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[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] we are now 3 days out from the election there’s a mad scramble um of course in Washington for people to get positions of power in the new Administration um some of are good people some of them are not uh you are being widely discussed as potentially the next national security adviser or secretary defense taking over DOD um I I don’t know what’s going to happen I I fairly confident you’ll play a large and meaningful role in this Administration um you’re never going to say any of that but I just I thought I thought that the audience might like some context for we’re having this conversation I I think you’re one of the very few people with deep experience in National Security who shares the president prior on National Security which is amazing there aren’t too many you’re I would say the leader of them there’s the context what does this next Administration need to do in order to remain true to the president-elect’s articulated positions on war in peace uh well thank you uh Tucker and thank you uh very much first off for your confidence in me it means a great deal I don’t I don’t make well I I I know and that that’s why I’m I’m deeply grateful and honored um and I I clearly don’t make any presumptions about any role for myself but what I would what I would say and I mean this With all sincerity uh is that I think the president of United States the president-elect is exactly right that we stand on the possible precipice of World War III and we need a fundamental change before we Ram right into the iceberg I mean I think the election is over but this remains absolute true is that what I call the liberal Primacy Alliance basically the kind of policies of President Biden and vice president Harris aligned with the prim assists I call them we could call them the neoconservatives have us to a situation in which we’re overextended we’re on the brink of war in multiple theaters and we could lose them and I really want peace and more importantly president Trump ran to his you know historic credit on an agenda as he said of uh you know on in his sort of victory speech I don’t start wars I end them now I think my view is that we have to have how how you actually get to peace is a difficult question and and I had the honor of being on your show a few years ago when my book came out and I’m I remember I don’t know if recall but I said I was thinking about your question to president Trump about why is it worth defending allies and I gave that a lot of thought and that and in a sense my book is a response to that question and I think you do need strength you do but of course and you need peace through strength but that that term has become cheapened and distorted to become basically an excuse for an aggressive expansionist uh approach to foreign policy but I think you do you know it’s it’s real meaning and president Trump is in a sense going back back to the great tradition of the Republican Party the Weinberger Doctrine the pal Doctrine yes Nixon Eisenhower as Bob Dole used to put it uh these are Democrat Wars it used to be Democrats that started Wars and Republicans that ended or avoided them Eisenhower didn’t go into Vietnam in 1954 he did not intervene in Hungary in 1956 again he nobody thought he was a weak guy so what needs to happen right now before you get into that I I just think it might be helpful to describe where we are now because a lot of Americans I’m in this category we so absorbed in the election right that we may have lost touch with what you opened your remarks by noting which is we’re on the brink of war in multiple theaters just will you tell us where we are absolutely well I think um for the first time in basically 150 years we are not clearly the world’s largest economy we compete for that with China and they are a far larger industrial power Russia uh in purchasing power parody terms is a very large economy with enormous industrial production capacity so North Korea advancing its nuclear missile program Russia is a larger manufacturing economy than a lot of us appreciated I think yeah I mean I I despite a lot of boasting they’re still outproducing the North Atlantic Alliance including the United States in artillery production which is old technology by like a factor of two or three uh Iran’s two weeks from uh a nuclear weapon according to Tony blinkin and worse these these actors have come together now you will hear from the sort of Primacy and liberals that that means that we have to fight them all at the same time no to the contrary it means they are collaborating together precisely to tie a down and deplete us and that’s what’s happened in the war in Ukraine where we have expended a tremendous amount of weapons Ditto in places like attacking the hooes and so forth at the same time our defense industrial base has wildly atrophied from where it was 30 years ago and this is why the agenda for reindustrialization is so important but that’s going to take a long time as cender Vance has pointed out meantime China wait so can I say it’s not um I I mean I thought one of the the justifications the main justification for this wildly inflated Ukraine funding was that it was going to help reestablish America’s industrial base and that in fact one of the the the most kind of oft-used arguments by a lot of the advocates for the war in Ukraine was that we would sort of degrade the Russian military for a song and restore our defense industrial base at the same time actually more or less the worst the the reverse has happened the Russian military is is larger and this is you know General Cavo the sacur has admitted this the Russian military is larger it’s battle hardened I mean our military has not fought a peer adversary well I mean really since World War II but certainly since Vietnam uh and and Korea the Russians have gone toe-to-toe with ukrainians who are capable and they have a a revved up defense industry at the same time so in a sense we’re worse meantime the Europeans have basically been asleep at the switch not not going through with their defense buildup with a few Noble exceptions like Poland so and then you look at China which is the by far the most formidable Challenger 10 times the GDP of Russia this Administration