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welcome to Crossroads there is a new
Global push for digital currencies
they’re going to monitor all of your
payments and control them and Swift
payment system is now planning to roll
out a platform that is going to connect
the emerging Central Bank digital
currencies that
cbdcs into a single Global Network a One
World Currency system and the system is
expected to launch maybe in 1 to 2 years
saying 12 to 24 months now already more
than 90% of the world’s central banks
are exploring digital currencies and the
new network show plans in place to
coordinate these in all parts of the
world now in this special discussion we
sit down with Donald Kendall he is the
co-director of the socialism Research
Center at the Heartland Institute and
Donald is also the host in the of the in
the tank podcast and he served as a
researcher and contributor for Glenn be
books arguing that socialists the great
reset Joe Biden and the rise of the 2021
Century fascism and dark future
uncovering the great resets terrifying
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now first of all folks there was a
pretty big issue recently but let’s
invite Donald on with us now
thank you for having me on thanks for
being here oh of course anytime yeah so
first off there was a pretty big issue
recently it was announced that Swift is
planning to launch a platform for Global
Central Bank digital currencies in the
next one or two years this will
basically connect all the global cbdcs
to each other now I want to show you
Reuters first it says the move which
will be one of the most significant yet
for the N cbdc ecosystem given Swift’s
key role in global banking is likely to
be fin tuned to when the first major
ones are launched it notes that around
90% of the world’s central banks as we
mentioned are now exploring digital
versions of their currencies and uh
Donald I want to ask you I guess first
of all like why do cbdcs matter because
people might say well don’t we already
use credit cards don’t we already use
digital forms of payment like what’s the
difference why should we care about
cbdcs yeah there’s two different
perspectives that you can look at that
question from one is from the central
Bank perspective and what they’re trying
to accomplish and one is from our
perspective the people that uh the end
users of this sort of technology and I
think that uh you you tapped on
something very important uh with that
question which is uh this idea of why
should we care uh because I think one of
the strategies that has kind of come
along with trying to roll out or uh
investigate research the idea of a cbdc
from the central banks and all of that
is to kind of downplay the significance
of it because to your average person it
does seem like that like um you know I
often don’t have that much cash in my
wallet anymore compared to five 10 years
ago it’s all debit card it’s all credit
card uh even through your apps and all
of that so it seems like you’re using
the currency digitally now but what this
actually is is a wholesale
transformation of the currencies that we
have and it puts uh it puts complete
control and observation removes privacy
all in the hand
of the Central Bank um and this is at a
level that we’ve never seen before that
is not even feasible with the paper
dollars there are certain records of
course that they uh Banks the government
can look into when it comes to your
Banking and all of that but this takes
that to a whole another level and that’s
not even including the programmability
aspect it why are they trying to connect
them globally like what is the interest
in having this globally connected cbdc
system yeah I I think that this has um
more to do with just kind of the
different countries interacting with
each other exchanging with each other
and the the Swift program or platform
has been a kind of a key instrument of
kind of global exchange for a while now
um and because all of these countries
you mentioned it 90% of uh central banks
around the world I think in terms of GDP
world GDP it’s like 98% so all of these
countries are looking into it they’ve
theyve a lot of them have it already in
the pilot phase their cbdc programs so
this is a thing that is happening we’ve
already seen countries rolling it out uh
so now Swift is kind of getting their
ducks in a row to be able to facilitate
these countries using this in a way
that’s efficient on their
system yeah but you know people might
say well what about uh you know when we
get to cryptocurrency or Bitcoin and
things like this I mean some people
might argue that hey aren’t digital
currencies a great thing why should we
be afraid of this is this not a positive
development what I guess for people who
are not maybe familiar with the with the
difference between cbdcs and
cryptocurrencies what are the
differences and concerns between these
oh yeah that that’s a fantastic question
that’s another one of these things that
I think kind of plays into the strategy
of the people that are trying to kind of
push this onto Society is this kind of
um just kind of conflating these ideas
of the digital currency a central back
digital currency and a uh something like
Bitcoin or a cryptocurrency and they
seem similar it seems like a digital
currency that you’re using on digital
platforms and all of that but in reality
if you look into the fundamentals of it
they’re completely the opposite a
cryptocurrency like Bitcoin is
decentralized there’s a a level of
anonymity to it um it’s it’s not
controlled by any singular force or
anything like that they can’t ex uh well
in terms of Bitcoin they can’t expand
the uh supply of the Bitcoin whereas a
cryptocurrency is basically the opposite
in all of those things it is very
centralized it’s controlled by a central
body in this case it’s the the central
banks and the level of privacy is
theoretically not there it’s very uh
subject to be manipulated by the central
banks and all of that so in reality it
might look similar just by looking at it
but if you dig one level past the
surface they’re completely the
opposite yeah I mean I I’ve seen some of
the arguments around this as well I’ve
seen some critics being like you know
this is just fake news it’s a false
argument it will never happen in the
United States because of course you need
a Congressional vote to change something
like this and they’re arguing it would
never get past Congress but at the same
time I know there are a lot of voices
making making a lot of noise about let’s
put it that way we have Swift payment
system laying the foundations for we had
fed now recently creating some of the
technology that would create the
foundations to allow these things to
happen all the plans are in place the
global movements are in place and of
course the technology is in place all
they seem to need right now is the
legislation to make it happen but I
guess the question is is that possible
how realistic do you see this uh maybe
coming to the US if this was just a US
story and we were just hearing it from
the FED in the same capacity that we’re
hearing about these stories right now um
I would probably be pretty skeptical
about it as well um but because it’s so
Global and we’re talking about like 134
different countries around the world are
pursuing some level of uh cbdc roll out
whether or not they’re in the research
phase or the pilot phase or the full
rollout phase 134 countries around the
world so the fact that this is happening
just like the the ubiquity of it across
the globe uh I think kind of dispels a
little bit of my uh my kind of
hesitation of buying into this and then
not only that but the FED has been
researching this to no ends um they’ve
got papers that are coming out fed
discussion papers that come out
basically every month talking about the
potential implications of a CBD roll out
and all of that now there has been
