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so okay Bobby Kennedy your longtime friend looks like he’s going to be the HHS secretary what assess did you think that was going to happen in your lifetime well not in my lifetime no Tucker we’re we’re in this historic moment yeah where you know America’s waking up to the fact that it’s been the Frog and boiling water slowly getting sicker and sicker and sicker bankrupting our country with almost $5 trillion dollar in healthcare cost $1 in5 of our economy 80% of it or more is preventable 99% of Medicare dollars are spent on preventable chronic disease and never this conversation has happened in the political discourse until now which is a little crazy because you hear people talk about Healthcare all the time I well they talk about Healthcare as a way of like limiting entitlement or Medicare for all exactly everybody’s upset about Healthcare on some level for some reason but I haven’t heard anybody until recently in the public sphere address like why it’s so expensive right so the question I know I’m a functional medicine doctor my my focus is on why what’s the cause what’s the root cause the cause the cause the [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] cause shouldn’t that be every doctor well I ideally yes but I you know sitting in my office years ago and I had a diabetic patient come in I realized you know I can’t cure diabetes in my office it’s cured on the farm in the food we grow it’s cured in the food manufacturing process it’s cured by what people buy in the grocery store it’s cured in the kitchen and so we really have to look at the root causes of our food system I said why are why are my patients eating this food well it’s because the food system well why do we have the food system we have and the and the way in which it’s operating that drives this chronic disease epidemic which now is the biggest killer on the planet and is caused by food food has outpaced smoking as the number one killer in the world kills 11 million people a year 11 million it’s the biggest kill in the United States why do that happen is because our our our policies are driven in large part by industry by the food industry the a industry chemical seed companies uh and those are the companies that are profiting this is the biggest food biggest industry in the world it’s over $16 trillion doar when you aggregate all the food companies the fast food companies the agricultural chemical and seed companies and and this is enormous Force that’s driving our political process and so a lot of the policies we have either by you know just kind of Mis Mis alignment of of our expectations and incentives of what happened or because of deliberate actions in the food companies have actually driven a food system that’s making us sick and and we have an illness industrial complex we have a system that’s driving disease and everybody’s profiting from it and no one’s addressed that before and this is why we have the system so we’re supporting commodity crops wheat corn and soy that get turned into Ultra processed food which is basically chemical science projects that our bodies are not used to they’re not technically defined as food food is something that helps you know nourish a a human being supports life and growth these things don’t they do the opposite they cause disease and so we we sort of slowly get in this system where we’re we’re we’re an enormous rise in chronic diseases over the last 50 years you know Tucker when I graduate Medical School the cost for healthcare in America was half a trillion dollars now it’s almost 10 times that in my lifetime when I graduated from medical school there was not a single state with an obesity rate over 15% now there’s not one with one under 30 and almost all are over 40 42% of Americans are obese we’ve seen a in all 50 states in all 50 states yeah we see I mean and you know what the the highest diabetes mortality rates are in red States 14 out of the 15 states with the highest diabetes mortality are red States so this is affecting everybody in America doesn’t matter whether you’re red or blue or purple biology is bipartisan you know heart disease cancer dementia diabetes they don’t know what who you voted for what radicalized me was so when I grew up I’m a little younger than you but you know roughly the same generation I there were no fat people I grew up none zero AF an area but still no fat zero fat people and I always thought that it was like a failure of will it was a kind of sin it was buty yes 100% And then I came just from my own experience to realize that if you just go about your life is the way Americans dud is what’s presented you right and you don’t make any effort to to fight it yeah if you just sort of all things being equal yeah you’re going to be like 70 lbs overweight G to that happened to me I was like wow I’m going to be super fat yeah and I if I don’t really struggle yeah all the time yeah that’s weird well it’s it’s we make the hard choices the the the healthy choices and the easy choices the unhealthy choices so that well that just it made me think that actually people who are obese are not the the perpetrators but the victims of the crime this is really important Tucker you just hit on something that is so critical which is that we have blamed the victim for this problem I have it’s your fault you’re fat you’re a glutton you’re lazy yes and it’s your fault so just stop eating that crap and get healthy and you’ll save America that’s okay so I kind of makes me feel better to hear that but it’s here I think that’s true it’s absolutely true the NIH did an incredible study where they took a group of people and they fed them for two weeks a Whole Foods diet matched for protein fat carbs fiber and they fed them an ultr processed diet and they saw what happened to their biology the ultr processed food which is what 60% of our diet is it’s 67% of kids died it’s 73% of the food on our grocery store shelves when you eat that food it disregulated your appetite you eat 500 calories more a day in a week that’s 3500 calories 3500 calories equals a pound of weight gain in a year that’s 52 pounds so if Americans are eating this food which is everywhere which is ubiquitous which we’re marketed to death on I mean kids get targeted 14 billion dollar the food industry spends on marketing junk food to kids they see an average of 30,000 ads a year you could talk to your kid breakfast lunch and dinner and snacks about healthy food and you’re not going to be marketing and this this to me is criminal most countries have banned this most companies countries don’t allow this and for example Chile has gotten all the food marketing for kids off between 6:00 in the morning and 10 at night they have no more Tony the Tiger on Frosted Flakes no more toucan on the saying FR frosted flakes are a highly processed food of course they are yeah I mean I’m a serial killer to tell the truth I I am a serial killer I think cial is the worst thing I’ve ever invented for Humanity it’s basically 75% sugar it’s sugar for breakfast it’s deserved for breakfast that’s not what we should be eating and so what’s happened is there are are ways in which we are uh making it so easy for people to make the wrong choice and when you’re exposed to these Foods you’re going to gain weight you’re going to be disregulated you’re going to destroy your microbiome you’re going to create inflammation you’re going to drive heart disease cancer diabetes dementia autoimmune diseases all these things are coming at explosive rates and you know I’ve looked at the data and even though we’re spending more and more it would be fine if we were spending five trillion dollar and America was getting healthy it would be fine if we’re spending uh $485 billion on drugs if they were working but for Tucker the the drugs that we’re using for the disease that we have are not the right treatment the right treatment is changing what we’re eating and if you look at heart disease it’s up 50% Cancer’s up 30% 60% higher in those under 50 so we’re seeing cancer rates rising in the young in race we’ve never seen before even though young people don’t smoke cigarettes no it’s the food colon cancer is the biggest thing but it’s just a little crazy again this is the benefit of being in your 50s because you sort of remember what the the previous lies were but like if we get rid of smoking not endorsing smoking then cancer is just going to like cease to exist well certain cancers like lung cancer and other cancers have have gone down but when you see cancer rates increasing in children like by 30% you see autoimmune diseases up 100% you see mental health issues up 80% you see autism up 1,000% add up 200% diabetes up 400% Alzheimer’s up 150% so we are screwing up here big time by not dealing with the root cause and we’re spending on all those conditions two to 300% more on drugs so we’re we’re almost like you know we’re increasing by one or two fold these diseases and the drug use has gone up two or three fold and we’re losing so if it was working great but it’s ain’t working and and what’s happening is that now most people don’t realize it but that one of every dollars of your taxpayer dollars goes to fund our health care costs in America of that $4.9 trillion do which was half a trillion when I graduated medical school that’s paid for by the taxpayer and it’s mostly rentable we’re probably adding two trillion to our federal deficit every year because of this and also the the amount of money we’re spending is 40% of all Healthcare bills so if you look at the Total Healthcare Bell when you add in everything the government not just Medicare but IND Health Service the military all federal employees all the programs that are that the government is funding around Healthcare is 40% of the total health care bill in America is paid for by the US government and we have enormous power to change how those dollars are spent and how chronic disease is address this country and for the first time take this on and not just try to find pill for every ill but to get to the root cause and it’s really from changing our food system from field to Fork it’s addressing the conflicts of interest in government it’s addressing NIH funding it’s addressing what we pay for with you know food stamps there so many areas that we have policy so before we get that let’s just Define a couple terms so when you say ultr processed foods can you be precise yeah for sure so there’s a Nova classification and there’s many different classifications for different kinds of food processing and there’s pros and cons with each one so there’s no perfect system but the Nova classification was developed by scientists in Brazil it’s now their standard of care for their food programs and dietary guidelines so you know nonprocessed food is a tomato an egg an apple you know an almond you know what that is right but if you make almond butter well that’s a little bit of minimally processed food if you make a can of tomatoes that’s minimally process there’s another level of you know processing that you use in cooking it’s a little more sort of processing of things but it’s not it’s not made from anything other than real food ingredients the fourth classification is ultra process and this is essentially where they take commodity crops which are funded with our federal dollars supporting farmers who are losing the game that’s corn so so beans corn soybean and wheat and by the way the farmers are suffering so bad you know Tucker there’s there’s a 350% higher rate of suicide in Farmers than there are in the rest of the population there’s $435 billion of farmer debt that they carry to support us and those and they’re stuck between the the crop insurance that the government’s playing the banks which are providing them uh you know the loans and the Agri chemical and seed companies that are providing the fertilizer the seeds and the chemicals that they’re spraying on their farm and they can’t they can’t get out of that toxic Loop and they’re they’re struggling those rural communities are struggling so bad and that can be fixed and so um when you look at wait I lost my train Ultra process so so so process is any food that’s been changed in its compos so what happens what what happens is they growing these commodity crops that the government’s basically supporting them funding of wheat corn and soy but you’re not eating wheat berries or whole grain you’re not eating true whole soybeans you’re not eating just corn on the cob these are deconstructed in F in factories and basically science labs into their molecular components are torn apart and and rebuilt into these chemically extruded food-like substances of all color size and shapes that are not by definition food if you look up the Webster definition of food it’s not actually technically food and so what most Americans are eating is stuff that actually is harmful it’s causing disease and killing people it’s it’s literally think about it the equivalent of two holocausts a year are caused by the food we’re eating according to the stud see it you said 70% of our grocery store offerings are Ultra processed food you know the labeling food labeling is a big issue and is one of our key initiatives I think if we if we move forward in this Administration has to be addressed people need informed consent they need be empowered with the right information they need to know what they’re eating whether it’s good or bad for them and now you need to be a PhD scientist to read a nutrition label or read the ingredients and know what it means so so I avoid the nilow Wafers that’s I guess if you look at the if you look at the ingredient list it should be stuff you know it should say Tomatoes or salt or measurement yeah if you see stuff like mutilated hydroxy taline probably not something you want to be eating and many of these chemicals that we use in America are are outlawed in other countries in Europe and Singapore and in many other uh countries these compounds that have been validated to show that how harmful they are to human beings have been removed from the marketplace and we should follow those standards here so labeling is really key and we’re going to work on that but right now if you’re if you’re just trying to figure it out look at the ingredient list if there’s stuff there that you wouldn’t have on your kitchen or you wouldn’t have in your pantry don’t eat it if it says maltodextrin where’s your maltodextrin jar in your spice jar where’s your beated hydroxy toin you sprinkle that on your salad no so if you don’t understand it don’t eat it yeah I mean yeah I mean things can have a long list of ingredients if you eat Indian foods they have lots of spices that’s fine it’s real food but if it’s if it’s something that is is in Latin that you don’t understand can’t pronounce or it has a health claim on the label it’s probably not good for you I mean like