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hey welcome to Crossroads former president Donald Trump is standing trial and if you have trouble telling which case is which well you’re not alone because frankly a lot of people are having trouble right now keeping track of the Trump charges there are so many of them but I wanted to go over these and kind of give an update on where they’re at former president Donald Trump as you’re aware he’s faced waves of criminal charges this is unpresidented for a former president or for like a major candidate leading up to a 2024 election uh the cases for this were initially framed as being detrimental to any chance Trump’s ever going to become president ever again but it now appears that that may have changed that did they did not have the ex the effect that they thought they would so what is the state of each charge you know where are things actually at are the charges helping Trump or are they harming him for 2024 here to speak with us about this is Cash Patel he’s the former Department of Defense chief of staff and he’s former deputy Deputy assist assistant to president Trump so cash welcome to Crossroads hey thanks so much for having me appreciate it now cash you know some pundits have suggested the only case that looks like it can get a verdict before the 2024 elections is the Stormy Daniels one maybe maybe not what they were expecting but you know what’s your take on that do you think that really is maybe the only one that has a chance before the elections yeah look I’ll put my former hat on former hats on as a former Federal public defender and National Security prosecutor who tried 60 criminal trials to verdict in state and federal courts so that’s quite a lot of number of cases and quite a lot of juries I had to deal with and judges what we see here and we can talk about the politics of it later if you want but the legality is pretty simple a prosecution has an ethical duty to bring a case based on facts that meet the law and if there’s proof Beyond a reasonable doubt you take it to a grand jury in charge it’s really simple and then the defendant conversely has an equally important constitutional right of due process rights to exculpatory evidence rights to Witnesses rights to cross-examination Etc if the rules are violated on either side they’re done so in a punitive fashion because the Constitution demands that prosecutors are held to the highest regards but due process is never minimized in any shape way or form and what we see here in the brag case is that the history speaks for itself the United States attorney’s office for the southern district of New York refused to charge Donald Trump with this set of facts and Michael Cohen is a witness the Department of Justice refused to charge Michael Cohen on this set of facts and Witnesses this District Attorney’s Office in fact refused to charge Michael Cohen uh refused to charge Donald Trump as Michael with Michael Cohen as a central witness based on the facts they had because it’s been proven that Michael Cohen’s a liar now that’s all to say that you could put on a liar for days and days and days and days and days but ultimately you got to get to a verdict and it looks like this is going to be the last def witness for the prosecution there’s a couple of legal things that have to happen in between and maybe the defense puts on a case and then a day or two of legal motions but we’re going to get a verdict one way or the other we also could get a hung jury and while that technically doesn’t qualify as a verdict it is an end result of the case you know there was a big thing that came out recently so Bill Maher you know HBO TV host he contradicted the Stormy Daniels testimony and you know he interviewed stormmy before and then he showed a clip of what she said previously and what she’s saying now and it’s interesting because she made it clear that in her own words it was not a me too thing and she’s saying otherwise let me show the audience the clip real quick and I want I want to hear your take on it okay but you say it’s not a me to case it is not a me to case I mean I wasn’t uh assaulted I wasn’t attacked or raped or coerced or blackmailed they tried to shove me in the me two box if further their own agenda and first of all I didn’t want any part of that because it’s not the truth and I’m not a victim in that regard that’s not what she saying now M uh she’s talking about he was bigger and blocking the way it’s all the me too buzzwords she said uh there was a power imbalance of power for sure my hands were shaking so hard she said she blacked out cash I mean what what’s your take on that I mean normally I would think that if you contradict a previous statement it would and I don’t I don’t know if that would get the case thrown out normally or what happens I mean what’s the normal process for something like this simple an ethical prosecutor would never bring the case you know you need a a witness usually in a prosecution of a case depending on the crime but this style of crime you need a witness Michael Cohen you also need a victim and in this instance they’ve quasi portrayed Stormy Daniels as the victim even though there are no actual victims to the crime charge but it looks good in front of a jury but if both of those individuals as Witnesses and