Tony blinkin has said Xi Jinping has given the instruction to their military to be ready for a war over Taiwan by 2027 Frank Kendall the secretary of the Air Force in the Biden Administration said the other day that he thinks the Chinese military will say they’re ready we have to be ready for this my view is desperately want peace the Chinese are going to look at us both in terms of our strength but also in term of our political commitments and this is where I think president Trump has been exactly right which is being willing to talk to president xiin ping not insulting president Xi Jinping and president and others unnecessarily not supporting things like Taiwan Independence and at the same time being prepared to be strong and this is where I think if if if we appoint uh or if if people are put into positions of power who think that we can walk in sham and do everything and start wars in three different theaters at the same time not only will that be bad like it was in the Iraq War and often the same people it will be far more catastrophic Tucker I I don’t think this is an exaggeration I think we stand on the precipice of losing a major power War for the first time in our history so people need to know what time it is and that really requires focusing on China with the purpose of Peace like we did in the Cold War which was to say we’re going to be strong we’re not going to go over the line like Eisenhower did in 1950 he’s not going to go into Hungary we’re not going to go to Czechoslovakia 1968 but don’t come across our line because you see you’re it’s not going to succeed for you so I think we really stand at the crossroads and I think president Trump has a mandate for peace so don’t I I I I I just as an American whatever happens to me I so hope that we don’t end up with the the same failed recipe of starting Wars all over the place or getting in meshed in conflicts when we can’t we can’t afford to do so and they’re not the interest of the American people from a non-expert position which is my position just as someone is watching kind of um there does seem to be broad recognition that whatever our objectives in Ukraine were we didn’t achieve them and we can’t zalinsky immediately comes out upon Trump’s election and says actually I’m for peace that does maybe seem like it’s winding down who knows I hope but the noises are consistent with winding down so but at the same time the very people who are pushing that war all of a sudden like very excited about a war with Iran yeah it’s like they just seamlessly move it’s like oh Ukraine whatever actually the real problem is Iran and telling us that Iran’s trying to murder president Trump etc etc I don’t know what’s true I don’t but um how would the United what would happen if we went to war with Iran well I mean I think you know look Iran’s a bad regime we don’t want to have a nuclear weapon support we don’t want to able to support groups Israel etc etc but like Haven we learned the lesson over the last 25 years about the ill-advised nature of very significant conflicts in the Middle East that don’t have clear goals and Clear Connection to American interests like haven’t we been over like didn’t we run this experiment a couple times and it’s often the like the exact same people calling for war with Iran who were involved in in the past and it’s like shouldn’t there be some degree of accountability moreover yes it’s like a bad idea in itself I mean you know like I was criticized in the bull workk by Eric Adelman who was Dick Cheney’s adviser and number three at the Pentagon under Bush he said my ideas were iconoclastic and I was like thank you I’m I’m delighted that you think my ideas are icon how could Eric Adelman be writing with any credibility at all on foreign policy questions after being you know intimately involved in the Iraq War and then never apologizing I don’t there should be some International Authority that requires Contrition like a like a moral un where you don’t get to say another word until you da ashes and sacko apologize who who Among Us isn’t I’m certainly not inherent I’m certainly not infallible but like at least show some you know it’s like Paul jov The Wall Street Journal a couple like a year ago gave a speech to AI treated the Iraq War as like a mulligan you know it’s like uh I think that’s like a big deal and you obviously a lot of people got to you know had different views Etc but it’s like it’s kind of show the Contrition show the Penance show the show The Learning and so that I think is you the other thing though Tucker is like it’s the same people who are calling for attacking Iran who are also calling for escalating the war in Ukraine or even a no fly zone recognizing an independent Taiwan or getting in a war with China or attacking North Korea it’s like if we do all those things we we know objectively as a fact that our military is not capable of fighting more than one major war at a time so even if you did want to getting in multiple fights with people at the same time is just like full hearty and I mean but but the way I think about it is the Washington blob establishment can get us into Wars and crises but they can’t fix the problem so it’s really important right now and it seems to me that you’ll just listening to president Trump and his historic Victory the decisive mandate he got his leadership his mandate his agenda for peace from position of strength use the military sparingly but have it be strong it’s really important not to get in meshed all over the place and and either bleed ourselves out or catastrophic multi front loss I I think that’s the last thing Donald Trump wants um certainly seems that way right I mean the the Arc of his life is just is so remarkable the Redemption that we just saw on Tuesday amazing without precedent really in American history and so if you wanted to destroy his presidency his second presidency what’s you know what’s the one foolproof way to destroy it no no president has ever lost a a great power War Donald Trump has run to his enormous historic credit he has been shot he has been had lawfare conducted against him and he has had the bravery and the vision and the persist and the commitment at Great personal physical cost but also to his reputation his family Etc to stand up for these principles that the United