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Dennis Quaid is one of the most famous actors in the world he’s been in about 150 movies spanning almost 50 years and he is at the same time a really interesting and engaged person with a lot to say who thinks a lot and thinks freely he’s also an accomplished musician but he has a project coming up that you probably ought to know about we thought it was definitely worth telling you about and so we’re grateful that Dennis Quid is joining us on set right now thank you for joining us thank you Tucker we’re so glad to be here so I mean I could ask you a million questions but I want to get I want to get right to the project that’s coming up right now about our power grid that you did can you just give us a quick overview what this is and why did you do it it’s called grid down power up and uh it’s about an issue which concerned me really for quite some time I uh they did a uh segment on 60 Minutes about this but basically uh there is a 100% probability that our son generating what they call a GMD and which is a solar storm that uh hits our hits our Earth and uh the magnetic field that we have around the earth and can fry everything that is electric above the ground including our entire grid and and this would happen organically naturally that’s just what the sun does it has happened there was a they call it a Carrington event uh which happened in I think it was 1859 and at that time basically we had Telegraph lines that as far as electricity goes and it fried our entire Telegraph system that was set up had to be replaced and uh the entire thing the entire thing and so imagine what that would do now with a very large storm uh which there’s 100% chance of it happening and that was a hundred-year event they call that one and uh I’m not going to IM but trillions of dollars that it would take to to replace all that plus there wouldn’t we wouldn’t even get to spend that those trillions of dollars because the uh it would take out not only the electricity but you know all of our our entire infrastructure and our society runs our electricity we don’t we don’t know how to live without it you know you turn on there wouldn’t be any water in your TAP there wouldn’t you couldn’t get gas for your car because the the whole system is broken down everything that we rely upon would be gone uh the food would melt in our refrigerators there would be uh and they predict within a year about 90% of the population would be dead from starvation disease or you know people it gets back to the Stone Age Again killing each other yeah well that’s shocking bit of information it really lifts your day doesn’t it I mean I just sort I’m adding that to the Armageddon file that’s growing nobody’s nobody’s really talking about it and and uh in fact uh president Trump actually uh signed an executive order to uh to uh Harden our grid to protect ourselves against an event like this happening Obama uh tried to get that going as well and it uh it’s stuck in these Regulatory Agencies that you know and lobbyists because money needs to be spent most of our uh grid power companies are privately owned and you can understand them not wanting to spend money on something that might occur but this is definitely going to occur and so it would mean and this is not from a foreign adversary this is just a solar cycle or or well we’ll get to that in a minute okay but this is but we’re starting with just what nature might yeah this is not what you call an enemy this is you know our uh the Sun that we rely upon every day and these solar storms that happen and they they happen with you know frequency and you’ve seen everybody’s seen you know pictures of the sun where you know the storm is happening these flares come out and they’re ejected out into the into the solar system and we just you know like in packets and we uh I think it was 2014 we barely missed one by uh 5 days that went across our path of orbit around the Sun and it’s going to happen and then you know once it hits the Earth there’s a 50% probability of it either being us or the Eastern Hemisphere who’s ever exposed to that’s the Sun so so is there anything that you can do I mean could you harden our electrical yes there there are simple things that we could actually do uh to uh that could be built in that would you know not only for the military which we’ll get to but uh just civilian uh infrastructure to protect it that uh relatively inexpensive compared to what it would cost if uh an event like this happened and overall over time it’ probably be about a hundred billion dollar about the same that we just gave to Ukraine so you know to protect them from the Russians uh and uh it’ be money spent plus also uh the you know the process of doing this we you know it’s like a space program you find out all kinds of other things that actually uh help society and Advance us in our technology ology but the they’re basically relays uh protective relays that could be put at our our substations and Transformers that an event like this happens uh kind of similar to kind of a surge protector that you have in your computer that sense that you know there’s a surge like that and cut it cut it off to protect it frying are Transformers would pardon my total ignorance on this topic I’m embarrassed um but would such a solar storm hurt people or just electrical components no it doesn’t hurt people uh in fact it uh it’s it’s only like the you know transistors uh and you know anything electrical and you can melt it these Transformers that we have uh I think there’s a there’s you remember the the blackout that happened in New York not too long ago