victims have been caught lying multiple times under oath to Congress to to the media to courts of law to prosecutors this should never have gone forward and if you just take Stormy Daniels at her own words she’s a victim no I’m not a victim nothing happened everything was fine and then also the pro the defense I think has put this up a couple times during the testimony she wrote a letter through her Council in 2017 or whatever it was 15 I can’t remember the date where she said there was never president Trump so if there was no Affair whether it was consensual or not it’s factually and legally impossible for you to have been sexually harassed in any way shape or form and now Alvin brag puts you on the witness stand to say I was just kidding I lied in my letter my lawyer lied for me and I was um dishonest in the media but please believe me now yeah she she she actually said that multiple times it was like year after year for a while um you know you mentioned a few times that it’s important to have a victim if you want to bring a charge and I I know Trump’s been saying that he was was saying that as well on the you know the undervaluing of the maril Lago case that it was a case with no victim there was there was no grieved party uh I mean help me understand that because it seems that some of these cases are lacking a victim and they’re going forward regardless I mean does that normally not happen it never happens it’s against the law it’s against your constitutional oath as a prosecutor the crimes that have victims like the crimes that they are charging Donald Trump with require under the law that there actually be a victim and as you highlighted in the in the civil case in New York there literally was no financial fraud victim so there couldn’t have been financial fraud put that aside let’s go to this case here at handon New York where let’s remind the co uh your audience real quick how this is a two-tier system of justice Hillary Clinton back in 2016 utilized campaign Finance dollars to go out and pay for Christopher Steel’s dirty and hid those campaign Finance dollar utilization as a legal expenditure that’s an actual crime with the victim the FBC and the doj say that’s a crime she was never prosecuted because the same people that wanted to politically weaponized doj and FBI are now a part of the process with the Donald Trump case and they gave her a pass but in instead of doing the same to Donald Trump who by the way is actually on better factual footing because he used his own money for an actual legal expense and the doj and FC have said in writing that there is no crime that Donald Trump committed to Ergo no victim hence no charges this district attorney took it upon himself after combining forces with the doj remember they sent their number three big shot prosecutor down to the district attorney’s office to say we must bring these charges we will find a victim we will make up the facts we will make up a witness and this is what happens when you literally make up a case that is unconstitutional your star witness is um Michael Cohen and your star victim is Stormy Daniels and you could not have picked two worse people to fit either of those roles yeah well and you know on another note alongside this and I want to hear what your take is uh people are calling this of course a hush money case and they’re talking about a non-disclosure agreement I mean that that’s what it’s really about normally it’s like a misdemeanor they elevated a misdemeanor to like two dozen felonies which is a whole other issue uh but and one that was past a statute limitations as well but you know you talked about using campaign Finance money for this type type of stuff and Trump used his own money this is where I think the story is getting lost in a lot of people I mean as a as an investigative journalist where I have to investigate finances and lawsuits and stuff like that you know it’s a part of my work I understand that just because somebody maybe signed an NDA or had a hush money thing doesn’t doesn’t mean they actually did anything uh because when you’re dealing with big corporations or major names I’m not accusing stormmy of this but I I know that there’s a really corrupt element behind it where typically if someone just accuses a major corporation of a crime it’s cheaper for them to just pay them off and E even a lot of the insurance houses they have legal insurance they just pay people and and there’s there’s dirty people who just take advantage of that um and so I mean on on the note of the quote unquote hush money and the NDA like how does that tie into Trump I mean because it sounds like there’s a lot of there’s a lot of merky water in terms of how this is Being Framed where on one side they’re saying that the that Trump never even knew about it I know aanad is even coming out and criticizing Cohen and stormmy on this I mean how how do I make sense of this cash it’s it’s getting it’s getting to the point where it’s so convoluted it’s hard to make sense of right I think you have to rewind the tape and just look at the facts in the law this has this this case has nothing to do with hush and nothing to do with money it is not a hush money case that’s what the mainstream media wants you to call it because it sounds licentious it oh wow what hush money who’s getting