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so this is a tweet from you I don’t normally read people’s tweets but in standing with Ukraine the Biden Harris Administration convinced them Ukraine to abandon a peace deal that would have seed only half of the territory that Russia now occupies and for that opportunity to lose twice as much of their Homeland they paid with tens of thousands of innocent lives we did this to control the 11 trillion of minerals under the dbas we did it to grind down the Russian war machine on the Grist of Ukrainian teenagers we did it to hand out hundreds of billions of dollars to US hedge funds who are as we speak carving up rights to Ukraine’s fertile soil and vast mineral resources the truth is the United States has never stood with the people of Ukraine that is simply a jingle an ad campaign broadcast to those who have never been there designed to sell taxpayers on the appeal of prolonging War for profit we have cost Ukraine her territory we have cost Ukraine her children the warhawks and the bankers are no friends to Ukraine whoa I was applauding as I read that alone in my truck [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] I mean it’s a horror it’s a horror and we are I would just allocated another 100 billion I mean it’s and where is the end game but how did you get here how did you get I mean I you’re were from uh you know the same city basically and you were CI officer and you’re just from a world in which that is an extremely unpopular never uttered sentiment how did you get to that well part of it is pattern recognition right I mean yes we have done this before and you know it’s just how many times can you uh weighed through years and years of a war with absolutely no stated at endgame and and dwindling public support and mounting civilian casualties and disintegrating Homeland because all of your money is being spent you know fueling Weaponry to blow up over foreign Skies um and continue to print more money to pay for it uh and the answer the last time around was 20 years and I I want to make sure it’s not again because you know here we are at $33 trillion worth of debt and we’re now paying more on those interest payments every year than we are on defense completely unsustainable and most importantly are the human lives yes tens of thousands of people who won’t you know proverbially dance at their children’s wedding that’s right and see the sunrise and drink a cup of coffee and it’s just that part of it is completely lost and when you when you hear our generals and our political leaders saying don’t you understand this is a great thing we are achieving this strategic aim of uh diminishing Russian military reserves and we don’t even have to put a person on the ground you know what they are saying is that those Ukrainian children and now you know old men and anyone else that they can put up against the front line are lesser children of God than our own that we would send over there and um you know that doesn’t fly with me so it’s repugnant yeah and I know you don’t want to talk about yourself but I’m because I do I think I understand your background pretty well um I just I’m fascinated by the fact that you are saying this and that no one uh very few people in the world from which honestly we both come are saying anything like this and so what what how did how did you reach this conclusion of course it’s pattern recognition you’re saying it’s common sense like how could you not reach this conclusion I agree with you but how is it that almost no one else in Washington is saying anything like this yeah I mean I wish they would and I think some of them are seeing it you know uh in the privacy of their own conversations um but I came to it you know after 911 there was kind of a suspension of opposition to war in our country that yes you know maybe has has never L up I mean there’s some recognition now that that poor choices were made there but in the moment when you know France was objecting and we decided to call french fries Freedom fries and you know that there was a a a real hunger for war and I remember gleefully participating in that to my shame yes I I it was a collective psychosis maybe a grieving process or you know and for me I’d just 911 happened as I was going into my last year um at University and I I went to Oxford overseas and it started in October so I was home for it my mom lived in DC at the time and I had a whole plan I was going to go to Thailand after graduation and do human rights journalism and I sort of had a background there and on the Ty bur Muse border before uh before school and everything changed as it did for so many in our generation I think um on September 11th and for me I I had lost one of my best friends in third grade um on the flight that blew up over Locka Scotland and it brought a lot of that back and I think hearing the war drums beating for me I hadn’t oddly enough heard much about the intelligence world I mean I didn’t I didn’t know many of the things that I know now I don’t think I probably would have gone into it if I had but I liked the idea of a kind of a secret diplomatic service I lik the idea that rather than conduct an incredibly expensive kinetic War expensive both in terms of lives and treasure that you could find out about something before it happened and prevent the attack from happening in the first place um which admittedly was a kind of naive early 20’s understanding of of the intelligence business but at its best you know that is what it does or what it intends to do I think where they get into tremendous trouble um is I’m tempted to say Mission creep but actually it was kind of built in to the entire ossca history but is when rather than going in and actually reporting what is happening in every corner of the world uh they are making it happen yes so it’s not really intelligence gathering it’s a it’s a kind of secret military right I mean rather than reporting that a coup is about to take place you know for absolute sure it’s about to take right and um that has not worked out in 100% of cases as far as I can tell and uh and yet again we never learn our lesson I mean you look at what’s happening in the Middle East now you know what 70 years on um post MC and every oh if only we had a democratically elected leader in Iran we did you know and I people may or may not agree with with each of these governments but they are for the people of each country to work through we had our own revolution in this country it was a very important um you know stealing of our national values and I think you have to go through that yourself and I I worry in Iran that we’re you know hearing the beginnings of that again with this kind of royalist sentiment monarchist sentiment of you know well the human rights abuses there are so egregious that anything would be justified and it just it does know one any favors so I mean what you’re describing is conceptual corruption like a Corruption of of first principles if the point of your foreign policy is to spread democracy you can’t end democracy in the name of Dem I mean you just that’s that’s ins say and no one says that yeah unless you’re the Democratic Party in the United States these days who seem to be you know have cut their teeth on ending democracy to save it overseas and now are practicing the same Theory here in the United States where they’ve told us for the last two years you know Donald Trump is such a threat to democracy that we must stage of palis coup you know replace our candidate with someone who hasn’t received a single vote undermine every other candidate of our own party and every other party in the courts censor American citizens undermine the Constitution all in order to save democracy so I think what we what we reap overseas we sew it or what we sow overseas we reap at home and we’re in the midst of that does seem like our foreign policy drives our domestic policy or that there isn’t actually much of a domestic policy there’s not a great concern about what happens in the United States in Washington I have noticed I came to this over 40 years of watching but um it that maybe was inevitable if you start overthrowing democratically elected governments abroad why wouldn’t over time you think that’s acceptable in your own country acceptable maybe even Noble I mean you know the lies people tell themselves in order to persist with what is ultimately an incredibly profitable business model um but also you know if you’re end is stability and you tell yourself that stability requires control you know and that there need to be small shortterm sacrifices and I think we really are seeing that bear out in our domestic politics where increasingly I’m seeing the first amendment is an obstacle does the Constitution you know actually serve us these kinds of questions and articles coming out in the media and um Democratic leaders and I think it really is a symptom of what we have been um spreading around the world and the results are plain to see you know I mean we had more Americans slip into poverty over the last two years than I think any year in the last 50 we uh our nuclear clock you know we’ve ticked closer to midnight than at any time since its Creation in 1947 uh more more people died around the world in the first two years of Biden Harris from war in violence than in all four years of Donald Trump which I I think people don’t really recognize and not even just because of Ukraine even if you take Ukraine out of it and so I think that you know the insecurity that that we see there and then the fact that at home we have more children living in poverty than any Rich Nation except for Romania our life expectancy sits right above Algeria you know in the 1990s if you were born in the United States you could expect to live as long as in any other pure nation and now you die six years earlier you know six years of hanging out with your grandchildren and watching the sunrise on your porch has just been robbed through absolute utter lack of leadership on domestic Health priorities and um and I it’s really time for a shakeup um everything you said is uh so nicely put and true I wonder because you know a lot of the you know you know a lot of the