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so you’re saying that an international Health Organization could just end the first amendment in the United States yes and in fact um as much as this sounds I know that it sounds Preposterous but it does not sound Preposterous the ability to do it is currently under discussion at the international level and it’s almost impossible to exaggerate how troubling what is being discussed is in fact I think it is fair to say that we are in the middle of a coup that we are actually facing the elimination of our national and our personal sovereignty and that that is the purpose of what is being constructed that it has been um written in such a way that you are your eyes are supposed to glaze over right as you attack attempt to sort out what is it uh what is under discussion and if you do that then come May of this year your nation is almost certain to sign onto an agreement that in some utterly vaguely described future circumstance a public health emergency which the director general of the World Health Organization has total Liberty to Define in any way that he sees fit in other words nothing prevents um climate change from being declared a public health emergency that would trigger the provisions of these modifications and in the case that some emergency or some uh pretense of an emergency shows up the provisions that would kick in are um Beyond jaw dropping so before you get into it and I I just want to thank you by the way for taking the time to go through this proposal because you’re absolutely right it’s it’s impenetrable it’s designed to be to cloak what they’re saying rather than illuminate um what’s it called well the funny thing is actually I was looking um this morning to find out what the current name is and the names have actually been shifted slightly clearly a feature oh it’s a shape shifting yeah agreement it is so what I would do in order and and I’m it’s unclear to me how much that’s just simp designed to confuse somebody who tries to sort it out and how much that’s designed to for example um game the search engine technology that might allow you to track the changes because to the extent that the name has shifted um so smart I call it the um World Health Organization pandemic preparedness plan right and what is under discussion uh are some modifications to the global public Health regulations and modifications to an existing treaty but all of this makes it sound minor and procedural what has been proposed are uh and again the number of things included here is incredible it’s hard even for those of us who have been focused on this to track all of the important things under discussion and to deduce the meaning of some of the more subtle Provisions but um they uh the World Health Organization and its signatory Nations will um be allowed to define a public health emergency uh on any basis that having declared one they will be entitled to mandate remedies the remedies that are named include um vaccines uh gene therapy technology is literally named in uh the set of things that the World Health Organization is going to reserve the right to mandate um that it will be in a position to um require these things of citizens that it will be in a position to uh dictate our ability to travel in other words passports that would be predicated on one having accepted uh these Technologies are um clearly being described it would have the ability to forbid the use of other medications so this looks like they’re preparing for a rerun where they can just simply take ircon hydroxy chloroquin off the table um they also have reserved the ability to dictate how these uh measures are discussed that censorship is described here as well the right to dictate that that of course misinformation is how they’re going to describe it well in fact I want to ask you to pause and play a sound bite from Tedros um in which he alludes to this and I want to get your assessment of it here it is we continue to see misinformation on social media and in mainstream media about the pandemic Accord that countries are now negotiating the claim that the Accord will seed power to wh is quite simply false it’s fake news countries will decide what the Accord says and countries alone and countries will implement the Accord in line with their own National laws no country will seed any sovereignity to wh if any politician business person or anyone at all is confused about what the pandemic Accord is and isn’t we would be more than happy to discuss it and explain it so he’s going to be more than happy to discuss and explain the misinformation that you’re yeah that is now spreading that is comforting um well on the one hand I must say I had not seen that and um it is tremendously good news actually what it means is that once again we have managed to raise awareness of something in time that there is uh conceivably a better outcome still available to us so they’re spooked enough to bother to lie about there there’s you couldn’t have said it uh more accurately yes th th those were clearly lies and of course uh his saying that into a camera is supposed to convince you you know nobody could possibly lie so directly so there must be some truth in what he’s saying which is of course nonsense and anybody who goes back through uh Matt Ora’s compendium of various things that people have said into cameras over the course of Co that they then swear they didn’t say you know months later um knows that these folks are very comfortable at saying totally false things into a camera doesn’t cause them to to think twice or sweat or anything um but it’s great that we have managed to raise enough awareness that Tedros is actually addressing uh our spreading of what it actually is is Mal information um you’re aware of this uh this yeah oh it’s beautiful so I was I was I’m so old that I was still stuck in the truth or falsehood binary yeah where What mattered whether it was true or not no no no the Mal information is actually exactly what you need to know about to see um how Antiquated that notion is because um this is actually the Department of Homeland Security actually issued a memo um in which it defined three kinds of I kid you not terrorism misis and malformation misinformation are errors uh disinformation are intentional errors lies and malformation are things that are based in truth but but cause you to distrust Authority so Mal information is what you commit when you catch them lying yes um exactly um yeah it is it is discussing the lies of your your government uh is malformation and therefore a kind of terrorism which I should point out as funny as that is and as obviously orwellian as that is it’s also terrifying because if you have tracked the history of the spreading tyranny from the beginning of the war on terror you know that terrorism is not a normal English word the way it once was terrorism is now a legal designation that causes all of your rights to evaporate so at the point that the Department