paid off where was the deal under the table who broke the law where it already puts Donald Trump on a negative footing in terms of constitutional due process but that’s the way they wanted it framed and it sounds sexy now in terms of the law and the facts the reason it’s not a hush money case is because because don’t take my word for it don’t even take Stormy Daniels word for it and don’t even take Michael Cohen’s word for it how about Bob Costello Michael Cohen’s lawyer who testified to the weaponization subcommittee in Congress I think this week under oath literally said that when he Bob Costello was representing Michael Cohen for the last three four five years and he Bob Costello walked Michael Cohen into the United States District Attorney’s office and the Department of Justice he advised his client Michael Cohen to tell the truth and everything will work out and what did Michael Cohen tell prosecutors per Bob Costello’s testimony I have absolutely nothing on Donald Trump I have absolutely nothing on Donald Trump that statement was made 10 times by Bob Costello and he said Michael Cohen told the FBI the same exact thing in his presence obviously Bob costell was Michael Cohen’s lawyer and he would know that so if you take that singular fact alone there is no hush money there is no deal and Michael Cohen if you take his testimony from the witness stand and believe even a piece of what he says he has already admitted he paid Stormy Daniels himself he did it in the hopes of getting in the good graces of Donald Trump that’s an action and an intent that Michael Cohen took that Donald Trump had no participation in so Donald Trump could not have been leveraging or conducting a quid proquo or saying here’s a hush money deal I need you to go pay this person Michael Cohen has admitted that didn’t happen Michael Cohen lawyer has admitted under oath now that Michael Cohen when he spoke to federal agents told him I have absolutely no information on this case for you that’s why doj never charged it yeah I mean the whole case seems to have issues like this you know there was something else I want to ask you about a pargal just testified that Alvin Bragg’s team the prosecutor had deleted three pages of phone records between Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels and they didn’t even tell Trump’s legal team I I know there’s some really serious accusations around saying oh that’s a crime to delete evidence I mean what is the actual impact of that what is what is the actual significance of that you know this is Monumental and this is where I ask where are all my former public defender colleagues where’s the ACLU no seriously where are all the Raging liberals who say the Constitution should be applied to all equally I stood for that in court for years and the worst crime you can commit as a prosecutor literally the worst crime there’s there’s actually two lying to a judge and deleting or withholding evidence they’re on par with each other they are both crimes crimes they’re both actual felonies punishable by more than one year in prison so you’re saying Alvin Bragg committed a crime by doing that if AB every one of his prosecutors that participated in the deletion of evidence not only did they delete it they could have said hey we were looking through one gigabyte of information we sent it out to a company to help us Source it and judge by accident they deleted X Y and Z not our fault and been upfront about it right stuff like that happens it’s not ideal but it happens what they did here was they they themselves brag deleted it they withheld it from the court they withheld it from Donald Trump violating his constitutional due process rights and then they lied about it because when you when you know something to be the truth and you don’t disclose it that’s a lie especially before a Judicial officer so now they have committed multiple crimes this judge of course isn’t going to do anything about it but Donald Trump’s attorneys I think are taking the right approach that they are filing motions and calling for dismissal of these charges based on the deletion of Records there is no worse conduct a prosecutor can do than delete and withhold evidence from the defendant especially when the defendant in this case Donald Trump has a right to it yeah well there’s a lot of other stuff too so the judge on The Manhattan case is threatening to throw in jail if he violates the gag order one more time folks will be talking more about this after a quick break experts agree one of the best ways to protect against Financial uncertainty is to diversify your portfolio learn how physical gold and silver can secure your retirement funds from today’s economic challenges with a gold Ira from American Harford gold you can Safeguard your wealth with no penalties or taxes when you transfer your current qualifying retirement accounts call now on our precious metals Specialists will send you a free information kit no cost or obligation American Hartford gold a trusted industry leader with an A+ from the Better Business Bureau has a five-star rating from thousands of happy clients whether you are getting physical precious medals in a gold Ira or delivered to your doorstep we offer only the highest quality gold and silver for your peace of mind we also offer a no fee buyback