laay potato chips now it says they’re gluten-free I mean that’s ridiculous right oh it’s gluten free it’s healthy no it’s not you know gluten- free it’s glutenfree because there’s no wheat in it right of course but it’s Coca-Cola is gluten- free so like my my rule is if it has a health claim on the label don’t eat it if there’s a health claim on the lab yeah but say if it’s low fat high fiber low cholesterol you know you know if it’s no sugar if it’s you know gluten-free it’s hiding something they’re hiding something right it’s just food I mean you know tomato doesn’t say gluten-free on it right it just a tomato so that I mean that limits your options well you know what you’re going to lose weight just from at that point you know it’s amazing I I had this view that that it was people’s fault they were fat and and I went down as part of this movie called fedup that I did with Katie kurick and Lori David about 10 years ago we went to South Carolina and I went to Easley South Carolina one of the one of the poorest uh areas in America one of the worst Food deserts in America there’s something called the retail environment food index how many fast food and junk food and bodegas there are compared to grocery stores they’re like 10 to one and and this family and five lived in a trailer that they were on disability in food stamps and they want to sort of get healthy and I asked them why do you want to get healthy because I’m like why do you want to be in this movie they well my dad is 42 he has type two diabetes from the food8 he has kidney failure he’s on dialysis he’s going to die unless he loses 40 pounds and we can’t get him to lose 40 pounds we don’t know what to do the mother was well over 150 lbs overweight the son was you know 16 years old almost diabetic 50% body fat it should be 10 to 20% I went I said rather than giving a lecture about what to do and what to eat I said let’s go to your let’s go to your house let’s let’s go shopping get some simple foods that are inexpensive that are whole foods that are healthy to eat so we made turkey chili this was from good good food on a tight budget a guide from the environmental working group I said here’s turkey chili here’s how to roast some sweet potatoes here’s how toce fagas here’s how to make a salad from not just iceberg lettuce but some real lettuce here’s olive oil and binar dress iceberg is not real lettuce no no it’s pretty pretty pretty much a nutritionally vapid food I would not really yeah would I mean I mean it’s fine if you want to eat it but it’s not it’s not fully uh dense with with phytochemicals and nutrients you know and so so we basically showed them and I went through their cupboards everything in their cupboard they had um low fat this and cool wh they thought was healthy because it said no trans fats but the FDA with an inclusion with the food industry allowed a food to say no trans fats that have less than half a gram per serving so basically they they’re just duping the American public and and we need clear trans transparency and information so they didn’t know what they were eating and everything was frozen or packaged or canned or boxed they never cooked anything they didn’t have cutting board they didn’t have knives they never cooked anything in their kitchen and so we made turkey chili we made this whole meal we sat down and ate it and it was so delicious and the Sun Goes Dr Heyman do you like this to your family every night I’m like yeah I do and it wasn’t hard it wasn’t difficult didn’t take much time and I said listen you know I don’t know if you can do this but here here’s this guide on how to eat well for Less here’s here’s my cookbook on on how to actually eat healthy and try it and I on the plane I sent them cutting boards and knives because they didn’t they didn’t have anything to cut I mean we were cutting like with a butter knife trying to cut sweet potatoes it was ridiculous hard hard sweet potatoes they had no utensils in the house nothing not not for cooking right and so the first week the mother text me back she said Mark we lost 18 pounds I’m like amazing and a year they lost over 200 lb of the family the father lost 45 got a new kidney the mother lost 100 plus pounds the son lost 50 but he went to work at Bojangles and gain it back he said it was like putting an alcoholic to work in a bar and and then and then uh he gained all the weight back and then and then he called me a few years later said Mar can you help me I like yeah oh he said Dr Heyman but you yeah I said yeah and so I coached him and got it he lost 132 pounds and he’s the first kid in his family to go to college he wrote me a letter he said Mark can you can you can you write me a letter of recommendation for medical school and now he’s a doctor so and he now he lost all that weight so so what what that taught me was that it’s really about education about information about skills you know I if you know this story but but in wait but hold on hold on there’s yes but you can know the right path and not take it there’s a compulsion attached to certain kinds of food 100% And this is well documented uh Tucker It is Well documented well documented the studies are published there was a large study published reviewing all the literature on food addiction and there’s something called the Yale food addiction scale which is questions you can you can look up online you just ask the answer the questions and it tells you if you’re a food addict just so if you can do a question here to tell if you’re an alcoholic it’s 14% of the adult population are alcoholics 14% of people are food addicted and 12% of children are food Addicted by by the scientific definition of food addiction not not just oh yeah this is addictive but actually biologically addictive measuring measuring the the things you need to measure to determine addiction and so if that’s true you know you’re say compulsion but it’s really a hijack of our biochemistry so the food industry has designed foods to hijack our biology there’s a book written by Michael Moss called salt Shar and fact where he interviewed 300 food industry EX Ives and whistleblowers and scientists and basically they said look we we have taste institutes where we hire craving experts these are own their own terms to create the Bliss point of food which is the maximum lighting up of your brain and and then we go for targeting marketing to heavy users so they’re not going to get me to drink a can of Coke but they’re going to get someone who’s already having Coke to try to drink a two lit bottle right and they know how to do that and so so the the the the effects of these foods are so harmful on us and they they know they know what they’re doing and they they actually designed them to be this way I mean the tobacco companies bought a lot of the food companies back in the 70s RJR abisco Phil Morris craft and they they bu they built this whole industry of ultra processed food there’s now 600,000 Ultra processed food products 80% of them are full of sugar and and they’re they’re the things that are driving most of the things that are wrong with America if you look at uh food it’s the Nexus for everything one obviously chronic disease all the things we mentioned heart disease diabetes cancer Alzheimer’s autoimmune diseases I mean just Digestive Disease all things depression mental health now is linked to ultra processed food there’s really well documented science on this that these foods cause depression anxiety so we have all these these these foods that that are are being uh causing disease then we have the economic burden which we talked about the half almost five5 trillion dollar we have the effect on National Security because 77% of military recruits are rejected because they’re unfit to fight so we have a national security crisis and 72% more evacuations were for obesity compared to war injuries from Iraq and Afghanistan think about that you know in a war more more soldiers were evacuated because of obesity than because of war injuries academic performance we’re 30th something in the world in math and reading we are we are where kids are suffering our kids are are on ADD medications so food makes you dumber certain kinds of 100% makes you cognitively impaired behavioral issues I mean there was one study Tucker where they where they took true kids in juvenile detention centers and they gave them healthy food swapped it out for the junk food 97% reduction in behavioral issues and violence 75% reduction in restraints and 100% reduction in suicides which is the third leading cause of death in teenage boys this is this is documented science this is not something I’m making up and it’s all I wrote in my book food fix which is really how to save our health our economy our communities on our planet one bite at a time and it talks about the Nexus of all these issues and then we and then we have the effect on on our on our soil we’ve lost so much soil carbon soil has to be healthy to grow a healthy plant and a healthy plant is what creates healthy humans and the nutrients and plants have gone down by 50% so even if you’re eating your broccoli it’s less nutritious than it was 50 years ago she got to eat twice as much BBE you can do that but still the best Christmas presents are the ones that you would give yourself well this Christmas we were recommending a gift that we do give ourselves meat from Merryweather farms in Wyoming so about 6 months ago we’d interviewed a bunch of different Health Specialists doctors and nutritionists about food in the United States and the consensus is it’s not very good particularly the meat so we decided let’s search across the country and find a source of good clean tasty meat not all of it tastes very good the clean stuff by the way so after trial and error we settled on our all-time favorite Merryweather farms and we really settled on it so every time we have dinner with a guest before the show which is often we serve the exact same thing stakes from Merryweather farms and every single time they’ve been excellent every guest has loved them we eat them at home and at work so we can recommend this with total heartfelt sincerity and this year Maryweather Farms makes it very easy for you to send their meat as a gift they got all kinds of gift boxes their famous Stakes including wagu beef roasts Burgers hot dogs beef sticks snacks everything you could possibly want you can send to your loved ones from Merryweather Farms the address Merryweather farms.com Tucker use the promo code Tucker Christmas for a discount this year we eat it we recommend it Merryweather it’s m e r i w t HR farms.com Tucker promo code Tucker Christmas at checkout highly sincerely recommended and and then you know we have also the effect on biodiversity because of all the chemicals are using we have 75% less pollinators no pollinators you know it’s hard to hard to have agriculture we have 50% loss in bird species from the way we’re growing food we have destruction of our waterways because we use fertilizer that runs off into the rivers and lakes and streams and causes yurification which basically grows the algae because of the extra fertilizer and that sucks all the oxygen out of the water and all the fish die there’s dead zones the size of New Jersey in the Gulf of Mexico there’s 400 around the planet that feed half a billion people so there this is all from the fertilizers which one of uses actually 2% of the world’s Global energy to make fertilizer but you don’t need to do that if you use regenerate agriculture which is what actually one of the things that I think this new administ should focus on which is how do you fix the farming because you got to start at the field to fix food and you know I think Wendel Barry said it beautifully he’s a poet and a and a farmer amazing man amazing man he said he said we have a health system that pays no attention to food and a food system that pays no attention to health we need to fix that so you’ve referred a couple times to um the connection between what we eat and cancer rates can you be a lot more abely absolutely yeah so so the data is really clear you want to scare people into eating better cancer is a good way to do it well you know cancer is is on the rice and and it and you know we we got can’t get over that I thought we were going to defeat it with our war on cancer yeah well that was Nixon he he wanted to but the problem is we’re we’re barking up the wrong tree if you look that there’s there’s there’s um a real clear data on on two drivers of cancer one is food and particularly sugar and starch and two and two is environmental toxins carcinogens which are ubiquitous we were exposed to toxin everywhere and we can reduce those but the the food part is really interesting because when you look at the growth of cancer cells they feed on sugar there’s a whole metabolic theory of cancer where if you use a ketogenic diet and this is work being done in Columbia and by Sid Muki and others ketogenic diets as a treatment for cancer to actually shut down the cancer cells because they can only feed on sugar we are like a Hybrid engine we can go electric or or we can go gas we can go carbs we can go fat cancer only goes sugar so you start the sugar and you you kill the cancer so the amount of sugar and flour eating is about 152 pounds of sugar per person per year and 133 pounds of flour that’s a lot that’s almost 3/4 of a pound a day of sugar and flour for every American and what that does is it fuels the cancer cells and so pancreatic cancer colon cancer breast cancer uterine cancer prostate cancer even some lung cancers and the data is documented go up with in insum resistance go up with obesity and go up with diabetes and metabolic dysfunction 93% of Americans Tucker are metabolically broken this is this is extra Jordy from the American Journal of Cardiology and what this means is that we’re somewhere on the degree what I call diabesity diabesity is pre-diabetes to type two diabetes and we we we cut off at pre-diabetes but that’s you know one in two Americans has pre-diabetes or type two diabetes that’s bad enough 38% of teenage boys I mean when I graduated medical school there was no type two diabetes there was no type 1 diabetes it was juvenile diabetes which is an autoimmune disease or adult on Diabetes which is a foodborn disease and so now we’ve changed the names to protect the guilty and and so now we see kids yeah three the names were changed mask the cause of type two I mean yeah I mean because kids were getting it so how do we call it juvenile diabetes if kids are getting type two diabetes as young as two or three years old it’s not their fault they’re being fed you know soda and I I once was working in an urgent care in California in an underserved community and this woman comes in with back pain she’s got a baby in her baby carriage and he’s drinking this brown liquid and I’m like what is this 7 months old I’m