John Rich: Donald Trump, the Darkness of Eminem’s New Album, and the Song Inspired by God

it seems like everything has aligned in the period of like 3 days to make it very obvious Donald Trump’s going to be the next president there’s no doubt about it at this point very little doubt to the extent you can tell the future but what do you make of that uh well they tried to kill him yeah well well there’s that I mean and they missed or God turned his head and they missed and then within like four minutes Elon Musk endorses him richest man in the world right biggest most important media Mogul in the world by far Bill Amman lifelong Democrat it’s like all all of a sudden it’s just everything changes in one moment people like Eminem I looked up his record just to see what Eminem’s doing one of the titles on his record is just called evil one is called Lucifer and one is called Antichrist of course he’s got the entire machine behind him I I don’t have anybody you won’t be able to buy or sell unless you have the mark of the beast you could you could replace the word Beast with system Revelation says that oh yeah how do you not take it how do you not take the mark yeah you have to be with to [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] die um so when you you texted me when was that when did you text me about I texted you probably I sent you the audio of it probably four months ago so I’m not a you know a musician or a musical performer or anything like that so I don’t you know I have no idea what’s you know what the market wants or anything like that but um when you said you You’ written a song about Revelation I was like well um it’s legitimate book of the Bible but it’s the one that preachers don’t teach that no one really wants to read and I’m thinking I don’t that’s so great I couldn’t wait to talk to you about it but yeah I didn’t think that anyone it’s an uncomfortable book want to hear about so so tell the story like how I’ve never heard of anybody doing something like that right first of all what is revelation Revelation uh was written by the Apostle John at the end of his life um when he was basically a cast away at that point and he started receiving visions and prophecies and he wrote down what he saw and a lot of what he saw you got to remember he only had his life experiences to try to describe what it was that he was seeing in these prophets he was on an island as I recall yeah a of patmas yeah and uh so he was writing this out as it was coming can you imagine what he must have felt like what is that what is that like he’s seeing all these things that are going to happen thousands of years in the future and he’s trying to describe it to us uh in the terms that he was familiar with so I mean the the book is absolutely incredible and it’s not just Revelation Revelation ties back into Daniel which was around thousands years before John yes it also ties in Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2 and 1 Corinthians and a lot of other places people think that the whole end times discussion only resides in the Book of Revelation but that’s not true so the Book of Revelation tells the story of the end of History that’s my tells the story about about the return of Jesus Christ yes it it says it’s telling you what is going to happen prior to him coming back and what’s going to happen after he comes back lays it out so how did you decide to write a song about a book of the Bible that most Christian preachers don’t want to talk about I did not decide to write this song H because first of all how do you sing what’s in Revelation I mean think about it you know uh last November I’m met my house in Nashville was not thinking about writing a song about anything and out of nowhere it felt like a hammer hit me in the back of the head boom like that like what is this what is going on what’s this feeling and this melody and these lyrics oh Revelation I can feel it coming like a dark Train Running Oh get ready cuz the king is coming the king is coming back again just I’m talking like that and I went where were you okay I was at home in Nashville just sitting in your living room just being a just chilling out and I said okay I hear you I grabb a guitar Off the Wall a pencil a notebook went and sat in a quiet room in the house and in about 60 Minutes the entire song had come out I sang it into my little voice notes on my iPhone put my earbuds in and walked around the house just pacing around the house listening to it over and over and the hair is raising up on my arm is this how pardon my ignorance but is this how songwriters write songs does this has this happened to you before is this no nothing’s ever the only other song I ever wrote that felt like this was one called Earth to God that I wrote a few years ago that was the same experience with that but this one was more intense than that um you know when he hits you you know it it it is it is you cannot mistake uh when the Lord slaps you upside the head with something you have a physical reaction to it I do I have a physical reaction to it it does not happen very often it’s a very rare occurrence but when it happens listen what I’m built to do is take a pencil and put the words on the paper put music to that and then project that out that I’ve spent my whole career getting to a point where I’m pretty good at that except this message this message is beyond and it’s incredible that it hit me when it did in this period of time you feel like you were channeling this I felt like he slammed it right through me and as I’m walking around listening to it and the hair is raising up on my arms I remember looking out the window and I looked up and I went what do you want me to do with this I mean what is what do you want me to do and the message I felt coming back to me was take it all the way to the mat that’s the phrase it hit me meaning make the audio as great as you can with your skill set make the video as compelling as you possibly can and when you get those things done tell as many people as you can slam it out there with no fear as hard as you possibly can and let let this thing be heard that is your job go do it so you’re describing a creative process in which you’re kind of like not driving the train at all at all no no cuz I didn’t come up with the song I did not lay out some marketing strategy for the song I was given instructions as to what to do with it and listen uh it’s it’s an unnerving thing to write a song like that to sing it and then put it out there in front of God and everybody especially in the way the world thinks and operates today that’s that’s not what a that’s not what a popular artist would do I mean well what’s again I don’t know anything about this world um but when you told me that I didn’t even think about you know would anyone download that song and then as of this morning it’s one of the top downloads in the country it’s in all genres it’s it’s in the top fiveish right now of all genres of downloaded songs it’s battling people like Eminem Who I looked up his record just to see what Eminem’s doing one of the titles on his record is just called evil one is called Lucifer and one is called Antichrist how crazy is that and so I see Eminem and revelation of course he’s got the entire power machine behind him I I don’t have anybody I don’t have any you know any physical machine behind me and so to watch those two songs sitting there coexisting was a a pretty when you say machine to people who aren’t in the music business like maybe they don’t know what you’re talking what are you talking about massive record labels massive radio play Massive budgets to to push and promote and manipulate media and get get his get his song out there what is your what is your record label doing for you my record label yeah my record label is a PO Box Rich Records LLC I’m the president founder and uh employee so you don’t you don’t have anybody pushing the song nope just the people that hear it and if the song strikes them they they push it forward to whoever’s following them so before we get into what the song is actually about um will you just describe like how do how do you roll something like this out if you don’t have publicists record label if you don’t have the machine how do you do that I do have a publicist so Jules has been with me a long time so when it’s time to roll she’ll call people and go hey John’s got the song Revelation would you interview him about it so we do do that we go out and talk to people and you know come talk to you but beyond that uh nothing you just post it I posted it on my ex account at John rich and I went up there and I said this is the most important song I’ve ever written it’s called Revelation I hope it brings courage to the saved conviction to the lost and absolute fear to the truly Wicked that was the post and within about 48 hours it’s now battling some of the biggest artists in the world that’s all I said that’s just absolutely incredible and that’s it there’s nothing else that’s it then the song and that video does its thing you know it’s it’s got the boss’s hand on it he he gave it to me he told me to write it so I did did and he told me to go put it out there so I did it’s on him now what do you what do you think the message so you you basically have said that you didn’t write the song the song came through you that’s correct and I that may sound like some kind of weird thing for people to hear but that is exactly what happened I’m not capable of writing lyrics like that and and first of all they’re not really lyrics it’s they come right off the pages of the book man I mean it I just made it rhyme I just made what John talked about in Revelation I just made the crafted them so where they would rhyme and become a song but you know the the the entrance of the song says St uh dancing in the Flames the people cursed his name talking about Jesus and bowed at the altar of the Father of Lies but there’s a number to their days and all their evil ways the Lord’s going to turn away from all their cries meaning at the end and what that’s talking about is when you watch the Super Bowl halftime show or you watch the Grammy Awards