significant push back um and I like to
think that I contributed a little bit to
that kind of in the public sphere here
um and that has resulted in a kind of
like a little bit of a drawing away uh
some people might say that it’s kind of
stalled out a little bit in the United
States just recently the FED chairman uh
Jerome Powell came out and said oh we’re
nowhere close we’re we’re nowhere close
to doing a cbdc don’t worry we’re
nowhere close and all of that however we
are starting to see some of the
foundations being laid to roll out a
cbdc even if they’re just kind of the
lowest steps on the ladder but there’s
there’s a couple of things to to also
note when it comes to currency there’s
kind of two different ways that you
could look at cbdcs or the potential
roll out of a cbdc one is a retail cbdc
which would be like what we use to
transact uh on a daily basis whether I
want to go to the store and buy some
Goods or whatever groceries you name it
that’s retail cbdc then there’s the
wholesale cbdc which is what banks use
uh to kind of uh transact with each
other so what we are more likely to see
is it’s starting off with that when you
see some of these white papers that come
out from the fed or the world economic
Forum they generally are starting off
with this wholesale cbdc thing to kind
of facilitate make more efficient the
transaction between Banks and between
Banks and the Federal Reserve and all of
that uh I think that that’s more likely
we’ll see that first before it Cascades
down to the average citizen like you and
me you know the other side of it too uh
there’s the possibility that America
might be kind of one of the holdouts on
it because I mean just to name a few as
we mentioned about 90% of the world
central banks are currently looking to
roll out
cbdcs as we speak Germany’s Central Bank
is is to looking into the possible
privacy issues with them New Zealand is
starting consultations on digital
currencies Israel is looking to expand
its different CBC cbdc products South
Korea is expanding them you know the
Chinese Communist Party under their uh
digital Yuan was kind of the pilot
program globally to launch these things
and the CCP even establish some of the
rules for it it seems like if the whole
world adopts this and Global Payments
are run through that especially if you
want to work with foreign payments it’d
be very hard for the us to do business
with the world without adopting it and I
guess you know on that note you know
what happens then if the whole world
adopts it and the US doesn’t will we
then be forced into it I mean what’s
your take on that I I think there’s
definitely an element there and
especially if the Swift as we started
off this conversation moves forward with
all of this in the next uh year or two
that that might basically necessarily
require that the United States adopted
at least on that wholesale level um and
that’s just we’re talking kind of
practically speaking and from like the
Central Bank perspective but like the
most important thing about this whole
conversation I don’t want to end this
conversation without talking about this
is the amount of control that it puts in
the hands of the you know the government
the central banks the wannabe Central
planners of all of this and that’s the
programmability and I think that when
we’re looking at all of these different
um all of these different countries and
their kind of Trials when it comes to
cbdcs we’re seeing a little bit of like
a Laboratories not a Laboratories of
freedom thing like as it applies to the
50 states in the United States but just
uh all of these are trying all these
countries are trying out different
mechanisms when it comes with the
programmability and the the uh assets
that the central uh the CBD C might have
with it and and I think that that is the
most important aspect of this and really
kind of um shows the importance of
knowing that this is different than just
your standard dollar so just last summer
in Brazil they’re rolling out uh you
know their plans for a cbdc and there
was a a crypto analyst that was able to
uh reverse engineer some of the code in
their program and saw that the Brazilian
cbdc had these plans where you could
freeze the assets of the holders uh of
these cbdcs or just change their account
balance basically overnight that’s one
thing we’ve seen other stories talking
about how uh in fact there was a Fed
paper that just came out last week that
uh or maybe last month where they were
talking about different tools that they
could put in place in their cbdcs that
would limit Holdings or uh slow down
adoption of these things or make it so
that the currency could only be used for
certain things like buying groceries or
or paying medical bills or something
like that we’ve seen other stories
talking about how this would help
facilitate uh stimulus packages and all
of that you can you can uh add money to
accounts you can take it back from
accounts it’s a whole level of control
that we’ve never seen before uh and it’s
so much easier with just clicking
buttons as opposed to trying to deal
with physical
dollars yeah you know one of the big
concerns with banks having this kinds of
power is debank where they can just
cancel you uh we’re seeing this happen
even without
cbdcs uh real quick for audience Donald
Kendall and I will be talking more about
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[Music] future welcome back there is a major
change happening in the global banking
system that could impact all of us Frank
and here to talk with us about it is
Donald Kendall co-director of the
socialism Research Center the Heartland
Institute we’ll be talking more about
this now look one of the big concerns
with banks right now regardless of
anything is what they’re calling Deb
Banking and we’re seeing this happen
even without cbdcs it’s already a
problem cases like this are already
being reported pretty widely in the
United States in fact here’s Fox News it
says that over a dozen Republican
Attorneys General are warning a major US
Bank against alleged practices of debank
certain customers because of their
religious or political views and frankly
this is one of my big concerns if you
allow central banks to control basically
whether you can make payments or not and
you know Donald I want to talk to you
about this you know I’m curious in your
eyes what are what are the concerns or
do you have concerns around giving Banks
this types this type of power to allow
or reject payments
yeah no this has been a big concern for
at least a couple of years now um and
it’s even like five years ago like not
that long ago it wasn’t a concern to me
at all this seemed like a thing that
would be Unthinkable I mean you you you
think about like kind of the Milton
Freedman mindset of like why would a
private entity do this uh they wouldn’t
want to just like alienate their
customers and they wouldn’t want to have
the bad press of alienating some of
their customers but now we’ve moved into
an era uh and we talk about all of this
and the the Great reset of like an ESG
stakeholder capitalism model that has
been pushed by you know World economic
Forum that that those sort of people and
uh what that does is De uh it kind of
deemphasizes the actual like onetoone
business to customer relationship and
reemphasizes this adherence to this idea
of ESG or environmental social and
governance standards and or metrics and
and that basically is a social credit
score for businesses and and individuals
if you want to go really granular about
it but it gets to a point where uh these
businesses care more about what their
ESG score is than about pleasing their
customers so we saw one example one of
the most egregious examples of this D
banking that I’ve ever seen was a firm
in Texas that was trying to get a bank
loan to expand their uh a business I
think they were making a new Factory or
