hi good evening everyone I’m Dr Philip McMillan and today I’m sharing an interview so I’m not interviewing the person but I want you to watch an interview that has been done on the Diary of a CEO with Steven Bartlett with Dr Malhotra I think this is a very important interview it’s a long interview and I’m just doing a few clips from it with the encouragement that you should listen to the whole thing he’s asking the big question or in the presentation they raised this question did the vaccine have a net negative result across the pandemic this is an important question and An Inconvenient one for many of this much of the scientific community and as well the political class who had mandated vaccines and what they don’t want to do is go back to this kind of an Anis so even just in the past week I think I saw another paper come out that was highlighting the fact that vaccines Sav so many lives from severe covid and I wouldn’t deny that it had an effect but the principle with medicine is looking at all cause mortality and studying carefully whether or not your intervention has an overall benefit it’s kind of like aspirin there’s a a reason that aspirin is not given to everyone all the time because there is a risk of complications around it with bleeding in the stomach being one of them and so therefore you have to think about the risk benefit for each patient a 16 year old who has no heart disease and no significant risk factors being on aspirin is more likely to cause harm than benefit and so when we think about any intervention in medicine we always take into consideration that overall risk factor and that’s what we call all all cause mortality and this is partially what was touched on with regards to the interview now Dr Malhotra is a cardiologist and so he was specifically interested in the context of what was happening in terms of heart disease and so I’ll jump first to the interview show you a short clip from it then I’ll jump back so that you you can see a little bit more about what was um what was happening let’s listen to what he was saying in this section when he was talking about the association with heart disease the quality of life deterioration that happens with people who are diagnosed with heart disease that may not be able to exercise very much because they get pain in their chest because of a blockage or they may develop what we call heart failure where the pump function of the heart is affected because of blockages or because of a previous heart attack has survived and therefore they can’t actually do the activity they want to enjoy and that’s you know way bigger in fact that’s well sorry just as important as as of course the the premature death rate so no it’s a massive issue and it’s interesting Steve that you you mentioned um the image side where people think about excess body fat and big muscles and that kind of thing and that also plays into a certain culture and mindset that I think detracts from us actually addressing the root cause of many problems with society today in our health um which is not related to image actually it’s about the the basic of of uh reducing stress about our social interactions Etc um to some degree obviously what we is linked to to how we look but um yeah I mean absolutely I think it’s not something people really think about enough um often until it’s too late how does it impact women because we mentioned it being the single biggest killer of men I think in Europe you said what about women it’s um not as bad for women and part of the reason for that Steve is and traditionally women women on average will live live up to 10 years longer than men right and the reason for that is that women don’t tend to develop heart disease um this I’ll pause here and we’ll come back to that in just a few minutes but I’m just giving you a clip a bit of a taste of what he’s talking about in terms of uh what has happened around the pandemic and the impact that it had on um on the the heart in terms of what was happening now I’ll I’ll show you another clip here where they’re looking at whether or not there was increased inflammation with regards to the heart and vaccination just take a look at what he was saying here a huge jump like just to give you perspective Steve if I today decided that I was going to just consume junk food all my meals right I was going to smoke 20 cigarettes a day I was going to stop exercising I wouldn’t get anywhere close to increasing my risk Within eight weeks and the mechanism was for inflammation and I thought ah I know heart disease is a chronic inflammatory condition think a lifestyle so if this is even partially true it means that the covid vaccines may be causing inflammation around the heart and that means that many people are going to have an acceleration in heart disease and that may explain what happened to my dad but that was only one bit of data of course a good scientist knows okay it gets you thinking it’s a hypothesis potentially obviously there some data but it’s not enough to be make it more than likely at this stage and within two weeks call it Providence or whatever else um I got a phone call from uh somebody who I know I consider him uh you know one of the smartest cardiologists very high integrity from a very prestigious institution and he called me up and he said Asim I’ve got something to tell you I’m very upset he said a group of researchers that I’m linked to in this institution um had accidentally found and this has nothing to do with blood tests or card risk through a very Hightech Imaging of the heart modality they were using that there was inflammation of the archeries which would cause obviously heart potentially heart attacks that was there in the vaccinated but not there in the unvaccinated the lead researcher sat the team down and he said guys I just want to make this clear