or you watch some of these big concerts and music videos where they are putting satanic symbolism right in your face they are they are practicing witchcraft on the stage right in front of you you’re watching a football game or an award show and with your kids and now whmo straight Evil coming straight at you we’ve all seen this now somebody has to counter that you know these guys have all these massive budgets the entertainment value value the the ability to produce those things at such a high level it’s impossible to look away from it you know it’s like Boom Pow huge special effects all this stuff and everybody’s just mesmerized and it’s going right into them so on Revelation wait can I just ask you to pause yeah go ahead I actually haven’t seen any of that because I don’t have TV but um I’ve read that this happens yeah why why are they putting why are they pushing Satan worship on television because they’re doing the work of their father just like I am wow um and there’s kind there’s kind of no denying I mean there’s they’re not getting richer by pushing satanic symbols sure they are yeah yeah because the industry uh you know the way that the way those movie Industries music Industries all of that now not everybody in those Industries obviously is you know some kind of a Satan worshipper or something but there’s a lot of that in there there’s a lot of that in there and they have spent decades programming us from a young age to think those things are fine and normal and they get rewarded for that you know that they people that people that really serve the father of Lies they get rewarded by him when they when they Proclaim his word and do what he tells them to do and so Revelation is the other side of that that’s why I went to such extremes with this video because I wanted it to compete visually with what people are used to seeing I didn’t want it to be like some onedimensional looking thing I wanted it to be up to the level to what people are used to saying if we’re going to combat we’re going to present both sides play at a high level bring it at a high level and that’s why we went so far with it it’s just it’s so interesting to see the way you’re framing this so it’s it you’re framing it very differently it’s not just that the the media and entertainment businesses are liberal or in the pocket of the democratic party you’re saying that they’re pushing a theology mhm on the country 100% no doubt about it you know the devil uh he’s scared to death of Jesus Christ I mean it says in the scripture resist the devil and he will flee from you flee like wet his pants and run out the door If you deny him if you go NOP of course with Jesus in you you go uh-uh get out of here and he will he’ll take off running and so you’re not supposed to have fear of him the only one you’re supposed to fear if you’re a Christian is not the ones who can kill your body it says Don’t Fear the ones who can kill your body Fe fear the one who can kill your body and kill your soul meaning the Creator the boss Jesus Christ the Trinity and so I look at this situation as man if he’s going to hit me with this song and trust me it makes me nervous I’m I’m a little nervous right now just sitting here talking about it but if he’s going to task me with that someday when I go see him I’m going to I’m going to have to answer for a lot of things I didn’t do right but I hope this is one where he goes but you did a good job on that one because I gave you the song I told you what to do with it and you did it you put it out there it it so when you say these things you’re not saying them as someone who’s guessing I mean you’ve been in the entertainment business your whole life over 30 years since you were a kid I think 19 19 so I mean you know how it works again this is not something that you read it’s something you’ve seen when did it become clear to you that this was a theology that these people were working knowingly or not on behalf of evil actual evil like when did that da on you well it became they got so arrogant with it it seems like in maybe the last less than 10 years it it I don’t know what happened on their side but I guess they got the green light to go all the way in and that’s when you started saying for instance Grammy Award performances where people are literally coming out wearing satanic symbols they are carrying out I guess they were mock seances but I mean it looked pretty real to me and all of this stuff started happening even some of your biggest artists in the world during their live concerts in full of Giant stadiums full of people are doing these things out on the stage in between their hit songs they’ll come out as just part of the production of the show it’s art it’s just art I mean go look at there’s a rapper named Lil Nas out there and trust me everybody watching you won’t know but everybody watching this most people will know what I’m talking about when you see him uh giving a lap dance to the devil in his video straight up and they are not ashamed about it you look at Eminem’s new record where the titles are Lucifer Antichrist evil this is out right now so I don’t know what happened on their side to go pedal through the metal with it but they absolutely did so on the other side of that what are we supposed to do in response to that just yell at it scream at it be disgusted by it you can do all those things the first is naming you’re naming it you’re which I think is so interesting you’re calling it what it is you’re not falling for the lie which is this is just art right it’s more than that I mean maybe it’s art we can debate that but it’s certainly more than that this is a theology you’re pushing a religion on me yeah and it’s a religion of darkness and lies right and they’re you know they’re pushing the same uh their same theology because it is that on our kids they’re pushing it in schools they’re pushing it in pop culture they’re pushing it everywhere you turn around you can’t get away from it I mean we’re inundated with it right now we are swimming and what these people have put out there it’s again it’s just really important to know what you’re dealing with and to say it out loud and I think if you had said that to me five years ago I would have thought well you know really like John Rich a little far out but now nothing saying right now can anybody that’s had a TV set on in the past year knows what I’m talking about it’s just beyond um thank you for saying that so tell us about Revelation you said Revelation is the story of Jesus coming back right um what’s in it exactly because I think even a lot of Christians haven’t read it carefully don’t understand it don’t want to confront it what what is it so in in in this song and in this video what it is talking about is what the real war is Lord’s going to turn away from all their cries oh reation I can feel it coming like a dark Train Running Oh get ready cuz the king is coming the king is coming back again the real war is not Trump and Biden the real war is not left and right the real war is not culture War it says in Ephesians we wrestle not with flesh and blood but with principalities and powers and the rulers of spiritual darkness of this Earth of this world that is the battle that’s the real battle and and they say you know in the Bible it says you can’t see that because there’s a thin veil between the physical and the spiritual what’s going on just on the other side of the veil but when you read Daniel and you read Revelation it says at some point that Veil will be torn which my song talks about that and when that Veil is torn you’ll be able to see what’s going on on the other side of that and so in the video you see the devil come blasting through a fiery portal out in the woods of Tennessee on one side of a little Country Church on a black horse and he starts running and he looks nasty it’s Nick Cersei by the way the actor my good friend he plays the Devil he’s one of the nicest guys you ever met so it’s funny that he’s the devil but he plays a good one and on the other side of that church out in the woods in Tennessee this massive beam of energy comes crashing down to the ground and the trees go like this and out of that blast comes Michael the Archangel and he pulls a broadsword out of his sheath and he start and he grits his teeth and this guy’s got muscles that’s Hollywood Yates my buddy from California he comes walking straight towards the devil and they’re coming like this and I’m standing in the middle I’m humanity and here’s evil and here’s righteousness and they are about to Clash and the point of that is to put into people’s mind a representation of what is spiritual warfare what I wonder what it actually looks like now I did the best job I could trying to depict that but when you see those scenes I think that’s one reason why this song is doing what it’s doing because to my knowledge nobody’s ever even approached this subject in the world of music or video amazing so why is it um why is revelation so hard for people to to grasp to read to understand so for thousands of years um the prophecies and Revelation and Daniel and other places seemed like such science fiction to people they just couldn’t understand how these things were even possible including my own dad who’s been preaching since he was about 19 he’s in his early 70s now and he said yeah John you know just never could understand how some of these things were possible for instance the mark of the beast how is it possible we would all say that you could track every human being in the world and know where they are and how they get their money and where they spend their money I mean that’s just impossible and here we sit going oh no they’re tracking us right now they know exactly where we spend our money and where we get our money because it says you won’t be able to buy or sell unless you have the mark of the beast you could you could replace the word Beast with system Revelation says that oh yeah without the market you won’t be able to buy or sell unless you bear the mark of the Beast and when you when you go back and look that up in the Hebrew it’s talking about the global power that’s in place at