something like that and the bank was
going to reject them not based on the
the basis of their business or you know
the the ability of that business to pay
back that loan but because this person
was a vocal critic of the climate change
uh you know narrative so there they’re
literally conversations going back and
forth between the bank and this guy
trying to get a loan saying well you
know if you were to go out on Twitter
and just say yeah climate change is real
and we should do something about it then
maybe we can work with you and that’s
the world that we’re moving into with
ESG and I think that
that type of world would be fast-tracked
with a
cbdc yeah well and I think this gets
into the issue you mentioned Milton
fredman you know I’ve actually been
doing a refresher on some classic or
Austrian economics um I think this is
what would be referred to as state
interventionism and really what is a
public private partnership and frankly I
think this is where we get into some of
the misconceptions around capitalism and
socialism like overall because you know
as ludig Von Point points out you know
one of the one of the issues with
capitalism is that most of what people
criticize in it is not true capitalism
it’s state interventionism which has
altered and warped the forms of
capitalism uh as you mentioned it it is
forms of capitalism it does not actually
serve the interest of the people
providing the product they’re being
forced through external means like you
mentioned ESG for example and I mean
this is where you get into the issues of
fascism it’s where you get into the
issues of government cooperating with
businesses and using the illusion of
free enterprise as a way to carry out
government po policy and so on and
people tend to not understand this realm
of you know socialism versus capitalism
and so I want to ask you I mean how does
this tie into the issue of like I guess
public private Partnerships
overall oh yeah that so that is that
seems to be kind of the new age um push
for the like collectivism um in the
United States and around the world when
we first started looking into ESG and
and it was all kind of uh precipitated
by our you know hearing about the great
reset and our work on the great reset
and then we started looking into the ESG
and this kind of social credit metric
for businesses and all of that and it
just dawned on us that like ah this is
what they’re trying to do this this is
this socialism of the 21st century it’s
not just through mandates by the
government it’s this public private
partnership like you mentioned that
we’re going to get our goals across by
bringing all of these businesses in and
punishing the ones that don’t play by
the rules that we’re establishing and
incentivizing the ones to play by the
rules that we’re establishing and again
that is all facilitated by this ESG game
uh we’ve seen it spread so far and wide
uh we’re pushing back on it a little bit
but I think that that’s uh basically
just sullying the name of ESG you got
Larry thinkink coming out and saying
yeah you know that term’s been
politicized we’re going to call it
something else but that doesn’t mean
that the whole system is breaking down
they’re just going to be referring to it
as something else so yeah this
definitely seems like the mechanism in
which they’re trying to get their agenda
across it’s this uh public private
partnership whether or not you want to
call it 21st century Socialism or 21st
century fascism but it’s an Unholy
Alliance and an extremely powerful
Alliance uh that’s able to kind of
steamroll any competition or any
industries that are not in the political
favor at the moment or anything like
that well you mentioned Fascism and I
I’ve been thinking about this a lot
lately because there’s misconceptions
over what fascism is we we’ we’ve turned
it into a name that you call people
rather than understanding it was a it
was an actual political system and
frankly you know it’s a political system
that the cor the current system of
public private partnership is in many
ways practicing you know I I feel like
if people understood the actual form and
actual political system of fascism they
would be shocked because I mean it seems
like we’re practicing a lot of it in in
the current you know Global economies
and I I want to ask you about this I
mean are these systems fascist is that
is that an accurate term for them I I
think by the definition of fascism
that’s exactly what we’re looking at um
back throughout time you know they
they’ve the powers that be with our
country authoritarian regime you want to
look at uh they have these goals in mind
of this like total control over the
economy and all of that and the ways of
facilitating that um have varied
obviously depending on the technology
and the arrangement of society um and in
some cases like the Soviet Union was
like a complete government control of
the means of production um but that that
takes a that that is not efficient that
takes a lot of uh force and Manpower and
all of that um so then we we’ve seen now
is kind of a co-opting of business and
um you know one one thing that I always
say when it comes to ESG that like at
best at best it’s the most cronous
system ever devised by man the largest
cronous capitalist system that’s ever
been devised by man at worst it’s 21st
century Fascism and that one example
that I brought up about the the guy in
Texas trying to get a loan for his
business I mean that might almost seem
silly but like that is the heavy boot of
fascism right there you’re going to tow
the line the narrative or you’re not
going to get that loan for your business
I mean if you take that to the next
couple of levels um then it starts
getting real scary when these people
these banks these giant businesses and
these governments wield that much power
and influence over just what people are
thinking in their own private life it’s
pretty
incredible yeah and on that note too I
think there’s a difference in language
that kind of messes with some of the
debates we have in the world when it
comes to capitalism when it comes to
Communism
you know when a lot of socialist kids
you like the Bernie Sanders types when
they criticize capitalism you know
they’re pointing often times at
different problems within the capitalist
system but a lot of classical economics
pointed that and say you’re not CR
you’re not criticizing capitalism you’re
criticizing crony capitalism and in a
weird way I think we agree with each
other that these things are problematic
but it’s a difference in language uh
that I think prevents us from
understanding the real causes the
problems and so I mean I’m curious how
how would you explain crony capitalism
versus normal
capitalism yeah you know I think you’re
you’re absolutely right and you’re kind
of getting to like the stopping
socialism 101 that we uh that we do here
at the uh socialism Research Center at
the Heartland Institute you guys do
great work by the way I appreciate that
but uh yeah I mean some of these things
that um you know your your average you
know um college student uh is out there
railing against um whether it’s you know
High tuition costs or the the Health
Care system in the United States being
less than great um and it’s just like
you have to point to these people uh
point out to these people that these are
not Monsters of the free market these
are completely in these systems are
completely entangled with government
interference all of these things that
the government’s doing to try to make
College more accessible is just
inflating the costs all of these things
that the government’s doing to regulate
health care and uh Insurance markets and
all of that are just driving up the
costs so all of these things that the
that these you know like Bernie Sanders
supporting type point at as failures of
the capitalistic system is actually