people operating our current foreign policy and you worked at one of the agencies Prosecuting that foreign policy like did you detect these attitudes when you worked there when you worked at CIA did you get the sense that people felt it would be okay to interfere in domestic politics in the US well they were sure keen on doing it in other countries um and used a lot of the same tactics I never witnessed any tendency to do it in the US at all but it also you know I was working very specifically around I worked UK liaison and then um worked operationally uh on uh nonproliferation but specifically Within in the context of non-state actors so very focused overseas watch the exact same Playbook of going in finding underfunded uh newspapers and radio stations and TV shows you know a benefactor would arrive with funding um and all of a sudden you know that mouthpieces is presenting stories in a light that you know aligns with US foreign policy or the the preferences of of whatever leader is in power here and I think that we are seeing that across the board in media except for New Media like this and that’s been a godsend um you think that we’re seeing federal agencies Intel agencies um influencing American Media surreptitiously absolutely I don’t think that it’s in as I mean I doubt they’re actually investors um there there are layers of this right I mean you see at the most basic level it’s uh you run the story for me and I’ll give you the best tip the next time that I have a leak right which is the oldest Exchange in the world well maybe the second oldest um and I’ve seen it and it goes on you know every day but there’s no doubt that there are also actual formal sources throughout the media and always have been you know what does that mean a formal Source in the media I mean you know an asset somebody that would be paid by intelligence organizations to uh to work on their behalf play stories on their behalf and of course that happens you know all across the world um but when it happens in the United States then it’s the end of democracy of course well look I mean we have cesa operating basically a jira ticketing system for any tweet that the White House chooses to that they would like to see deleted even if it’s ingest even if it’s satire they just put it in the tick can you explain what sis is yeah well what’s interesting about s is that it you know it’s a um a part of the Department of Homeland Security but it’s supposed to protect our INF our nation’s infrastructure from Terror attacks and at the beginning of the Biden Administration a decision was made that information is infrastructure oh it is now is it which has you know an orwellian Tang to it um and as a result in order to secure it um you know cisa was quietly empowered with the ability sometimes directly and sometimes through NGO cutouts um to present to all the social media companies and Wikipedia and Amazon uh any content that was flagged as concerning and they they you know bolo alerts when I be on the lookout uh and they held weekly meetings and said You know here here put put an enormous amount of financial pressure on these companies saying you know that their legal protections uh from liability would be withdrawn if they didn’t cooperate um naming and shaming them if they took you know longer than a week to respond on something from the podium in the White House and uh Mark Zuckerberg has You Know spoken publicly and and written um about the degree of pressure that he felt to censor American people and we’re now seeing UK’s labor party doing the exact same thing here in our own country which is you know in some ways more egregious and uh and in other ways you know what you mean so UK the labor party uh which is currently in power in the UK um has a series of NOS that it funds and directs um that have waged war on Free Speech especially what they call um Twitter under musk or musk’s Twitter that they have gone into multiple offices uh Amy kashar kamla Harris and said you know that they want to participate in and provide support for destroying musk’s Twitter and you know this is wait they would be the dreaded foreign actor interfering in our democracy correct that we’re always hearing so much about it turns out to be the Brits turns out to be the Brits uh you know and many others right but there nobody’s fighting them because labor has just sent you know I think 30 people over to campaign for C Comm har is that legal that seems like foreign interference in our evidently their their approach is that as long as you’re not donating money as if you’re out on the if you’re out on the campaign Trail volunteering that it’s legal but uh you know certainly unwise in my opinion because uh you know if president Trump wins this election which he’s looking very likely to do right now um you know it’s it’s an improper way to conduct Foreign Relations right you don’t go to another country and campaign for a particular candidate for office yeah or try and shut down their most basic rights I mean the first amendment as everybody always says it’s first for a reason the Constitution you know was written a decade later but largely in response to our secession from Great Britain to come and to meddle with that Constitution um in our own country and of course this follows suit um with some of the challenges that we’re seeing Free Speech face in the United Kingdom where people are being thrown in prison for 10 months for two years and so forth for uh for social media posts for talking yeah you’re half English you were educated heavily in England I love England and and and by the way that does not reflect England U or or Great Britain it is a a very small um group of leaders there who have aligned themselves with a very small group of leaders here in the same way that censorship and and undermining the Constitution does not reflect the American people and yet our leaders persist in doing it so um are you are you surprised as you look across and see what’s happening there I am I mean I I have a law degree um from Oxford on you know in English law and it was always clear that you know it’s not a written Constitution it’s much more based in precedent but that there is a deep and abiding respect going back to the Magna Carta for uh civil liberties and the idea that an a flood of immigration which you know we must take a measure of accountability for because largely our going into Iraq was was what began that entire sh shift in the demographics of Europe um would have such an impact it’s fall in the Northeast and that means grous season I got up at 500 a.m. yesterday to take my dogs out to hunt for some rough grous and before I left I went to my safe to pull out my grandmother’s 28 gauge yes my grandmother was a bird 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true Beyond debate but I think it’s underappreciated oh yeah we broke the world for I used to say we broke the world for 20 years but here we are and I think you know the the ramifications were continuing to deal with and they you know they they compound because as a result of of that um you know we have brexit we have uh many of the pressures that have led um to the Ukraine war and as a result of that uh we’re facing I think really unprecedented dangers in this country that are also greatly underappreciated and we will respond to if they happen and I think that escalatory cycle is what um Keeps Us trapped in in the bad decision-making and you know I remember at the time in Iraq it was you know six months we’ll be out they’ll greet us as Heroes and the same thing was said in Ukraine and we find ourselves in these quag Myers without realizing that yes there’s a body count and by the way that is generally largely lied about and hidden oh for sure but then there’s this vastly higher body count of those whose lives have been uprooted and who have either died early as as a result of you know migration or deaths of Despair this the same with lockdowns um and those numbers are incredibly hard to ever even Peg down and when you look at the millions and millions displaced I mean Brown University pegs the the global war on terrorism as um having killed or led to the deaths of 800,000 civilians and that is goes so far beyond what the US will will speak to and then the the those that were forced to migrate are in the many millions and when you take homogeneous you know Europe is a is balkanized but each of each element there is accustomed to being very homogeneous and those are the indigenous populations of the continent right and when you know when I was in when I was at Georgetown um at I did um my masters at the school of Foreign Service there and the um the focus of my thesis was trying to get very quantitative about predicting terrorism because at the time it was a very squishy subject it was post 911 and it was mostly qualitative the way people were describing it and one of the one of the closest cories that I could find to being um predictive was the ratio between cab bars and madrasas but not just the ratio the rate at which it changed and that is I think deeply underappreciated it’s not that they don’t necessarily plan to at some point have their demographics look different right but when it’s forced so quickly that nobody can absorb the pace of change matters we can’t metabolize it people are not designed for this pace of change at all it really really matters um whatever you know that’s it that madrasa bars and uh hookah bars are um in the Middle Eastern context but when you look at what we’re experiencing in the US where you have kids who’ve just come back from a pandemic than being sent home again to do Zoom school so that their classrooms can be used to house migrants or uh you know hotels all being shut for the same purpose while veterans sleep under bridges on the streets it’s it the scale of it and the the Deluge is what makes it impossible for any society to absorb and that doesn’t make it you know that doesn’t make it racist it doesn’t make it wrong um it it’s human nature to need time and and the nature of economies and societies to need time to be able to expand and adapt and I think uh our going into Iraq Afghanistan a little bit though in the early days that was actually