what is that say Coca-Cola I’m like why you baby Coca-Cola she he likes it I mean this is what’s happening and so we’re turning our our our whole society into this metabolically broken society and and this is the driver of all the disease we’re seeing cancer heart disease diabetes dementia they’re calling Al type three diabetes because of how it’s connected to sugar and insulin resistance you know I co-founded a company called function Health which allows people to get insights into their own biology and what we’re finding Tucker is that is that 96% of the people we’re testing have metabolic dysfunction 966 yeah so how do you get insight into your own biology what does that mean so so basically you know Healthcare System is broken and and we I believe that you know I could work for another 50 years and maybe I’m wrong maybe with this new Administration we’ll Leap Frog and things will change which I’m very hopeful for but we I created a a company with a number of other co-founders called function Health that allows you easy access to your own blood test uh it is simple five minutes to sign up 50 minutes to go into a Quest lab to get your Labs drwn you get over 110 biomarkers or lab tests it gives you insight into everything that’s going on in your body that you’re not being checked for at your regular doctor’s office get five times more Diagnostics you look at your hormones your metabolic Health your cardiovascular health your Nutritional Health I mean your immune Health we’ve seen we’ve seen 46% of Americans have some degree of autoimmunity which is crazy it’s one of the biggest cost drivers whether it’s thyroid autoimmunity or or other autoimmunity or pre- autoimmunity we’re seeing 67% have nutritional deficiencies and these are the lab reference ranges that are Quest these are not these are not what I would think at optimal so vitamin D for example should be over 50 4550 the reference range is 30 but still we’ve got a huge amount of people deficient at that level and when you’re under 30 your risk of getting sick and dying covid is 70% higher if your vitamin D is over 50 your risk of death is zero compared to the looking at ask a dumb question no dumb question so a basic question um so you get blood your company does this maybe others do it but you get a blood test yeah you get all these markers all these measurements of what’s in your blood how do you you know what they mean well that’s great question so we we really uh you know used the technology to help us build a database of the almost upto-date scientific information informed by all the scientific literatures and you have a clear description of what every biomarker means so if your insulin or blood sugar or your cholesterol particles are abnormal or you have positive autoimmune antibodies we tell you what it means why it happens what the root causes are not necessarily just what traditional medicine thinks but what what the new science thinks around root causes we give you all the self-care things you can do yourself to optimize your health so you can upgrade your biology with the insights from scientific literature from knowledge experts we’ve brought in top scientists and doctors to help inform the content so it’s like having a thousand doctors in your pocket remember the iPod was a thousand songs in your pocket this is a thousand doctors in your pocket and and it gives you the ability to do self-care and like I said diabetes isn’t cured in the doctor’s office it’s cured in the kitchen and and that’s really what most chronic diseases can be fixed and I I see this over and over after doing this for 30 years I’ve written almost 20 books and and what I see is when people follow the guidance without having to go to the Healthcare System they can correct these things and they can fix these things really yes it’s quite amazing Tucker and by these things diabetes diet reversible heart seat reversible Alzheimer’s now Richard isson has done amazing work showing how we can reverse Alzheimer’s using aggressive lifestyle interventions but what yes this is this is incredible data I just want to speak up as a non-doctor we know for a fact fact that Alzheimer’s is incurable nothing can make it better well that’s actually not true I know but I’ve been told that a lot so I’m just of course of course because you know we’ve spent this is a great example we’ve spent about $2 billion in over 400 studies trying to find drugs for Alzheimer’s and nothing has worked the drugs that are approved are extremely expensive have marginal benefit a lot of side effects and cost a huge amount of money and may delay your entry into nursing home by two or three months that’s a win that’s not very good now there’s a couple of trials that have been done the finger trial out in Europe and in the pointer trial which is emerging that showed aggressive lifestyle intervention diet exercise managing stress sleep optimizing all your risk factors was able to not just slow the progression of Alzheimer’s and Dementia but to reverse it this is published data this is not my opinion Richard Isaacson also has published this data and and so now using biomarkers and we can actually test with function soon be adding biomarkers for Alzheimer’s so now there’s blood tests for B for for Alzheimer’s so you don’t have to wait until you forget your keys and Al for cancer you asking about cancer we do a multi-cancer wait at what age is Alzheimer’s detectable in a blood that’s a great question so on Imaging which is very expensive and difficult and not brain Imaging yeah brain Imaging you can see the changes up to 30 years before you got Alzheimer’s as a symptom with blood test it’s it’s not as as far as that we’re still figuring out you know what what those times are but you can see start these proteins start to develop in the blood that that indicate there’s something happening and you can then intervene early and the thing about Alzheimer’s is is that it’s if if you intervene early you can have an incredible benefit to help slow the progression and and delay it and actually reverse it I’ve seen this in my patients I wrote a book about this the ultramind solution 15 years ago Dale brison’s written a book called the end of Alzheimer’s and documenting that we have to get to the root causes is NIH on this no they’re not on and and this is what drives me crazy this what I’m saying we spent so much money we’ve gotten really no results because I don’t think you’re a crackpot but if I mean here you are sitting on camera saying no Alzheimer’s is reversible but that talk about a headline why isn’t that in the New York Times Good freaking question no I’m serious though good freaking question so either you’re crazy or they’re dishonest yeah I I think I think it’s it’s it’s a it’s a medical Paradigm Shift you know think is most most doctors are in a world is flat world they don’t understand that the world is round we’ve shifted a paradigm scientifically from uh a a disease-based diagnostic system to understanding the body as an integrated ecosystem and so the work of people like ler Ry Hood from The Institute for systems biology his phenome project is mapping out how our understanding of disease is completely wrong it’s based on labeling people according to symptoms and where it is in their body rather than on mechanisms and causes so I wrote a book called Young Forever which is about longevity we talked about I think last time I was on your show and and in the book I talk about the scientists who come up with this model of what are the root causes of Aging because we think aging is just it’s going to happen inevitable we’re going to get sick we’re going to get older we’re going to get frail we’re going to get weak and they’ve identified the underlying biology behind that so if we cured heart disease and cancer from the face of the planet we might extend Life 5 to 7 years you can get the same thing with meaning and purpose or playing tennis uh but if you actually dealt with the Hallmarks of Aging the things that really go wrong inflammation metac condent you are nutrition you you can act and your microbiome all the things that underly disease you could extend Life by 30 or 40 years which means living to 120 which is a crazy notion right so we now understand biology in a very different way than we did before and it hasn’t translated into the clinic and so why why I co-founded function Health with my co-founders was to help accelerate this Gap to kind of Lea frog over this aifi system but we need to change but it’s just kind of crazy what you’re say if you take three steps back and it’s like the whole point of medicine I presumed was to extend and improve life yes right keep you from dying you healthier make you happier and so if there is science that shows that that’s possible and ‘s ignoring it then I’m trying not to use profanity but like what is that yeah well it’s a good question because we have a we have a a illness medical industrial food EG complex that profits off of people being sick but so you write a book saying or someone else several doctors write books saying I can show that Alzheimer’s is reversible and what is every other doctorine in America they just don’t read the book they haven’t heard of it like yeah they just it’s like that’s kind of a provocative thesis because I think of Alzheimer’s as like AIDS in 1986 like it’s the wor and there’s nothing you can do about it no it’s remember that with 100% it’s scary as hell and and and uh and I can tell you that is is is is this is not my opinion you know I was at Cleveland Clinic I work with Marvin Sabah when he was there he was the head of the demen research center he understood this he understood these mechanisms these biology the science is there but there’s no funding for it because what are we talking about Tucker we’re talking about providing lifestyle interventions that they’re intensive that people need support they need to change their diet they need to exercise they need to optimize their sleep need to manage stress they need to take the right nutritional supplements they need to modify their risk factors aggressively this requires a very different reimbursement system we don’t have evidence-based medicine Tucker we have reimbursement based medicine doctors do what they get paid to do not what the right thing is the right treatment for diabetes is not more drugs or AIC the right treatment is Diet you know so it sounds like doctors aren’t really in control I mean they’re they’re doing the best they can you know but they’re responding to forces bigger than themselves they they you know the we medical education is a great example like you know doctors graduating you know in the 50s or 40s were dealing with infectious disease and acute care medicine and we have the best Acute Care Medicine system in the world bar none if you’re if you have an acute infection if you have sepsis if you need ICU you’re in a car crash car crash damn right I’m going to the hospital but that system doesn’t work for chronic illness and that’s what we’re facing now and so the 80% of the conditions that doctors are seeing are chronic diseases for which drugs are not the right ther thy most of the time they can be helpful as adjuncts but the fundamental drivers of our chronic disease epidemic is the food we’re eating and and also environmental toxins that are adding to that and when you add those two things together it explains most of the chronic disease epidemic it’s just I mean a lot of smart people you included you’re definitely one of the earliest but are saying varieties of what you’re saying now so I mean it was you know 30 years ago or so that the Congress hauled the heads of the tobacco companies Reynolds and Philip Morris and Laura larden humiliated them on camera and like you knew you were hurting people you did it anyway that’s right is that going to happen with nisco anytime soon I mean there are there are class action lawsuits that are being now uh arised around these companies to look at holding them accountable for what they’re doing and they know and there’s been foyer requests and information requests that I actually wrote about in my book that that show their nefarious behavior for example targeting minorities and targeting poor income lower income people to to focus on buying more junk food food program is a perfect example of that yeah I mean it’s kind of crazy tuer when you think about it you know when the American taxpayers is paying through the nose for everything all the way along the companies are privatizing profits and we’re socializing the cost so so we basically fund the growth of commodity crops with $20 billion of subsidies in crop insurance for corn wheat and soy to the farmers which puts them in a really tight Bond because they can’t change their system without support changing to a more regen of system that they’re going to make more money they’re going to grow better food they’re going to have you know better better uh resuscitation of their real economies you know and not hopefully commit suicide at the rate they’re doing we pay for that and then we pay for uh those foods for our our SNAP program so we have about 125 billion in snap which is our our food stamp program it’s supplemental nutrition assistance but there’s no n in there it’s just food security which means calories so they when you when you get your EBT benefits in the beginning of the month that these food companies know to advertise in the bodega so they’ll get your two L bottle of coke with your EBT and they put these giant ads in there and they know exactly when they’re getting their cards so we we basically fund so you can buy Coca-Cola 75% of the food bought on Snap is is junk food 10% is soda so you think about 122 billion on soda the Americans paying why would soda be Federal why would if we’re giving out nutritional assistance to the poor why would we pay for soda what a what an obvious question Tucker yeah but that’s just crazy it’s crazy it’s crazy and we know you wanted to hurt the poor you would do that I mean we know beyond a doubt and you know we can talk about Ultra processed food there’s arguments this and that way and this way but the food industry will say oh it’s it’s we’re going to take away people’s choice we’re going to take away convenience we’re going to take away affordability we’re going to make food less safe if we don’t alra process food these are their talking points it’s not all it’s all about calories it’s not moderation so you can have you know Soda as part of your diet as long as you don’t exceed your calories it’s basically your fault that you’re fat so you fix it that’s the messaging right it’s the messaging from every food industry sort of message from every professional association message from the medical uh sort of uh but that doesn’t mean that we have to pay for it why are we paying for it well that’s it so we pay we pay uh for probably 30 billion or