failures of the government getting
involved in these things and you can go
down the line uh of basically any
industry uh whether it’s housing and the
artificial kind of constraint on the
building of housing that’s causing
prices to go up you can go to the the
whole Fanny May and Freddy situation
that kind of led to the expansion in
housing prices and giving out loans to
people that wouldn’t be able to pay them
back that precipitated the collapse in
2008 all of these things weren’t the
results of capitalism run a muck it was
government runamu uh so it’s this the
the people that are trying to spell this
narrative that uh that you know the
capitalism needs to be regulated and if
it wasn’t for government then all of
these things would happen in reality
it’s the polar oppos opposite the things
that the government has their hands in
most are the things that are in most
need of uh free market reforms to kind
of bring that that uh normaly of supply
and demand and the price signals and all
the basic economic principles that we’ve
lived as in a country for for 100 plus
years we need to bring that back to
these uh to these parts of the the
economy yeah couldn’t agree more but you
know there’s another element to it which
is centralized Banking and you know I’ve
actually had some when I was first
learning about classical economics I’d
go to some events with you know more
libertarian types and people who work in
finance and you start seeing a very
different interpretation of the world
when you start understanding the role of
centralized banking uh if you talk to a
lot of people you know who are big in
the markets classical economic people
into classical economics and things like
that they will often say that all wars
are bank wars and they’ll also point to
the problems within the current
economies and the current markets that
basically we have a messed up currency
system you know and they point to the
central banks in many regards they point
to the abandonment of a gold standard
they point to the introduction of fiat
currency they point to issues like
fractional Reserve banking where Banks
can invest money they don’t even own and
you know inflation in the whole nine
yards um one thing that’s not commonly
understood though is Carl Marx actually
wanted centralized
Banks and for some people they might say
well isn’t isn’t banking centralized
banking is that part of the free market
why would KL Mars want that how do you
think communism ties in with the idea of
centralized banking versus maybe
traditional banking yeah well again this
this kind of goes back to the idea of uh
falsely attributing things to be
Monsters of the capitalistic system free
market system in reality it’s it’s
government control I don’t think your
average person
centralized centralized right yeah
exactly I I don’t think your average
person kind of understands the uh
National debate that went on for decades
uh in our country about whether or not
we should have a centralized Bank uh
that we we didn’t get the Federal
Reserve until 1913 well into the it was
like the I think the third version of a
central bank in the United States before
uh the the first two uh kind of propped
up and then kind of collapsed on their
own and all of that so we didn’t have
centralized banking in this country uh
up until about what 111 years ago is
that my math right on that so it’s not
uh it’s not necessarily it’s not
necessary it’s not necessary to a free
market system and uh what it did and
what we continue to see and what we’re
going to see more and more with the cbdc
is that it allows for this kind of top
down level of control over our currency
when you have the Federal Reserve is
maintaining the Baseline interest rates
and is trying to maintain a certain
level of inflation that is a very
fundamental um layer of control over our
economy in general because it’s you know
it’s all facilitated through the use of
dollars and the currency and all of that
um but yeah but um what what this what
this all kind of equates to the from one
end to the other when it comes to
socialism um or just kind of uh Central
planning and all of that is this idea of
a ection of reality in the pursuit of
some sort of for lack of a better term
fantasy or ideal or Utopia whatever you
want to call it so if we just have our
hands on the controls we can make sure
that those controls are structured just
right to to produce the perfect outcomes
that’s what socialism has done since day
one that’s what the Soviet Union was
trying to do when they were trying to
determine how many loaves of bread to
make in a given day to feed their their
populations and what uh what the FED uh
did with the creation of the Federal
Reserve is to create a control panel for
that Baseline that fundamental aspect of
the economy manipulating the dollar um
and what the cbdc will do is expand that
control panel and give those Central
planning forces the government the
Federal Reserve a whole lot more buttons
and knobs uh in their pursuit of trying
to manufacture the perfect conditions
that will lead us to some sort of
prosperity and whatever but in reality
that is just a rejection of reality and
the reality is just the way that all of
these things play out like I said the
price signals the uh supply and demand
you know the basics of the Milton
Freedman and Austrian principles and all
of that sort of thing yeah you know on
to the IRS speaking of changes that only
happened in the past you know hundred
100ish years right uh Biden brought in
880,000 new IRS agents with the claim
that you know they would not be going
after small businesses or middle inome
Americans it’s just after the after the
billionaires right right just after the
high class it turns out that apparently
was not true uh in fact they’re even
accused of just scanning for crimes Now
using artificial intelligence where
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farmers forested out of business and the
disruptions this will inevitably have on
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supply food price are skyrocketing
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Agenda 21 was meant to be the agenda for
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against ending hunger it requires total
power from the state I think it’s a skin
a lot of this came about early 70s Clean
Water Act Clean Air Act which were good
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the original tip is
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there’s also not a farm anymore so all
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lost generation they’re shutting down
the small and middle-sized family run
Farms we either own property or we are
property I don’t think we can trust it
government anymore because they want the
land and our founding fathers understood
that the land would be distributed among
the people so they could always control
their
government right now things have uh
tripled as far as cost I think you’re
going to see across the board higher
food prices has anybody been held
accountable for screwing up no as every
communist H into the last 100 years has
understood if you control the food you
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Global push for digital currencies
they’re going to monitor all of your
payments and control them and Swift
payment system is now planning to roll
out a platform that is going to connect
the emerging Central Bank digital
currencies that
cbdcs into a single Global Network a One
World Currency system and the system is
expected to launch maybe in 1 to 2 years
saying 12 to 24 months now already more
than 90% of the world’s central banks
are exploring digital currencies and the
new network show plans in place to
coordinate these in all parts of the
world now in this special discussion we
sit down with Donald Kendall he is the
co-director of the socialism Research