commitment a low price guarantee along with free shipping and free insurance so don’t wait call the number on your screen today and secure your financial [Music] future hey welcome back and cash Patel again thanks for joining us yeah so we we’re having an interesting discussion uh I want to get into the the threat of to the threat to throw Trump in jail for violating a gag order which is still hanging over his head uh cash you know I’m just reading the comments some people are asking what they can do about this because I think a lot of people of course you know support Trump for president for mainly the conservatives and they’re concerned they’re concerned that the justice system is not working the way it should as as you have pointed out and they’re wondering what they can do is there anything people can do on a civil level or like on a personal level absolutely look we’ll put aside the fact that the gag order is unconstitutional and violates Donald Trump’s First Amendment Free Speech rights he’s the only person who is not allowed to talk about the case and he’s the defendant in the case I’ve literally never heard of that in my entire career as a prosecutor or public defender but what other people can do is raise awareness to it and I think that’s what Donald Trump is leading the effort in by going out there every day and talking to the media and reading what the media printed about the gag order and reading about what other commentators in the media are writing about the gag order and legal experts I think what you’re seeing is a massive civics lesson for America to say and look most Americans don’t have to be constitutional experts nor should they they’ve got lives to live and families to take care of but this is an important lesson because they’re saying if they’re going to silence Donald Trump a presidential candidate for the United States of America whether I agree with him or not what if that they do it to me or my neighborhood or my family or my community so I think every person that talks about it raises the awareness and now it’s caught on such fire that even the fake news media is saying okay actually this is one step too far and when they admit that you know you’ve rung the bell and I think that’s what Donald Trump has done in a brilliant fashion because really what he should be able to do every day and we did this with defense uh Counsel on defendants all the time walk out and talk to the media tell them everything that happened give them your opinion that is your constitutional right to free speech that no judge in America can truncate and but this one did yeah you know re one of one of our viewers is asking if there’s anything they can do to get maybe elected representatives to react to this is there anything that can be done from that level I think you’re going to see that and I think you’ve seen some of that there have been some political representatives from Congress like uh Byron Donald and Cory Mills were there in the courthouse with President Trump the other day uh voicing their opinion to the media maybe some more folks will go down there I think U you can call your Congressional offices and senators and say Hey I want you to speak on this and enough people do they probably will I don’t think you’re GNA get maybe those select radical few in Congress to say that this gag order is actually constitutional I mean just look at it this way if Joe Biden were on trial for sexual misconduct against Tera Reed and the judge told Joe Biden you can’t go out there and talk about your case what would the mainstream media’s response be yeah you wouldn’t you wouldn’t hear the end of it um you know on that on that note too you know again as we were discussing the judge in the Manhattan case he’s threatening to throw Trump in jail if he violates the gag order again I mean he’s saying Trump has violated the gag order like 10 times I can understand from one point if you’re a judge and there’s nothing you can do to maintain order maybe you’d have to take that step but I was looking at the actual context of what he’s accusing Trump of and in some of the in some of the actual transcripts Trump is being accused of the judge of contempt for looking down or looking away like his body language stuff uh you know I mean I can understand the tweets maybe but like body language I mean it it seems bizarre to me but I want to ask you cash I mean is it even possible to throw a former president in jail like how does that even happen because they have Secret Service detail and you know who knows what else I mean look the secret Services professionals they they perform all sorts of logistical lifts that you couldn’t think possible but president Trump should never be put in prison or jail um especially not for contempt or any of these trumped up charges from the Biden Administration but I think this judge what he is doing is continuing the unethical conduct that shows why he should not be Pres iding over this case as you pointed out as an investigative journalist who actually looked at the contempt orders and the underlying documentation there is no basis for contempt but what does it do it gives him the mainstream media the headline Donald Trump charged with contempt Donald Trump con you know found held liable for contempt 10 different times so they can run with