pretty well managed before before it sprawled but 2003 I think was really the beginning of this era where we were shifting you know we’re talking about a rules-based order and breaking every single rule in that rules-based order and then having utter disregard for the social chaos that was resulting exactly exactly exactly and and people’s need which is inherent uh for order and predictability and continuity in their lives and their communities we always talk about communities nobody actually cares about communities they’ll blow them up uh in a heartbeat so can I just ask you but there’s so many threads but um just to get back to what Drew you into this kind of amazing life that you’ve lived uh which was 911 um I don’t understand sincer don’t understand maybe you do why 23 years later when you know every regime in place in 2001 is now different including the Saudi government yeah um why we would have so many classified documents from that time what what’s the excuse for that I don’t get that at all I mean why do we still have classified documents from the 60s oh I completely agree but because 911 was you know was the world changing event of our lifetimes I think it’s fair to say in retrospect I I don’t understand the justification for that and I don’t know why nobody demands like want to declassify it like why shouldn’t it’s our country all these people died we should know right and I I agree entirely and I agree I mean the same applies for the 60s I think ultimately you know when most Americans go to work for a third of their working week they are working for the government they are working they are taking that money having spent the day away from their family sacrificing whatever they would prefer to be doing and they don’t get to keep any of it they turn it all over to the government the government works for the people directly I mean they are directly paid by the people and if your boss asks what you’ve been doing and you know you say sorry I can’t tell you it’s classified um it doesn’t cut it you know and sure you know are there are there moments where you know the actual identity of a source who’s you know preventing nuclear war with the Russians is at stake sure but they’re actually quite few and far between and you know I think there is um a bureaucratic inertia here some of it is some of it is C and some of it is you know probably more nefarious than that but there is also a lot of bureaucratic inertia it’s one of the reasons I’m excited about the prospect of Elon getting in there but to to do some surgery on on some of that bureaucracy but you know CIA 101 when you start you have this one week you know fill out your tax forms get the same as you would with any other job like nothing sexy about it at all there is just here’s the insurance program and and the person who’s going to work in you know the coffee shop is sitting next to someone who’s about to go down to the farm it’s just everybody goes through it and the email client that you use there looks a lot like Gmail I mean it’s provided by Google and it has all the normal fields and then an additional field that’s for um for classification and it’s a a drop- down menu and it when it first drops down it’s all checkboxes with their own you know sub subsets and it’s hundreds of different classifications all different numbers and codes and you can hover over them and they say when to use them um but but there are a lot and we were told in that first day you know in that first uh course you know just to make it easy on yourself pick HCS 404 checkbox it hit save as favorites it’ll come up every time and then you don’t have to worry about it well that’s you know human compartmented sensitive information it’s usually reserved for you know the actual identity address or identifying details of a source that whose life could be in danger for what they’re doing and yet here it’s being used for you know I’ll meet you at 4:30 at Dunkin Donuts and everything in between good and bad nefarious and not and the problem with that is that it is completely exempt from any declassification threshold ever and as a result of this kind of administrative tweak which was is either just to save people time or maybe to you know reduce the number of things that will ever eventually be published now you have class after class after class of CIA officers that you know just chronically make sure that every single email they ever write will never see the light of day and I think that is being done across government so literally the default is secrecy from the public yeah the default is you will never know you never know how much money was spent what it was spent on whether it was legal you know whether you spent that Tuesday away from your family working to pay taxes and those taxes went to kill someone or went to save someone’s life there’s no no accountability and there’s no way to no and there’s no way to no and there could be right I I have a lot of respect for um for the role of intelligence agencies in Saving Lives and in preventing conflict and attacks I think they are actually far more valuable in that than many people realize because they have so sullied their name by getting into all kinds of other business that that they shouldn’t be doing um but there is a very valuable role for them and in that there are some things that do you know need to remain secret but 20 years later 40 years later 60 years later you know that then it becomes about quote unquote preserving trust in our institutions right continuing to Li you you know code for if you knew what we did then you would shut us down now you know and um is I assume that’s the motive behind continuing to classify documents from 1963 in the Kennedy well it’s sure not sources and methods right I mean if it is then you know we’ve got we need we need to update our sources and methods but there it’s not I mean from time to time they they will say this is about protecting allies of course I think we would all want to know if if there were allies or any other Nation States involved in what happened in the 60s or what happened in 911 so it protecting anyone above the American people who you work for doesn’t really make a lot of sense they’ll actually say it’s to protect allies well not about a specific operation but as a reason for long-term classification when pushed yeah that’s pretty outrageous that they would admit that I mean so the interest of a foreign country are more important than the interest of the American people I think their I think their kind of argument would be if I were to steal man it eventually the American people will be protected by something that we need from that Ally some kind of you know security collaboration or whatever we might need down the road and therefore you know we must keep that relationship strong um and again if it is the identity of somebody who’s working with you whose family is going to be in danger that is absolutely true and maybe that’s still true 40 years later you know it’s possible that it is in certain circumstances but how about how about 61 years later yeah I mean less and less likely what do you think that’s about the assassinations of the 60s yes oh I could talk to you about that all day I bet um you’ve intersected with it on various levels in I have yeah and um and I feel something of a responsibility to to get to the bottom of that at least in my lifetime for my children you know I mean my my daughter Bobcat is Bobby I fourth um so her great-grandfather was RFK and um and I don’t I want to be able to look at her and and for her to know whether or not her own government was involved in these assassinations and if so what’s been done about it to make sure that that never ever happens again that there’s never a coup like that in this country again and I think when you look at the collap oration that was going on in those days between the intelligence community and organized crime and the mob you know there there were very blurry boundaries and um I worry that today the cartels have kind of taken the mob’s role in that world the cartoon meaning the Latin American Drug cartoons do you you think that the US government is working with the cartels I I mean working with is a is Broad right I mean the the intelligence community’s job is to protect the American people and sometimes they interpret that as requiring um collaboration with criminal elements with Terror organizations um ostensibly as part of cover to you know to complete an operation that will save American lives or provide information that you know would be helpful to American leaders um clearly in the 60s that ended up being uh manipulated into a broader collaboration that allowed US Government um elements to undertake activities that they could not directly undertake by law and you know I think we’ve seen that even with liaison Partnerships um you know it’s clear that five eyes has been used um you know liais on Intelligence liais on Partners have been used to uh surveil leaders in our own government when our intelligence agencies could not do it directly because there’s no prohibition on sharing intelligence right so she get a foreign Intel service to do the work for you and then you get the information right and similarly you get an NGO or a contractor to censor the American people or you get uh a criminal organization to undertake a criminal act that you know you might might not be so Savory for your own officers to do and that you know I I never worked in Latin America so it’s not um it’s not something that I have directly witnessed but I certainly have direct you know knowledge of it happening of the US government collaborating or having some relationship that’s not purely antagonistic with the Mexican Andor other drug cartels sure and I and and I think you know again the Steelman would be this is for the benefit of the American people well it’s always for own good for sure and look there is there an argument for having penetrations in the top of the cartels in the same way that you do at the top of you know the Iranian or Russian or any other adversarial government sure these I mean many of them are as powerful and threatening as as a as a nation state um the problem though