uh that it you know it took it was trees that were hanging over a a power line just like that which caused the you know surge of power and upset the balance and it all relies on these Transformers that uh get overheated and they they if you need to replace one you don’t just replace one they weigh about 500,000 lbs to begin with to get them it takes if you want another one it takes two years to get one we just don’t have them sitting around uh uh just ready to replace either they’re it’s really difficult it takes time and if you had a situation where your your supply chains cut off and you know we get some of them from China by by the way and uh it’s It’s just tough to do if I can just ask you a dumb question so this an event like this happened in 1859 and it took out our entire Telegraph system so this has been known for quite some yeah quite some time yeah um and yet we built a system that’s vulnerable to it how did that happen well the storms the storms come in varying intensities that carrying tang in event uh I must have been you know upwards of like 85 with 85 volts per meter I think that’s what the the figure is the way they measure it uh and our system is built to take on like eight volts uh per uh kilometer I mean eight kilometers and uh it it won’t handle it that’s what Obama wanted that’s what OB Obama did when he uh by executive order wanted to harden our our system uh what did it brought up to to that and the regulatory people nerk and FK took it and said had wound up just protecting our our uh infrastructure to eight volts and so it’s like 10 times less there was because of these other storms that came through you know one I think was like 12 another one was this or that and so they it wasn’t a worst uh worst case scenario in other words that they prepared for and that’s what you need to prepare for of course of course you’re describing what we used to call when we believed in God acts of God yeah probably are acts of God but whatever um but things that no human can control right but there’s a whole maure exactly so there’s a whole another category though of attacks from adversaries or terrorist what that’s the other thing another uh another scary thing I think you know the world as far as the danger in the world today is much greater than when I was growing up I grew up at at the height of the Cold War where you know we had Duck and Cover yeah I lived in Houston which was within that Circle during the Cuban missal crisis of getting hit and probably would have been hit and uh you by the bomb and it’s scarier today than it was then at least we had mutual uh uh Mutual Annihilation and we had deterrence you know based on that that we wouldn’t pull the trigger because the other you your adversary was going to destroy you too and today you know that that club has grown to where it’s not only Russia the United States it’s North Korea yeah Pakistan that everybody knows Pakistan India Iran Y which uh you they they believe they already they already have the nuke they just don’t have the delivery system for it that could reach the United States and uh you know you believe Iran has a nuclear weapon I think they do yeah you know the Russians have been helping them out and uh if they don’t have one they’re going to have one within six months to a year and it’s really uh the we’ve been approaching it well they don’t have the delivery system they don’t have the you know the icbms that can deliver that all the way to the United States they definitely could could hit Israel though who who they’re committed to destroying and um you know and but they also have their Terror organizations and it’s gotten to the point now where it’s getting so condensed you know these suitcase dirty bombs whatever they are you could definitely rig one of those up and hook it to a a scud missile put it on a cargo ship just off the United States uh Coast send it up to a certain altitude explode it and uh how that would what they call a super EMP which is electromagnetic pulse which is the same thing as a Geo thermal event you know with the sun it’s h if you send up a missile a nuclear uh with a nuclear uh bomb on it it exploded at 400 kilometers above the Earth in space basically you won’t you won’t see it you won’t see the explosion because it’s in a vacuum of space you you won’t hear it no people will be killed but the gamma rays which are thrown out from that would Encompass most of the United States and take out this very same grid and with then which could cause a power outage all across the United States up to months even a year and we’d have the same scenario that we described I you hate even to game it out but like if that happened if huge parts of the United States had no power for a year I mean that that I mean that’d be an Extinction event for a lot like yeah they done a study in 90% of of the population would be dead within a year you know in 18 during this caring event I mean one thing we didn’t rely on electricity you know and everybody had a cow if you wanted milk and you had a horse if you wanted to drive you your car wouldn’t work you what do you do your telephone doesn’t work there’s no way to inform the public about you know anything anything so you kind of messed up so I mean that in some ways seems far more effective than nuclear weapons MH not only that you’re you’re not you’re not killing people and so that makes the decision to use them a little you know it’s not you don’t have to you don’t have to wrestle with your your morals there’s no smoking hole at hoshima yeah exactly and just like because there are so many actors doing this and you know some they’re terrorist subgroups