States desperately needs putting Americans interests first peace prosperity Etc reindustrialization now is the time to put that into practice whoever it is I I just I I can’t stress how how important that is and if you’re thinking about a historical Legacy Joe Biden’s going to leave a legacy that’s terrible I mean where the you know for all the things you know you mentioned the war in Ukraine 2 and a half years in Julian Barnes New York Times just reported that the intelligence Community is reporting that the ukrainians are losing that it’s not a stalemate so after all that after all the preaching after all the moralism the ukrainians are losing the war and the Russians are making enormous progress and we’re unprepared we’re unprepared for a war with China uh the Middle East is in the worst situation in years we can’t even stop the the hooes like a third or fourth rate power and we’re not prepared so they’ve left us on the precipice they’ve put us on a you know the Titanic is is directing towards the iceberg it’s going to take a sharp turn and the way I think about this and and when I worked for I had the Bron work for president Trump in his in his first term when we worked on the defense strategy to try to get us to prioritize again in my view with the same logic very consistent with what president Trump I think was trying to lay out that was like you know we were a couple miles from the iceberg back then now we’re like right up you know we’re a few thousand yards and and it’s not easy to turn the Titanic and if you turn the Titanic 90° people are going to fall out of their bunks chandeliers and beautiful uh you know plates are going to get broken but that’s where we are but that is the fault of what I call the liberal Primacy Alliance that is the fault of Joe Biden Camala Harris and the Primacy rep sort of old school Republicans who if they pursued that policy further would lead us to catastrophe then how is it that from what I can tell pretty much every person in the running for the big national security jobs other than you is part of that Alliance and I you know I know them all and I like some of them a couple sitting US senators who I think are really nice guys um but they’re they their tools of the people you describe like completely there’s kind of no doubt about it uh how how is it that there are so few people on the Republican side in National Security with experience who agree with the presidental act who leads the party so I’ve thought a lot about this because I’ve been fighting as you kindly gesture in a sort of lonely battle with within the sort of to to put us on like to me what is common sense exactly right and and yet so few people do it and why is that it’s so weird and honestly so much of your insights and commentaries both on this show and your other podcast interviews and your shows Etc because I think it’s like I think there’s a human sociological element I mean not to get and one of the things that’s kind of bizarre is that I think like today people like us we can learn a lot from the new left of the of the 60s and ’70s like there’s something wrong with the establishment and the way the establishment now I believe there’s always an establish there’s an establishment in M China but we need a better establishment that’s it you know you’re friend of you’re fan of of Teddy Roosevelt too like the idea that like the establishment just does what it used to do is like no the point is the establishment is supposed to serve the people right of but I think there’s an element and I try to give credit cuz like yeah there’s money and stuff but there’s other ways of making money I think it’s this psychic kind of like Network benefit of being part of like essentially functionally an imperial capital and everybody comes to you know this right they come to the capital say you’re so wise we need your leadership you’re so you’re so moral and your vision and it happens in Congress where people come they probably not thought about foreign policy that much there all these structures set up to kind of acculturate them and again like I don’t want to sound too new left but like that you know this is kind of what happens and so you need I think a cleare eyed view of how to change and and frankly a willingness to Buck the system and this to me is like and I I’m certainly far from the only person to make this point I think you have as well it’s like President Trump ran against the system and that is so important because it’s the system the liberal Prim assist Alliance in other things like trade and economics Etc that that need to be a fundamental change and already he’s paid the price literally and shown the bravery and commitment to go through that and so now it’s about like capitalizing and frankly my hope is if that happened a lot of these people especially in the younger Generations would follow and I forgive me for a little bit of patting myself on the back but I think it’s an apropo comment was out at a thing a few months ago and this young guy came up you know strong guy whatever and he said hey you know Mr Colby I’m I’m I’m going in I’m going in the the Marines and I just want to say all the young Republicans love what you’re saying and I said to him I was like well that’s good because all the old Republicans hate it and he’s like yeah that’s the point wa do they do that they do that and that’s like to me I always I think of myself I’m like the first Lata this is although you know there are people out there you wonder about but like this is this is not like actually getting shot but it’s like I’m trying to think about how do we protect Americans from from not getting shot of course right and so and so I think the young people can see it you know the the young people who are like you know who were not bought in to you know who have not been kind of acculturated worked for ex Senator on this committee for 10 years and then went to that thing tank and blah blah blah I think I think they they if you build it they will come but it’s like the first Echelon we take a lot of we take a lot of metaphorical Flack hopefully metaphorical I I just and I I won’t want about this but I’m a little bit distressed by it very distressed by it but like someone like Mike Pompeo I’ll just say the name who I don’t think is going to get a job in this