is money right and there’s just so much money spinning off of these Enterprise is he the cartels that I mean you could just see corruption happening very easily and I I know one person who was involved in that who who I trust I can’t prove it but who who worked for CIA as a contractor moving over as so many do from the military um and you know he’s told me at Great length about the money uh that CIA was getting from from drug cartels in Latin America and South America in his case I can’t prove that but I was shocked to hear that you don’t seem shocked to hear that well I mean look at Iran Contra you know I mean look at air America and Vietnam like these are it’s not this is not a new pattern for intelligence and when you look at black budgets you know I mean Congress was stunned that there were operations happening in ner and obviously they control the pur strings so who’s funding that right and so that pattern has gone back uh a long way where um where the narcotics trade has uh has funded off book activities or that you know that obviously what happened with the Contra and um has has happened before and since given how many Americans are dying or whose lives are being destroyed families wrecked entire parts of the country just devastated by 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insurance quotes and see how it works and how much you could save that’s policygenius.com Tucker so what about congressional oversight I mean I you wonder about the committee chairman in the house um couple Republicans who I know who seem to me as an outsider sort of Outsider completely controlled by the Intel agencies is that your perception I mean look at Chuck Schumer’s comment you they have six ways to Sunday to get back at you remember when he said that to Rachel matly yeah um and you know she didn’t look too surprised I think it’s a known uh it’s known quantity obviously it goes back to Hoover that was very well known within Intel people will say oh yeah you know that guy has a Hoover file on him meaning this or that policy maker something is known that means that so that’s real oh yeah yeah I look at the Speaker of the House whose views on everything kind of changed instantly on the on the foreign policy questions and I think what are the CH I mean there’s never been a more obedient speaker to the to the will and whims of the Intel Community than Mike Johnson and you sort of Wonder like what is that well I I me I don’t know the answer but you look at you know the legislation that has come up through the house on multiple things you know on Election Integrity on um EMP preparedness both are two you know completely different things both of them actually The Shield act in both cases um but several other iterations that passed the house with real bipartisan support and then just got completely gummed up in the Senate and these are things that seem so unassailable and and supported across the board by you know uh regular American voters and the base across both parties um that you have to you have to ask what what Hoover files are involved and if not a Hoover file then a you know a a second house wherever um but I think between so corrupt it’s hard even to believe it is it is but it’s harder to believe that we’re not going to do anything to root it out you know and I I think you have to name a problem and and really recognize it before you can fix it and it’s something that I admire about what um you know Matt TBE and and um shellenberger did with the Twitter files was for Elon to go in and say you know before I even touch anything on day one please document for posterity uh all of the abuses that have been happening here so that a um we can fix them and B the American people know this was happening and can prevent it from happening again and you know if that hadn’t happened we wouldn’t know what sus had been up to which also oversees election Integrity by the way and how important that it oversees election Integrity yeah yeah those are it’s two it’s two outside of you know Bridges and ports and regular infrastructure those are its two big focuses are censorship of social media and election integ of course you can’t havee Integrity with censorship because censorship is itself an interference in the Democratic process certainly I mean when you look at the Hunter and laptop story and you know it’s been so successfully kind of sidelined that it’s hard to even bring up honestly we would kind of roll their eyes H not the hunter B and laptop story again but what I find really astounding about that is that you know it was Tony blinkin as a campaign official for uh for now President Biden who rang up the CIA and said you know we have a debate next week and we need to be able to reut this and can you write this letter and in it I mean it’s just such clear politicization of our Security Services which is foundationally against everything uh that I was taught when I I mean when I started there I was told that if you had a partisan pin in the felt of your cubicle wall you could be fired and here we have you know that’s for the rank and file but the seventh floor are you know writing false intelligence estimates to get a presidential candidate out of hot water for for his son’s documentation of business deals that frankly look pretty corrupt and that the voter should get to make up their own mind about and maybe you’re somebody who would look at the correspondence in that laptop and not be bothered by it but you should get to make that decision Before You cast your vote and having a government agency where you know the the CIA can come in and say this is Russian disinformation when it flat out was not was completely authentic and then sisa can actually get to work for the coming four years while that person is President memory H holding that because every single post about it is then flagged as misinformation um is truly a violation of election Integrity if ever there was one I mean all of the studies around that uh the polling around it say that it would have changed to sufficient enough votes to have an impact on the election and if having your Security Services step in to lie about uh a foreign adversary’s involvement in the election in order to conceal from voters correspondence of your own corrupt dealings with other foreign adversaries and have it change the outcome of the election is not interference it’s hard to know what is so nicely put were you shocked by that when you saw it I was shocked by it when when I realized that uh that it was intentionally manufactured in that way I mean I think when I first heard it you know it seemed unlikely to me but I hadn’t really fully caught on at that point how manufactured the entire uh you know laptop story was like it it seemed like too audacious an intrusion into domestic political life I felt like they wouldn’t they wouldn’t have gone that far that publicly to just out and out lie about it and you know and they did and not only did they but then the person who who orchestrated it is now our secretary of state going and preaching democracy all around the world it’s pretty dark it must be bewildering for you who were once part of the machine I mean to yeah I mean I can walk around that building in my you know with my eyes closed and say you know that door goes to this office and that go and nowhere in any of those offices was the like overthrow governments and metal with domestic politics office right so you know I I was never exposed to it and it could be because in the early days I definitely threw up the flag on a few things and said hey this you know they were using a lot of um honorifics in the early days after 911 where kind of in English it would be like Mr doctor you know but after 911 everybody was sending in Arabic language threat reporting or they were getting Arabic language threat reporting from their sources and they were not Arabic speakers and so there were these huge files for people like Al ymin which is like someone who’s completed the Haj and comes from Yemen uh which is you know many many people um to put it mildly and um and so picking one person up and you know rendering them to another country because they fit that description when it’s not a name and it’s not an identifier was you know a a human rights nightmare did that happen different name but I remember raising my hand around that cuz I was taking like Arabic 101 at um in my last year of grad school at Georgetown and I had a wonderful Egyptian professor and he had just done a class on honorifics at the beginning to kind of like warm people up and teach them pronunciation and I was literally that far and I mean so so brand new and if that hadn’t happened I wouldn’t have recognized it but and it ended up you know actually being right I mean they they they it was a wrong person and by the time that was recognized they’ you know force fed him through his nose and you know just whole human rights M I’m sorry laugh that’s just so horrible it’s so so horrible as to not be they force fed him through his nose well I’m I’m sharing what was in public just just to be clear I’m sharing what was in the public account so I you know I I don’t want to get go beyond that but it was the first time that I said you know this is who do I talk to about this this shouldn’t have you know this shouldn’t be happening and I think from that moment on my sense is that I was kind of put in the pile of like this is a person who will make she’s not going to just go along right like she’ll she will make trouble I I think I I got filtered out of the go f cous and foreign country recruitment program thank god um but I never witnessed any of that there it was actually really once I left that in some ways I feel like my education on the intelligence World began and I knew a lot of really great people there um intellectually curious smart good-hearted many theologians many poets like a really like interesting unique group of people who argued a lot about where we should be and what we should be doing and the morality of things I didn’t find it to be an evil place at all um but I also am aware that I never came across any of the kinds of operations that you know now are being uncovered and so I think I was