as well uh who do you retaliate against if it’s if it’s done from a cargo ship and you don’t even know where it came from so who was who was the perpetrator and who do you retaliate against and yes uh the the military has hardened uh most of of their infrastructure when it comes to to this but they get their electricity 90% of their electricity comes 99% of their electricity comes from civilian infrastructure so how long is that going to last and and uh so so do you think uh one magnified EMP attacks would take out a lot I mean what like most civilian power plants yeah just one what they call a super EMP and that that has to do with the uh the altitude where is exploded you know from the center of that covers a certain area whereas if you were lower down you would only be able to cover that much area because it spreads out in the circle so and uh just fries everything so why I mean I know there are a lot of things to worry about a lot of things are failing at once obviously but um this seems like you might want to move it toward the top of the list of things to yeah I would I would think so I really would think so but it’s uh and indeed the uh you know the Russians and the Chinese have have done so much more to harden and to protect their infrastructure than we have and so it gets down to that whole thing about survivability you know being able to survive an attack and uh to attack someone and then being able to survive the when they retaliate and uh they’ve got that going for them and it also makes somebody like you know Iran who it it’s a fraction of what they their military budget is and they know they can’t defeat the United States but I mean even a even a simple terror group you can get their hands on a scud missile and a and a a nuclear device you can really do some damage and I don’t know why that our government has not been informing us more about this back during the Cold War when I was a kid I was you know in the fourth grade we we kids were informed about what could happen what to do if if something happened at least that and also uh let’s get something done I I I mean I don’t think the average person has any idea that this threat exists yeah no they don’t um the majority vast majority of the people don’t where is the climate Lobby on this I mean they’re very involved in trying to remake the grid and right you know change our source of energy and they’re energy experts um but is this something that they’re taking up no not to my knowledge no wind this this really definitely this has to well they would be affected too you know of course but it’s it’s you know it’s that’s all about the fuel that comes you know to the power agency or you whether it be coal or wind or whatever it is but if if you knock out the these relay stations it the power can’t go anywhere just fries everything so this does suggest I mean our country our country’s population is clustered in cities yeah those probably aren’t going to Fair as well no it’d be easier to live in the country of course and people who live in the country you would probably have better ideas better knowledge of how to survive after an event like this but uh it’s it’s a scary proposition I mean there needs to be education and and there needs to be something done about it and uh done about it pretty quick I mean these these protective relays that that could be installed in the Transformers starting with that I mean we have the technology we know how to do this it’s not something mysterious that we have to get involved in what we do need is something like a Manhattan project that we had back during World War II where you know the Germans we knew that the Germans were trying to develop a bomb and so we we we got there quicker and somebody to cut through all the bureau bureaucratic uh red tape and be vested with the authority to just to get this done we could do we could do it in a couple of years so you mentioned FK the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission yeah I mean that would be wouldn’t that be the agency that be thinking about this they are they yes you would think that but it that’s not the way it works you know Obama like sent this to Congress I mean to get it done and then it gets caught in furk and nerk because they’re controlled by uh the lobbies you the lobbies of the energy lobbies that it it’s about they’d have to spend money and um which they don’t necessarily want to do because you know it cost a lot yes it would cost a lot I think the government should should uh help in this and there’s so many of them too scattered across the United States you know they’re locally owned most of the energy companies uh there’s a Energy company in South Carolina that is uh really doing something about it and there there have been some cases where uh you know we’ve had energy companies that are uh making moves to protect the grid but that’s only one little part of the grid you know it’s when it comes down to it they they depend on the on the one next door to them and the one next door to them it would cure the AI problem pretty quick though right you’d have no AI with new electric yeah exactly but you wonder there’s all these I mean a huge part of the American economy is based on digital Commerce digital Innovation I mean this is being right Financial system is going to break down Transportation breaks down your water doesn’t work food delivery is gone uh your telephones don’t work you go back to basically we go back to that Caren event the world goes back to 1859 and we’re all in the dark and the lights are out so You’ you would think that all these other sectors of the economy would be lobbying because