Administration um I would pray that he’s not I think he’s a criminal I’ve said that plotted to murder someone who hadn’t even been charged with a crime that’s a criminal act should be arrested for that that’s my view um but even if you don’t believe that he’s been anti-trump for eight years worked against Trump and he’s a crazed neocon and he’s still being talked about and promoted again I don’t think he’s going to get the job but promoted to run the National Security establishment in in the United States how can that even happen well look I mean I think it it’s if I were advising president Trump I would say um especially now that the Mandate has happened yes why pick some anybody who’s not aligned with what you’re trying to do I mean I saw the last ad that President Trump ran I mean it was a stirring ad like and it it won who is in that ad you tulsey gabard Robert F Kennedy Jr VI and and vice president elect Vance that is the Mandate you know so so like my My Hope Is that he will own that and that is the way for that’s the way for peace and there’s going to be debates about various policies and how to emphasize this or that but why go back in especially in a situation where as successful as the first term is the situation that Joe Biden and Cala Harris are leaving president Trump in January is I cannot stress how dangerous it is and he’s right I mean the way that President Trump again has commendably talked about the risk of nuclear war I worked on nuclear issues a lot my kind of starting point a lot was like working on nuclear weapons and nuclear strategy and arms control I worked on arms control with the Russians we should be afraid of these things you know salutary fear not like an un you know unmanning fear if you will but like a salutary fear you the beginning of of wisdom is fear or whatever the Bible says that effect I should I should know that but it’s true right is understanding and calibrating and and to me one of the like touch grass kind of things about a lot of the people who are calling for like no fly zones in over Ukraine and intervening against the Russians and escalating and allowing us weapons to be overtly used to attack Moscow and Russian strategic you know forces sites like that that is that is obviously crazy it’s like time out like that is obviously there are many Republicans in fact some of the rep that’s why I think that the arguments with in the Republican party in some ways are are fiercer because my hope Tucker and I think this is something you’ve been you know on for a while but it’s like the Democrats are like they’re sort of inherently out of position right now like where is the left where where are the people who are like anti-war where are the people who say the CIA is not above reproach or the FBI is not above reproach who are the people you know Kurt right Mills or whatever the power elite and all this stuff those people H those movements have to come back and and and I think that that’s something where especially given the Mandate that President Trump has been has won that hope I mean you know whatever you think of Bernie Sanders the fact that he said like we’re out of we’re out of position you know and others are saying they’re out of position from I My Hope Is that Democrats will go back in a sense to the kind of arguments that I’m making that I think you could have heard a Democrat make 10 minutes ago right or 30 years ago or 40 years ago hey we need we we’ve got to be able to talk to our opponents we have to have a strong military but not get into unnecessary Wars that’s just common sense that’s for sure do you remember when Democrats used to refer to abortion as something that should be safe legal and rare well they’ve changed their view on that it went from a right to a Sacrament this isn’t the pro-choice movement you may remember from 30 years ago this is something much darker and that’s why we have joined forces with preborn they’re a sponsor of the show and of our speaking tour to do something 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that is familiar uh it’s a familiar name that anyone knows the history of the Central Intelligence Agency your grandfather ran it William kobby um and there so there are two interesting things one is I’m sure this will set off just explosions of theorizing on the internet you’re so what is your view of CIA how is that’s why I think that’s why your family’s in Washington because you’re yeah well actually when my my great-grandfather was a career army officer so I come from a kind of a national security you know background I mean my dad not not so much but but you know look my view on the intelligence commit and I worked on this stuff myself when I was kind of early in my career although on the commission that looked at why Iraq intelligence is wrong I I didn’t agree with my my grandfather for everything I with everything uh I didn’t know him super well I mean I know a lot about how he approached things and how he you know uh his his record and so forth one thing where I do really agree with him and where his legal training and the fact that actually as Jim seser said he was the first liberal to become director of Central Intelligence was that he thought and I agree with him that you need a CIA you need a national security establishment but it’s not above reproach and it needs to be accountable and that’s what he you know the interesting thing about him um and you know just to stress that I don’t take any credit for it like I’m just telling just because you asked me but you know he was in World War II he was then a field guy he was in Europe and then he was in Vietnam for a long time and then he kind of ended up as director by happen stance as these things sometimes do during Watergate and so and he had not been really involved he wasn’t one of the inside Club of like the you know see you got dick Helm’s book The Man Who he was the kind of ultimate Insider Washington operator kind of my grandfather was out unlike me I’m more of a you know DC DC type policy type but but I think he came in and he said there’s a chance that I mean remember this the Democrats at the time the the the Congressional class of 1974 very left WI a lot of them were thinking let’s just get rid of this place let’s get rid of the intelligence community and his view is like