working you know the keep keeping nuclear precursors out of the hands of Terror suspects is like a a a fairly easy moral choice right and so I never uh was exposed to any of that and it was deeply distressing after leaving to to watch um all of the subsequent declassifications of what was being done at Abu grabe and elsewhere um and you know cat ey and Thailand and I hadn’t hadn’t been aware of any of that and then to see it weaponized domestically was the because of course that’s the end of that story when you really think about it yeah you know there’s no in the end the way that we treat other people as how we treat ourselves the way that we treat people outside ends up in our home you know it’s just the natural way of things and I think it’s no surprise when we’ve subjugated the world into kind of US versus them thinking and control being our kind of benevolent benevolent control being our love language globally as a nation um that you know our our leaders end up doing the same thing at home and feeling like it’s Noble so again nicely put you um made reference a moment ago to changes uh under in the first years of the bid Administration first months to our EMP preparedness can you explain what an EMP is and what changed yeah I mean this is increasingly relevant now and it’s um it’s a great credit to president Trump that he prepared us for it and then unfortunately to President Biden that he revoked it so let me sort of explain a little about what it is um do you remember over the last couple of weeks there’s been there have been solar storms and we’ve gotten to see the Northern Lights much you know farther south which is beautiful um and maybe people were warn there might be slight disruptions to electronics but for the most part it’s been it’s been beautiful and uneventful um those solar storms can be far more powerful than that um naturally so before even getting into human weaponizing of that um there have been lots of examples but the Carrington event is probably the best known right uh in 1859 and was so I mean it set you know Telegraph uh operators uh on fire set set forest fires it damaged the um the Transatlantic cable miles beneath the ocean and NASA says that were it to happen uh again now given the interconnected electrical grid that didn’t exist then that you know we’d be looking at um at Darkness around most of the globe possibly for years up to seven years is what they they have said and that these uh that these electromagnetic ejections happen from the Sun every 100 to 150 years of that of that magnitude of course that was you know in 1850 so we’re coming up for one their current estimate is about 12% chance per decade right so not a non-zero chance fairly likely that in our lifetime or our kids’s lifetime we will experience another one of the Carrington events in fact there was one in 2012 that came extremely close to us it would have been absolutely catastrophic but didn’t didn’t hit and then that would mean no electricity four years right and that you know that sounds inconvenient and you know maybe people can see how it would be you know it would cause some loss of life but I think there’s part of us when we hear that that thinks like I could use a break from Twitter you know like it might be kind of nice um the thing is that what what people don’t realize is that the world is no longer what it was in the 19th century that uh that almost everything at this point um involves what they call skada systems which are these small computers that use sensors to move valves or you know whether it’s how many how much natural gas can move through a pipeline when to turn on the coolers in a nuclear power plant to make sure that there’s not a meltdown when to allow uh water to go over the Hoover Dam to prevent flooding uh you know Air Traffic Control traffic lights and so on um all operated by skus systems now and those are are all susceptible to to this exact same um kind of attack uh or in the early day you know what we were just talking about was in the in the case of a solar flare but humans being what they are they’ve learned to weaponize this right and we know this because we have done it uh starfish Prime was the first test in ‘ 62 where the US realized that this could be used as a weapon um and did the test above the Pacific and it knocked out you know capabilities in Hawaii uh and and farther Beyond and so there was that recognition we now know that the the Soviets figured it out even earlier they told us during the kind of dayon in the 90s um that they had already done seven tests at that point over Kazakhstan and wiped the entire power GD of of Kazakhstan actually you know created a lot of suffering in the process but they saw it as having huge potential as a weapon um because of that and began developing out you know what they call a super EMP which is uh very specifically um tuned not for yield but for electromagnetic pulse and these are you know these are detonated 30 colomet or so above a country so you’re not actually destroying anybody with the with the explosion it is with the um using the emps to kill the grid uh what is now by many of our adversaries mention in their military manuals as no contact Wars so this is you know win World War III without ever having to have contact with the adversary and when you look at the delivery mechanisms that are available here um and the way that we’re seeing emps discussed and and China and Iran and Russia um North Korea there are a wide variety of them I mean North Korea in 2013 um ran the exact optimal orbit with um its KSM 3 satellite over New York and Washington DC that would be the optimal delivery for this kind of a a weapon and on the very same day in April of 2013 uh sent uh military Special Forces essentially um that have never been identified uh in to to break into a a substation pg& substation near San Jose in California and North Korean well thought to be North Korean never actually identified or apprehended exactly the same day on the west coast that they did the satellite run on the East Coast um what they do at the pg& substation they Gas and Electric by the way yes for our East Coast viewers for East Coast um they were assessed to be extremely professional by the the seal trainers who came in later to look at the site they knew about um an underground comms tunnel that they went in and cut Communications and um used Sniper fire to to damage but not take offline 17 Transformers wa in the united states in the United States yeah wait we had we had a North Korean team of saurs or sabur sent by North certainly professional special forces of some variety thought to be North Korean uh just outside San Jose in Coy coyote California we did an interview with a woman called Casey means she a Stanford educated surgeon and really one of the most remarkable people I have ever met in the interview she explained how the food that we eat produced by huge food companies big food in conjunction with Pharma is destroying our health 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effect right now you can get an additional two free months when you go to levels. link Tucker that’s levels. link Tucker this is the beginning of what we hope will be a long and happy partnership with levels and Dr Casey means I was uh you know I was an adult in 2013 Obama was President I was reading the news I don’t remember no it was it very very downplayed um as vandalism and you know two months later July we had or a few months later um in July they found um two uh sa2 nuclear capable missiles in the the Bay of a of a tanker in the Gulf of Mexico and this was all really as the as the North Korean tensions were mounting you know which president Trump gets far too little Credit in my opinion for for that um resolution or Dayton and now you know under Biden Harris we have um we have North Korean troops being pulled by Putin into the war in Ukraine so that escalation is is back in play again um but those are three distinct ways to attack our electrical grid that were all mounted within you know a handful of months and as a result in 2014 NORAD announced that they were fully moving and investing hundreds of millions of dollars into further radhe heartening shy shyen Mountain so they’ve taken it very seriously for their own Force protection which is good but not for the rest of us and can you just give us the cliff notes on what what that means hardening shyen Mountain okay so it’s actually very easy if you put your phone in the microwave right it is it is safe from this kind of electromagnetic radiation and so the question is when you look at something as complex as our entire National Grid what are the nodes that are most uh vulnerable to this kind of attack and um really there the there sort of two categories that are highest consequence one are the skada systems that would allow for the resulting forest fires and nuclear meltdowns and floods and plane crashes and uh Hospital failures and traffic crashes and so forth if they fail and they are as easy to protect as you know putting them in a metal shed instead of a wooden shed or taking the wooden sheds that exist and covering them with you know metal mesh to the to the point that you know you could put that out for people in each Community with specs and I’m sure that they would get together on a Sunday and do it you know but regulation in our country doesn’t allow us to do that um that so the ska systems uh protecting those and then the extra high voltage Transformers are a huge issue and sticking point for our Grom they only make about 200 of them a year and they’re incredibly expensive hundreds of tons uh you know to move and the coils are done mostly by hand amazingly I mean they’re custom made and they were invented here in the US Tesla invented them here but we don’t make them anymore and uh most of the ones for export are made in Germany or South Korea and they’re they’re designed custom for each spot so it’s very hard to have extras for each one on hand and um they need to be in Faraday cages which is you know sounds fancy but it’s basically just a um wire mesh cage yeah a wire mesh cage and you know the benefit of this despite you know in addition to protecting against this