Center at the Heartland Institute and
Donald is also the host in the of the in
the tank podcast and he served as a
researcher and contributor for Glenn be
books arguing that socialists the great
reset Joe Biden and the rise of the 2021
Century fascism and dark future
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now first of all folks there was a
pretty big issue recently but let’s
invite Donald on with us now
thank you for having me on thanks for
being here oh of course anytime yeah so
first off there was a pretty big issue
recently it was announced that Swift is
planning to launch a platform for Global
Central Bank digital currencies in the
next one or two years this will
basically connect all the global cbdcs
to each other now I want to show you
Reuters first it says the move which
will be one of the most significant yet
for the N cbdc ecosystem given Swift’s
key role in global banking is likely to
be fin tuned to when the first major
ones are launched it notes that around
90% of the world’s central banks as we
mentioned are now exploring digital
versions of their currencies and uh
Donald I want to ask you I guess first
of all like why do cbdcs matter because
people might say well don’t we already
use credit cards don’t we already use
digital forms of payment like what’s the
difference why should we care about
cbdcs yeah there’s two different
perspectives that you can look at that
question from one is from the central
Bank perspective and what they’re trying
to accomplish and one is from our
perspective the people that uh the end
users of this sort of technology and I
think that uh you you tapped on
something very important uh with that
question which is uh this idea of why
should we care uh because I think one of
the strategies that has kind of come
along with trying to roll out or uh
investigate research the idea of a cbdc
from the central banks and all of that
is to kind of downplay the significance
of it because to your average person it
does seem like that like um you know I
often don’t have that much cash in my
wallet anymore compared to five 10 years
ago it’s all debit card it’s all credit
card uh even through your apps and all
of that so it seems like you’re using
the currency digitally now but what this
actually is is a wholesale
transformation of the currencies that we
have and it puts uh it puts complete
control and observation removes privacy
all in the hand
of the Central Bank um and this is at a
level that we’ve never seen before that
is not even feasible with the paper
dollars there are certain records of
course that they uh Banks the government
can look into when it comes to your
Banking and all of that but this takes
that to a whole another level and that’s
not even including the programmability
aspect it why are they trying to connect
them globally like what is the interest
in having this globally connected cbdc
system yeah I I think that this has um
more to do with just kind of the
different countries interacting with
each other exchanging with each other
and the the Swift program or platform
has been a kind of a key instrument of
kind of global exchange for a while now
um and because all of these countries
you mentioned it 90% of uh central banks
around the world I think in terms of GDP
world GDP it’s like 98% so all of these
countries are looking into it they’ve
theyve a lot of them have it already in
the pilot phase their cbdc programs so
this is a thing that is happening we’ve
already seen countries rolling it out uh
so now Swift is kind of getting their
ducks in a row to be able to facilitate
these countries using this in a way
that’s efficient on their
system yeah but you know people might
say well what about uh you know when we
get to cryptocurrency or Bitcoin and
things like this I mean some people
might argue that hey aren’t digital
currencies a great thing why should we
be afraid of this is this not a positive
development what I guess for people who
are not maybe familiar with the with the
difference between cbdcs and
cryptocurrencies what are the
differences and concerns between these
oh yeah that that’s a fantastic question
that’s another one of these things that
I think kind of plays into the strategy
of the people that are trying to kind of
push this onto Society is this kind of
um just kind of conflating these ideas
of the digital currency a central back
digital currency and a uh something like
Bitcoin or a cryptocurrency and they
seem similar it seems like a digital
currency that you’re using on digital
platforms and all of that but in reality
if you look into the fundamentals of it
they’re completely the opposite a
cryptocurrency like Bitcoin is
decentralized there’s a a level of
anonymity to it um it’s it’s not
controlled by any singular force or
anything like that they can’t ex uh well
in terms of Bitcoin they can’t expand
the uh supply of the Bitcoin whereas a
cryptocurrency is basically the opposite
in all of those things it is very
centralized it’s controlled by a central
body in this case it’s the the central
banks and the level of privacy is
theoretically not there it’s very uh
subject to be manipulated by the central
banks and all of that so in reality it
might look similar just by looking at it
but if you dig one level past the
surface they’re completely the
opposite yeah I mean I I’ve seen some of
the arguments around this as well I’ve
seen some critics being like you know
this is just fake news it’s a false
argument it will never happen in the
United States because of course you need
a Congressional vote to change something
like this and they’re arguing it would
never get past Congress but at the same
time I know there are a lot of voices
making making a lot of noise about let’s
put it that way we have Swift payment
system laying the foundations for we had
fed now recently creating some of the
technology that would create the
foundations to allow these things to
happen all the plans are in place the
global movements are in place and of
course the technology is in place all
they seem to need right now is the
legislation to make it happen but I
guess the question is is that possible
how realistic do you see this uh maybe
coming to the US if this was just a US
story and we were just hearing it from
the FED in the same capacity that we’re
hearing about these stories right now um
I would probably be pretty skeptical
about it as well um but because it’s so
Global and we’re talking about like 134
different countries around the world are
pursuing some level of uh cbdc roll out
whether or not they’re in the research
phase or the pilot phase or the full
rollout phase 134 countries around the
world so the fact that this is happening
just like the the ubiquity of it across
the globe uh I think kind of dispels a
little bit of my uh my kind of
hesitation of buying into this and then
not only that but the FED has been
researching this to no ends um they’ve
got papers that are coming out fed
discussion papers that come out
basically every month talking about the
potential implications of a CBD roll out
and all of that now there has been
significant push back um and I like to
think that I contributed a little bit to
that kind of in the public sphere here
um and that has resulted in a kind of
like a little bit of a drawing away uh
some people might say that it’s kind of
stalled out a little bit in the United
States just recently the FED chairman uh
Jerome Powell came out and said oh we’re
nowhere close we’re we’re nowhere close
to doing a cbdc don’t worry we’re
nowhere close and all of that however we
are starting to see some of the
foundations being laid to roll out a
cbdc even if they’re just kind of the
lowest steps on the ladder but there’s
there’s a couple of things to to also
note when it comes to currency there’s
kind of two different ways that you
could look at cbdcs or the potential