that’s not good for our country but it’s not good that they’re spying on Americans you know I gotten debates on some of these on Twitter sometimes about like whether the American government is funding some of the stuff you know in Europe or whatever NATO blah blah blah that’s reverberating back into the American political system it’s like uh yeah it’s happened before you know right for a long time for a long time so it’s like it’s not unreasonable and by the way sunlight is the dis best disinfectant and and by the way who are some of the people who were opposed at that time Dick Cheney Don Rumsfeld you know they were opposed to any kind of uh Henry Kissinger any kind of accountability for the intelligence community and so that’s how I I look at I think there’s a real need for accountability also in the profession military what what is this going on with fourstar officers uh recently retired who have no political vetting they haven’t been elected dog catcher weighing in on extremely sensitive points on American calling one of the presidential candidates a fascist that is wildly inappropriate there needs to be a fundamental change first of all it’s wrong second of all it’s not consistent with our constitutional order remember that our founding fathers who had gone through the revolution who had fought war against the great power and one they were like the nasty politics is a feature Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson talking about each other’s mother fine standing military uh-uh we only Built a serious standing military American Military Officers wore uh civilian clothes into the Pentagon as as late as World War II maybe even after so we have come this is since 1947 or since World War II basically and I think we need it given what’s happening but it needs to be accountable the the third point I would make about about this group is like where do they get off like has has our military been successful have our political military goals been achieved over the last 25 years you know call me when you went a war if you’re like if you’re joiz and by the way that’s most of that guilt goes towards the liberal Primacy Alliance the politicians who did it yes but also the war leaders who you know for instance HR McMaster wrote a book called Dar elction of Duty about how the the C the generals in Vietnam did not tell Lyndon Johnson they couldn’t successfully prosecute that war okay I agree with you how how is how is the senior military done so I think some humility Getting Back to Basics and staying out of politics is really needed it it’s infuriating it does challenge like the idea of our constitutional order I agree completely but it’s also ominous so when you read that the Pentagon now has a new policy where at the direction of Civilian leadership they can kill Americans in the United States what is that I mean look I there’s a lot of things that need to be taken a look at where like we have gotten especially after where it’s just metastasized right where we need to ask ourselves what is the right and I think you’ve done this like commendably where you’re saying look you know I was here on this position here and I same same thing where like you know but look at look at the cost and people like you know who were we would say on the old new left would have said oh my God this is going to be abused and people like us were like ah don’t worry about it and now they were right so let’s take a new look at that again I think we need to have the capabilities but I also think this is where this group I mean practically speaking not only only former I mean former CIA leaders implying that President Trump was a Russian agent is a wild abuse of the trust because it’s a special trust with classified information and special authorities and you have it’s almost like a religious obligation where there needs to be a self-discipline and an understanding that there’s certain things you can’t do you know and that and that’s been deeply violated and I think frankly Republicans uh agree that a lot of Democrats or Independents or whatever voted for President Trump they’ve delivered a verdict on this issue so I think you need people who have that balance which to me is the American way is to say look the people have spoken this stuff got out of got out of hand and we need to have a balance but we need to preserve what we need for our security um what do you do in Ukraine well um one is I hope the president uh is successful and leans forward on his plan to end the war and I just say we I don’t know what that is but nobody knew what Dwight eisar was talking about in 1952 nobody knew what Richard Nixon was talking about 1968 and nobody knew what Ronald Reagan was talking about 198 you already see indications that players including President Putin might be might be changing and the ukrainians for that matter so I hope there’s a basis what exactly that looks like I don’t think it you know you’re not going to like liberate Crimea right that’s obvious and the war’s not going well I think that’s step one and I think the Europeans need to I mean this is something I’ve been banging on it’s just so common sense and by the way you want to talk about who’s helping Biden and Harris you will go to Europe and say you don’t need to worry about anything but so would kind of Primacy type Republicans they would go to Europe and say don’t worry we can do everything we’re we’re leading they didn’t do the Europeans any favors they didn’t do the ukrainians any favors let alone you know anybody else let alone the American people because they promised things they couldn’t deliver and this is something where you know and I said this I was Ross D we had an interview right before the election in the New York Times you know where I’d get oh is Ross didn’t say this was sort of like questioning the morality of what president Trump saying I don’t think there’s been a stronger case a more important time for foreign policy that is more moral than what you see which is the moralism which is all intention you see it on the left from Tony blink just saying oh the ukrainians are fighting for Freedom so we need to do XYZ and then failing the way I think about it is like no we need a foreign policy that’s more like how does a parent think about the responsibility child exactly or let’s