kind of attack is that there are a lot of other grid vulnerabilities that are maybe maybe lower damage when they happen but higher likelihood you know an EMP attack or or a um a solar flare or low probability High catastrophy events um but weather related damage is is the opposite or sometimes catastrophic in its impact as we’ve seen recently right in North Carolina um and elsewhere and a lot of the same guards around especially around protecting from cascading ska of failures where you know the the um charge can be um the surges can be pre prevented is really important to uh the EMP safety but also would help prevent in those kinds of storm environments and then you look at sabotage and vandalism which is another really big issue that they to protect against and a faraday cage depending on its construction can also you know prevent people from seeing where it is that they’re um that they’re letting off Small Arms fire or that they’re targeting um which we see I mean you know when I drove in here when you first arrive in your town on the left there’s a little substation and it has a chain link fence around it you know no cameras and that’s the same all over the country and everyone just sees those you know they see the little coils and don’t really think much of it but I’ve I’ve been here 50 years and never noticed it was there it’s right I mean and that’s true our I just you know we’re so accustomed to to filtering these things out but the entire basis of our life and our community and our country and our national security and our health care our financial system all relies on them and it’s not just you know detonating a nuclear weapon above of the United States obviously there’s a deterrent effect uh there would be a response because cheyen mountain and other parts are completely rad Harden so even if the entire country were out you know the United States would be able to respond um and has have uh Subs overseas and so on but you can achieve pretty much the same impact with commercially available EMP suitcases that you can buy for industrial reasons with no you know no special license or anything like that and you know if you pick the right nine substations to put that suitcase next to you have achieved the exact same thing and as you can see you know with the the San Jose attack those people were never actually seen on camera and they were never I mean you can see them as figures but they were never identified so there’s vandalism there are natural weather events um including the solar flares storms that you uh mentioned and then there’s EMP uh so the threats to the grid and to our the lives of 350 million Americans are completely real and in some sense imminent like we know this is going to happen at some point so the federal response hardening uh the grid changed when Biden got elected yeah and this this is what is really hard to accept and it’s very similar actually to what happened with the border wall which is here you have two policies the EMP executive order that President Trump was the first president to ever uh direct all parts of government to work together to be sure that the American people were protected from intentional EMP attack after Decades of knowing that our primary adversary were all considering it training for it had weapons programs designed to do this and by the way I mean before we get to Biden you know the primary delivery mechanism in all of those tests was a high altitude balloon you know when we then have China a primary adversary who we know have talked in their training uh sessions and their training manual about using high altitude balloons to deliver this kind of an EMP device and have done tests where it’s the same exact payload as the High Altitude balloons that were recovered and then you have Russia I’m sure you remember last year Washington worked itself into quite um a justified in my opinion um State about you know the quote unquote space nuke right putting a nuclear weapon into orbit um on a satellite and at the time the media made it out like this was maybe a danger and even if it was a danger it’s only a danger to other satellites right it would it would get in the way of your car’s GPS and you know maybe it would be problematic for the military and so we should pay attention to it but they definitely downplayed its impact on anyone on the ground right and yet we know from past Russian uh trials and the um the sa3 satellite that um that the North Koreans sent over that this kind of delivery is the exact same uh setup as an anti-satellite weapon you put a nuclear uh weapon on a satellite headed up from the south where we have virtually no detection set up and you don’t even get the 22 minutes that you would get with a solar flare it just comes completely out of the blue and there’s no preparation whatsoever and in general in the you know in the military theory of these of these adversaries it’s a multi-pronged attack right that’s the initial you take out you know send send everybody into chaos and you take out their ability to communicate with one another and then it’s followed by whatever comes next um and for us to know to have seen that in you know war games in at least two of our largest adversaries both Iran and Russia have included in in their their training simulations it’s in three of their manuals uh China Russia and Iran uh Russia we know is putting a nuclear weapon in in orbit China’s sending the space balloons they’ve I mean the high SE balloons have already come across our own territory North Korea three three-way attack uh simulation that all three were successful clearly this is on the minds of our adversaries and it’s an imminent danger certainly the the vulnerability that you know the area in which we are most vulnerable for maximum casualties and impact and yet president Trump was the first president to to say across different parts of government who sometimes have a hard time talking to one another I want you to work together to make sure that the American people are protected from this and by the way it’s not even that expensive in the big scheme of you know government spending I think to do it really well the the cost estimate was $2 billion which you know we’ve just sent another hundred billion to um Ukraine so then Biden takes office and frankly in my mind just inconceivably revokes that and in the same way that he says with the wall you know both of those to my mind are initiatives that are already underway that are designed to protect the American people’s security and Homeland uh and he reversed for you know with with no with no replacement plan in place but you know with the border wall you could and I think that’s a a more complex topic than we appreciate like what is the point of what they just did I I don’t know but at least there was a perceived political constituency in favor of mass immigration okay they thought it would make it a one party State that’s why they’re for it got it what could possibly be the motive for not defending yourself in a sensible way from an EMP attack like I don’t get that at all support from the electrical industry oh really yeah there’s a huge amount of push back so it gets a little bit in the weeds and boring but there’s there are these two things the nerk and the FK yeah and they are supposed to regulate one another basically or one you know FK is supposed to regulate um and unsurprisingly in that kind of a cozy relationship it doesn’t work and they do have some self-imposed EMP standards but they are for a reasonably light solar storm and would not come anywhere close to being able to withstand any kind of nuclear fallout um and really push back on the costs that would be involved and the the difficulty you know it could be passed on to Consumers at 20 cents per consumer per year which I think most consumers when they really understand that this is this would you know keep their power on not just in those extreme circumstances but also help in storms and with vandalism and with these other and keep Millions from starving to death right billions potentially I mean these These are Global I mean in our in our not but uh but these certainly will be Global issues and there will be Global competition for the very slow to build Transformers that would fix them right and so it’s really important to recognize that everybody else will be going through the same thing at the same time it’s not like you can find a way to walk to outside of that area so that you can get order something and bring it back in right in terms of rebuilding your grid um so potentially catastrophic non-zero chance of it happening I mean 12% per decade is and I should say that the EMP committee that Congress um put in place and unfortunately was disbanded under President Obama but prior prior to that um included really the intelligence community’s best analyst based on all of the testing that they’d seen hostile countries their estimate was 8 to N Out of every 10 Americans could lose their life by the end of the first year which is a staggering and almost impossible to believe estimate until you realize that you know within obviously at the outset you have half a million people in the air at any given time on a thousand flights right so that’s lost right away and then everyone on an airplane does right so that’s half a million people at any moment any given moment and then you have um you know obviously traffic and everything that that happens in in that immediate chaos um but very quickly after that the skada systems begin to fail and you have fire you have flood within 72 hours you have meltdown at all nuclear facilities and then Refrigeration has has gone out at supermarkets and at the regional food warehouses so the food supply ends there’s no you know there’s no access to ATMs or money or financial structure of any any type no access to your prescription medications you know no access to law enforcement um and no clean water and no food so unless you know you have your berky that you can put Lake water in and you know a Year’s worth of food uh and a way to protect yourself uh you know you which the vast majority of Americans don’t have um you are in an incredibly vulnerable position that there’s absolutely