that point the system that is in place traditionally think tanks do a lot of thinking and the Heritage Foundation still does that but it also thankfully has begun doing Heritage has built a massive investigative and litigation operation out of its headquarters to save this country from the corruption that is taking it over both actual literal corruption Financial corruption there’s a lot of that but also ideological and moral corruption and to fight back Heritage is engaging in almost 50 separate law suits against various government entities to try and pry out information to bring a little sunlight to the process that even Congress can’t get and it’s been working they produced documents exposing the Biden crime family to the rest of the world you’ve read those stories and help kill the sweetheart deal that Biden’s doj tried to make with his son Hunter Biden Heritage also developed a comprehensive plan to dismantle the Deep State the swamp by Staffing the next Administration with people who know what they’re doing thousands of Americans who on day one can start to make this country better so it’s important work again it’s not just thinking it’s doing and if you want to support it go to heritage.org Tucker what is the what is the Beast the Beast is going to be whatever entity a a group of Nations it speaks of that will set into motion we always talk about globalist and the globalist agenda and all these things it will be a a globalized strangle hold on the human population that they will know where you spend your money where you get your money reminds me of Central Bank digital currency if something like that happen so I’ve read I’m embarrassed this is being recorded I probably shouldn’t admit this I’ve read Revelation actually I tried to understand it um last year I didn’t realize it said how did I miss that it says you can’t buy or sell without the mark of the beast without the mark yes that’s true John on the Apostle John on some Greek island 2,000 years ago said that yes he did yes he did and so so prior to technology showing up where it’s at now in 2024 these things were impossible couldn’t I mean this how’s that going to happen that’s a pretty specific call though to very specific yeah so now all the things that need to exist physically are all here now so that the prophecies that have been laid out could now physically manifest now I don’t know if that’s going to be today or 100 years from now or a thousand years from now I don’t know the answer to that but I do know this is a new era so when you read Revelation you read Daniel and you read these other these other prophecies it’s now doesn’t sound like science fiction anymore because we see it every single day that is absolutely crazy is that a light bulb going off or what well yeah yeah I don’t and I also don’t quite know how I read the whole thing and didn’t catch that well it’s a because that is this that is one of the central questions I mean that’s like top three question of our current moment is will we allow technology to take our autonomy away and for example control what we buy or sell right well I mean yeah with the Advent what we’ve got AI now in the mix we’ve got all these things that I mean we already know they they track us we already know they know where we spend our money we already know things I wanted to talk about you know spiritual warfare we just saw president Trump almost murdered on stage and everybody I’ve heard talk about it even his detractors say that was an act of God that he did not die yes it was it was also an act of God that the situation was allowed to happen in the first place don’t forget that part it’s all an act of God all of it so the Lord allowed this situation to happen and then he allowed Donald Trump to survive the situation I wonder I had this thought this morning before I came and saw you and I was reading and thinking praying about it and I said I wonder if what just happened to Donald Trump this near-death experience he just survived is not an analogy for what’s about to happen to the United States of America is America at some point going to have a near-death experience but survive it but nevertheless have a near-death experience you know if you look at America nobody’s ever been more blessed than America nobody’s ever been more prosperous than America more free than America we’ve been given every possible thing you could ever want life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and what has our country done with that not every person but as a whole what have we done with that yeah how much blasphemous things have come from this country and exist unchecked right now in our society and I think to myself well is America immune from the wrath of God are we immune from it because I’m pretty sure he’s really upset with a lot of the things we’ve done and I think the only way people ever truly repent and come back around is to have those what we could call a near-death experience that those experiences have happened throughout the Bible where uh Saul for futur known as Paul who wrote most of the New Testament his whole job was to go out and hunt down Christians and cut their heads off that’s his job he was good at it he was ruthless town to town to town they oh Saul’s coming hide hide he’ cut their heads off cut their heads off and then on the road to Damascus he gets knocked flat on his butt and is blinded for several days and in those moments he realized oh wow he’s real I’ve been cutting the heads off of his people this entire time and he had a near-death experience and when Paul came when Paul Saul came out of that he then became Paul and then he wrote half of the New Testament this is not new in in God’s Mo when the Bible when When God says about himself I am the same yesterday today and forever my word does not change we change culture changes the world changes but he doesn’t so however he dealt with things all the way back to the beginning of the written word is exactly how he’s going to deal with them now and into the future and that is something people don’t want to come to grips with they they America likes to make Jesus into their own image a lot of Christians like to make Jesus in their image they want the version of Jesus that they like they like the Savior part they don’t like the Lord part it’s Lord and Savior what’s the difference well the Savior part is is the part that saves your soul and you you get to go be with him when you die the Lord part he refers to uh his people as bondslaves Bond slaves we are supposed to be Bond slaves to Christ meaning you are a piece of property he owns you you don’t have your will does not matter what you want to do does not matter he owns you that’s what it means to truly become an actual real Christian as you turn everything over to him it’s like the the what does it mean to repent what does that mean repentance is like uh if you were if you were driving your truck out here and you saw Jesus Christ standing on the side of the highway you go holy cow Jesus standing on the side of the highway he needs a ride so you pull over you roll down the window you go hey Jesus you need a ride and he goes yep and he walks around to your side of the car and knocks on the door and says move over and he sits behind the steering wheel and turns a U-turn and goes the other direction or wherever he wants to go that’s repentance repentance is not I like the Savior part I don’t like the Lord part it’s just like belief and Faith the difference between those two things the Devil Himself believes in Jesus Christ he knows all about him he’s been fighting with him since the beginning belief I’m listen what is this it’s a chair it’s a nice chair good strong chair made well before I sat down in this chair I look at that chair and I go I believe that chair will hold me up I really do it’s a nice chair strong chair but until I sit down in the chair I don’t have faith that the chair will hold me up you have I have to trust and and have faith in this chair that I will not go crashing down to the floor when I sit down on it that’s what faith is the Jesus that um exists and whose words and deeds are recorded in the New Testament how is that Jesus different from the one that we hear about in a lot of churches you know um there’s a verse I actually printed it out I know it but I just don’t I don’t want to misquote uh scripture at all 2 Chronicles 7:14 very well-known verse gets quoted all the time if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their Wicked Ways then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land okay that gets read all the time here’s the part they Miss Tucker the very first line if my people will repent If my people will turn from their wicked ways not the devil’s people he’s not saying yeah if the devil’s followers will just repent and turn around I’ll come heal your land no he said If my people will mine the ones who have my name who bear my name Christians if they will repent and turn from their Wicked Ways and Umble themselves I will come heal their land so the answer to your question is for a very long period of time in this country we’ve not had any type of persecution or horrible things happening that would that would humble a Christian like that and and refocus them to understand who he actually is and so because of that all these bad things are happening now that is not going to be preached in a church I promise you Tucker no preacher is going to say it’s our fault that this is happening why because it puts the onus on them on me on you on Christians they don’t want to have to take that what this can’t be my fault this is all the devil’s work well it says right here if my people if my it says it right there if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways dude read what it says I mean for too long preachers have gone in and and sanded the edges off of these very literal and very powerful verses to suit The Narrative it’s not it’s not unlike uh what they do in the media we always talk about how the media will take a a story about how a war started or some some big thing that’s going on and they’ll twist it around to fit the narrative that they