roll out of a cbdc one is a retail cbdc
which would be like what we use to
transact uh on a daily basis whether I
want to go to the store and buy some
Goods or whatever groceries you name it
that’s retail cbdc then there’s the
wholesale cbdc which is what banks use
uh to kind of uh transact with each
other so what we are more likely to see
is it’s starting off with that when you
see some of these white papers that come
out from the fed or the world economic
Forum they generally are starting off
with this wholesale cbdc thing to kind
of facilitate make more efficient the
transaction between Banks and between
Banks and the Federal Reserve and all of
that uh I think that that’s more likely
we’ll see that first before it Cascades
down to the average citizen like you and
me you know the other side of it too uh
there’s the possibility that America
might be kind of one of the holdouts on
it because I mean just to name a few as
we mentioned about 90% of the world
central banks are currently looking to
roll out
cbdcs as we speak Germany’s Central Bank
is is to looking into the possible
privacy issues with them New Zealand is
starting consultations on digital
currencies Israel is looking to expand
its different CBC cbdc products South
Korea is expanding them you know the
Chinese Communist Party under their uh
digital Yuan was kind of the pilot
program globally to launch these things
and the CCP even establish some of the
rules for it it seems like if the whole
world adopts this and Global Payments
are run through that especially if you
want to work with foreign payments it’d
be very hard for the us to do business
with the world without adopting it and I
guess you know on that note you know
what happens then if the whole world
adopts it and the US doesn’t will we
then be forced into it I mean what’s
your take on that I I think there’s
definitely an element there and
especially if the Swift as we started
off this conversation moves forward with
all of this in the next uh year or two
that that might basically necessarily
require that the United States adopted
at least on that wholesale level um and
that’s just we’re talking kind of
practically speaking and from like the
Central Bank perspective but like the
most important thing about this whole
conversation I don’t want to end this
conversation without talking about this
is the amount of control that it puts in
the hands of the you know the government
the central banks the wannabe Central
planners of all of this and that’s the
programmability and I think that when
we’re looking at all of these different
um all of these different countries and
their kind of Trials when it comes to
cbdcs we’re seeing a little bit of like
a Laboratories not a Laboratories of
freedom thing like as it applies to the
50 states in the United States but just
uh all of these are trying all these
countries are trying out different
mechanisms when it comes with the
programmability and the the uh assets
that the central uh the CBD C might have
with it and and I think that that is the
most important aspect of this and really
kind of um shows the importance of
knowing that this is different than just
your standard dollar so just last summer
in Brazil they’re rolling out uh you
know their plans for a cbdc and there
was a a crypto analyst that was able to
uh reverse engineer some of the code in
their program and saw that the Brazilian
cbdc had these plans where you could
freeze the assets of the holders uh of
these cbdcs or just change their account
balance basically overnight that’s one
thing we’ve seen other stories talking
about how uh in fact there was a Fed
paper that just came out last week that
uh or maybe last month where they were
talking about different tools that they
could put in place in their cbdcs that
would limit Holdings or uh slow down
adoption of these things or make it so
that the currency could only be used for
certain things like buying groceries or
or paying medical bills or something
like that we’ve seen other stories
talking about how this would help
facilitate uh stimulus packages and all
of that you can you can uh add money to
accounts you can take it back from
accounts it’s a whole level of control
that we’ve never seen before uh and it’s
so much easier with just clicking
buttons as opposed to trying to deal
with physical
dollars yeah you know one of the big
concerns with banks having this kinds of
power is debank where they can just
cancel you uh we’re seeing this happen
even without
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[Music] future welcome back there is a major
change happening in the global banking
system that could impact all of us Frank
and here to talk with us about it is
Donald Kendall co-director of the
socialism Research Center the Heartland
Institute we’ll be talking more about
this now look one of the big concerns
with banks right now regardless of
anything is what they’re calling Deb
Banking and we’re seeing this happen
even without cbdcs it’s already a
problem cases like this are already
being reported pretty widely in the
United States in fact here’s Fox News it
says that over a dozen Republican
Attorneys General are warning a major US
Bank against alleged practices of debank
certain customers because of their
religious or political views and frankly
this is one of my big concerns if you
allow central banks to control basically
whether you can make payments or not and
you know Donald I want to talk to you
about this you know I’m curious in your
eyes what are what are the concerns or
do you have concerns around giving Banks
this types this type of power to allow
or reject payments
yeah no this has been a big concern for
at least a couple of years now um and
it’s even like five years ago like not
that long ago it wasn’t a concern to me
at all this seemed like a thing that
would be Unthinkable I mean you you you
think about like kind of the Milton
Freedman mindset of like why would a
private entity do this uh they wouldn’t
want to just like alienate their
customers and they wouldn’t want to have
the bad press of alienating some of
their customers but now we’ve moved into
an era uh and we talk about all of this
and the the Great reset of like an ESG
stakeholder capitalism model that has
been pushed by you know World economic
Forum that that those sort of people and
uh what that does is De uh it kind of
deemphasizes the actual like onetoone
business to customer relationship and
reemphasizes this adherence to this idea
of ESG or environmental social and
governance standards and or metrics and
and that basically is a social credit
score for businesses and and individuals
if you want to go really granular about
it but it gets to a point where uh these
businesses care more about what their
ESG score is than about pleasing their
customers so we saw one example one of
the most egregious examples of this D
banking that I’ve ever seen was a firm
in Texas that was trying to get a bank
loan to expand their uh a business I
think they were making a new Factory or
something like that and the bank was
going to reject them not based on the
the basis of their business or you know
the the ability of that business to pay
back that loan but because this person
was a vocal critic of the climate change
uh you know narrative so there they’re
literally conversations going back and
forth between the bank and this guy
trying to get a loan saying well you
know if you were to go out on Twitter
and just say yeah climate change is real
and we should do something about it then
maybe we can work with you and that’s
the world that we’re moving into with
ESG and I think that
that type of world would be fast-tracked
with a
cbdc yeah well and I think this gets
into the issue you mentioned Milton
fredman you know I’ve actually been
doing a refresher on some classic or
Austrian economics um I think this is
what would be referred to as state