say you’re you’re on the board of an orphanage you know you might have a really good guy he’s goes to church every Sunday he’s like you know but never cheats at cards or whatever but he sucks at handling the money you know you’re going to hire a guy who’s actually going to take care of the exactly and that is and by the way if all the orphans die it doesn’t matter how much you love them or claim that you do you don’t actually love them well of course you don’t because the purpose of a system is its effect and what’s the effect of the war in Ukraine is to depopulate Ukraine and now to allow foreigners including many Americans including Black Rock to buy the soil of Ukraine I mean it’s certainly not whatever this has happened has definitely not been benefici the ukrainians just lost Ukraine but not to the Russian but through the encouragement of the body Administration that’s my view of it um but how close do you think we have come to a nuclear exchange with Russia during the last I think it’s close I mean and and and Woodward for you know I mean I’m not sure how reliable he is on everything but I I think the reporting that the bid Administration which was against interest was very worried about uh Russian nuclear employment in later 2022 is very very concerning I think it was it was quite real and the people who were BL and insent about it I think is a incredibly irresponsible should not be near serious decisions who are those people well I think you see this kind of liberal premises there’s a lot of people who uh who signed the noly zone or or who made comments on Twitter or otherwise around that time and and have said since have said oh you know lift all the restrictions on the employment of US forces and by the way what’s very clear is a lot of these people if given the opportunity if they thought the political environment would bear it would support direct Intervention which if we go to war with the Russians directly the Russians are very prepared to use nuclear weapons so we have to be realistic about what that entails what does that ENT well I mean I think the Russians one thing about Putin that’s that’s important and again like you don’t have to like the person to understand that we need to take this guy seriously right is he you know as he was as he assumed power and took over from yelton which in the Russian mind was a catastrophically disastrous period one of the first things Putin invested in was the recapitalization of the Russian nuclear forces and the way Putin talks about Russian nuclear weapons and nuclear strategy indicates that he has a quite sophisticated understanding of nuclear strategy and of course you know a lot of it is speculation because thank God they’ve only been used once or twice um but it says to me this guy’s credible and he has an idea of how to use him you don’t start by blowing up Washington DC you start potentially with something like Battlefield use selective strikes against things like places in Europe or more peripheral targets but it can go up there and then you manipulate risk and if if weapons are used in that way you can see ions of people I mean and we have almost no defense against that’s why I think president Trump for instance like having a better Shield would be great but right now we’re pretty much denuded I I just don’t understand I mean I guess it’s kind of late in the game to whine about it but we provided um you know missile defense Shield to another country but we don’t have one like how how did that happen I don’t know I mean I think I think that’s something that we can work on I mean it’s technically very difficult but I think having something better than what we have now we’re always bragging you know the use of the sophisticated use of our defensive missile technology abroad like did it occur to nobody that the purpose of the US military is to defend the United States well it is and um by the way up until the ABM Treaty was signed in late 60s you would go around American cities and there would be Nike Ajax and Nike Hercules nuclear tipped missile defense uh uh interceptors and other kinds NORAD and all these kinds of things so I think having a stronger defense of the American Homeland makes sense and also like you know people talk about the American Military being used you know in relation to Mexico it’s like well I think Mexico is like a you know and the immigration issue is very very complicated and everything but like you know the American Military is to defend the United States right so like that should be you know so to me the core missions of the American Military that we really need to focus on is defense the Homeland preventing China from becoming the hegemonic power in Asia because I think we’ll never reindustrialize we’ll never be autonomous and be what America needs to be if China dominates Asia but I hope and think we can do that without a war working with others that pull their own weight um and then and then having an ability to make sure that we uh don’t have a a replication of of 9/11 now some of that is like being smarter about how we use our military um but uh but I think some of it is you know you got to keep Taps out there and then I think it’s like about supporting you know people say Trump is anti-al I think that’s totally wrong it’s just a different model of allies that’s obviously a is much closer to the Cold War model and B is common sense is like partn say Trump is anti-al so um our of course most important alley in Europe is Germany which is totally uh and we just destroyed and so but by the way we had a direct hand this is not speculation I’m willing to say it’s fact in blowing up nordstream so I know we’re blaming the ukrainians but like we did that I’m just going to say that no that’s not true it is true so how exactly do we get to launch an act of industrial terrorism against our closest NATO Ally how is that Ally ship well the thing that’s that’s weird and this gets I think also into the context of like who benefits you know KU Bono right is like like so since the Ukraine war broke out the European economy and particularly the German economy has been like in freef Fall so there’s this kind of cute argument for while that we had somehow like benefited from Europe sucking air after the Ukraine I’ve heard many people say that and it’s like