of Homeland Security says that you are guilty of a kind of terrorism for saying true things that cause you to distrust your government they are also telling you something about what rights they have to silence you they are not normal rights so um these things are all uh terrifying and I do think as much as my jaws open the the covid pandemic caused us to become aware of a lot of structures that had been built around us something that um former NSA Officer William Binny once described as the turnkey totalitarian state the totalitarian state is erected around you but it’s not activated and then once it’s built the key gets turned and so we are now seeing I believe something that even outstrips William Binny’s description because it’s the turnkey totalitarian planet right World Health Organization is above the level of Nations and it is going to be in a position if uh these Provisions pass to dictate to Nations how they are to treat their own citizens to override their constitutions despite what tedris has just told you um so that is um frightening it’s not inherently about health what I think has happened is the fact of a possible pandemic causes a loophole in the mind it’s not a loophole in our governance documents our Constitution doesn’t describe know exemptions from your rights during time of a pandemic emergency your rights simply are what they are and they’re not supposed to go anywhere um just because there’s a disease spreading um but nonetheless um people’s willingness to accept the erosion of their rights because of a public Health Emergency um has allowed this tyranny to to use it as a trojan horse yes and I think that’s also um it’s something people need to become aware of that uh there are a number of features of our environment that are um basically they are blind spots that we can’t see past vaccine was one and I know I was an an enthusiast about vaccines I still believe deeply in the Elegance of vaccines as they should exist but I’m now very alarmed at how they are produced and I’m even more alarmed at what has been called a vaccine that doesn’t meet the definition right that because many of us believed that vaccines uh were an extremely elegant lwh harm High uh efficacy method of preventing disease when they called this mRNA tech technology vaccine many of us um gave it more credibility than we should have if they had called it a a gene transection technology we would have thought wait what public health functions the same way um if you think about it public health step back a second your relationship with your doctor your personal health uh ought to be very important to you but there are ways in which things that happen happen at a population level affect your personal health and your doctor’s not in a position to do anything about it right so somebody dumping pollution into a stream from which you’re pulling fish you know you might detect the harm at the population level you might need a regulation at a population level in order to protect you your doctor’s not in a position you a pill to correct it so the idea that public health is potentially a place to improve all of our well-being is real but once you decide that there’s something above doctors relative to your health then that can be an excuse for all manner of tyranny Public Health has been um adopted it’s like uh it’s like the sheep’s clothing that has allowed the wolf to go after our rights because in theory it’s trying to protect us from harms that we would like to be prot and it generates such fear it’s at such a huge scale that it it weakens people’s moral immune systems AB accept things they would never accept otherwise absolutely and uh as you know and as as I know when we raised questions about what was being uh being delivered to us under the guise of Public Health we were demonized as if we had a moral defect it wasn’t even a cognitive defect where we were failing to understand the wisdom of these vaccines it was a moral defect where we were failing to protect others who were vulnerable by questioning these things um so uh the idea that health is at stake in some vague larger sense that requires us to to override the natural relationship between doctors and patients is itself a coup against Medicine by something else we are living some crazy story in which things that are perfectly obvious are um still somehow have not lodged themselves in the official public record and you know I think that has a lot to do with frankly the death of Journalism yes a lot of us are doing jobs that we didn’t train for Heather and I are doing some journalistic job that we certainly didn’t train for we trained to think about biology and you know we do that in front of a camera and so that functions as a kind of standin for journalism but you know the handful of journalists who still exist um I think without exception are not scientifically trained right you know Matt taibe Glenn Greenwald you we don’t have very many people doing investigative journalism and the one who uh who are doing it they don’t have the skill set that would make this a natural topic to investigate so we have to boot up some kind of new institution that will allow us to do this job well and presumably that will involve taking the few investigative journalists uh who remember how to do that job and the few scientists and doctors who are willing to still do their job and you know put us together right podcast isn’t the right place to do it if that’s all we got that’s all we got but um there’s got to be a better a better method so if this is ratified or signed on to by the United States in May so six months from now um that sounds like that’s it we don’t know um I will say I have very little hope that the US will derail this I have the sense that whatever has Capt Ed our government um is driving this as well and so in in effect uh the US wants this change it will in fact you know in the same way that the five eyes Nations agree to mutually violate the rights of each other’s citizens because that was not prevented in any of our constitutions I think the US wants something to force it to violate our constitutional protections and the World Health Organization is going to be that entity that said uh I have recently been to the Czech Republic and I’ve been to Romania and I’ve heard from other parts of the former Eastern block that there is resistance that people who have faced tyranny in living memory um are much less ready to accept these changes and that they are actually beginning to to mount a response I worry that it will be too thin and easily defeated especially if they do not understand that actually the world is depending on them that the traditionally the countries we traditionally think of as part of the West are compromised and that these countries which have more recently joined or rejoined the West are the best hope we’ve got that they are in a position to derail um this set of provisions and that we are depending on them to do it so I I I