they all are dependent on electricity everybody’s dependent on electricity so if I’m Google or if I’m Microsoft running AI or whatever like I need I would be Ling especially you you’ve got to have that and um plus also the just the effects of of of the gamma rays you know upon these microchips that uh they’re melted actually you know who the the largest manufacturer of vacuum tubes is Russia vacuum tubes vacuum tubes Russia and China they they are still in the business of manufacturing vacuum tubes because they are far more resistance they are far more resistant to this these uh gamma rays are you serious yeah then the microchips do they do they make the old old analog technology is is you know would would uh work internet dial up you know making horse carriages too they probably should be they probably should be yeah so okay will you just blew my mind yeah want to go out and join the Cavalry I guess so what kind of reaction are you getting when you tell people this a mape kind of like you yeah yeah because nobody hears about it and it’s I it’s something we don’t like to think about but it’s yeah I think people think of it in terms of an asteroid which is on its way to destroy the Earth you know that seems like a very remote in fact is very remote OTE uh and um but this is you know whether from the Sun or a bad actor this is something that 100% chance it’s going to happen and we are just no nowhere no way prepared for it it’s absolutely terrifying um so of all the projects you’ve done 150ish I mean this has got to rate among the most significant yeah uh David Ty uh he was he was a producer he produced soulsa for the movie was and uh he’s a patriot and uh really smart individual and uh he was he called me up because he he he created this uh movie grid down power up that’s the name of it and uh asked me if I wanted to be evolved and I’d seen that 60 Minutes episode you know about the geothermal event happening like that and it’s I just said yes because I remember it really frightened me when I saw it and I like everybody else had just gone on and forgotten it because you have we have so many threats that are right in front of us right yeah that uh you know this gets pushed to the background it seems like a pretty obvious one though yeah and it’s always it’s it’s always the one you you don’t see you know it’s that get you it’s it giv this feet of clay basically you know we may be the big bad great greatest nation on Earth United States with all our uh but in some ways all of this technology uh this highly industrial uh complex that that we’ve built is has feet of clay because of this little simple thing it’s kind of perfect though isn’t it yeah I mean it is Tower of Babel stuff like people build this yeah it’s the Trojan Horse you know yeah this massive thing and it’s horal looking back on all we talking off air about all the movies that you’ve done what are the ones that you remember most vividly well the right stuff is my favorite why period because it was uh when I grew up in Houston I want uh you know John Glenn went up I was in the second grade they rolled the TV and everybody that replaced wanting to be a cowboy everybody wanted to be an astronaut back then and uh so you know I grew up wanting to be and then Along Came the book uh and I read it like in two days and wanted to play Gordo Cooper because he was my favorite astronaut back then he was the youngest one he was like the rock and roll astrona yeah and then couldn’t believe it I got the part and then it turned out Gordo Cooper lived three miles from me in La no way so I called him up and we became good friends and he uh he turned me onto a flight school and I I learned to fly I got my pilot’s license from that and still flying fly Jets now in fact but it was like the ultimate Boyhood fantasy uh that role and it took nine months to do it and Chuck Jagger legendary Chuck Jagger was on the set every day so it was it was a great time it sounds unbelievable yeah so you said you were saying off camera that um when you started I think your first movie that you were in or around was 1975 it like how long did it take to make a movie then it was at least at least three months you know uh to make a movie back then because because of the cameras you know would you you shoot one side of a scene and then you got to what they call turn around you shoot the other person going the other way and seeing the background the other way and the lights and the cameras that we had of the time meant that it was a it was at least you know a 2 to four hour turnaround so you just sit in your trailer and wait for that to happen now all that happens like in 15 minutes and so movies just moves really quick but if you’re on if you’re taking you know months out of your life to go to a location far from your home and you’re in this like bias spere with all the other actors and I mean that’s like its own world right yeah that’s ex exactly and uh it you know it’s it’s real timec consuming that’s the reason I mean now you see actors you know doing maybe like three four movies a year because it doesn’t take that long it’s not that they’re so picky you must get to know the other people on set pretty well yeah you do yeah yeah becomes you you know it becomes your world you’re it’s a gypsy life basically being an actor and uh you still work a lot and uh but spend a lot more time at home now but I mean for decades you must have spent like no time at home yeah but that’s that’s your life huh you know what’s the most fun location it’s better than working for a living put it that way yeah yeah what are the coolest locations to shoot a movie oh it’s I’ve Been