want to have to accomplish Whatever It Is Well the same thing happens with scripture all the time and it’s been happening for a very long time I would I would say even hundreds of years it’s been happening so it is interesting the I mean they replace the White House replaces Easter with trans visibility day they put an old lady and many others in prison for praying in an abortion clinic these are obvious attacks on Christianity um putting Christians in prison because they’re Christians that’s an attack on Christianity and you haven’t heard a ton from preachers on that I mean some but you’d think they would be rising up as one and saying no no not allowed but they’re not and so it does feel like if there is push back against us well you’re a country music star and you’re pushing back why is it falling to you that’s a great question I mean trust me I’m going I’m asking the same question um but if you read back through the the history of the Bible some of the people that came forward and and brought messages forward were the most unlikely human beings you would have ever picked for almost almost all the 12 disciples I mean bunch of sailors a tax collector I mean random people that became the 12 disciples are Saul going into Paul I mean the guy that’s murdering the Christians we’re going to have him right most of the New Testament guys that’s the plan really I mean who would have thought that the no it’s you’re totally right go back to go back to Moses you know Moses did not want to did not want to go tell pharaoh to let my people go he goes it says that Moses basically had a speech impediment he couldn’t speak well yeah he goes you want me to go give this big message to Pharaoh I can’t even speak very well he goes yeah but your brother Aaron can so Aaron’s going to go with you and Aaron’s going to help you speak and and tell but you’re going to be the one delivering the message Moses like I don’t want to do this I don’t want to do this he goes you’re gonna do it and he goes okay fine I’ll go do it I mean and Moses doesn’t even have like he’s so mad at his own people that at one point he says to God just kill me I can’t deal with these people they’re horrible right exactly why did you pick this David is a great example so David David is the only man in the Bible that God said is a man after my own heart it got to be the greatest compliment ever given to a human being for God to say David is a man after my own heart but let’s let’s think about who David was for a minute so David when we first really start learning about him he’s a Shepherd boy probably a teenager and the Israelites are facing off with the Philistines and they refuse to take on the Philistines because of this giant standing out there named Goliath we all know the story and David Goes to visit his brothers out there in the field and he’s like why are you guys not why why are they still over there blaspheming us I mean why haven’t you taken these guys out and they gow David don’t you know they’ve got a giant he goes oh that’s why you’re not doing it because they got a giant well yeah he’s 10 feet tall he goes oh okay I’ll be right back and David runs down to the creek and he picks up a few rocks and has his sling on him he goes watch this Wham and he lets the rock fly hits Goliath right between the eyes and knocks him down people think that that’s what killed Goliath but that’s not what killed Goliath that’s what knocked him down and so when he knocked him down there’s Goliath laying there Dazed and Confused like wow what just happened and as he’s in that state David pulls Goliath’s own sword out of out of Goliath’s sheath which was probably heavier than he was raised it up over his head and cut Goliath’s head off in front of the Philistines and the Hebrews and then he turns around and looks at the Hebrews go you ready to fight now and they went Wham and here they come and they destroyed the Philistines they ran them completely out out of there so if David’s a man after God’s Own Heart and that’s how David operated I would argue that’s how Christians are supposed to operate there’s a difference between you know the the Scripture it says pray for your enemies you know that one of course there’s a difference in our enemies and God’s enemies does not say to pray for God’s enemies matter of fact it’s the quite opposite of that in Proverbs 6 people that say well God loves everybody nowhere does it say that Proverbs 6 it lists the people that God hates it uses the word hate and one of the first thing he lists is those whose feet are Swift to shed innocent blood yes he hates them we are not supposed to pray for them and you go into Psalms 139 and David says I hate your enemies talking to God with a perfect hatred that’s what he wrote down so there’s a lot that Christians are confused about right now it’s all kind of mangled up and missed and mashed together from from all the centuries of preaching this stuff that they have lost their Edge they’ve forgotten who they are and they’ve forgotten how Jesus operated how his people operated and where we’re supposed to land when this is all said and done especially when you were taking on the absolute evil that runs the world like we talked about in Ephesians the spiritual warfare side it’s interesting I I learn most by sort of negative Assessments in other words if you look at people who you know are doing the wrong thing um um what do they hate what are they opposed to and that tells you a lot and they’re so focused on Christians who are the most peaceful law-abiding decent even if you think they’re insane they’re they’re definitely not mugging anybody why you mad at them right but they are and they feel very very threatened Christian nationalism yeah you know what I mean do you really think that those are the people you need to wor no you want more of people like that but the the people in charge don’t feel that way they’re very threatened by the Christians and I just think that that’s the most revealing of all yeah because they know who dwells within the Christians the boss the ultimate the alpha the Omega the one whose blood was poured out on a tree for us that’s who lives inside of us the one who created the Devil Himself that’s who they’re afraid of so you said a minute ago that um that history will end time will and Jesus will return you don’t know when right it says we don’t know exactly when okay so can you and I I get at least once a day someone coming by my house and leaving me something about the end times and which I appreciate of course and um no I’m I’m actually serious sure sure and uh every single day and that’s great and I and I met a lot of the people and that couldn’t be nicer but in some of the stuff that they leave which I read actually um there’s a sense that like we can predict through numerology for example like the day this is history’s ending mhm and you’re saying we can’t no the Bible says we can’t I’m not saying anything the Bible says uh no man knows the time nor the hour when Jesus will return and that’s correct nobody knows can I back up 200 years with you real quick I know you love history yes 200 years ago basically in 1830 a very wealthy very charismatic preacher named John Darby d a rby y came with this Doctrine that’s now referred to as the secret Rapture or the pre-tribulation 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again that is Pur talk.com Tucker to switch your cell phone service to a company you can be proud to do business with few decades after that a guy named CI scoffield have you ever heard of a scoffield Bible yes I have okay so CI scoffield was a basically a student of John Derby and he adopted that part of the doctrine and he Incorporated that into the Bible it was the first Bible ever made that had study notes with it we have all kinds of Bibles now that have you know concordances and study notes and all kinds of stuff that go along but this was the first one that was ever ever made it became so popular every Christian was reading it every Minister was reading it and this this continues today to this exact second my own dad when he went in seminary and was you know wanting to become a minister they said make sure you have a scoffield Bible now when you come to class have your scull fi Bible scoffield Bible also adopted that that entire John Derby philosophy of Christians will not be here when the bad stuff starts to happen and most Christians still believe that matter of fact a lot of my friends that are Christians are going to watch this interview are probably right now going hang on a minute now hang on so this is a this is pushing back against a Doctrine that’s been in existence now for coming up 200 years the problem with that Doctrine is there’s a several places in the Bible where it talks about what’s going to happen prior to Jesus Christ coming back to the earth when he does come back that is when what we call the Rapture happens the word rapture is nowhere in the Bible it talks about us being caught up with him and pulled out of here and then and then the ultimate wrath is poured out on this planet that’s what we call the Rapture but so that’s not in debate the question is what happens leading up to that it’s a good question to ask right for some reason nobody ever preaches that they don’t want to talk about what all happens prior to it so if I can can I just read if we have time that’s why I love the thought of this interview just oh I do too but just to be clear you’re what you’re saying is the scoffield Bible its theology is deceptive I’m saying that the same way the media takes a factual situation and twists it and gives you a version of it which we all know we’re force fed every single day that same exact tactic was used in 1830 by Darby and guess who he was connected to by the way the Rothchilds interesting yeah he was connected to the Rothchilds family back in the day that he did the same exact tactic and twisted that I don’t know why he did that it worked because it took off and I mean it it was there were churches popping up everywhere right after that I’m saying that including me including my own father for a long time that’s what we believe