more servings of soda for the poor every year and then we pay for taxpayers are sending all this money to Coca-Cola the biggest uh profit Center in America for Coca-Cola is 20% of their profits is SNAP food stamps Walmart gets I don’t know something like you know 40 billion of that a food stamp bill I mean it’s crazy and and we pay we pay are those numbers real yeah I can get you the I can get you the Walmart numbers but yeah it it’s it’s really high and then we and then we we have uh that’s shocking to pay for Medicare and Medicaid on the back end when people get sick from those foods and then we pay all the other cost you pay for the Coca-Cola and the asmic yeah I mean listen the price we paid the check poptarts and the insulin I mean that’s right the pop the check the price you pay the checkout C counter is not the true cost of food the true cost of food The Rock andell Foundation report is for every dollar you spend on food there’s Dollar in collateral damage yeah to health pay for the crack and the rehab yeah exactly it’s totally nuts pay for the hookers and we can fix this you fix we could fix this and you know Andy Harris you know who’s a who’s a uh um a congressman wanted to do a simple pilot study just a pilot study to see what would happen if we eliminated soda from food stamp benefits in a couple of locations just to just to monitor the impact on the health of those people and and he couldn’t get it through as a as a pilot not to change the entire USC policy just as a pilot study so imagine how anti-science this is is this is truly anti-science so it it’s just I really believe in naming and shaming it works just call people out you know bring some sunlight in and let them defend it exactly so I’d love to know who’s behind that and by the way I’m not saying you shouldn’t be allowed to buy Coca-Cola I’m saying I don’t want to pay for it right that’s fair isn’t it 100% I mean we the government of the United States should not be funding the the chronic disease epidemic which they currently are they are they are they either by uh policies that were put in you know that were innocent or by but it’s so perfect it’s like when I learned that we were funding Isis in Syria I was like that’s kind of perfect actually like both sides are taking American money yeah yeah it’s it’s kind of crazy but we we have the opportunity to change that for example Wick which is women infant and children’s food program is based on only allowing people to buy food that’s going to be healthy for the mother and child why not apply that to Wick you know why not school standards being changed so that actually kids can have healthy food I know that that I think Wick is like the center of profit for the formula makers isn’t it yeah well they that’s true that’s another problem but yeah for example in Chile they outlawed formula marketing for kids they outlawed that advertising the kids they got rid of all the junk food in schools they put it front and P Laing why would the federal taxpayers be included you included be paying for baby formula why would we be encouraging formula over breast milk well it’s a huge industry I mean it’s all in it’s it’s really it’s it’s uh you know there’s a a group from the who has has put together some initial papers and it’s coming out with a report next year about the commercial determinance of Health which is how multinational and transnational corporations in food and egg and Alcohol Tobacco are essentially driving our chronic dis epidemic and they’re privatizing the profits subverting public health and socializing the cost and the governments are the ones who are struggling with this and so so there are many other countries the governments are paying for it governments are paying for it and and you look at the healthiest countries they’re the ones like Japan and Singapore and Spain and Italy they they actually have policies that are protecting their citizens that are educating 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here uses those sheets and loves them and it does raise like some pretty interesting questions the smartest thing I’ve heard this year I think it’s a common phrase now is that the point of the system is its outcom so if you’re wondering about motive look at what the system produces and that describes the motive yeah right we don’t have to guess like so um if governments are making their citizens more unhealthy yeah I I think we can assume that they want that outcome no they don’t they don’t they they this has been the Frog and boiling water slowly that’s hit them so fast because oh yeah bring bring all these fast food companies bring all these American companies in to help us with our food nutrition let’s get fast food everywhere it’s kind of the kind of the Americanization of the world right we basically created the worst di on the planet and exported to every country in the world oh I’ve notic and and we see now even in the developing world there’s they call the double they call it um the double burden of disease chronic disease and infectious disease so they’re dying of diabetes and tuberculosis they’re dying of diabetes and malaria I hate to say it but I’ve traveled a lot of countries this year and the best food I had in any country was in a country under such severe us sanctions that no us companies there you go operate I’m not going to name the country but I’m just saying I don’t want to be too controversial and it makes me sad you controversial Tucker well it makes me I mean I’m you always coloring the line I think of myself as as a truly a loyal American I’m all in on America I’m never leaving but to go to a country whose food is amaz best I’ve ever had in my whole life yeah yeah yeah and it also happens that country has no American food of any kind because it’s not allowed yeah maybe there’s a connection maybe there’s a connection yeah so exactly and so so these these these countries have been unwittingly um participating in what they thought was growth and economic development but what it’s done is sicken their populations and and so now they’re a lot of these countries are are standing up like the UK just banned advertising of junk food France has clearly Laing on their front of package to make it really clear what you’re eating you know Chile and South America you go there and there’s been just warning signs on the front of labels they’ve done all these policies that have actually been studied and worked so we have we have cover in the United States why should we be allowing things in in the United States that we don’t these other countries have determined AR what are he’s paying for let’s just stop paying for it you know people are into some weird self-destructive Behavior not interested in rooting it out or showing up at your house making sure you’re not doing it I definitely don’t want to pay for it why should I have to pay and we should be not having to pay for it I agree yes yeah and you know government procurement $166 billion the government spends on food for military for correction facility for schools for everything when you look at the fat belill you know how much that could change the food system if we we said based on these set of nutritional principles which are I think well accepted in the nutritional science community of being what is food if we just follow that and didn’t pay for all the junk food and Ultra processed food we just took that out it would change the food system system in America all the industry would change if you take $166 billion out of the food economy and say we’re only buying healthy food from Farmers that produce healthy food it’s going to change everything from field to Fork these are simple things that the government can do that’s easy and because they control it so people I know I’ve known a lot of people go to prison more now than ever um and they get fat in prison a lot of them oh yeah is that I assume that’s because of the food is of course I mean in prisons they did another study I mentioned about the juvenile detention centers they swapped out prisoners food for healthy food and they found there was a 56% reduction in violent crime in the prisons and an 80% reduction if they added a multivitamin so all there’s so much nutritional deficiencies in in in countries like Japan they put people on a super healthy diet in prison and all their violent Behavior goes down pretty amazing really yeah it’s really interesting yeah they diet totally different put on like a macrobiotic like very kind of like healthy diet that gets them completely reset and we know we know the Mental Health crisis also why why don’t we do that since it’s a captive population we should we can I mean the problem is the the the this is a a very I don’t want to sound conspiratorial but I’m telling you there is a a u a very loose organization of of in industries that are working together to keep the system status quo they don’t want changes in our agricultural subsidies they don’t want changes in farming practices they don’t want changes in how we fund snap they don’t want changes in uh how we reimburse Healthcare they don’t want to changes in our food labeling they don’t want changes in ingredients that are in our food this you know this is this is stuff that’s so entrenched it’s it’s essential for their for their profits and their success I mean prisons if you think about it have been used as because it is captive the population of a prison they’ve been used as you know testing populations for C and vaccines and LSD and all kinds of horrible and you feel so sorry for the men who had to endure that why not use presis I’m not sure the LSD was bad for them but no Whitey Bulger was the was at Alcatraz why buer the you know head of the Winter Hill Gang in Boston a mass murderer and um he got dosed really hard with LSD at Alcatraz uh in the early 60s and wound up effectively a serial killer and his brother didn’t and wound up the most powerful politician in Massachusetts that’s incredible so I’m just saying bet you know maybe maybe fli them but anyway here’s the point why not use prisons as a a kind of federal prisons as a national test for the outcome of the diet you’re suggesting you could do that I mean you could do I mean there there were studies that were done in mental institution years ago but there’s ethics and so informed yeah not feeding people Oreos is unethical like what yeah yeah well I I think you’re right Tucker I mean the ethical considerations are really around informed consent and Medicine we gave them syphilis okay it’s okay now there’s rules about this no I’m just saying like but we could we could we could get informed consent we could ask pay them 15 cents an hour to work I mean they’re prisoners they can’t votee they can’t own firearms they can’t yeah yeah see their wives like everything about it is horrible why why wouldn’t you use the opportunity to improve their health I 100% agree and I I think we need do that every sector of society where the government has a hand school lunches the military all our federal food programs the these are easy interventions but but the food industry blocks it by huge lobbying efforts in Washington you know in my nonprofit food fix Campaign which is really about educating and advocating for policy change to really improve the health of Americans we met with over 150 senators and congressmen both sides of the aisle and everybody seems to get this issue and they’re not hearing about it and they’re starting to hear about it because people like me are talking about it but I’m just one guy of a little nonprofit I’m not funded by industry I don’t have any like conflicts of interest and I’m just trying to you know what are the big lobbies everyone says the big fud Lobby what companies is that I mean you’ve got the American Beverage Association you’ve got you know all the you know the pharmaceutical Lobby groups you’ve got all the a Lobby groups I mean collectively they’re the biggest group of lobbyist in Washington exceeding all the other Lobby and and they’re very powerful and they control a lot of happens in Washington I I I detailed a lot of this in my book food fix where should have congressman who are funded by Coca-Cola or these big compan and they fund both sides they fun everybody of course they do you know and so they’re they’ve got a lot of it locked up and and they’re they’re miseducative literally give it to them I’ve been in Congressman Senator’s office said this is amazing Mark could you write the legislation for me I’m like what I don’t know how to do that I mean I have people on my team who probably do that but it’s like it was sort of a it was sort of a startling kind of Revelation that the that the people in Congress need help and they need guidance they Direction They overwhelmed and they’re overwhelmed and they’re good people and they want to do the right thing and they’re not hearing the other side of the story and so when you lay it out for them they’re like that was with senator bman from Arkansas he’s a great guy and he’s like yeah I’m seeing the changes in my roal community I’m seeing what’s happening on the farms I’m seeing the the the degradation of these and I’m seeing the processed food I’m seeing what affects my population you know and he he gets it and he wouldn’t let me out his off for 45 minutes usually get like a senator Pops in high five minutes R out but it was incredible conversation I’ve seen this with Randy fenstra who’s really interested in regenerate agriculture I’ve seen this you know on the Democratic side with people like Cory Booker and um and Richard Neil and um James McGovern who are trying to advocate for food policies so Roger Marshall and Cassidy both doctors ful in on this stuff so there’s so many allies in Congress on both sides of the aisle that are sort of sick and tired of how this thing is going and realize we can’t continue to do what we’re doing and I think Tucker we have a historic opportunity with with Trump and Bobby Kennedy and Dr Oz now as the head of CMS and other people I think hopefully Casey means will be surgy General general you know I think I think we we can we can have a shift in the thinking and educate America just like we we did with smoking and we can win it’s just so funny that that I mean whatever life is irony everything is irony but the Big Mac president is ushering in it’s just crazy oh no I’m sure of all people but but it it makes sense right Johnson was one of the biggest bigots he signed the Civil Rights Act that’s Reagan was the most staunch anti-communist he’s the one who ended the Cold War so there’s a there’s a historical fact that’s very deep what you’re saying is deep no that is the way life is actually it’s the opposite of what you expect yeah and um and I’ve talked to Trump about it and he he means it you know he’s I would say Bobby Kennedy is one of the nominees he’s proudest of he hasn’t backed down at all I think Bobby’s going to get