well no no wait hold on our point if you go back to like eyes now and like common sense is like no we want them to stand on our two feet like I don’t get a rise out of lording it over the Europeans this is this is sort of this mindset that like well this is still fundamentally a European country country this was a European Colony so Europe is basically allied with the United States on a very fundamental level certainly has been for 250 years so destroying Europe well right with some exceptions but but in general you fight them with the people closest to you well that’s right but I mean like Christian Europe right it’s basically our Ally and destroying Western Europe which I think we’ve done how does that help us I don’t understand I don’t think that it’s I mean the interesting thing about that is I mean you know obviously we’re you know settled you know originally by Europeans now we have people coming from all over the world Etc but the thing is actually if you look back at our early history we stayed out of Europe I we were actually more involved in the Western Hemisphere particularly the you know Caribbean and Asia actually so people say oh you know you never we’re never going to get focused on Asia I don’t think that’s true who opened the black who the Black Ships open Japan exactly people were trading a lot of the early American fortunes you know the PE Essex Museum in Salem that was the China right people trading in Canton sometimes with opium you know and then like Samoa ha Etc so I’m not saying like we have we have a strong interest in Europe Philippines the Philippines of course thank you um in fact my great-grandfather we were talking about our families like I um he was an army officer in the inner War period and he was stationed at the American there was like a concession in China not China’s proudest period but you know that we were we were present so what that what I think that means to me is a couple things one um if you actually go back to American history at at our best and really kind of you know the first got really until 1989 we did pretty well with the exception I think things like Vietnam and stuff like that but it was pretty hard-nosed like you go back to to Washington’s Farewell Address Hamilton Etc it’s like we’re looking after number one so this idea that America First is somehow inconsistent it’s like by the way a republic is supposed to be in the interests of everybody right like that’s the definition so so when people say Trump is transactional or whatever I’m like good right we need we he’s like the you know the CEO of America and the board is saying hey look after our interests right that’s actually what you want and then on Europe it’s like we don’t actually benefit I mean it’s it’s been a disaster I I think objectively the policy over the last two and a half years in particular has been a total disaster Germany is in real economic Straits the ukrainians are losing the war they haven’t built up their military but you know Hey Joe Biden got a medal from Olaf Schultz who’s probably going to be out of a job as well in a few months I for their sake I mean I don’t believe in like in intervening apparently the Europeans Schultz himself feel free to intervene in our politics Schultz endorsed Biden do your job I was I was at the Republican Convention as you were a couple months ago and I was getting lectured by a few members of the bundes the German Congress equivalent conservatives putative conservatives and they were like why can’t you do what Reagan did and I said you know what there’s some problems with that Etc like good debt to GDP our military how about you start out by spending as much on defense as the American people do like why don’t our like that that to me is like what president Trump but and against the whole foreign policy establishment why because the foreign policy establishment likes the dependency model of course they like the welfare model in the United States they want people in public housing right and that’s what I’ve said to the Europeans and it’s part of my message to the Europeans is like hey it’s not just your fault I’m not just castigating you as responsible you are it’s also our fault especially our establishment but if you look at the message from the American people it’s we don’t want more of that establishment and that’s again why it’s so important to have the right policies and and vision well we’ve got the vision the question now implementation so the problems for the president-elect are the same as they were in the first uh Administration I would say how do you staff this thing with people who are aligned with you right and how do you keep the people who presently occupy every position of power who operate the the levers of power how do you keep them from from Wrecking the project secretly yeah and the thing that’s different is that the international situation that he’s being left with is truly dire and so there’s no room for you know kind of like you know sort of delay or there’s no s look I’m sorry I don’t want to I don’t want to start attacking people but I just know everybody as I know you do well they have no no I mean the people who want these jobs in the Trump the the second Trump Administration and there’s no they act like it’s 1985 like they have not updated their files these are the dumbest people I think I’ve great on this in the debate when he said to secretary of state would be an amazing amazing I mean he’s there he was out hustling for the president you know he’s he he’s I mean we all say you know what time it is but he like delivered these memorable lines against pence in the in that debate and then he debated John Bolton I think at VMI and he was just like he was a very human point I saw the segment where he’s just like you grew up and this being generous honestly to John Bolton frankly but um which so I admired V on that point but is is said you grew up in the era of Apollo 11 you know and I grew up in the era and he’s younger than I am the global financial crisis uh Iraq failed Wars you know increasingly fractious Society etc etc etc and it’s like you know nobody there’s a friend of mine uh who who was interviewed in one of these stories about the new right and so forth and he said nobody under the age of 30 I know who’s a conservative treats the new