that narrative it allows his daughter to go out and continue to raise money to the tune of millions which she’s already admitted to through the company which she’s the CEO of and raises money for the the judge’s daughter right the judge’s daughter yeah excuse me um and so it gives them the headlines that they need and this judge is just feeding more ammunition into that machine this judge will not put Donald Trump in JY this judge will not imprison Donald Trump for any of these contemp violations because this judge knows the second he does that Donald Trump has the immediate right to appeal that unlike the rest of the case once you issue an Inc carcer of sentence the appeals issue becomes immediate and the court of appeals even as crazy as New York is will come back and say not only can you not hold him in contempt because these gag orders are unconstitutional but you need to immediately release it and it will delay his trial and the judge sees that the political headwinds are going against him in every single point of this case and so um not only is unconstitutional it shouldn’t happen and the Secret Service should never have to do it well you know that’s actually a really good point I hadn’t thought that the I I hadn’t thought about that element that when they go to appeal Trump’s probably going to bring up all the conflicts of interest of the judge and it’s going to bring the Integrity of that entire case uh on the table is do you think that’s what would happen were they to appeal it on that I I think everything’s fair game when the client you are representing has had his civil liberties removed meaning they’ve put him in prison or jail and so once that happens there triggers a whole set of different constitutional protections it’s not like you’re saying hey judge I find him a million bucks we’ll get to this later we can stay the order no big deal it’s a totally different scenario judge my client’s physically in jail for something that is completely unconstitutional and not only do they get the state court involved right this is a federal issue so they can take this matter to the federal court because constitutional due process stems from the Constitution which is a federal matter a state court has a right to adjudicate state issues so so now you’re taking this and saying wait a second we know the New York System might be rigged but what if we take this to federal court and a federal judge trounces the gag order the judge the conflicts of interests I mean it could be um a complete and total annihilation of this case by a judge which would be the last thing the uh Democrats and Biden want yeah well I mean speaking of the Democrats and Biden I I think the original calculation based on polling based on the media and even based on some public statements by officials uh they seem to have thought that if they could get a guilty verdict against Trump they’re going to win a few different points on the polls and what I’ve been saying repeatedly is that well context is important people you know if if I take a poll and they say hey if this guy’s a criminal would you vote for him I might say no but if I think that he’s been unjustly inrim incriminated you know if I think that the trial itself was unjust it’s not like a purely black and white thing for me the context is important and so I I feel like they’re trying so hard to get a guilty verdict that they’re ignoring the process and it looks like it’s helping Trump instead of harming him which I think they originally thought it would harm him I I want to hear your thoughts I mean what what is the how do you see the impact of these cases on the Trump campaign has it helped Trump or has it hurt him I mean I think you’re seeing Americans respond resoundingly in One Direction that it helps him for the reasons you pointed out it’s not a it’s not a popul it contest it’s not a do I like or dislike Donald Trump it’s a question of do I want to live in a constitutional republic where everyone has due process rights or do I want to live in a weaponized system of justice where the two-tier system of justice is a deep States weapon of choice for its political opponents it’s not a right-wing conspiracy anymore and every single one of these cases Georgia New York Florida Washington DC has its own different version of the Biden fingerprint when it comes to the unlawful prosecution of Donald Trump it’s one after the other after the other after the other and it’s been well documented on Epoch brilliantly so and the readers and audience that you have are going out to their communities and saying wait a second those guys weren’t lying about Russia gate was a rig job those guys weren’t lying about the 51 Intel letter those guys weren’t lying when they said Joe Biden actually possessed classified documents unlike president Trump the system has been repeatedly stacked against them but the mainstream media has done the bidding of those very deep state operatives to say oh those guys over there are just lying so I think what Donald Trump does cleverly every time and every day he’s in front of the podium in front of one of these cases is he educates more and more Americans and he says this is happening to me right now but they’re actually coming after you because the FBI is already admitted to going after parents at Schoolboard