just want to end for a few moments on your on the overview here so you have all these remarkable things converging in a single 12-month period you have War pestilence political unrest apparently unsolvable political unrest what do you think we’re looking at in the west like what is this moment and how does it end well um so I have long been interested in questions of good governance and the west and um I’m sad to report that I think the West has actually collapsed and what we are left with is now um a nebulous Echo the values of the West still function but they function um in a vague way and we have seen that they can EV operate quickly under the right circumstances um I suspect and I really don’t know I don’t think anybody knows um but I suspect that some powerful set of forces has decided that um consent of the governed is too dangerous to tolerate and that it has begun to unhook it and we do not know how this works we can see some of the partners who are involved in this but I don’t think we know ultimately who’s driving it or where they’re going I think many of the Notions that we picked up about uh Nations and who our friends are and who our enemies are are uh they are now more misleading than they are informative in other words uh I don’t think the US has an enemy called China I think there are elements within the us that are partnered within with elements within the Chinese Communist party for practical reasons and so our you know the the notion that these uh two parties are competing with each other just distracts us from what’s actually taking place but let’s just put it this way we have a large global population most people have no useful role through no fault of their own they have not been given a uh an opportunity in life to find a useful way to contribute and I wonder if um the rent seeking Elites that have hoarded so much power uh are not unhooking our rights because effectively they’re afraid of some Global French Revolution moment as people realize that they’ve been betrayed and uh left without good options is that what we’re seeing certainly feels like we’re facing um an end game where important uh properties that would once have been preserved by all parties because they might need them one day are now being dispensed with and we’re being um you know we’re watching our governmental structures and every one of our institutions captured hollowed out turned into a a paradoxical inversion of what it was designed to do that’s not an accident whether they you know the thing that worries me most actually is that whatever is driving this is not composed of diabolical Geniuses who at least have some plan for the future but it’s being driven by people who actually do not know what kind of hell they are inviting yes they’re going to create a kind of chaos from which uh Humanity May well not emerge and I get the sense that um unless they have some remarkable plan that is not obvious that they are just simply drunk with power and putting everyone including themselves in tremendous Jeopardy by taking apart the structur on which we depend how do you see my last question how do you see your I mean you’re you’re you’re speaking in in Grand terms that three years ago I I might have laughed at I’m not laughing at all and I think you’re absolutely right um but you’re also choosing as you know a 50ish man year old man to say this stuff out loud and to pursue the truth as you find it and then to talk about it like so how do you why did you decide to do that and how do you you think that ends well you know we are all the products of whatever developmental environment produced us and as I’ve said on multiple topics where um my family has found itself in very uncomfortable and sometimes dangerous circumstances um because we speak out I don’t think I had a choice I just I I literally cannot understand how I would sleep at how I would look at myself in the mirror if I didn’t say what needed to be said and you know um I Heard a a very good speech by Bobby Kennedy Jr he though neither of us are Libertarians he was at the uh Liberty conference in in Memphis and the last thing he said in that speech um struck me to my core it’s something I’ve thought often and said almost never but there are Fates far worse than death and I think for my part I have I have lived an incredible life I have I there’s plenty I still want to do and I am not eager to leave this planet any earlier than I have to I have a marvelous family I live in a wonderful place and I’ve got lots of things on hate ter bucket list but I got lots of things on my bucket list however humanity is depending on everybody who has a position from which to see what is taking place to Grapple with what it might mean to describe it so that the public understands where their interests are it is depending on us to do what needs to be done if we’re to have a chance of delivering a plan planet to our children and our grandchildren that is worthy of them if we’re going to deliver a system that allows them to live meaningful healthy lives we have to speak up and I don’t know I don’t know how to get people to do that I I’m very hesitant to urge others to put themselves or their families in danger and I know that everybody’s circumstances are different some people are struggling to Simply to feed a family keep a roof over their heads those people obviously have a great deal less Liberty uh with respect to to standing up and saying what means to be said but this is really it’s what we call in Game Theory a collective action problem if everybody responds to their personal well-being if everybody says that’s too dangerous to stand up um you know I’m not suicidal I’m I I can’t do it then not enough people stand up to change the course of history history whereas if people somehow put aside the obvious danger to their ability to earn and maybe to their lives of saying what needs to be said then we greatly outnumber those we are pitted against they are ferociously powerful but I would also point out this interesting error so I call the force that we’re up against Goliath just so I kind of remember what the battle is Goliath made a terrible mistake and it made it most egregiously during covid which is it took all of the competent people took all of the courageous people and it shoved them out of the institutions where they were hanging on and it created in so doing the dream team created every player you could possibly want on your team to fight some historic battle against a terrible Evil all of those people are now at least somewhat awake they’ve now been picked on by the same enemy and yeah all right we’re outgunned it has a tremendous amount of power but but we’ve got all of the people who know how to think so I hate to say it or maybe I like to say it but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk but I like our odds y people say the news is full of lies can’s motor 239 death of Jeffrey [Music] EP
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