interventionism and really what is a
public private partnership and frankly I
think this is where we get into some of
the misconceptions around capitalism and
socialism like overall because you know
as ludig Von Point points out you know
one of the one of the issues with
capitalism is that most of what people
criticize in it is not true capitalism
it’s state interventionism which has
altered and warped the forms of
capitalism uh as you mentioned it it is
forms of capitalism it does not actually
serve the interest of the people
providing the product they’re being
forced through external means like you
mentioned ESG for example and I mean
this is where you get into the issues of
fascism it’s where you get into the
issues of government cooperating with
businesses and using the illusion of
free enterprise as a way to carry out
government po policy and so on and
people tend to not understand this realm
of you know socialism versus capitalism
and so I want to ask you I mean how does
this tie into the issue of like I guess
public private Partnerships
overall oh yeah that so that is that
seems to be kind of the new age um push
for the like collectivism um in the
United States and around the world when
we first started looking into ESG and
and it was all kind of uh precipitated
by our you know hearing about the great
reset and our work on the great reset
and then we started looking into the ESG
and this kind of social credit metric
for businesses and all of that and it
just dawned on us that like ah this is
what they’re trying to do this this is
this socialism of the 21st century it’s
not just through mandates by the
government it’s this public private
partnership like you mentioned that
we’re going to get our goals across by
bringing all of these businesses in and
punishing the ones that don’t play by
the rules that we’re establishing and
incentivizing the ones to play by the
rules that we’re establishing and again
that is all facilitated by this ESG game
uh we’ve seen it spread so far and wide
uh we’re pushing back on it a little bit
but I think that that’s uh basically
just sullying the name of ESG you got
Larry thinkink coming out and saying
yeah you know that term’s been
politicized we’re going to call it
something else but that doesn’t mean
that the whole system is breaking down
they’re just going to be referring to it
as something else so yeah this
definitely seems like the mechanism in
which they’re trying to get their agenda
across it’s this uh public private
partnership whether or not you want to
call it 21st century Socialism or 21st
century fascism but it’s an Unholy
Alliance and an extremely powerful
Alliance uh that’s able to kind of
steamroll any competition or any
industries that are not in the political
favor at the moment or anything like
that well you mentioned Fascism and I
I’ve been thinking about this a lot
lately because there’s misconceptions
over what fascism is we we’ we’ve turned
it into a name that you call people
rather than understanding it was a it
was an actual political system and
frankly you know it’s a political system
that the cor the current system of
public private partnership is in many
ways practicing you know I I feel like
if people understood the actual form and
actual political system of fascism they
would be shocked because I mean it seems
like we’re practicing a lot of it in in
the current you know Global economies
and I I want to ask you about this I
mean are these systems fascist is that
is that an accurate term for them I I
think by the definition of fascism
that’s exactly what we’re looking at um
back throughout time you know they
they’ve the powers that be with our
country authoritarian regime you want to
look at uh they have these goals in mind
of this like total control over the
economy and all of that and the ways of
facilitating that um have varied
obviously depending on the technology
and the arrangement of society um and in
some cases like the Soviet Union was
like a complete government control of
the means of production um but that that
takes a that that is not efficient that
takes a lot of uh force and Manpower and
all of that um so then we we’ve seen now
is kind of a co-opting of business and
um you know one one thing that I always
say when it comes to ESG that like at
best at best it’s the most cronous
system ever devised by man the largest
cronous capitalist system that’s ever
been devised by man at worst it’s 21st
century Fascism and that one example
that I brought up about the the guy in
Texas trying to get a loan for his
business I mean that might almost seem
silly but like that is the heavy boot of
fascism right there you’re going to tow
the line the narrative or you’re not
going to get that loan for your business
I mean if you take that to the next
couple of levels um then it starts
getting real scary when these people
these banks these giant businesses and
these governments wield that much power
and influence over just what people are
thinking in their own private life it’s
pretty
incredible yeah and on that note too I
think there’s a difference in language
that kind of messes with some of the
debates we have in the world when it
comes to capitalism when it comes to
Communism
you know when a lot of socialist kids
you like the Bernie Sanders types when
they criticize capitalism you know
they’re pointing often times at
different problems within the capitalist
system but a lot of classical economics
pointed that and say you’re not CR
you’re not criticizing capitalism you’re
criticizing crony capitalism and in a
weird way I think we agree with each
other that these things are problematic
but it’s a difference in language uh
that I think prevents us from
understanding the real causes the
problems and so I mean I’m curious how
how would you explain crony capitalism
versus normal
capitalism yeah you know I think you’re
you’re absolutely right and you’re kind
of getting to like the stopping
socialism 101 that we uh that we do here
at the uh socialism Research Center at
the Heartland Institute you guys do
great work by the way I appreciate that
but uh yeah I mean some of these things
that um you know your your average you
know um college student uh is out there
railing against um whether it’s you know
High tuition costs or the the Health
Care system in the United States being
less than great um and it’s just like
you have to point to these people uh
point out to these people that these are
not Monsters of the free market these
are completely in these systems are
completely entangled with government
interference all of these things that
the government’s doing to try to make
College more accessible is just
inflating the costs all of these things
that the government’s doing to regulate
health care and uh Insurance markets and
all of that are just driving up the
costs so all of these things that the
that these you know like Bernie Sanders
supporting type point at as failures of
the capitalistic system is actually
failures of the government getting
involved in these things and you can go
down the line uh of basically any
industry uh whether it’s housing and the
artificial kind of constraint on the
building of housing that’s causing
prices to go up you can go to the the
whole Fanny May and Freddy situation
that kind of led to the expansion in
housing prices and giving out loans to
people that wouldn’t be able to pay them
back that precipitated the collapse in
2008 all of these things weren’t the
results of capitalism run a muck it was
government runamu uh so it’s this the
the people that are trying to spell this
narrative that uh that you know the
capitalism needs to be regulated and if
it wasn’t for government then all of
these things would happen in reality
it’s the polar oppos opposite the things
that the government has their hands in
most are the things that are in most