meetings the FBI is already admitted to going after Catholics and calling them domestic terrorists that’s what they’ve admitted to so far by the way if you associated with January 6th in any way the FBI is labeled you a domestic terrorist as a former terrorism prosecutor who actually manh hunted terrorists that is one of the most offensive things I’ve ever heard but those types of political labels are what America is turning off and tuning out of thanks to the Biden Administration yeah you know interesting comment from one of our viewers it’s James uh GT 289 it says more free media coverage and increased anti-leftist agenda sentiment is always beneficial you you know I’ve been thinking about this as well I kind of feel like in the absence of conservatives trying to kind of go out and fight that the left is actually turning on itself right now uh this was my feeling from the get-go is that you have a lot of people who just want to fight and they’re they’re trained to always look for something wrong to Rally against and protest against and I feel like they’re kind of eating themselves right now because the conservatives are not engaging like against the far-left anymore uh you know I mean what your take on that do do you see this as well happening yeah look just turn on I mean if you if you really are bored just turn on the mainstream media and you can watch the implosions you know take itself on center stage at MSNBC or CNN I mean they’re literally attacking each other and now they’re saying somehow the system is rigged by the conservatives and Donald Trump against them I mean it’s once they start turning the guns on themselves like you said they have done we have achieved the Mission Point of Truth we have put out to the American people the information and all the Talking Heads have left is to bark at each other and so I think it helps Donald Trump’s position because no one over there is saying anything factual or legally accurate anymore because there’s nothing for them to say we’ve blown through the hyperbole oh Donald Trump bad man must prosecute um so I think when the leftist does that it only helps Donald Trump even more especially um as the days go on yeah actually some some viewers are pointing to Trump’s uh event just recently in New Jersey and I mean yeah they said about aund 100,000 people showed up uh see Mary n you’re saying the more they do to Trump the more popular he becomes over 100,000 in New Jersey when Trump spoke you know you know cash when I was watching that event in New Jersey my thought was this I was like you know Trump might not have held an event in Wildwood had he not been stuck in New York and I I was I was thinking about that the trp is being forced to campaign like in New York City and in places that he might avoid because they’re not really Battleground States and I and I was kind of reflecting on this I was like you know maybe maybe in a weird way this is more effective than him campaigning in Battleground States I mean do you think him being in you know what are normally solid blue States is beneficial or do you think it would be better if he was in and he’s doing Pennsylvania and stuff still but you think it’s better off that he’s in these states like New Jersey well I think the ultimate uh situation would be it’s better off if Donald Trump weren’t being unconstitutionally prosecuted but we can’t solve that situation in the immediate future but I think what you pointed out is very politically astute and I think it’s backfiring on the left and the Democrats let’s bury him in a courtroom in New York City in the Lion’s Den where we own the media where we own the corporations where we own the Empire and we will swallow him up ho that was their ethos and he can’t get out let’s not have him in Wisconsin and Nevada and Georgia and elsewhere but as you pointed out what Donald Trump did brilliantly I think was you’re G to put me here I’m gonna campaign from here every single day literally the entire world the world not even just America is watching this trial it is the biggest trial of the last hundred years maybe ever and we’ve never had media coverage like we do today so every single outlet is looking at Donald Trump every time he walks out of the courtroom and says this constitutional system is broken this gag order violates my due process Michael Cohen’s a liar the systems rigged Alvin Bragg deleted evidence Joe Biden’s lawyers air mail themselves into this prosecution and lied to the world saying this is not for political vengance and so many other lines of Truth are being unloaded into the media that I don’t know that that type of megaphone could be even bought and on top of that as you said president Trump’s probably thinking um well I’m here why don’t I go to Wildwood New Jersey and put New Jersey in play and 100,000 people showed up as you pointed out so now I think the Democrats are like wait a second we we used to have New York and New Jersey on lockdown for presidential elections now they’re gonna have to put money over there and campaign over there uh because of the flow of the media cycle from New York wow I I didn’t think of that last part actually the Democrats are GNA have to fight over places they might have thought they might have thought they had 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