we are not going to explore these findings any further because it may affect our funding from the drug industry now obviously people hearing this are going to think wow that is sounds corrupt um this is something that has been a big problem within medicine for a very very long time which isn’t getting an earring but it didn’t surprise me of that but it was still quite shocking but for me at that stage Steve it was okay at the very least I should ask the question and I was nervous about it I had been someone to the jab myself I went on Good Morning Britain and very early on when they were just offering it to high-risk people to say that um I think that this is probably safe and people shouldn’t be worried and this was again specifically to address people from black and ethnic minority communities because there was a lower uptake amongst those communities partly also because they often amongst some of the most marginalist marginalized members of society and they have less trust in authority and government so you can see how the psychology plays in there and I convinced a friend of mine who’s a film director ginda Chada who directed um bendit Like Beckham you might know some of her movies and we went on to together Good Morning Britain to say listen I think this you know this is fine so I had all of that and so I was in many ways I was indoctrinated and and there is you know and people don’t like to I I think I’d pause here that bit that he said with regards to the heart inflammation is extremely important and it’s a similar thing that occurred with regards to pet scans where they noticed in the vaccinated heart there was higher glucose uptake which usually indicates an inflammatory process it could other things as well and this characteristic changed in that cohort now everybody knows that the first person who comes up with an issue around the vaccine is likely to get shot down and this would be why the researchers were afraid to do any further research and this is something people don’t get there is no evidence of doesn’t often mean there is no evidence it often means that the research Arch hasn’t been done and the research is not done because funding is so tightly affiliated with the industry and if you do research that is going to affect the industry that is funding you that goes against what what you want from a financial point of view people may argue from an ethical point of view that’s a different question but the point is is that this is one of the main drivers why some of the critical research that we need especially like for instance I look for autopsy data hasn’t actually been done really critical pieces of information now just to follow up on what he was saying about the evidence with heart disease I’ll show you here a very critical paper that came out that caused a lot of storm in the UK but it was that relevant at the time and this paper was looking at excess mortality in England postco um pandemic imp ations for secondary prevention and so they were looking at the period 202022 to 2023 and you just have to look here is that at the time the UK office of national statistics they found that there was a 7.2% increase in the UK in the period of 2022 and this was comparing the five-year average excluding so this is between 20 2015 and 2019 before 2020 that was a 7.2% increase it’s important to note uh that actually they have changed the recording statistics so that that kind of s more simplistic measure is no longer used and so when they use the newer methodology it tends to show much less of uh significant excess mortality rise but this was still relevant at the time because it was above the fiveyear average let’s go back to this um paper again in 2023 they found that it persisted and it was 88.6% in the first half of 2023 in the first six months of the year so this was Rising year onye excess deaths I don’t think this will be any different now if we use the old measurements what I had found at the time when had mentioned this some months ago they looked or they considered the causes of excess deaths were likely to be multiple could be including Direct effects of covid acute pressures on the NHS acute services with poorer outcomes from episodes of acute illness and disruption to disease detection and management you will notice that in this analysis there was an elephant in the room that was not included and that had led me to use the concept of elephant in the room um because I couldn’t say at the time that um this was possibly the cause and I then coined the term elephant in the room because it needed to be said but couldn’t be said that was how bad at the time it was with regards to raising questions around the potential risks um with regards to vaccines it’s a little bit better now but I still have to be very cautious about what I say with regards to that in terms of what else the paper had said it highlighted as well that um you had here so when they looked at middle-aged adults 50 to 64 in that 13-month period the relative excess for almost all causes of death was higher than seen for all ages however deaths involving cardiovascular disease heart disease were 33% higher than expected and when specific to cardiovascular disease deaths involving ishemic heart disease so that’s heart attacks and Gina and so on that was 44% higher similarly cerebrovascular disease was 40% higher so these are very very significant findings and this was published in the landset regional landset so it shouldn’t have been ignored and when you think about what happened with um with um Mr Bridgend uh who was an MP at the time raising the questions about excess deaths and the lack of interest when that kind of data was there it was inconceivable that the government was not interested and it truly raises the question as to whether or not we should even be looking at excess