need of uh free market reforms to kind
of bring that that uh normaly of supply
and demand and the price signals and all
the basic economic principles that we’ve
lived as in a country for for 100 plus
years we need to bring that back to
these uh to these parts of the the
economy yeah couldn’t agree more but you
know there’s another element to it which
is centralized Banking and you know I’ve
actually had some when I was first
learning about classical economics I’d
go to some events with you know more
libertarian types and people who work in
finance and you start seeing a very
different interpretation of the world
when you start understanding the role of
centralized banking uh if you talk to a
lot of people you know who are big in
the markets classical economic people
into classical economics and things like
that they will often say that all wars
are bank wars and they’ll also point to
the problems within the current
economies and the current markets that
basically we have a messed up currency
system you know and they point to the
central banks in many regards they point
to the abandonment of a gold standard
they point to the introduction of fiat
currency they point to issues like
fractional Reserve banking where Banks
can invest money they don’t even own and
you know inflation in the whole nine
yards um one thing that’s not commonly
understood though is Carl Marx actually
wanted centralized
Banks and for some people they might say
well isn’t isn’t banking centralized
banking is that part of the free market
why would KL Mars want that how do you
think communism ties in with the idea of
centralized banking versus maybe
traditional banking yeah well again this
this kind of goes back to the idea of uh
falsely attributing things to be
Monsters of the capitalistic system free
market system in reality it’s it’s
government control I don’t think your
average person
centralized centralized right yeah
exactly I I don’t think your average
person kind of understands the uh
National debate that went on for decades
uh in our country about whether or not
we should have a centralized Bank uh
that we we didn’t get the Federal
Reserve until 1913 well into the it was
like the I think the third version of a
central bank in the United States before
uh the the first two uh kind of propped
up and then kind of collapsed on their
own and all of that so we didn’t have
centralized banking in this country uh
up until about what 111 years ago is
that my math right on that so it’s not
uh it’s not necessarily it’s not
necessary it’s not necessary to a free
market system and uh what it did and
what we continue to see and what we’re
going to see more and more with the cbdc
is that it allows for this kind of top
down level of control over our currency
when you have the Federal Reserve is
maintaining the Baseline interest rates
and is trying to maintain a certain
level of inflation that is a very
fundamental um layer of control over our
economy in general because it’s you know
it’s all facilitated through the use of
dollars and the currency and all of that
um but yeah but um what what this what
this all kind of equates to the from one
end to the other when it comes to
socialism um or just kind of uh Central
planning and all of that is this idea of
a ection of reality in the pursuit of
some sort of for lack of a better term
fantasy or ideal or Utopia whatever you
want to call it so if we just have our
hands on the controls we can make sure
that those controls are structured just
right to to produce the perfect outcomes
that’s what socialism has done since day
one that’s what the Soviet Union was
trying to do when they were trying to
determine how many loaves of bread to
make in a given day to feed their their
populations and what uh what the FED uh
did with the creation of the Federal
Reserve is to create a control panel for
that Baseline that fundamental aspect of
the economy manipulating the dollar um
and what the cbdc will do is expand that
control panel and give those Central
planning forces the government the
Federal Reserve a whole lot more buttons
and knobs uh in their pursuit of trying
to manufacture the perfect conditions
that will lead us to some sort of
prosperity and whatever but in reality
that is just a rejection of reality and
the reality is just the way that all of
these things play out like I said the
price signals the uh supply and demand
you know the basics of the Milton
Freedman and Austrian principles and all
of that sort of thing yeah you know on
to the IRS speaking of changes that only
happened in the past you know hundred
100ish years right uh Biden brought in
880,000 new IRS agents with the claim
that you know they would not be going
after small businesses or middle inome
Americans it’s just after the after the
billionaires right right just after the
high class it turns out that apparently
was not true uh in fact they’re even
accused of just scanning for crimes Now
using artificial intelligence where
they’re just looking through all of our
data we talked about this more though
only on Epic TV our uncensored streaming
platform so for those of you in the
audience joining us on YouTube Facebook
Twitter Rumble if you want to learn more
about this and expanded IRS and what
it’s doing to us Americans click on the
link in the description below and join
us on Epic TV and you’ll also be joining
of course Donald the diey in the live
Q&A so if you have questions come on
over and of course you can ask questions
so before we jump I’ll show you a quick
trailer of no Farmers no food an
original Epic Times documentary exposing
the hidden agenda behind the global
green policies and the untold stories of
farmers forested out of business and the
disruptions this will inevitably have on
our food
supply food price are skyrocketing
around the world and if you listen to
world leaders they’ll tell you it’s due
to climate change climate change is the
biggest threat for the human beings and
their solution might surprise you there
are 1,00 edible insect species on the
planet the European commission has
officially declared mealworms to be food
yes
food the people in charge have
determined that by switching our diets
to crickets ants and mealor worms will
be able to stop temperatures from rising
lower the price of food
and possibly to even Save the
Planet it’s never about Innovation it’s
always about getting rid of farmers
Agenda 21 was meant to be the agenda for
the 21st century some of the goals sound
nice ending hunger who could possibly be
against ending hunger it requires total
power from the state I think it’s a skin
a lot of this came about early 70s Clean
Water Act Clean Air Act which were good
things but it’s been abused from what
the original tip is
no maybe not not a farm anymore no
there’s also not a farm anymore so all
these people shut down because of the
government policies yeah I’m the sixth
generation of farmer yeah I’m the fourth
generation how many years have they
owned this PL land 40 years I think we
lost generation they’re shutting down
the small and middle-sized family run
Farms we either own property or we are
property I don’t think we can trust it
government anymore because they want the
land and our founding fathers understood
that the land would be distributed among
the people so they could always control
their
government right now things have uh
tripled as far as cost I think you’re
going to see across the board higher
food prices has anybody been held
accountable for screwing up no as every
communist H into the last 100 years has
understood if you control the food you
control the people everything is falling
apart yeah D is short it’s of food we’re
heading for a world food crisis as we
hear all the time do you see any hope
for the situation yeah we have to
continue fighting for it no Farmers no
food they will know it
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