no reason to risk putting our own people and if you’re and that’s just for people who are outside the cities but if you’re in the middle of a tightly packed metro area you’re just done yeah and and this the I mean I can’t even imagine people’s be having you know covered chaos in Baghdad and right Hurricane Katrina you know anyone who’s ever seen the you know disappearance of authority knows that like within hours people start going crazy and hurting each other and you have you know you have your kids in your apartment and how do you get them out and how do you get them to safety and where do you take them and you know the prospect of even rolling any kind of dice to put our our own people in that situation while then glibly taking the money that we could been doing that and instead send it to to arm Ukraine when sending ballistic missiles into Russia using American satellites you know puts us in a direct hot war with Russia for the first time ever uh you know that that actually puts us at a higher risk of this kind of attack than ever in our history and at a moment where instead of spending our money to protect ourselves from that attack we’re actually spending our money to provoke that attack we did a live tour last month one of the funnest things we’ve ever done Coast to Coast 16 different cities speaking well next week our grand finale Halloween October 31st 2024 in Glendale Arizona our special guest that night days before the presidential election Donald Trump all proceeds donated to Hurricane Relief we’re proud to do it hope to see you there so I I I don’t know that one in a million Americans has ever heard any really anything you just said or certainly not heard it fleshed out in the way that you just did and yet when you hear it it makes sense and it’s cly true so that raises the question about our in information you know the Integrity of our information sources and why aren’t uh we hearing this from the Press from the media I don’t understand that well you know I think there’s a party line right now in the media uh if you haven’t noticed and this I think does not support the security States thesis about uh about how safe the current Administration has made us in the world right and you know when you look at um when you look at the economy versus stability that you know four years ago and now it is just absolutely clear that we should be talking about the fact that the world has been set on fire over the last four years and yet it’s really not front and center in our news at all with you know with the exception of of uh the Middle East which you know gets I think pretty slanted coverage so oh you think um you know I having come through two years of the RFK campaign I will tell you it is I mean it’s truly amazing to me how to what degree a media blackout really can be coordinated and and be successful what was your tell us what was your [Music] experience I mean it was clear to me pretty early on that you know you were if you were someone who had heard from Bobby then you were someone who was at least considering voting for him and and many of those people you know were very clear that he was should be the next president of the United States so you’re either somebody who had heard from Bobby or you were somebody who had heard about Bobby right from your cable news source or from your newspaper and so on and you know you begin to realize when you’re on the inside of of you know the receiving end of all of that is that every place you know anything that you know about this election you know about it because you have read heard or seen it on a platform that has a commercial interest in the outcome of the election right I mean you look at Google hundreds of millions of dollars in in um pharmaceutical ad Revenue billions of dollars in pharmaceutical ad Revenue uh that Bobby said in his very first speech when he announced for president that he would bring us in line with the rest of the World by Banning pharmaceutical advertising on TV you know what business do you know that is going to give Fair coverage to somebody that could cost them billions of dollars a year in their business model they you know it’s not in their fiduciary interest and it’s the same you know we see it with certainly all the cable news channels who are also relying on pharmaceutical advertising and then you know the Reliance I mean Bobby’s determination to cut excess military funding when so many of these media companies have board entanglements or common ownership with uh defense contractors or are themselves I mean you look at Amazon web services and the Washington Post and you know GE and NBC and so forth I mean there’s a long long history of that and how much does Boeing spend on Politico every year but so that is kind of that I didn’t understand this actually until Bobby explained it to me having spent my entire life in the media in television not realizing that the point of the pharmaceutical ads was not to sell the drugs to Consumers who can’t prescribe the drugs to themselves of course that never made sense to me and I didn’t get the obvious point which is it’s protection money yep that’s exactly I know how I never got that I mean sometimes you even see the Boeing at or you know the north her ads and it’s like imposs as a consumer you there’s it’s you actually can’t there’s no way to buy their product no they just like completely naked bribery but I never thought of that I like why like why are you North the advertising in Politico like what you’re gonna go buy a bomber um it’s to keep its reporters from criticizing that’s right it is their entire expenditures it’s their salary and they know it and you know a free market is a free market fine but when when PE voters are so steeped in a media environment and especially with algorithmic things where you know they’re seeing their Google news feed and every single time they see Bobby’s name he’s like a psychopathic crazy Doge eating you know joke right and that was their approach was either to absolutely not cover him whatsoever I mean he would give these extraordinary speech this peace speech that he did in New Hampshire in the at the outset of the campaign um and the um America strong speech about building a Unity government based on Lincoln’s Team of Rivals were two of the most incredible speeches I’ve of the campaign and neither of them they were all attended by 30 40 reporters with cameras obviously waiting for him to say some terrible thing so they could play that one clip and then none of them ran any of it because they you know because they were such strong speeches and so we we were up against that throughout did you know how the America I mean obviously you’ve been around you worked at BBC you’ve been around the American Media your for your whole life but did you appreciate how this works before you started running this campaign not nearly to the degree that you know the the degree of politicization was surprising to me and I think I had not really come to understand the um the kind of deep commercial drivers behind editori Alliance and um you know I guess had a little bit of idealism still from the old like Edward armo like you know that there must be some journalists still out there kind of thing and they’ve been very few and far between I mean I really I’m hard pressed to even come up with an example I’m glad to be sitting across from you but I will say thank God for Elon Musk yes I AG I mean I really believe that every American should include him and his family in their prayers every day because you know he is holding our constitution together right now and you know even the internet archive is offline now it’s there’s nothing left there’s no other way to know and sure are there things on there that turn out not to be true absolutely are there things on there that you’re going to disagree with or find offensive absolutely and you know such is the nature of free speech and it’s audacious and bold old and beautiful and sometimes infuriating but that’s what we’ve built our entire country on and when it I mean I I remember recently explaining this to my daughter and and she was you know she’s five and she was asking me why why I’m always traveling I’m working at the moment and and I was explaining about the importance of free speech and and how I wanted her to have it when she was older and she said so are there countries where if you criticize the leader you know they’ll put you in jail and I said yes there are there are a lot of those countries they that used to be all the countries basically and when you when you go back and you look at the at the audacity of what that idea was at the beginning and the fact that it wasn’t happening anywhere else and then hundreds you know of of other countries now have followed suit and that we’re just going to give that up um for the short-sighted gain of one political party in one election cycle or one blob for you know five to 10 election Cycles while you know their lust for power continues and that as a result because no government is ever going to seed power given to it in an emergency so even once that runs its course it still means that my kids kids will not have the freedom of speech that you know that they that is their Birthright um given to them by our country’s Founders and I just can’t I can’t abide that I can’t let it happen and um to see Elon who wasn’t even born in this country step up and defy the commercial interests you know I I don’t know his finances but it seems to me that he has taken a serious Financial hit Oh serious to protect he’s not a money worshipper unlike so many billionaires just to be blunt they’re money worshippers that’s why they’re billionaires right he’s not no and I I think he is genuinely driven by the desire to see human Freedom endure and I don’t know why more of us are not because there’s nothing more important and it’s ours to lose you know and um it’s bewildering to me when I hear people say well you know our government can be trusted with those like they can make the Judgment of what I should be able to say and what I shouldn’t he just the the idea that but what about the next leader you know every government is it is it Federalist 51 the one that where