Everywhere I I did one in Falls Bard uh this was a a television streaming series fallsart is the as the northernmost airport in the world it it’s up there long yard and it is where Admiral Perry is last stop before the North Pole it’s above Greenland it’s 400 miles from the North Pole like the north the Northstar which if you you know here in our uh where we are in our latitudes you know it’s about like right there about 45 degrees there it was up here and we were inside the Arctic Circle which means you the the Northern Lights you you see a complete circle of it it was it was like being on another planet so the Earth is round you’re confirming the Earth is completely round okay so but you know that yeah yeah yes I confirm that they had a they had a great little hotel there it’s kind of a tour spot for people to come there were 1500 people there uh 3,000 polar bears they like to say and uh it uh it was that’s an interesting community actually because it was started by uh an American uh which is Goodyear Goodyear Tires yeah it was he that guy went over there because they had a lot of coal there on on that island and uh he he started coal mine and people from all over the world came came there because it was guaranteed work and that uh so was extremely diverse with within that and it still continues to be that today it’s it’s uh it’s it’s where a lot of people would come there to get like an uh an EU passport so he had like at the time that I was living there uh you there were like 800 people from Thailand there and you can only stay there like two years and you’re not allowed to die there really they’re you can’t be buried there they’re pretty strict about no such thing as yeah it’s supposedly kind of owned by Norway but it’s also uh the same place where we had our listenting post observation post during the Cold War if the icbms were coming over from Russia because they come over and then two miles from where we had ours the Russians had theirs and uh that little town is like a ghost town that’s another little tourist spot there it’s a fascinating place to go and no dying no dying allowed it’s a death free so you brought a guitar yeah tell us about your interest in music I’ve been playing guitar music was first for me really you know from the time I was 12 and you you can’t act alone in your room I guess you can I there’s no one to act with and acting is reacting for me but music is you know is a thing that your friend as a kid did that that was I was kind of like music acting music acting I I I didn’t know and uh it became acting but music has always been laced in there and I’ve always had a band and uh I knew I was never going to shred a guitar but I so I took up songwriting to go with that how hard is that songwriting it’s it’s not question being hard I think if you ask any songwriter it’s it’s like an Affliction it’s something that you either have or you don’t and you get an idea that’s a song or whatever and you it just it’s going to bother you until you finish it do do you have some working their way out of you right now yeah at this moment can you play one has nothing to do with the emps no good I need a rest that was I play a song I tell you what I’ll play you a song that I think probably applies to you Tucker all right as well I wrote this because of uh Chris cherson Who’s Who uh he and Kenya Tucker and Randy carot did a song of mine that’s going to be out did you know Chris Christopherson oh yeah he’s a great guy fantastic but his wife said that nobody calls Chris because they think he’s such a legend he wouldn’t take the call you know so but does he want people to call he wants people to call so now in my act when I get up to playing this song I call his wife Lisa and and we we all leave a message where the entire audience says hello Chris it’s good but I I found that myself dude it’s about me as well but because when you get to after a certain age after 60 people start giving you undue respect for for for things you I look forward to that by calling you yeah by calling you Legend right Legend So I wrote this song for [Music] that please don’t call me Legend my humble life’s not through it’s got a beginning a middle but there still ain’t no end to what I might yet do I might just climb all the Himalayas plant a flag on a planet or two but if you call me Legend again please wait until I’m in my tomb oh and please don’t treat me special it makes me feel alone how can I be the simple person I’ve always been if you put me up on some Throne I’m quite capable of making my own mistakes and I’m not afraid of failure so if you call me Legend again I might just have to see you later one more verse please don’t call me Legend it makes me feel like I already died that’s just a whatat a third hand story about some has been and it’s probably a li so I’ll just keep on keeping on trucking year after year and if you call me a legend again I might just have have to box your ears you know I will I might just have to see you later byebye I might just have to see you [Music] later excellent that was awesome you’re welcome Tucker I love that I love that kind of music what is how would you describe that that Americana whatever old summertime that one that’s amazing when did you write that uh about two years ago yeah in Rage that was there a threat of violence song I’m just say that was after uh uh meeting uh Chris that episode got to spark that idea who are your favorite musicians uh well he was definitely one of them uh currently I’m going through the Frank Sinatra song book really yeah cuz there was nobody could nobody could sing like Frank I mean just as a musician you know the voice is