too but when you start actually going back and reading line by line by line what is said that will be leading up to Jesus coming back which is when the Rapture happens it’s a it’s the inverse of what John Derby put down I I didn’t know that uh but somehow I’m not surprised even a little bit yeah yep um yeah I’m sorry I interrupted you I just want to be totally clear about what you were saying so you were say you want I’m curious how you take this what I’m telling you right now I don’t know that personally I mean I know nothing about any of this stuff um but I decided to read the Bible about about a year and a half ago I did um and it really just changed my life I just thought it was just the most amazing thing I’ve ever read or or done uh but when I decided to do that I’m so distrustful you know I didn’t grow up around preachers but I I have real distrust and I think it’s earned and so I didn’t want any commentary in my the Bible that I bought on amazon.com I just want to know what it says thanks Jeff I just want to know what it says and um so yeah I and to this day including this morning I mean I just I just want to because I’m coming from total ignorance that my father was not a preacher not to put it modly so um yeah I don’t have the background at all so I just want to know what it says I don’t want to be misled I’ve lived a life uh you know in the media so I’m highly familiar with how populations are misled lied to deceived and then hurt on the basis of those lies I know a lot about that and I didn’t want that I don’t want that’s why I don’t have TV that’s why I don’t like the internet I don’t want that stuff in my head and so I have no commentary at all in the Bible that I’m reading and um but my sense was the scoffield stuff which has had massive implications uh for our foreign policy for example and our domestic politics was was probably a lie you know it seems like a lie to me but I but I don’t really know because I don’t think I don’t think all of it was a lie I think this this particular subject um that that I do know that that translation or that that commentary on uh the Bible has had massive effects on our politics that have been very very negative and resulted in the deaths of a lot of people so I do know that for a fact but I don’t know much about the theology so would you mind expl I interrupted you you were going to get to that you’re not interrupting me this this a great it’s very powerful conversation I don’t I think we’re the only two humans on Earth having this conversation in front of everybody I feel like people are very open to things that while for myself I I had zero interest in having any kind of conversation about the Bible three years ago right um not against the Bible never been against the Bible I believe in God I believed in God three years ago but I I wasn’t that interested in talking about Revelation I mean I’m a I’m a wasp don’t you don’t talk about that stuff so um but I feel like it’s not just me I think that a lot of people are reaching the conclusion that the materialist Society we grew up in you know is insufficient to explain what we’re seeing Y and that we facing off against these forces we ascribed names to them like leftism or communism or there’s something it’s more than that those are that that doesn’t tell the whole story this is a theology that’s being pushed on us and so maybe it’s worth knowing more about it yeah I think people are watching what’s happening in our country and around the world and they’re becoming more and more fearful of it even to the point of dread a lot of people are just consumed about what is happening right and they want answers they want a truthful answer will somebody please tell me the truth and the truth about that is the only ultimate truth is not me and it’s not you and it’s not any politician or anybody on TV it’s what the book says now if you’re if you’re watching this and you go I I don’t believe in I’m an atheist and I whatever that doesn’t matter that’s fine but if you’re watching this you’re going to hear it anyway because it is the truth and the truth has a way of penetrating well I would also say this how I felt about myself like I had all kinds of opinions about God and religion and all that stuff but it’s kind of hard to have it’s I have lots of opinions about Anna kenina but I’ve read it I mean I get it’s just worth reading the document and it’s long it took me you know 15 months to read it or 14 months but it’s wor it’s like no one has read it just read it and then get back to me and let’s have a conversation about what what’s in there right that’s like the first step just read it maybe you’re an atheist maybe you’re Christopher Hitchens it doesn’t matter just read what’s in there by the way that’s the foundation of Western Civilization so just as a you know as a historical matter you should know what’s in there but nobody does agreed very few people do so why is it dangerous right now that Christians have this idea that they’re going to be out of here before any of the things that are prophesied about happen why is that dangerous it’s dangerous because when the mark of the beast shows up when the son of predition shows up who is who refer to as the Antichrist when those things happen and they’re still here they’ll say well that can’t be the mark of the beast that can’t be the Antichrist because I’m still here what danger does that put someone in that’s not the mark of the beast because I’m still here so go ahead sign me up think about the the level of danger with that and it has not existed in my opinion until recently since technology has gotten to the point to actually execute these things so if if you got a second can I can I read something for you unless you want to ask me something yeah so uh Lexi just come in with this yeah uh breaking news judge dismisses classified documents case against Donald Trump judge Eileen Canon has dismissed the classified documents case in a ruling Monday uh she said the appointment of the special Council jacksmith violated the Constitution that’s kind of um I mean I’m just hearing this because it just happened but uh it does it does seem like like all of a sudden and I’m sorry to interrupt but I just want to respond to that um it seems like everything has aligned in the period of like three days to make it very obvious Donald Trump’s going to be the next president there’s no doubt about it at this point very little doubt to the extent you can tell the future but what do you make of that uh well they tried to kill him yeah well well there’s that I mean and they missed or God turned his head and they missed and then Within like four minutes Elon Musk endorses him richest man in the world right biggest most important media Mogul in the world by far and you know Bill Amman lifelong Democrat it’s like all of a sudden it’s just everything changes in one moment well when God shows up uh that clearly it’s hard for even the biggest detractors to deny it they go what did I just watch you just watched God turn Donald Trump’s head literally a split second part of a second right before the bullet whiz by I mean if he’ have still been looking this way it catches him here he turns this way it catches him here we all just watched it I mean think about God making his presence known I mean on the biggest possible story you ever could and the whole world just saw that so now now you’ve got people going okay I believe it I believe it because how do you deny that no it’s exactly right and and further further Evidence I mean we’re I feel like we’re in the middle of History we’re in the Middle America is a movie and we have no idea how it ends but clearly right right and the timing of of Revelation coming out I could there’s no way to know all this stuff I mean that song comes out few days ago and then this happens and that happens and and and then now I looked on looked on X and spiritual warfare is trending and all these people are talking about that and I went okay I get it I mean that’s why it was written that that’s like the musical component that’s out floating around out there right now while all this is happening I mean talk there there’s no coincidence in in the world that can allow for that to happen do you believe there any coincidences no do you no I used to I’ve seen too much I’m 55 I don’t think God is coincidental I keep sidetracking you no you’re fine so I’m sorry I just wanted to she brought that in no that’s big deal that’s crazy that’s absolutely crazy so so a lot of a lot of Christians watching this right now are very upset with me why because I’m saying something that’s pushing back against something they have grown up believing I grew up believing it too so did my dad and for since 1830 people have believed this that you’re going to be out of here before any of the bad stuff happens it just doesn’t say that so if you can give me enough time to read oh my gosh please I’m I’m fascinated this is 2 Thessalonians 2 which doesn’t get preached very much this is Paul wrote this now Brethren concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to him meaning his second coming we ask you not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled either by Spirit or by word or by letter as is from us as though the day of Christ had come let no one deceive you by any means for that day the day he comes back will not come unless the falling away come comes first and the man of sin is revealed the son of predition who is who we refer to as the Antichrist who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped so that he sits as God in the temple or in the place of God showing himself that he is God Jesus hadn’t come back yet this is happening do you not remember when I was still with you I told you these things and now you know what is restraining that he may be revealed in his own time for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way meaning it’s being held back and then the Lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and Destroy with the brightness of his coming talking about the second coming the coming of the Lawless one is according to the work of Satan with all power