mortality generally if when we see patterns they are not relev an to be investigated the other part of the paper highlighted another point which was that when you looked at the place of death when they looked at from the 3rd of June 2022 to the 30th of June 2023 there were 22% more deaths in private homes than expected now this was a huge question mark for me because I understand how the system works and if patients are end of life they can die at home but I know how difficult it is to get an end of life patient home with all the care packages and the support and what we do is FASTT track information to get people out of hospital so I know that there wasn’t a 22% increase in terms of this cohort of people getting out of Hospital who you expect to die so the fact that people died at home often times indicates that these were unexpected deaths somebody who died in their sleep now you could have things like suicide uh that could be possible but I think when we looked at the trajectory over time suicides were not that much higher um than than the previous um previous periods so it often times will point to sudden adult death and that often times means either a massive clot to the heart with um to the lungs a PE or some kind of cardio vascular arhythmia not even a heart attack a heart attack usually gives people chest pain and they call an ambulance so a heart attack does necessarily kill somebody at home they may die in hospital if they have a massive heart attack but for somebody to have an arhythmia an abnormal Rhythm that could be because of inflammation of the heart so these are very very important trends that needed to be delineated and what I would have wanted to see in that increase in private home was whether or not this was occurring in younger age groups and what was the um the significance of it I’m going to play you another clip from the um the video just so that you can hear about this question specifically with regards to potential harms long-term what was Dr malhotra’s take um on this but what’s missing is that actually okay is there a benefit that’s greater than harm in certain groups but we can indirectly answer that in a second so that was original trial so on average it was more harmful than beneficial okay but even before talking about all age groups Steve a 1 in 800 harm rate for a vaccine is completely unacceptable in the sense that we have pulled other vaccines in the past for much less harm the swine flu vaccine was suspended globally because it was found to cause G and Barry syndrome a debilitating neurological condition in one in a 100,000 people people Rota virus vaccine was pulled in 1999 because it was found to cause a form of battle obstruction in children at 1 in 10,000 so you’ve already got a harm rate of 1800 irrespective of right so that first and foremost should be a red flag to say hold on this is this is too much when they say harm rate how do they what’s the the range of definitions of harm well in this one they categorize serious harm as it caus you to be hospitalized yeah it caused a disability okay or something that was life-changing now of course that can incorporate lots of different things but of those and I spoke to the lead researcher I know work with him on other things um 40% of those serious harms were actually related to clotting disorders like lung clots heart attacks Etc make sure I’m super clear here because I don’t understand um the data you’re citing so you’re saying that they found one in 800 people would have serious harm or harm uh serious harm serious har serious 1800 people in the trials 1 in 800 yeah 1 in 800 serious harm right now just to give you perspective so you can balance it out just because this is important this a question you’ve asked is really important um we didn’t have any good real world data at that point on can we separate vaccinated from unvaccinated to look at what the hospitalization rate would be for covid for example in people who took the vaccine versus the people that didn’t according to age group that data in the whole world the only country to get make that data available was the UK and they did that in the beginning of uh 2023 so January last year and what did that show after two doses of the fiser vaccine Steve if you were over 70 so this is the highest risk group you had to vaccinate 2,500 people to prevent one person being hospitalized with covid this was with the different strein the Omnicom stream because the original stream was yeah it was they didn’t yeah it was you’re right it was with the con strain so that was still but it gave us a ballpark figure that even that so it’s it’s like so say a patient comes to me and says doc what are the benefits of this drug is a prevention whatever else and I say to them well if you take this there’s a one in 2,500 chance it will help you prevent you being hospitalized I’ll be honest with you Steve I mean in medicine in all the drugs I’ve used and all the data I know about different medications and heart disease Etc that figure I mean it’s a very serious issue but that figure is a joke I mean there’s nothing of that of such poor and then when you get under the a when you get to people under the age of say uh 50 you’re talking about having to vaccinate maybe several hundred thousand to prevent one is that relevant for that the first strain of CO as well because or do we not have the data on that because we don’t have that data on that we do in my paper which I published actually we did have some data on Delta and if I remember correctly the data on the over 70s the there’s also problems with this a little bit because it’s not corrected for other factors such as social economics Etc risk factors of you might make people more vulnerable so if I remember correctly from that paper if you’re over 70 that was about one and two5 Delta was the