confirmed I want to ask you about the thing for which Bobby is most famous um but I don’t want to say the word because YouTube will demonetize this you’re not even allow even now yeah uh YouTube biggest company most powerful company in the world Google um has a an AI program that will literally knock out your video if you use the VW yeah so let’s call it the shot the word if you don’t mind the V word the V word not the good V word the bad the bad word um so Bobby Kennedy became Infamous 15 or 20 years ago when he wrote a piece in Rolling Stone um suggesting that I mean he just got exiled from America basically for suggesting that the shot might cause really bad outcomes Health outcomes in children y um I never hear anybody bring that up anymore we accepted that there may be truth in that well listen I think you know we get we get S religion around certain topics in medicine and I don’t understand this you know medicine is supposed to be about science yes it’s about asking questions yeah and to say a subject is settled and we need no more science doesn’t make any sense like aspirin’s a great example we thought aspirin was the greatest thing on on the planet Earth that everybody should get an aspirin to prevent a heart attack but as we started to look at the data very carefully we saw that gee no actually it increases the risk of certain problems like brain hemorrhage and gastrointestinal bleeding and death and 30,000 people die every year from taking aspirin for prevention of heart attacks what yeah I didn’t even know that right so so you’re supposed to take a baby aspirin every day well that’s right but it causes it’s it causes bleeding it it it thins your blood that’s why it’s good for preventing heart attacks but also can make you have a brain hemorrhage or you know a gut blade and so the now the guidelines have been revised and it’s not recommended for everybody only certain high-risk populations right and and yet we change our mind based on the data we look at the science we we we update our data the V word is you know listen I’m just going to say it I think vaccines are one of the greatest advances in medicine in history they they have eradicated many serious diseases polio small poox you know I mean I was in Haiti during the earthquake and I was working at the joural hospital there and there was a guy with tetanus and I I’d never seen a full-blown case of tetanus before it was one of the worst things I’d ever seen what is it I don’t know tness is is you know when you step on a rusty nail right lock jaw they used to lock jaw but you like basically go into total par paralysis like your body’s in con it’s like one big giant spasm and you can’t get out of it and you like basically have to give them IVs and oxygen and hope they survive and there’s tetanus antitoxin but it’s it we were it was the worst thing i’ ever seen so so vaccines have a role and and the problem is is that a tetanus shot is a vaccine yeah tetus shot is a vaccine I didn’t know that polio is a vaccine of well famously yeah um but a tennis shot is a vaccine yeah it’s a vaccine yeah you’re supposed to get every 10 years yeah and you know diptheria there’s some really good things we’ve done in medicine to reduce a lot of the childhood illnesses and childhood deaths measles this this is this is vaccines aren’t a problem the problem is that we need to study long-term safety and efficacy of these drugs like any other drug you know one of the problems with medicine is that is and I think this was a huge failure during covid and I think Bobby was right about this you know we we we did not actually give the American public the benefit of doubt that they were smart enough to understand the nuances around this treatment so they said vaccines are safe they’re effective well not really like any drug it’s sort of safe and it can be effective right aspirin is effective for certain things but it also has side effects right and so vaccines work to prevent the the mortality rates and reduce death rates and reduce the severity of infection but it didn’t prevent infection and that was very clearly early on and the there’s this concept called sterile immunity versus disease immunity immunity sterile immunity is you get a measel shot when you’re a kid you never need it again you’re you’re sterile you’re never going to get measles the flu vaccine you have to get every year because it you basically don’t get permanent immunity you get sort of a reduction in the risk of disease that’s what the Coe vaccine was so it reduced the risk but it didn’t prevent you getting it didn’t prevent transmission and it also has side effects and we were pushing on young kids and now the data is really clear it causes increased myocarditis heart inflammation so what we need is just good science and I think this is all Bobby’s asking for he’s not antivaccine he’s been vaccinated I’ve been vaccinated we vaccinated our kids I think it’s propaganda that say he’s an antivaxer that’s really just a way of dismissing him but I think we have to understand that we just need to do good science and that’s all he’s asking for he recently come out and said he’s not taking vaccines he’s Pro vaccines but he wants good science and I think that’s what we need around everything well I mean this and it’s whether it’s Alzheimer’s or whether it’s diabetes or whether it’s whatever it is we’re studying the wrong things now we told you before about a staff favor here at TCN the eight sleep pod what is it it’s a high-tech mattress that’s we talk about over lunch here our mattresses because this one is excellent It’s high-tech it’s a cover it goes right over your existing bed well this Christmas you can get it for the best price of the Year up to 600 bucks off the eight sleep pod works by adjusting the temperature warmer or cooler depending on your preference and it maintains an ideal sleeping Network all night long you might not know this but but through 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try with no obligation for 30 days if you don’t like it just send it back that’s eat sleep.com Tucker better sleep truly why do you think it became for Bowen to ask any questions about this one category of medicine that’s a very good question I don’t know the answer to that there was a religious fervor that scared me I didn’t I have exactly the same view that you just articulated on the subject I don’t I’m not a zealot either way yeah but the zealotry was 100% on the other side and it was really scary it ended friendships at divided families like I’ve never seen anything like it what was that I I think I think you know is a public health effort you know you know I understand the Public Health Mission which is to sort of work on the health of the entire population and so you’re willing to kind of simplify things and put out messaging that may not be completely scientific in order to get people to do stuff right which is what happened during oh you lie to manipulate people well that yeah you can’t do that but I think I think we need informed consent I mean you listen when you give prescribe a drug as a doctor you’re supposed to say if I give you this drug here’s the benefits and here the risk you know it’s it’s really clear we’re supposed to do that in medicine it’s called the to do that yeah and we should have informed consent so people understand here’s the benefit here’s a risk and you can decide for yourself but why would I mean of course everything became be in the political politically charged year of 2020 election year became super partisan okay so there’s that yeah but it was it was deeper than that cuz Trump was out there he was Pro vaccine yeah and then the Biden people of course are pro vaccine but the media take became like I’ve never seen that level of intolerance like anybody who asked any question was not just wrong or misinformed but evil and deserving of death as a doctor is that the view of doctors like anyone who questions this should die what is that quite astounding Tucker it’s one of those areas in medicine where it’s become a religion and you can’t question it but why was that the case when you were in medical school not really like I I just I don’t understand what happened I think there was there was a sense that that you know we’re being um not given the whole story and the whole truth and I think this is true and I think most people don’t know well whenever they attack you for asking questions then you can be certain you’re not getting the whole story absolutely and you know and people have attacked me there’s there’s this group called The American Council on science and health which has gone after me and they’re they’re basically funded by Monsanto and pesticide companies and and Pharma and the tobacco companies and the fast food companies and so they they you know like I’m I’m pretty sound like a fun group yeah and they and they sound great and this is one of their strategies so so the the way in which the food you ask how this has happened it’s it’s not by accident so the food industry and the a have deliberately set up a series of actions and strategies across all sectors of society to take over the narrative one they fund most of the research so there’s there’s 12 times as much research quote on nutrition from food industry in other words the American Beverage Association does a study on artificial sweeteners they find they’re fine and they don’t you they do a study on soda they find it doesn’t cause obesity right that’s kind of garbage science and there’s 8 to times more likely to show a benefit for their product if they’re funding it so they take over the research infrastructure they they take over the professional associations the American Heart Association receives $192 million a year from Pharma and food American Diabetes Association Academy nutrition dietetics all the major professional associations which we think are independent giving us independent advice are funded and and co-opted by these and I I mean it’s it’s what about the autism groups um cuz I always wondered there’s been this massive increase in ISM I don’t know what’s causing it it’s not genetic that’s not true it’s not because we broaden the classification of autism that’s not deection it’s a th% I mean okay right so and it’s a it’s a life-ending crisis like yeah it went from one in 2500 to one in 26 Kids 1 in 39 kids of course we all know people who have autistic children and it’s it’s really a tragedy so there’re all these autism groups and they’re all they’re incredibly pompous and self-righteous yeah but all of them have sort of shot down the idea that like we should ask any questions about where this comes from well not all of them there some are asking the big ones have yeah of course I know someone who worked on I was like what what’s causing that shut up that’s right it’s like you work in an Autism group why aren’t you interested exactly I mean this so who’s funding them do you know we should take it close I I don’t know but but but there’s autism groups and then they fund not only um professional associations not only the fund nutrition research but they obviously also create these these front groups like The American Council on science and health and crop life and all these nice sounding things American Council on science and health sounds very legitimate sounds and you look at these guys half these guys were in jail are you against science and health one no but one of these guys was like in jail for Medicare fraud for $8 million you look at these guys are criminals well he knows a lot about science and health yeah exactly so and then and then I’m serious so they and then they fund social groups so this get this Tucker they fund like the NAACP in the Hispanic Federation oh I’m aware of this and and I I was I was Al Sharpton that’s where he got his suits taking that’s right I was I was with uh Bernie King at the uh in in washingt in Atlanta and woman were going to show the movie Fed Up which was about childhood obesity and how our sugar industry was causing this and our food was causing this and and she said nonviolence is just not nonviolence to others but it’s nonviolence to yourself and I think this is important and I want to show this film in the King Center so I said great and so a few days later she call me back s Mark can’t do it I said why Coca-Cola funds the King Center oh and obes is not a problem in the black community you know if you look at at African-Americans in the 60s they were healthier than white Americans if you look at that movie Amazing Grace with the wreath of Franklin oh I know it’s a great movie she was th and every black person in that congregation in Oakland in 1970 was then and now 85% of African-American women are overweight this is it was La I think not Oakland really was it La okay where she recorded the gospel album it was yeah it was the Amazing Grace it I don’t remember it was a it was a great documentary oh it’s the most incredible album too so they fund social groups to help oppose things that they don’t want like soda taxes or fun like the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia which is one of the Premier Children’s Hospital chop was going to actually uh come out in favor of a soda tax but Coca-Cola gave them $10 million and they they pull back this is the kind of stuff they do so they have they they fund science they Co-op professional associations they uh fund uh you know the social groups they create front groups and they huge lobbyists and so they very deliberate in how they do this in fact it was it was illegal they got a huge lawsuit against them from Secret AR of Attorney General of Washington state because they colluded a lot of the food industry groups colluded to fight against goo labeling which they wanted to do in um Washington now America and Syria are the only countries that don’t allow GM we pretty good company Syria’s got bigger problems China and Russia you know are transparent about this and they’re not known for their trans allowed in Russia right and so so basically they they funded this campaign for a ballot initiative to defeat the GMO labeling and they they they won but they did it illegally and they spent huge amounts of money doing it and they were then fined and had the biggest uh fine ever which was trivial for them it was like I don’t know $8 million or something that they had to pay but it was trivial but they they got a big slap on the wrist for doing this but were but they won same thing in California when Jerry Brown was was governor and he’s Governor Moonbeam I mean he’s as left as you can get you know and and there were soda taxes being passed all around California and the soda industry got together American Beverage Association they said we’re going to create a ballot measure that’s going to require two3 majority for every vote in any state or local government govern for anything would basically paralyze the government