signs and lying wonders and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved meaning it was rejected they were told the truth and they rejected it and for this reason God will send them a strong delusion that they should believe the lie that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure and unrighteousness let’s stop right there you’re telling me God is going to send a delusion on people he’s going to do that he’s going to be the one to make them go into chaos and not understand he says yes that is what he’s going to do because he’s given them chance after chance after chance and they refused to believe the truth and rather belied the LIE when the Antichrist shows up but we are bound to give thanks to God always for you Brethren beloved by the Lord because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the spirit and belief in the truth to which he called you by Our Gospel for the obtaining of Glory of our Lord Jesus Christ therefore Brethren Stand Fast and hold the Traditions which you were taught whether by word or by epistle meaning by letter now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and our God and Father who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and Good Hope by Grace Comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work so that’s 2 Thessalonians 2 he lays out before he comes back you’re going to see the Antichrist he’s going to show up he’s going to be running the place now that goes I’m telling you right now heads are exploding in in the church world and with a lot of Christians they’re going but you can get mad all you want to I’m reading it verbatim if you don’t if you got a problem with that go tell him you got a problem with it if you don’t want to believe it put some louder fluid on your Bible and throw it in the fireplace cuz what what’s the point it says what it says so I I’m personally in a weird position where I’ve never heard any of these conversations I didn’t grow up in a in a church like that at all I grew up in a fake church and um that makes total sense to me that there would be deception well there is deception everywhere but you’re saying that well it’s saying that this letter Paul’s letter the Thessalonians says and revelation says and maybe Daniel says too it’s all over the Bible that there will be a leader who people worship as God who is not God yeah let me I’ll read this this piece one more time let no one deceive you by any means for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed the son of predition which means lying this yeah the the son of predition is who they we would refer to as the Antichrist the word Antichrist doesn’t exist in the Bible either neither does Rapture that’s just when we read this throughout history really the word Antichrist is on in there h no or Rapture huh it’s how but it’s it’s the words we use to describe what they’re laying out so how dangerous is that if if Christians believe I’ll be gone before this ever happens so when they are still here and he does show up they’re going to be walking right into a buz saw so that I mean but it like raises the question that I wrestle with every day in every context which is how do you know what’s true how do you spot you know you’re being lied to how do you know how do you know what’s deception and what’s truth praying for discernment is very important that’s that’s my go-to but um can’t think of anything else but what are the what are the signs that you’re being lied to what are the signs that something is bad I mean Jesus says and it’s it’s it’s just true you don’t need to be a Christian to believe it that you judge a tree by its fruits I can call it an apple tree but if pears come out it’s not right exactly so how do we know which leaders are lying to us which are bad like what are the signs if if what they say and do runs counter to what God’s word says they are lying it’s as simple as that people complicate this whole process and go exactly the question you’re asking how do I know who’s telling the truth how do I know who’s not well look at what they’re standing for for fighting for how they’re talking and then go take that and go read what the book says about it what do God’s stance on it and if they’re opposed to that or out of line with that then they’re wrong and you’re Bas it against the ultimate truth that’s it I think that’s why we have the Bible I think that’s I think that’s right hum humans can’t figure this stuff out so this winter I’m standing in the kitchen with my dogs and my wife comes in she’s just come back from a long walk and she has this look on her face this look of tranquility and joy and peace and I said what have you been doing and she said I was praying and I said where she said on my walk for an hour and a half and it turns out she was listening to something I’d never heard of before which is an app called hallow hallo h a l l w Hall like hallowed and a friend of hers gave it to her and this set off a train reaction in my family where pretty much everyone in my family started to listen to hallow every day it’s a Prayer app and it’s the best way as you know to find peace and this makes it very easy to set aside the time to deeply pray every single day and I was so impressed by hallow that I tracked down the number the CEO and I called him and I said I want to advertise this on our podcast because it’s something that I really believe in and I think you do an amazing job and it’s basically non- denominational Christian you don’t have to be Catholic or Protestant you can be uh any kind of Christian but hallow will help you focus your prayer in a way um that’ll be very obvious to your husband when you walk into the kitchen I can promise you that um it’s an amazing amazing resource they’ve got like 10,000 audio guided prayers meditations Bible studies famously Mark wallberg leads one of them it’s just really really good you can download it for 3 months free at hall.com Tucker and uh I strongly recommend that you do that it it puts a lot of us including me who’s only read it once um at a disadvantage because we’re not that literate we’re not biblically literate it’s like I don’t know you know I didn’t you’ve already told me a bunch of things that I thought I would have picked up having read it and I missed them um so one marker that seems well I’ll ask you do you think this is a fair way to judge God creates order out of chaos right that’s beginning of Genesis and so Order and Chaos are really significant markers for whether something is from God or or not and if you get a lot of chaos like that’s probably not from God right probably not most of the time except in second Thessalonians it says he will send a great delusion on the people because they refused the truth and refused him for so long that he goes okay I’ve given you every shot I’m going to give you now here comes the cloud here comes the fog here comes I don’t know where I’m at and he’s going to let those people who rejected him over and over and over and rejected the truth he allows them as I call it walking into the buzs saw walking into the w shepper that’s a hard thing man for Christians to come to grips with that he said that that he would do that that’s what it says so that means good people are going to fall for lies it means that it it means that first of all there’s I don’t believe there’s such a thing as a good person and and it says uh all of our trying I agree with all of our righteousness is this filthy rags in the sight of God is what it says I mean the only good thing about a Christian is that God’s in them that Jesus is in him that’s it short of him being in there you’re just nasty filthy you know so but I think to your point yeah people who are not inherently Wicked people but have refused to to believe what he’s told them for all this time and reject it reject it reject it it says he’ll send a great delusion anybody that wants to go read it I hope they pick their Bible up after this interview and go look it up but people who think of themselves as sincerely godly people who are trying to be Christian call themselves that right um they’ll fall for for the lie too it says many will it says many will so it sounds like you got to be just on your game you got to be aware you got to be connected yeah tightly that some of the things you think are good or not good right exactly right I mean you go back to like you said 1830 and John Derby and c scoffield and I wasn’t there I don’t know why they did what they did but that that Doctrine was very popular still it’s still the main Doctrine today oh I know the Speaker of the House believes it of Christian Church most I’d say 99% of Christians believe it I mean I’ve been I’ve been anxious about this interview because I knew what I’m going to say is going to Rattle people in in a major way but this is not my opinion Tucker It’s funny I’m just laughing because I’m I’m from a world where I don’t think I don’t think I know anyone who’s heard of scoffield I’m only learning of this recently there are many different cultures in America we’re just from very different ones so it’s funny but is that true so even now people believe that 100% most well maybe that’s a a good example of the principle that you’re describing or the fact that you’re describing yeah that Christians who are you know trying their best are still going to fall for things that are lies because because they have they have yes because not just them and this is not the preacher’s fault this is not the Christians fault they’re not at fault for this this has been around since way way way before any of us were ever thought about it’s become accepted doctrine that that the the footnotes and the that scoffield adopted from Darby is biblically accurate and the only way those can be biblically accurate is you’re going to have to erase several of the things that were said and they’re like the one I just read in 2 Thessalonians 2 you’d have to rip those pages out for that to make sense because it literally lays out step by step this you’re going to see this and then I’m going to show up the greatest one ever is Matthew 24 and that that does get preached a lot but they