Madison talks about you know if if men were angels we wouldn’t need government and if Government were Angels it need to be regulated but we are making you know the challenge is making a government of of men over men and um and yet they took on that challenge and achieved it so beautifully and I remember Mr SAR at NCS tell um my last two years of high school in DC when I came back to the United States telling uh telling us about ski versus Illinois and I and just being incredibly moved by the courage that it takes as a society to defend such abhorent speech Yes because you know that you know it’s it’s not a sliding skill it’s just you either have it or you don’t I think it’s Salon R who says the minute somebody says I believe in free speech except you know stop them right there because they don’t need to finish the sentence but I get I just refer back to my first question um which is since I’m so familiar with you know all the schools you went to the credentials you have you know the world that you’re from I I mean you’ve got to be in the one tenth of 1% of people you know who’ve taken this position you took such an unpopular position and I know you know you married into the family and all that but still you became Bobby Kennedy’s campaign manager and now Bobby Kennedy’s endorsed Trump yeah and I just don’t think you could hoist a bigger middle finger in the face of the world that you’re from I mean I just know that cuz I I know that world so like did you even hesitate before doing that what was your thinking and like I’m sure none of your classmates did anything like that why did you do that you know I think that if you gave them the choice I mean if they came down from Mars and you put the exact occurr you know what is happening right now in front of them without the names of the parties or the names of the participants and said you know you have one four War year stint where no new Wars are started where you know bread costs half of what it cost now gas a third you know etc etc um you know rises in standard of living across the country lower suicide rates lower depression you know lower homelessness lower incarceration lower immigration that is you know illegal and and um and results in in uh children being lost around the country and then you compare it with four years of another government that is endorsed by the way by Dick Cheney now and a host of neocons that involves two new Wars you know printing eight trillion dollars of additional debt that is a tax on the poor and on future Generations uh in order to pay for more War uh more children going into poverty more uh you know that we have a real unemployment rate of 25% in this country a quarter when you take into account people who want a full-time job and don’t have one or people who have a full-time job but don’t make $25,000 a year which is not a living wage if you take that into account we have 24.9% true unemployment rate um so when you what I think that you asked about people in my world I think if you put any of that to them and then on top of that said you know and this this leader that has plunged people into poverty and unemployment and you know had to two additional Wars start on his watch is censoring speech on social media weaponizing the courts to take people of his own party and every single other party off of the I mean literally Dean Phillips Maran Williamson Robert Kennedy Jr uh obviously president Trump no labels Jill Stein everybody there’s nobody that as far as I know that didn’t face some kind of a lawsuit to try to challenge their actual ballot access the ability for an American to turn up and exercise their own sacred individual sovereignty of thought and choose what or not to vote for them every single one of them was attacked in court to get their name off of a ballot it’s like we believe in democracy you can vote for anyone as long as it’s me and I I believe that anyone who uh who I knew growing up um and hopefully any American that I didn’t know growing up when when they see it with the ingroup outgroup coding Stripped Away would all I mean would all choose the same outcome here I think the challenge is that um you know we are evolutionarily designed to to you know retain the approval of our group when you’re walking across the you know the early Savannah and your your group guns you you know you’re out of luck right it’s a lot harder to survive and I there’s um uh there’s a study that DARPA did around news you know reading news where they um they expected the frontal lobe to light up because you were assessing the logic of what you were reading and actually it lights up second after this area over the ear which is um if you hold up a shirt and think about whether your friends would make fun of you if you wore it so you know you are using your analytical mind but only after you’ve already decided whether you’re using it to poke holes or you know to reinforce and I think that honestly my friends who don’t support president Trump I think that’s why I think you know it is I guess everything you’ve said is true and for the third time nicely put but I also have a little more difficulty giving that group of pass because that’s our that’s our leadership class yeah raised and to some extent to be brutally honest bred to rule and every society has that class and it’s fine with me I think it’s inevitable it’s part of the human ordering but that class should be able to think critically and rationally that’s their job and they’re not and I just don’t understand how this happened a total breakdown in the sort of mental faculties of the people who run everything like what the hell yeah I mean part of it I think is this intentional uh addictive hypnotic quality of of media and social media that has really intentionally been designed that way you know c means talks about how the tobacco companies bought you know the food companies and sent over their chemists and made them you know intentionally addictive and that is horrifying and true I feel that the same has really been done to our information ecosystem and part of it is for you know for for corporate profit and part of it is for political control and as uh as that media environment has also become more Global and these Partnerships with you know other parties and other countries assist in censorship it’s I think it’s difficult to to um to think critically without a single input telling you that you’re living in The Truman Show that’s right you know and I mean the the agency they used to have this these things called red teams right where they would in the 80s they started putting people in um analysts uh in kind of a bunker for three to three months or six months that looked for all the world like you were living in Soviet in the Soviet Union and all of the books that you had available were all the things that you would be reading if you were military or leadership class there and you’re listening to live radio broadcasts in you know Russian and just living the life of a Soviet leader in the bunker and every day you’re writing what you would do you know today I would uh push on the Berlin Wall uh Etc and and that is actually one of things that came out of it was when was the time a suggestion of the timing for when Reagan should should push on on um Bringing Down the Wall but it allowed people to really Channel their adversary to such a degree that they were viewed with a lot of Suspicion when they came out it was like well now you’ve gone native you know now like you’re you maybe you’re the enemy now and now after 911 they started uh ramping these things back up um around Islamic extremism and reading you know all of the old academic writings of um you know some of the the more violent Jihad leaders and so on and there that suspicion remained as the the better you performed in there in terms of really being able to get into somebody’s mind the more suspicious people were of you when you left and you were generally on some kind of like a teaching assignment or some you know somewhere you couldn’t really do any harm and I I I tell that story because it’s very interesting to me that it’s like a tcid acknowledgement that you are what you read you are what you’re immersed in right and you can have been you know this 1980s cold warrior so much so that you’re working you know as an analyst and house at CIA presumably you’re like pretty died in the wool you know blue team and then you do this three months or you do this six months and it is so convincing this immersion in the thoughts and radio and books and you know beliefs of your adversary that you might just be lost forever when you come out right like you might have just had a full conversion experience I think that is what’s happening I mean I think that media approach is now the experiment that’s running all around us all the time yes I agree with that is such terrifying effect I wish we had more time I is always more time all in God’s time but this was so nice to stop and actually talk about some uh some of the real challenges that you know I think sometimes in the final weeks of the campaign everything becomes about you know the days polls or you know whatever the the media opportunity of the day was and in the end this is what’s at stake I mean we’re talking about decisions over the the very constitutional ideals of this country was built on the physical safety of our communities of our families I mean you are putting it’s it’s really one of the the only times that as a parent you are putting the lives of your children in the hands of someone who frankly is a stranger to you and you know you when you look at these EMP scenarios and then you look at these censorship scenarios you know the the well-being of our constitution of our children and of human freedom is at stake here and you know if it weren’t I I wouldn’t be fighting for it so hard but thank you for taking the time to really dig in to those issues rather than you know the the latest photo op of the day you’re welcome back anytime thank you emeres Kennedy thanks [Music] Tucker so it turns out that YouTube is suppressing our show I know shocking that in an election year with everything at stake 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