of California if they pass this ballot measure and they were funding it with millions of dollars had nothing to do with food they said look Jerry we’re going to pull the spout measure but you’ve got to put in a permanent ban on soda tax in California and he did that’s what’s going on behind the scenes that’s how this permanent ban on soda taxes in California there’s no permanent ban on any other kind of taxes so that’s that’s also what bothers me is I I do think there should be one standard for everyone in every category CU We’re All American citizens exemp from taxes very includings and nobody should be exemp from lawsuits unless all of us are and so I don’t understand like one of the reasons orthopedic surgeons don’t do knee Replacements drunk is they can be sued for it oh but drug makers for a certain category of drug have blanket immunity where do I get but do you have blanket immunity granted by Congress I don’t I wish that would be nice how do we get that so I don’t but okay I don’t understand $20 million I’ll donate maybe I can get that for you like this is absolutely nuts how how does one category of product have blanket immunity from La statutorily blanket immunity and no and they’re like well we provide a vital a vital service well everybody who works thinks he provides a vital service like who doesn’t think he’s Pro you think you’re providing a vital service I do I mean you want I mean you want to incentivize Innovation you want to incentivize science you want to you know accelerate things that may be really necessary in ways that you know are are probably not possible within a normal course of how we develop drugs well then let’s do Tor reform right but was vaccines you know some of them were not that profitable and and some are very profitable uh but what’s happened is that that in 19880 I think it was ‘ 86 the US government indemnified vaccine makers oh I know so that meant that they could make vaccines and never be sued and they created a vaccine Court deal with vaccine injury and they paid over5 billion in vaccine injuries so the drug companies paid over five billion no no no the US taxpayers paid wait wait wait wait so you’re saying that the drug companies can never be sued but if they are sued taxpayers have to pay the damage that’s right Federal Federal vaccine Court yeah and and so that’s the biggest scam I think I’ve ever heard of ever I mean in a way I understood the thinking behind it because you know you want to incentivize rapid development of of drugs that aren’t going to be that profitable right so but it turns out that many of these drugs are profitable like Rota virus which is a new vaccine and we when we were kids there were like eight eight shots now there’s like 72 shots you get and and many countries for example don’t allow for example Hepatitis B at Birth is is a vaccine we’re recommending in America and it’s what you get from Ivy drugs or sex now I don’t know any newborns that are doing IV drugs or sex and and you know if you are probably not a lot probably not a lot but many countries don’t actually have it on their vaccine schedule you know we do and so with with Rota virus for example they profit hundred billion dollar it’s a hundred billion dollar profit for them that’s nuts right do you have any idea why the trial bar which has always been one of the most powerful lobbies Washington and definitely the most powerful in the Democratic party haven’t said anything about this I don’t know so their argument has always been look if you want safer goods and services you have to apply a penalty to people who are negligent yeah I mean that’s what that’s their argument it’s not a crazy argument by the way no and um Coca-Cola by the way for all its faults can be sued if they poison you with the can of Diet Coke that’s right so they don’t right so why wouldn’t that and by the way if you’re saying well I can’t make enough money selling my product why don’t you convince people to buy it then then just convince people that it’s a good product and they probably pay for it yeah know I understand that I mean it’s it wasn’t a completely stupid idea but it’s ended up being a bit of a disaster and I think I think all we need is better science good science and I well if you have a government that’s like you must use this product you have you got no choice will punish you if you don’t use the product and then you get injured by the product yeah most people got injured like had no idea they could be injured CU nobody told them they do get injured yeah you’re told to shut up and just suffer or die in silence and then you’ve got no recourse mhm and the and then the people who sold you the product at gunpoint become billionaires that seems like a very flawed system it’s a bit it’s a bit messed up I mean it’s a bit messed up kind of a perfect system for the drug but but it just sort of under underscores the bigger problem in our society which is that we we really have uh multinational transnational corporations profiting from creating more sickness you know the food companies create illness the farmer companies pay for the illness drug treatments and the whole thing just works for them but we have to change this and we and we can as a federal government change the policies cuz other countries have done this they’ve been successful they’ they’re winning the war on this problem and and we need a focus effort and I think there’s so many things that could be done in this Administration okay so tell us about Bobby Kennedy who you’ve for viewers who haven’t followed this for a long you’ve know him for a long time you wrote a book with him he’s not just like some guy you met at a cocktail party you know him really well you just you told me at dinner last night you were just staying with him yeah um do you want to say where you’re staying because I thought it was hilarious oh we were staying at Dr Oz’s house so you got Mark kman Bobby Kennedy were the means is there too uh Cali was there Cali means and Dr Oz all staying together so yeah it was so it is it’s a conspiracy of light I would say um but anyway but you know Bobby really well personally and professionally what do you think his strengths are going into this job I think he’s he’s he has the right focus and perspective which is that we have a crisis which is our chronic disase epidemic it’s been neglected by scientific Community prenominal it’s been neglected by the federal government it’s Bank cting us is causing destruction of our environment of our social structures of our academic competitive and Global competitiveness of our military and he understands that these needs to be addressed and so I think that’s a huge strength I think he wants to focus on on rooting out corruption rooting out conflicts of interest in the in in agencies I think he wants to impend policies that are going to transform the health of America and and you know we’re working on a whole series of different ideas but I think the NIH needs to be reformed they should basically fund fund nutrition research chronic disease which they don’t very small amount of money goes to that they still don’t 5% but uh but it’s 80% of the diseases we’re seeing they they should have a mandate for example that all medical schools and academic institutions that receive federal funding from any Source should have a nutrition curriculum and that it should be mandated and there’s there’s there’s reason for that because doctor’s graduating today my daughter’s in medical school she’s in fourth year medical school not a single thing on nutrition like what did you learn well I learned about B amino acids and fatty acids what are you going to tell your patient to have for lunch you know like and and so zero education that could be changed over was that true when you were in medical school of course yeah I learned about you know quorus core marasmus and rickets and syrup Thalia all these rare diseases from vitamin deficiencies in Africa and protein malry yeah berry berry and pagar I’m like I never seen any of that you know like I I didn’t see any of that so I I think you know I did see some malnutrition when I was in Haiti but but it was you know really really rare and and what what we’re not doing this the NH could do a lot and then the the HHS could fund with Medicare nutrition services in Med in medicine which it doesn’t pay for now so if you have diabetes or heart disease or Auto diet cause diseases very hard to get nutrition services and we we at Cleveland Clinic created a lifestyle change program where we got people to you know work together to change the behavior and change lifestyle was based on the sort of work I did with brick Warren in Saddleback Church where we got 15,000 people to lose a quar million pounds in a year by by actually getting healthy together so really it’s about Behavior change and also what to do so they changed was in the refineries they got rid of the pancake breakfast the ice cream socials they got they got everybody jogging for Jesus it was it was great and then they lost a lot of weight Rick lost a ton of weight they got healthy and we showed how people doing this in groups actually works and this could be funded um by the federal government well schools used to do that yeah they I don’t think they do anymore no and so so we know we know actually how to change Behavior we know how to change these chronic diseases with food and that needs to be funded like I said we don’t have evidence-based medicine we re urement based medicine there’s a company called verta that reverses type 2 diabetes in 60% of their patients using a ketogenic diet they do it with a continuous care online model they reverse all the biomarkers for heart disease they get those better they have about 12% weight loss can you there so they reverse 60% of diagnosed type yeah Advan fairly Advanced type two diabetes like insulin dependent 100% they get they get 100% off the medication the main medication for diabetes they get 90 plus% off they save $6,000 per diabetic patient and if you apply that to Medicare diabetes population just doing that alone would save a hundred billion a year and you’re not even cutting all the amputated Limbs and well that’s what it all the suffering that goes along with it um so what roughly when is the average type 2 diabetic diagnosed as such depends I mean if you’re if you’re AA Indian it could be three years old uh you know 80% of type two Aima Indians by the time they’re 30 have type two diabetes 80 80% 80% uh in certain communities it’s it’s rampant and then African-Americans it’s it’s it’s much higher than whites it’s in Hispanics it’s much higher than whites so you the the age can vary but the pre-diabetes starts early so we’re measuring with function my my company function Health insulin resistance and we’re measuring insulin and most doctors never measure insulin I asked Quest how many doctors are measuring insulin probably less than 1% of the lap Quest is the testing the questing toy yeah like less than 1% get measurements for insul which is the single biggest thing we have a problem with in America which is our insulin levels are spiking because of sugar insulin when it’s high causes you to store belly fat it makes you hungry it locks the fat in your fat cells and it slows your metabolism so you’re screwed and you get stuck in this vicious cycle where you have hungry fat that makes you eat more that makes you want to exercise less and you get in this cycle of waking nobody wakes up any every day go I want to be diabetic I want to be overweight I want to G nobody says that they don’t they’re people do wake up craving sugar cereal and pancakes ex exactly because their metabolism and biochemistry has been hijacked by the food industry how long to get out of that cycle very quick very quick like how quick well I I let’s say you’re on a typical American diet and you’re waking up with frosted flakes yeah getting some kind of big sandwich and then having pasta for dinner you doing that for 10 years how long does it take you to get out of the cycle I I actually done this with my patients for decades and I created a program called the 10 10day detox diet and essentially it’s it’s 10 days of treating food addiction and I wrote a book about it called the tday detox side I have an online program starting actually in January if you want go to 10day detox.com and essentially guides people through how to reset your biochemistry your hormones your gut microbiome metabolism very quickly through food so one of these patients I had in Cleveland Clinic she lost uh she started the program within three days she was offer insulin so the Cravings go away in two or three days you feel shitty for two or three three days and then you start reducing symptoms and what happens is when you take out the bad stuff and put in the good stuff you see changes across your whole system because you know when I talk about food as a root cause it’s root cause for so many of things people are suffering from so depression and autoimmune diseases and uh gut issues anger I mean yeah it’s amazing and we know sugar causes anger Yes actually the data on this pretty interesting so the amydala is the reptile brain fight ORF flight it’s your it’s your reptilian lizard brain we all have one yeah and we have a frontal lope which is the the grown-up in the broom so you’ve got the the reptile kind of and you’ve got the the grownup the communication there is important so when you when you’re walking down the street and you see if a beautiful woman you say gee I’d like to kiss that woman you don’t do it because you know it’s not a good idea for your marriage right yeah right you have the front going that’s probably not a good idea or gee I like that car over there I’m going to just take that car my car was stolen from my driveway two days ago it was crazy but that’s another story but but you know people don’t have control over their behavior because the migdala and the frontal lobe communication is interrupted by inflammation inflammation in the brain is the root cause of so many of brain issues so depression is inflammation autism is inflammation add is inflammation Alzheimer’s is inflammation of the brain and Chris Palmer is a Harvard psychiatrist who wrote a book called brain energy talking about this and how he cured schizophrenia using a ketogenic diet beinga getting people off of sugar curing schizophrenia yes yes so so we have we I’m saying these things that sound like crazy heretical we can reverse Alzheimer’s reverse diabetes Well they they are heretical by definition they’re heretical doesn’t mean they’re crazy though no I mean the science is there it’s like if you look if you actually look online there’s a National Library of Medicine database called PubMed anybody can search it and you can look at these things and you can look them up they’re online there’s studies done there’s plenty of studies but they don’t ketogen so