preach it backwards and I don’t know how much I don’t know how much scripture you’ll let me read on show I’m really interested by the way anyone who’s not interested in this stuff will have fallen Away by now so but I think again at least in the weird world that I’m from more people are interested in this than have ever been I think so I I think it does talk about a great Revival happening at some point you know that’s when I go back to a near-death experience will get your attention faster than anything it happened to me I know yeah I’ve had a couple myself yep all right Matthew 24 you ready yeah now this is Jesus talking to the disciples and they’re they’re hanging out in a park basically in a nice little spot that they were hanging out Matthew 24 start with verse three now as he sat on the Mount of Olives talking about Jesus the disciples came to him privately saying tell us when will these things be and what will be the sign of your coming and the End of the Age asking him and Jesus answered and said to them take heed that no one deceives you for many come in my name saying I am the Christ and will deceive many and you will hear of wars and rumors of wars see that you are not troubled for all these things must come to pass but the end is not yet for nation will rise against nation and Kingdom against Kingdom and there will be famines pestilences and earthquakes in various places all these are the beginning of Sorrows then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you and you will be hated by All Nations for my name’s sake now that’s an important part right there because a lot of people have taught over the years that because he was talking to the 12 disciples that he was specifically only referring to them and their country and their their Heritage but when it says for bearing my name for my name’s sake that means Chinese Christians North Korean Christians Eskimo Christians South American Christians American Christians anybody in this this period of time that bearss the name of Jesus Christ will be hunted it says killed hunted hated by all the nations around the earth that’s an important distinction and then many will be offended that sounds familiar will betray one another and will hate one another then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many and because lawlessness will abound the love of many will grow cold but he who endures to the end shall be saved and this Gospel of the Kingdom be preached in all the world as a witness to All Nations and then the end will come now here here we go here therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the Prophet the abomination of desolation Tucker is when the Antichrist steps into that role that we talked about in 2 Thessalonians when you see him standing in the Holy place then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains let he who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of the house and let him who is in the field not go back to even get his clothes and woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days and pray that your flight may not be in Winter or on the Sabbath for then will be the Great Tribulation such has not been seen since the beginning of the world unto this time no nor ever shall be Jesus still hadn’t come back yet remember this is the disciples asking him what’s it going to what’s going to happen before you come back all these things are happening and unless those days be shortened no flesh would be saved but for the elect’s sake meaning his people those days will be shorten then if anyone says to you look here’s the Christ or there do not believe it for false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive meaning they’ll perform miracles in front of you if possible they could even deceive the elect see that I have told you beforehand therefore if they say to you look he’s in the desert do not go there or look he’s in the inner rooms do not believe it for as the lightning comes from the East and flashes to the West so also will be the coming of the son of man for wherever the carcass is there the Eagles will be gathered together now we’re in verse 29 immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light the Stars will fall from Heaven and the powers of Heavens will be shaken then verse 30 then the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the Clouds Of Heaven with power and great glory and then he will send his angels with a great cloud and a trumpet and they will gather together his elect from the Four Winds from one end of Heaven to the other Matthew 24 when the disciples asked him what’s going to be happening before you come back boss all right sit down I’m going to tell you and he goes play by play and then this and then that and then this and this and this and after this happens then you’ll see me coming so it is such a dangerous mindset for really saved people and Christians to think that they’re going to be pulled out of here before any of this happens why is that dangerous because when those things happen you’re going to think it’s not the real deal you’re going to think well I’m still here so that can’t be it it must be something else and the decisions you make under that false pretense could could be cat would be catastrophic to you it says anybody that takes the mark of the beast that their name is not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life meaning the names that are written down the ones that are that are going to heaven your name is not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life if you take that I mean this is no joke how do you not take it how do you not take the mark yeah you have to be willing to die suffer uh I think about there’s there’s Christians right now all over the world being killed by the hundreds of thousands we just don’t talk about it they’re killing them in China they’re killing them in North Korea they’re killing them in Africa they’re killing them in the Middle East why are we above those people you think you think America gets to dodge this at some point absolutely not it is a it’s a perilous thing to Bear the name of Jesus Christ in this world one of the reasons I wound up believing that this was true is because as you read this and you read Jesus is pitch to his followers his disciples right it’s kind of the opposite where you’re in the entertainment business you know it’s the opposite of any other advertising campaign that you would Mount like use this laundry detergent it makes your clothes cleaner right you know what I mean right eat this food it’s delicious right Jesus is like follow me and you’re going to get hated by everybody including your own family and then killed and people are going to celebrate your death and that message became the world’s biggest religion created western civilization and you’re like well wait a second that’s really that’s the pitch how did you get anyone to sign up for that well when yeah when Christianity launched everybody knew that’s what it was and they they just not that long ago Jesus was CR why would anybody sign up for that I mean I I if a preacher and many do comes out and says if you believe this you’re going to get rich get a hot wife get a huge house you you know good things will happen to you I get it I mean who wouldn’t want that but if someone like Jesus says you’re going to get to you get to be tortured to death if you follow this like why would anyone follow that because they know that he’s the son of God okay that they that but that’s what I’m saying that’s like the greatest testimony in my view this is the conclusion I came to after reading I was like how could well it must be true because who who who would follow that no I don’t think cerebrally you would ever take you bite that hook of course not you would ever bite that hook I mean now you follow me and get tortured to death no I don’t think you swim past that hook but when he gets a hold of you in a real way there’s no denying what that is and that’s when people are converted that’s when they when they feel that and they really give their life to Jesus Christ and he comes in it’s Wham I mean it’s there I mean there is no escaping what that is it is real as a heart attack so how should we feel about so what you’re saying and I think a lot of people will nod their heads like you you feel like something first of all that this is this moment is real we’re not making this up in our minds mhm and you know there’s suffering ahead how should we feel about that well it it said he gives a lot of tough Commandments he says rejoice when you’re persecuted for bearing my name if they if they persecuted me what do you think they’re going to do to you I mean yeah exactly it’s not it’s not really your best Tony Robbins pitch as to why you should sign up for this program but the benefit is it’s it’s your eternity that you’re talking about out here you know if you live to be 200 years old it’s like that in the history of time it’s nothing I mean like that if you touch your hand I had this thought a while back when uh somebody says I broke my arm my arm is broken and I go and it hit me funny out of nowhere I went my arm like who which part of you is claiming ownership of that arm does does anything own itself that’s this is my table that is my dog that is my car that is my business I’m somebody’s employee they say that’s my employee something is is is is claimed by by something else throughout the world so you go my arm my arm is broken what is that that’s the spirit that’s you that’s the real you that has to live in this piece of junk for however long it lives there you’re actually hearing your spirit talk when you say that this is my arm my face my head my talent my my my all this stuff and so people understand they have to understand that God created you to live forever somewhere one place or the other he sticks you down in these weak little banged up bodies that he gives us the weakest thing ever and then turns the devil loose and then he gives us free will to decide which way do we want to go that’s why he became a man so he could empathize with man so he could understand the plight of man what man has to deal