an instrument and his phrasing and incredible you know Jerry Lee Lewis was like yeah he was one he was one of my piano teachers when I did the Great Balls of Fire you knew him yeah he was by the whole time we’re doing the movie he’s right over my back going you get it wrong son so he was really quite uh an amazing human being in all kind of way that was an animal yeah what was John Prim like John PR yeah he was just a sweetheart of a person you know really extremely talented and such a like a pure musician yeah you know it wasn’t about the fame and fortune for him as much as it was about the music and as a songwriter I mean nobody could turn a phrase like kind of by himself in that category but what but he never really became a household name yeah but a lot of people know him and it’s you and his music will go on I mean you take somebody like Chris kristopherson you know that I think that’s really kind of the measure I you know I take a song like Bobby McGee yeah they’ll be singing 500 years from now 100% you know but no one will they everyone thinks Janice dropin wrote it yeah but it’s okay she didn’t yeah I particularly like songs that sound like they were written by Anonymous you know a lot of those those uh uh American songs that like written on the frontier that just traditional on it exactly did you ever know Willie Nelson yeah yeah I’ve played with Willie Nelson in fact uh on stage a couple of times what’s he like he’s very generous man and I mean gosh what his contribution to to music and he’s still doing it man he’s still doing it just as great as ever yeah yeah he’s like 90 years old yeah UN in the end looking back on your life are you more excited about making movies or playing music living life yeah that’s that’s what it is for me now you know like I’ve been really I my autobiography is going to be called my lucky life because I’ve I’ve really got a chance to do so many kinds of things that I I never would have thought uh could have done and at this point you know my movie career which has been uh so fantastic uh see and so fulfilling really I I enjoy it so much more now making movies because I’m not trying to get anywhere I’m not trying to attain something I’m just doing the things that really interest me and you know that keeps the joy in in life of course you know do you think that you know in 30 years Hollywood will still be a creative Force I don’t know I really don’t know it seems to be spreading out yeah you know we’re trying to get a Hollywood started in Texas actually we’re trying to bring film making uh uh there as as an industry not just as a destination for Hollywood you know and uh I mean the way it is now not so many movies are are are made in California anymore anyway and a lot of the ones that I uh see in the previews they all look like the same movie yeah you know a few really sneak by there every once in a while occasionally yeah so I I just I gotta ask gota end it with the question I ask everybody but I’m just interested like where do you see the country in a year in a year yeah well I’m really I’m really tense about next year yeah the election year it seems that you know more than any other time it’s everybody’s got to like pick a side died yeah and uh it’s it’s both Democrats and the Republicans I’m an independent by the way and always have been I vot I voted both ways you know uh according to what the pendulum I thought the country needed but both sides seem to think that uh our country is is going to be doomed it’s that uh democracy is going to be over if uh one or the other wins yes and so how do we get to that place where we can have that transition of power like we did not so long ago where these people could tolerate it without having to you know uh basically have a coup in one way or another a military go we really are I’m afraid of us becoming like a Banana Republic like that and we’re the United States of America we’re Americans yes and and um I do I do believe I mean things are a little bit more they’re scarier than they word 68 I mean Kennedy Kennedy Bobby Kennedy was shot Martin Luther King was shot all the riots you know cities were burning uh dead but we knew who those we knew who the leaders were back then you know now it’s it’s just this kind of underground simmering rage uh on both sides and uh I you know setting aside who’s right who’s wrong or whatever I I just think we need to find ways to unite and America’s always found a way to unite uh I mean things back when they were making uh the forming the Constitution and you know it there was a guy there was who was it the the other senator in fact in in the chambers it was it got really bitter it’s it was always about to fall apart you know it’s fragile and Reagan is right you know uh our democracy is you know can be lost in a generation it only takes a generation to lose it you know and uh I think we need to educate our kids what a great country this is and that we’re in spite of our way we don’t agree that we agree to that we’re Americans and uh so God bless us and uh and uh uh you know that I just like to see cooler heads prevail do you feel that there are cooler heads out there yeah I think as individuals we’re we can be we have in general we have cooler heads you know it’s I guess it’s the mob that that whether it be on the right or the left or somewhere else you know that uh it it gets confusing you know very it gets really confusing I hope I see you in a year I think I will Tucker I think so too either here or in Maine here or in main it’s great to see you thank you on that note amen thank you very much for having me 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