worst strain actually so about one in 250 okay I’m on the British Heart Foundation website I’m sure you’ve read this um just to yeah that uh this is important stuff and as I said I’m encouraging you to listen to the whole interview and and this is the the thumbnail of it in case you come across it um so about 2 hours long but um take a look at it and um make your own judgments my view is that um what we had and when I was looking at this from the perspective of um autoimmunity so this was the way I was looking at the pandemic and there this is where I my concern was is that I thought our research was pointing to the fact that the virus the cyto kind storm that was triggered by the virus meant that the prim primary mechanism was more like an autoimmune response and that was what we were researching now if that was the case meaning that if the scientific Community had accepted that they would have had to think very carefully about how you stimulate the immune system what are the risks and so when I pull back and look at it from an autoimmune perspective seeing these kinds of outcomes don’t surprise me at all because the problem and this is really important I break this down in in some of the the courses I do the virus the infection of the virus in a small number of people can cause a pneumonia a viral pneumonia where they get short of breath and unless they have underlying lung disease they’re not going to die from it what kills people is the cyto kind storm where they get little clots blocking up the blood vessels going to the alvioli and literally they will lose 90% of their oxygen exchange capability that group of people will end up on intensive care the trigger or the mechanism that is causing the microclots is more about the immune system that is not the virus so as long as you understand that simple differentiation where the immune system it’s like an overreaction of the immune system that is what does the destruction and so therefore if you are going to stimulate the immune system you have to take into consideration the question is will you cause that immune system to become overreactive and so therefore when further exposure of virus occurs you have abnormal immune responses this is what what they found in early research when they were trying to make vaccines for SARS kov this was from 2003 interestingly when I spoke with Professor petrovski his vaccine which was protein-based didn’t cause the immune pathology that almost all the other types of vaccines did so this is the foundation of where the questions lie the problem is going forward autoimmunity around covid increases with infection so a lot more people because of the infection will have more autoimmune disorders and so no matter what we do we’re going to see an explosion of these numbers over the next 5 to 10 years the question is does this process get exacerbated by vaccinating large portions of the population that’s a big question and based on S small research study in Italy they found an 28% absolute risk of people developing Auto antibodies when you put this across a population and you realize that autoimmune diseases are the great Pretender they don’t present obviously they have a whole variety of symptoms and you literally have to be looking for it to find it when you put that on a population we we are bound to be facing huge issues in the future how do we mitigate that I’m not sure because in effect the stuff that has been done has already been done and when you add on to the fact that we are having high circulation of virus in regions that are highly vaccinated because their mucosal immune system is unable to prevent infection therefore you have an even greater risk because every time there is an a breakthrough infection you increase the risk of multiple organ involvement and that’s where it leads me to the storm and this is what I’m building the case for now so again if you’re listening to me this is going to be ahead of the research I am looking at the outcomes that are coming and I’m looking at this Spike triggered autoimmune response mechanism That’s What I Call uh storm I think this is extremely serious and we need to figure out how to manage it we need to understand the mechanisms and we need to research it that’s the kind of work that needs to be done now to try and mitigate the damage I’m not sure if we can reverse the damage but potentially if we can identify who’s at risk and put in in place the right framework to protect them maybe lifelong treatment then it will still be protective against some of the complications that could come down down the line so we have hugee challenges ahead of us and I’d encourage everyone before I finish please make sure that you join us with this revolution um subscribe to our newsletter when you subscribe to this one you will also get a free ebook on um nitric oxide and you can see this is an incredible um piece of um of newsletter tremendous testimonials five star we’re building a Community we want this to be very valuable to people so please join us in that Journey as we continue to explore the science the reality at the moment is that there are huge problems ahead I don’t think there’s any easy way out of it and you have to remember that this trajectory that I’m talking about when I speak of storm is not in a few months this is over a period of years a gradual increase this is why I call it a storm surge it just keeps on coming and doesn’t stop that’s what we’re likely to face as I said we need to find strategies to research innovate and mitigate some of the actions that occurred in the past have a great evening look forward to sharing more information with you remember to subscribe remember to join our newsletter and let’s have a revolution in the way we approach Healthcare thank you [Music]
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