it sounds like you said so far the ketogenic diet can cure um diabetes Alzheimer’s cancer and now schizophrenia schizophrenia yeah so what I so will you describe the ketogenic diet just to be yeah sure so so basically this is something was developed for epilepsy years ago because when no drugs work for epilepsy neurologists realized that if they put people on a diet where their brain was just running on ketones which is the fuel instead of sugar that the body can run on May were hybrid ACDC the gasoline is carbs and the hybrid electric clean burning fuel is ketones so when you switch to ketones it activates the brain’s uh repair systems it improves mitochondrial function it reduces inflammation it helps cognitive function at every level so I’ve seen it work from autism to alzheimer’s to schizophrenia to depression this is just an all protein diet it’s not all protein it’s fat it’s actually 75% fat olive oil avocados nuts and seeds animal fats Dairy fats and it basically should be a healthy version of it because you can you know eat bacon and that’s not a good idea but you you you can do healthy ketogenic diets that actually improve health and reverse disease and work across all these things so sugar is really driving this big problem sugar and starch and by the way flour bagel I mean I had a I had a um did a a lecture other day and a woman said you know I had a bagel for breakfast I noticed I had a glucose mod on my sugar spiked 70 points you know she’s got a metabolic problem and and you can start to see when you eat these Foods your your your body gets disregulated and when you use use a diet that actually shuts off the Cravings that repairs the metabolic dysfunction that improves insulin sensitivity it doesn’t take long so so it’s shocking in five or 10 days you get we get a 70% reduction from all symptoms and all diseases by people just changing their diet and most people Tucker don’t connect how they feel with what they’re eating they don’t make the connection and so they they they think they’re suffering from all these problems that are related to what they’re eating how why is it so hard for people to maintain uh ketogenic diet it’s a very extreme diet I don’t think you need to be so extreme like a 10day detox is not keto but it does like probably 80 or 90% of the benefit so you get to eat more starty food well let’s just say you just decid I’m going on a keto diet from now until I die yeah well probably probably you know what you want to do is use it to fix the problem and then come off it we we were always doing this historically because we were hunting and Gathering and sometimes we didn’t hunt and gather very well we couldn’t find anything so we would switch into burning fat because we probably have 2 200 calories of sugar stored in our muscles that doesn’t last very long that’ll last a day but we probably have 30 50 60 100,000 calories of fat in our body because we just naturally have fat in our body and that’s a great source of fuel so what happens is the body starts to break down the fat and uses that and that’s what happens when we overnight fast or we do you know ketogenic diet you Swip into this alternative metabolic pathway and that pathway is incredibly helpful for longevity it’s helpful for reversing chronic diseases and across all these diseases we’re seeing the same thing happen so really at the bottom line here is that sugar and starch is the problem in America and it’s in every processed food it’s in what people are eating every day and people have no idea how much they’re consuming and so if you take out all the sugar and all the starch is that the same as keto not necessarily I mean for example you you can if you can take out Ultra processed food and you can stop your liquid sugar calories if you can eat more good fats eat good quality protein lots of fruits and vegetables most of our problems will go away this is not this is not complicated science and so you don’t have to be super extreme but if you are in an extreme situation and you have an extreme disease on your far end at the Spectrum of type 2 diabetes yeah you might need to do that for a while till you fix your metabolism so once you fix your metabolism does the metabolism return to balance 100% I mean yeah I mean you’ve got like I showed you the picture last night that woman she had type diabetes she had heart failure she had hypertension she had kidneys failing she had fatty liver she changed her diet in 3 months she was off all her medications off all her insulin reversed her diabetes reversed her heart failure reversed her kidy KY failure vers liver failing she was on her way to heart and kidney transplant this is not a patient who’s like just slightly broken she’s she’s 66 on her way out and in a year she lost 116 pounds and off all her medication and it wasn’t through rocket science or or through some great new advance and Medicine it was just through applying the basic principles of nutrition and how the syst can you take pretty so like any insulin dependent patient in his 50s can he be cured type one no type one is an autoimmune disease I understand no I’m sorry if you’re on insulin you know you you can probably get 60 to 70% of those people off of insulin or dramatically lower on insulin and you can reverse completely diabetes in in about 60 to 70% of those patients and this is well documented science I’m not you know pulling us out of thin air so why wouldn’t that be a goal well that’s one of what one of the I think that’s one of the things I think the new Administration needs to do is I mean we spend over a billion dollars a day on diabetes and this is a completely avoidable problem and is the biggest driver again of all these problems if you have diabetes you’re four times likely to get Alzheimer’s more likely to get cancer more likely to get heart attacks all the things are caused by this fundamental problem of sugar and starch in your diet and so I think that the federal government should initiate a diabetes reversal campaign across HHS and health and human services and fund these trials and demonstration projects show this works and then scale it up because this is a solvable problem you know I can’t I can’t fix Middle East uh crisis I can’t you know end the war in Ukraine I I you know prevent War but this is a solvable problem the answers are clear the solutions are clear we did an interview with a woman called Casey means she’s a Stanford educated surgeon and really one of the most remarkable people I have ever met in the interview she explained how the food that we eat produced by huge food companies big food in conjunction with Pharma is destroying our health making this a weak and sick country the levels of chronic disease are beyond belief what Casey means who we’ve not stopped thought thinking about ever since is the co-founder of a healthcare technology company called levels and we are proud to announce today that we are partnering with levels and by proud I mean sincerely proud levels is a really interesting company and a great product it gives you insight into what’s going on inside your body your metabolic Health it helps you understand how the food that you’re eating the things that you’re doing every single day are affecting your body body in real time and you don’t think about it you have no idea what you’re putting in your mouth and you have no idea what it’s doing to your body but over time you feel weak and tired and Spacey and over an even longer period of time you can get really sick so it’s worth knowing what the food you eat is doing to you the levels app works with something called a continuous glucose monitor a CGM you can get one as part of the planner you can bring your own it doesn’t matter but the bottom line is Big Tech big Pharma and and big food combined together to form an incredibly malevolent Force pumping you full of garbage unhealthy food with artificial sugars and hurting you and hurting the entire country so with levels you’ll be able to see immediately what all this is doing to you you get access to real-time personalized data and that’s a critical step to changing your behavior those of us who like Oreos can tell you firsthand this isn’t talking to your doctor in annual physical looking backwards about things you did in the past this is up to the second information on how your body is responding to different foods and activities the things that give you stress your sleep etc etc it’s easy to use it gives you powerful personalized Health Data then you can make much better choices about how you feel and over time it’ll have a huge effect right now you can get an additional two free months when you go to levels. link Tucker that’s levels. link Tucker this is the beginning of what we hope will be a long and happy partnership with levels and Dr Casey means so I buy everything you’re saying it’s I I think it’s demonstrably true you can feel it in yourself yeah um and you know one anomaly does not disprove a general truth yeah but Donald Trump is that one anomaly I would say disgus you know I don’t if you remember UB Blake he was a musician and uh he you know smoked and drank and did all these you Aid crap he says if I would have known I was going to live so long I would have taken better care of myself and I I think you know there are people I a father like that I mean there are people who just like Madame clar she lived to 122 years old she smoked she drank she ate tons of chocolate she was never married maybe that was her secret but she was the oldest living human ever yes and you know some some people just have genes that make them go no matter what and so I would like to see what his blood work says I would like to know what’s going on under the hood I mean that would be amazing and certainly would love to help anybody be healthy I I take care of everybody you know when one day in my office I had a uh a Muslim I had a chief Rabbi I had a a top Democrat a top Republican I had a Christian Pastor I was like you know it was so funny but I’m I’m a doctor I take care of humans and you know biology is bipartisan we we all are human we all suffer from the same things but there are genetic anomalies yeah there are because I just had an ice cream Sunday with with Trump like three days ago I’m off the ice cream Sundays for a while thank you got to get off him but um he’s 25 years older than I am yeah and I’m not just saying this I’m not sucking up I I wouldn’t say anything if this weren’t true but the guy’s sharp actually sharp really precise recall fast funny yeah and you know yeah pretty good shape 79 chap like w that that’s just a freak of nature thing I think it is you know I think it is I mean I think you know uh would I love him to get healthy and everybody to get healthy yes that’s my job I’m a doctor but uh if he’s managing and doing great I what can I say but but for most of us that’s not going to work I can feel that it’s not going to work for me no it’s not most of us are more in the human realm he’s an anomaly that’s why sorry I just had to say that because I was like yeah yeah yeah you’re right um I I don’t I don’t know if anybody’s really had a chance to I talk to him about his health and health risks and how he could do better but you know I don’t know I don’t I don’t know how you do how we do that job at 78 years old but he’s he’s crushing it it looks like yeah yeah so he’s not like and by the way most I’ve known a lot of people who have been president and none of them are kind of normal no it’s it’s an unusual job it takes a lot to get there it’s a certain kind of person yeah there I don’t know the last time we had a president die in office it’s been quite some time but it seems to kind of suspend maybe it’s the intensity W Wilson had a stroke but that yeah no but he he he made it out of well his wife was President right right well we we have that now actually but um but they still keep going I don’t know so you think that after all the the powerful forces you’ve described to raid against himby Kennedy can can can still wi I do I think I think what what what’s going on now in America is is an Awakening I think there’s an awareness that the trust in our medical system and science system has been broken it needs to be repaired it needs Integrity it needs someone yes calling out the conflicts of interest and these s good sence being produced and I think you know with with the understanding that now we’re in this crones crisis that he’s so well articulated and people like Casey and Cali on your podcasts have done that I’ve done for decades that somehow it’s getting through that this is never an issue this was never an issue in any I’ve been crying from rooftops for 30 years I feel like I’ve been his voice crying in the wilderness and now it’s unbelievable to to me to see must be pretty cool for you to see this it’s unbelievable and I and I see that there’s an awaking in America that people are sick and tired of being sick and tired they they’re seeing everybody in their family sick they’re seeing the rise of all the diseases they know something’s broken they know the drugs and the current system is not fixing it the way it is it needs to be fixed and and we need somebody to lead this and I think you know Bobby has his issues and his controversies and his questions but at at the very heart I think he’s he’s focused on the right thing which is focusing on the root causes of our chronic epidemic focusing on the problems with our food system with our egg system and and that is a right thing to be doing and I think the federal government has enormous power to actually change us through a whole series of different actions across different agencies that that all can work together to make a difference and I’m I’m thinking this is now going to happen I think we can provide for these things across all the agencies and they’re not like hard things right we can we can improve snap we can improve school lunches we can improve our dietary guidelines and fund those and we have dietary guidelines for Americans there’s no funding for them they the Congress mandates that they produce every five years I met with the guidelines people in HHS they said we have to go around with a Tin Cup to the other departments to beg for nickels to actually fund our work because we don’t get any Federal funding to create the dietary guidelines nor does n the National Academy of Science medicine and Engineering which is supposed to review the literature and be an independent scientific body looking at the nutritional research doesn’t have the funding to do basic literature reviews and science reviews to actually inform the dietary guidelines so there’s no money in the process and there’s no money to implement the guidelines to actually create uh awareness and implementation Across America for what we should be eating so the whole system is is sort of broken and we need to sort of rejigger that we can find I don’t know