want to leave people with in terms of just what they can do in their lives no
Matter what industry they’re in and what they’re doing they’re looking at the the world and thinking God where are we going with all this like what what’s your final message so I think what the way they want people to feel is feel overwhelmed like they’re too small and
They can’t do anything about it and for them to be afraid all the time okay so um there are a lot of small things you can do to change things and really I mean it doesn’t have to necessarily be like hom setting and getting off the grid and all of that because everyone
Doesn’t have the financial ability to do that especially not like right away you know so I mean it can be something just as small as like being nice to people around you or like striking up conversation with your neighbors because so many people like socialize online almost exclusively these days they don’t
Even know who their neighbors are and if there’s a crisis you’re cut off from the internet you need to know who your neighbors are um and have some sort of like you know koder com I can’t even talk anymore my throat’s so messed up you have to have some sort of rapport
With them right so um it it makes sense to just get out there in the real world we need to be less online I think it the idea of like uh printing stuff off and like leaving it places so people will read it articles or I mean you know or
Even like get Reviving making your own like mini local newspaper something there are people that do that in the US that like publish my stuff and put it you know out locally and stuff um it’s really all about getting local and you know like you said most Americans
Especially have a lot in common at the end of the day um and everything is being thrown at us especially right now to divide us um more than ever and they want that because there’s this whole war on domestic Terror infrastructure that’s been being built up really since the
1980s uh but Biden’s been a part of it for a long time uh especially in the 1990s the bills he introduced after the OKC bombing are just like mental and are all about domestic Terror and here he is now president launching the war on domestic Terror you know all the Maga
People are a threat to our democracy which is like half the country I mean it’s totally insane but the whole idea is to have Americans angry and hating each other because divide and conquer that’s how it works okay so you know it’s all about doing everything you can
To have that not happen okay so you’re GNA have someone angry at you for political views do your best to defuse it you know it’s like Jesus time turn the other cheek be super nice to everyone I mean that’s I think a big way
To undo a lot of this a lot of this stuff you know big be the be the bigger guy at the end of the day you know and that’s like small stuff you know that’s just like a behavioral whatever I mean it’s it doesn’t cost anything to do that
Yeah um and it’s it’s you know fighting the system these days and question it question it too many people don’t question it they just listen to the news it’s like this is fact question it h yeah all right well thank you so much Whitney I know I know you probably need
Some water all of that thank you so much for taking the time I’d love to do this again if you um I want to read the book and then I want to do it again too because then I’ll have all that knowledge but thank you for taking the
Time I really appreciate it and uh we will be supporting you and and awaiting your book all right thanks so much thank you so much for checking out this episode I would love to hear from you if you have any guests suggestions or feedback make sure again that you’re
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