with every single day from temptation to torture to love and and everything else Jesus experienced all of that stuff so I think to your point of why would anybody ever do that it’s because it’s not this you’re trying to save it it’s the actual Eternal you that is that is being saved that gets to go live in eternity in heaven with him instead of on the other side and it’s why the other side fight so hard too they’re not trying to take their bodies they’re trying to take their souls I also think there’s there’s something about hearing something true even if it’s unexpected you’ve never heard it before you never thought of it before it seems bizarre if it is true if it’s actually true it resonates like a tuning fork it hums it feels different a true word feels different from a false word yeah and there’s something about these words that has struck people for thousands of years in ways that could never explain it’s like oh that’s true I know that that’s true I was made to know that that was true yeah because it’s in you it’s in you what kind of preacher is your dad he is non-denominational uh he my dad generally Focus his his ministry in prisons Street Ministry my dad when I was growing up he did uh I think it was 34 Marty GRS in a row with a guitar hanging around his neck standing in the French Quarter as all the parades are going by and he’s standing down there singing gospel music and preaching through a little speaker that he had standing next to him and these parades would come by and spit on my dad from the top of his head all the way down to his boots over and over and over and I asked him one time I said why did years in 34 yeah I said why did you just why did you keep standing there with people hundreds of people just spitting on you and he said because about one out of a hundred of them would stop and ask me what I was talking about so you wipe spit off your face and you tell them what it is you’re here to talk about and I I have seen him do this where some I mean crazy looking guy you know totally out there start locking in with my dad and before it’s over guy’s down on his knees balling his head off getting right with God uh there’s been stories of of men who were who had murdered multiple people and gotten away with it and on A Street Ministry like that went and turned thems into the police and spent the rest of her life in prison that’s my dad that’s where he went did he get pretty rich doing it oh yeah he’s loaded yeah there’s a lot of money in street preaching you know you ask him because he is extremely charismatic very I mean his communication is just I hope you get to hear him someday it is unbelievable he could have probably pastored the biggest churches in America and been a very wealthy man doing it you ask him why didn’t you do that he said because the people that need to hear what I have to say are never going to walk into one of those Church buildings they’re locked behind bars they’re out on the street at Marty Gro they’re wherever they are they’re never going to run into it unless I go to where they are so he has always gone to where they are required to preach at marra on the street through a speaker is a inspiring to me and bravery and conviction that’s a scary moment but you’re lowering yourself when you do that you’re on the street in the French Quarter and I bet people did SP you’re holding up a candle in a hurricane yeah no one’s impressed I mean most people are not impressed they think you’re a fool you’re crazy sure you know there’s kind of very limited affirmation from people no one’s like you know it’s really cool you did that they’re like shut up weirdo get out of here except when you’ve when you’ve done that to hundreds of thousands of people the success rate may be 1% that’s still thousands of people it’s just an amazing thing to do what think of that when you were a kid oh I mean it’s probably no doubt it’s why I am like I am in a lot of ways that when you grow up watching a dad who has that level of conviction and it’s not that not that there’s no fear involved or like oh wow this is going to be no you’re still going to feel that but but you go do it anyway I mean trust me the conversation we just had about all this stuff I’ve been thinking about it for weeks before I came here going there’s a lot of people are not going to like what I’m about to say what I’m about to read to them and push back against what they’ve been taught their entire lives they’re not going to like that but when a song like Revelation comes along when that’s pounded into you and and you’re like what do you want me to do with it and he goes all the way this interview is part of going all the way with that you just go do it what were you proud of your dad when you were a kid oh my hero 100% I mean what kind of what kind of person can do that I mean we see preachers on TV with 20,000 people in the audience and buy my book buy my book put your money in the offering plate I’m going to get on a G6 and go fly over here on a mission trip right and they give these lukewarm messages that keep all all the all the Christians just feeling nice and comfortable all the time and they never go into the stuff that we’re actually talking about which by the way Tucker is what is going to happen in this country and in this world at some point and like I said early on everything that needs to be in place for these things to happen exists now for preachers not to be preaching the truth about what’s going on right now is such a disservice to their congregations it’s it’s criminal truly and you and you feel it too oh you can feel it all day long the stakes are so high right now it’s like I said back in 1830 if you want to tell people Nothing bad’s going to happen before you’re raptured out of here okay well the Rapture wasn’t possible at that point because a lot of the a lot of the prophecies hadn’t come true everything we just talked about in Matthew 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2 but but now I would argue we’re on the doorstep of it seems pretty obvious that we are it feels like it is and and I think that’s that’s why you see things like spiritual warfare trending on X really I mean and and it’s also why you see the other side coming with everything they got it’s why you see these songs about Lucifer Antichrist evil and all this other horrible stuff being pushed out they’re they’re throwing everything they got at it right now and uh we got to stand up and go well I’m not strong enough to push you back but my dad is you don’t want to me my daddy can beat up your daddy it’s that it’s that old phrase my daddy can beat up your daddy and that’s the absolute truth how how should Christians respond dayto day Christians better get as close as they possibly can because I think we all feel big things coming we don’t know what they are how bad they’ll be or exactly when but everybody feels it in the air I’m sure you feel it in the air there’s just this thing you wake up you can feel it and the only real truth out there is on the pages of the book everybody’s got one in their house there’s one in every hotel room there you can go online and look up anything you want to look up and read it anytime you want to that the word of God has never been more accessible to humanity than it is at this exact second so I suggest you don’t take the preacher’s word for it don’t take my word for it or anybody else’s you sit down and you read it for yourself and then put it into action what I mean what’s your life like now I know you’re not you’re not here to talk about yourself but you just had better than it’s ever been I can tell but you’ve had this kind of amazing journey your whole life in this business um but it’s got um some level it’s a very very secular business obviously of course I was part of it oh yeah so like what do people you’ve known for all these years in the entertainment business think of you now um lot a lot of them I don’t talk to a lot anymore but the ones I still do are 10 times stronger than they’ve ever been because they know what the truth is too you know I was the definition of what you’d call prodical son growing up with a dad like that and then at 18 19 years old I take off instead of going to college I go out start playing honky talks a over the United States can you imagine what my dad must have felt like that his underage son is playing in bars all all across the United States and then you come with you know these rocking hard party songs and all this stuff and the songs are one thing but the lifestyle is something totally different when you go out actually you live like the songs you’re singing and doing those things I can only imagine how bad that must have tore him up for a long time and at some point I remember um is I got I got saved when I was a kid with my dad but at one point my life I had the feeling that I had I had I had back pushed back against what he wanted me to do for so long that he he stood up and walked out of the room meaning God walked out of the room left me sitting there like abandoned is what the feeling felt like and that was the most desolate feeling I’ve ever had and if you go read in Psalms King David talked about that a lot because King David had a King David had a a a woman’s husband killed yah had him killed and then took her and married her I mean that’s pretty bad yeah it’s about as bad as bad and then he got punished like you can’t believe horrible things happened to David after that including God left him sitting there all by himself for a long time and I think that’s that’s the way he gets our attention is you you push back long enough he will get your attention if you’re lucky he’ll let you survive it and we we just saw somebody survive something and I think our country is going to survive it but I think it’s going to be quite a thing when it happens [Music] soon feels like it John rich thank you thank you for letting me talk about this bro appreciate it I loved it keep up to good work thank [Music] you so it turns out that YouTube is suppressing our show I know shocking that in an election year with everything 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