how many billions of dollars we spent on you know forever Wars I mean we’re talking about a few million dollars like a few millions of dollars could make a profound difference in actually getting the right things done so we have the ability to change what’s happening in the dod as well you know with with the military Readiness and and performance and performance enh enhancement and I’ve been working with special ops forces on some of this stuff and and you know the military starting to understand that this is an issue and shift some of their policies you know the the NIH needs to fund again NE research which probably have a National Institute of nutrition like many other countries have we shouldn’t allow funding for medical schools that don’t actually provide nutrition curriculum so we should you know um have our agricultural system supporting Farmers to transition to regen of Agriculture and produce healthier food and Revitalize its communities and stop their their extreme decline into sort of financial ruin and suicide I mean why why is there a 350% higher risk of suicide in Farmers you know that’s ridiculous and that’s because of of our policies and what we’re doing and how they’re squeezed so we have across all the agencies such tremendous power to make simple changes that can really transform America front and package labeling we can do front and package labeling inform people about what’s in their food like they have in other countries you know get out the stuff and the European Union has has really clear clearly identified the most harmful chemicals in our food get them out of our food I mean you go to Europe or you go to uh Canada you don’t see the same product with the same ingredients like Froot Loops you know there’s a big 400,000 person petition against Froot Loops because their their us product was full of all kinds of dieses and colors whereas in Canada use you know uh there use carrot dye or use you know blueberry dye or other things to make it colorful not not harmful dieses that are banned in other countries so these companies already do it why shouldn’t they do it in America if you get craft macaroni cheese in America it’s got dyes in it that they don’t allow in Europe so they do the same companies are making the product they just do it don’t do it here because it’s cheaper yeah so we so we need to just enforce these standards and we should adopt the precautionary principle you know we we shouldn’t allow things in our food that we don’t know are healthy or or or that we don’t know are are good for you if they’re harmful um we should know about it so the study should be done to prove that they’re safe and effective rather than just approving them and then waiting and seeing if they’re harmful and then taking them off the market which is kind of what we do it’s it’s different than the precautionary principle which is you know you’re guilty until proven innocent here you’re innocent to proven guilty which is fine in the court of law for a human being but not for a food additive or chemical that could harm human health what do you do about doctors I haven’t been the doctor in a long time because so distressed because I’ve seen so many doctors recklessly prescribe drugs that have destroyed people’s lives yeah um Aderall or benzoin or ssris all stuff it’s like it seems like an incredibly Reckless group of people they’ve have no moral Authority left from my perspective but we need doctors with moral Authority who practice science like what how do you change that listen I I would say tucker that most doctors went into medicine to do good I think that’s right and there’s a they didn’t go cuz it’s easy no I the well-meaning are often ill doing and and they’re they’re caught up in a system that are that is is is kind of coopted them and I and it took me a while to get deprogrammed I was programmed by medical school I was taught that you know this is this is this Bastion of science that everything is pure and clean there’s no conflict that everything you read in the scientific paper is true that that you know Pharmaceuticals are the solution to our problems I mean this is what we were taught and and and we were taught Pharmaceuticals are the solution to our problems yeah I mean what did the doctor’s toolkit it’s a knife and a and a Prescription Pad that’s it yeah and if you have cancer it’s radiation right so basically we don’t have a hell of a lot of tools and and if you take away a doctor’s prescription pad how do they practice medicine but I almost never pull out my prescription pad I don’t need to because lifestyle and food are the best drugs on the planet they’re not like drugs they work better than any other drugs like exercise diet sleep these are profoundly foundational to our health and we have a we have a a disease system not a health system we have a we don’t have a medical system that’s based on the signs of creating Health we have a system that’s based on the science of diagnosing and treating diseases rather than looking at their root causes so part of the problem is is in the education and I think doctors want to do the right thing and they’re frustrated and I can tell you by being on the inside because you know I’m C clinic for 10 years people come out of the woodwork they’re like this is great we we want to change we we need to understand how to do things differently Toby cosgro who is this the most Visionary CEO in medicine he was asked by you know the Biden Administration the Trump Administration everybody to work for him he like everybody wants him and he brought CL Clinic to be you know the number two uh Center of healthc care in the world Mayo Clinic you know and him were they in competition he said Mayo was what you put on your sandwich it was very funny but he I met him at the world economic forum and I said Toby what what if I could empty out half your hospitals and cut your anop plasties and bypasses in half and they’re the number one hard Hospital in the world he said that would be a great idea I said why you’re going to cut your Revenue in half what are you going to do about that he said we’ll figure it out it’s the right thing to do so he invited me to come and and I would I mean like I didn’t want to go to Cleveland and he he had a good life and he says I want you to come and I’ll give you whatever you want but let’s do this we need to address chronic disease differently the way we’re doing it is wrong we need to think differently and he he gave me car blanch and we we built a center we had done tons of research and we showed that the model works and and it really gets you know gets into the root of the problem and so there is a shift in medicine there are doctors who are flocking to this there are people who are understanding this syst is broken but but it’s it’s a tough cell for some people CU there’s so so brainwashed it’s like if the Earth is flat you convince the Earth is flat and you can’t convince people otherwise and you know we’re still arguing over things like Evolution you know 150 years later I mean we’re still arguing over the worth is flat there’s people who are flat earthers you know it’s like so this is a problem in medicine there’s a scientific Paradigm change that needs to happen and doctors are starting to get that this is true and I I think it’s it’s it’s not that they’re trying to do something harmful or bad they’re just stuck in a system and they need to get liberated and and I I met with Kathleen cilus when I was going around trying to get these policies in Obamacare around lifestyle change said this is a great idea you know if we if we cre these lifestyle change programs for Medicare people are going to get better they’re healthier we’re going to reduce healthcare costs and improve Healthcare outcomes she said but who’s going to know how to do it I said don’t worry about that because if you pay for it people will figure it out if you pay for an anoplasty if you pay for an anoplasty doctors are going to learn how to do angop plasties right you don’t have to worry about that if you pay for a a lifestyle intensive change program that works better than I mean this woman I I was telling you about she she she had $20,000 a co-pay I don’t know what her other medications cost for the insurance or the Healthcare System plus she was in on the hospital all the time we probably saved the Healthcare System a million bucks I got paid $200 visit we don’t get the benefit as doctors for doing the right thing we get benefit for doing the wrong thing we we get benefit for paying more I mean for doing more not doing the right thing so it’s a it’s a reimbursement base system based on fever service and throughput not based on outcomes imagine if you were making cars and and you had a car company that produced cars that didn’t work or they got at that you know you drove off the lot and they just fell apart after a few years or they had to come back constantly to get fixed every month you wouldn’t have a car company but that’s what we do inic that’s what we do in medicine we have we have a system that doesn’t really fix the problem and people you know are not are not are not actually getting the solutions that the science has work like the things we’ve been talking about on the show so I think we have a historic opportunity now I mean it’s fra right there’s going to beill there’s trillions of dollars at stake here Tucker trillions of dollars in the food industry in the egg industry the fast food companies all these companies are are are going to be frightened about this and they they are already circling the wagons they’re already coming around Washington Working on discrediting everybody in this in this Administration they’re pushing back hard because they because they know Day of Reckoning is coming and I I think it’s time I mean the American people should not be the victims of this system like I said 93% of us are somewhere in that spectrum of pre-diabetes to type two diabetes that’s frightening to me as a doctor I mean that that’s just like what when I was when I was in medical school this wasn’t a problem there was no juvenile diabetes that where kids had type2 diabetes this didn’t exist yeah and this is I’m not that old I mean old I’m not that old um so walking look at the pictures of Woodstock from August of 69 yeah you know exactly 150,000 shirtless you were there young I was born uh and you can see their ribs all over yeah exactly you know so this is not a genetic problem you’ve got you know scientists from Harvard saying this obesity is genetic is not I mean there are genetic predispositions is that and what is the celebration of unhealth that you’ve seen for the last four years and attacking people who try to stay fit as right wing there some it’s a political category to be healthy yeah I what is that I mean the body positive movement or you mean yeah it’s the most negative thing I’ve ever seen of course it’s mislabeled like everything how is it positive to encourage people to be unhealthy I mean you know do you know there was a number I think it was in the who’s paying for that it was in Washington Post or W Street joural they did a whole sort of series of articles on how the food industry has sort of hijacked uh the media so they talked about how 40% of the nutritionists who are on social media are paid by the food industry to promote false Concepts like don’t worry about how many calories you’re eating eat whatever you want indulge yourself you know it’s it’s really quite striking how how deliberate their actions are and and so I think I think the sad the sad thing is that people are are actually been manipulated by the food system in a way that they can’t 40% of the nutritionists on social media are paid by food company yeah this was an expose that I think it was in the uh Washington Post and it was was like and you see it and it’s and so the they’re they’re they’re not so Sarah Lee is paying nutritionist I don’t know if it’s Sarah Le or who but it’s it’s you know I mean 40% of the budget of the American Academy nutrition dietetics is paid for by the food industry and they have panels uh where where you’ve got people from McDonald’s and Coca-Cola on thean so you’re saying that most Physicians want to do good the world and help but if you’re I’m sorry if you’re a nutritionist taking money from you know the baked good in Industry yeah it’s not good I mean I you must know that you’re corrupt because that’s corrupt that’s so obviously corrupt it it I I I guess I’m not taking money from George Soros no and if I were I would I would know that I was corrupt exactly so it’s it’s it’s it’s how the system is rigged and and unfortun but the people participating in that system were also culpable sorry I think so I mean I think you know they’re I think for sure those are nutritionists I think doctors are stuck because they they wanted the right thing they don’t have the education of what to do they don’t know how to do it and they’re they’re only told one thing which is these drugs work for these problems and give these prescriptions and like I said at the beginning we’ve seen dramatic rises in all chronic diseases and a even more dramatic rise in the use of prescription medications for those diseases which we’re not getting better we’re 48th in life expectancy we spend more than double any other Nation on Joe Rogan I I gave us a slide to a friend of mine Cali and he gave it to Trump or gave it to somebody else to gave it to Trump that he used Onre Rogan which showed know the life expectancy in America and the cost of our Healthcare expenditures we’re completely kind of off off the chart so so life expecting is going down other countries are high we’re spending twice as much as anybody else it must be nice to live long enough to be Vindicated you know van go never got that but you have yeah I mean I I listen I’m optimistic Tucker I think we’re in a moment where where the country is ready for change where the country understands we have this Health crisis where they’re willing to sort of make changes and I think if if if the politicians in Congress uh understand these issues I think they’ll make they’ll make the right to choices I think if they have um the the support of the American people which I think they they do they can make choices that are difficult and and and often against the people who are their campaigns or F funding their super packs and you know we we have to realize we have a bought and paid for system and and it’s unfortunate but I think that the problem’s gotten big enough we have to face it and deal with it Dr Markman thank you very much appreciate my [Music] pleasure so it turns out that YouTube is suppressing our show I know shocking that in an election year with everything at stake Google would be putting its thumb on the scale and preventing you from hearing anything that the people in charge don’t want 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