conservative idea with anything but derision and Scorn something like that and it was just like I’m confident where things are heading but we don’t have time because if CH like and and I’m not a fanatic on China right like my view on China is and I think the Chinese understand this my view is we need to be strong but we also need like in the Cold War there’s like a line and there’s we don’t cross it and we need to be able to decouple the thing you know get reindustrialize things liser and Naro and are talking about which is Bring Back industry have more autonomy but at the same time you know there’s a line but we’re not going to go and regime change them there are people who served in the first Trump Administration who were talking about regime change in China who are talking about Primacy over China like dominating China like that is so dangerous and often they’re the same people who are supporting you know total support of Ukraine which like makes zero sense like zero sense right so my view is you got to do the things you’re talking about but you’ve also got to say we got to and you know cender Vance has made vice president alect Vance has made these points very well reindustrialization is critical but it’s going to take some time in the meantime given that the Biden team has like used up so much of our weaponry and so forth we got to husband what we have and again to me that is with the purpose of not getting into Wars so every year when Apple releases the overpriced new iPhone the big carriers play the same old game sign up now next 2 years some big sell your contract get a free iPhone well what do you give up in return a lot don’t fall for 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additional 50% off your very first month that’s Pur talk.com Tucker switch your sales service to a company you can be proud to do business with how how could um four stars how could the leadership of the Pentagon support this so my you know it’s interesting I think again maybe I’m too optimistic but like you know I deal with you know I was I dealt with the a lot of four stars when I was there um when you work when you worked at P when I worked at the pedon because the thing about my job I was like a sort of my formal title was a little bit kind of middle upper middle tier but basically I was running the strategy so I had a lot of exposure I was kind of operating above my uh the sort of normal level so I had I got a lot of experience and I’ve stayed in touch with these people I watch I watch them here’s the thing and and you know there’s a good kisser I don’t think was that great of a Statesman but I think he was a brilliant writer and sort of Observer um he said something like big strategic shifts don’t take place just by acts of virtuosity they they reflect underlying Trends and I think you you talk to people in the military and I keep in touch with a lot of them they know they what I’m saying is like common sense for military people they know our Readiness is down they know our defense industrial base is in trouble they know the Chinese are moving like Gang Busters they know the Russians aren’t a joke they know we can’t afford to get into another big Middle Eastern War so if you show at the top level Clarity and courage as president Trump has in charting the direction and he has people under him who are genuinely trying to put that into place I think if you build it they will come and here’s the other thing bear in mind that since 2008 um the Democrats have been in control almost the whole time and under before that it was the Iraq War group so a lot of the people who’ve made it to the top of a very flat pyramid they know they know how to like here’s the thing about the military and you look at people like John Kelly being out there you know moralizing and calling president Trump a fascist which is like absurd and inappropriate and terrible on its face but it’s also like the military we should respect military service I certainly do especially you know people in combat and so forth but you know the military there’s careerism there promotion people looking after their own interests Etc the people at the top of the pyramid often are people who have satisfied the criteria for promotion and selection that’s fine you know people respond to incentives but it’s the it is it is the most ruthless selection process and bear in mind talk about the Republic the Army the air the Navy and the Marine Corps predate the Constitution so these are very deeply embedded institutions people live their entire adult lives in them if they get to be a fourstar so you just got like again going to like a new left thing you look at it sociologically you’re like this is going to have some pathologies obviously it’s a really important institution but you got to like but I think at the end of the day this is going to have some pathology nicely put nicely put there there are people in there who want to do the right thing you know or or or or they can be motivated to do the right thing fantastic people in the military and if they’re rewarded for it they will go they will get it because a lot of the guys who would have wanted to do that they cash out as a colonel or a Navy captain or a one star you know but if we if we if we put the the you president Trump and his team I should say they they put the right incentives I think I think I think it’ll get better I must say it’s just having spent my life in DC and just running into them lot or living near them it was always so noticeable I met so many bright energetic wise I would say Colonels yeah but far few you know I can think of one Marine two star I knew Marine General who I thought was so impressive um I’ll even say his name Vinnie colines uh wonderful man but you know didn’t meet a lot of other flag officers that I thought were anything other than politicians I think I think I’m sure they exist I mean I think real I’ll put it this way most of the real uh there there’s some brilliant defense guys I’ll mention a Democrat I have a lot of respect for Bob work who served in the Pentagon he a great guy was a marine Colonel retired uh Andrew krepinevich who was another brilliant guy an army guy um retired Colonel often the guys who are really the highest horsepower real strategic thinkers they cash out of at that level cuz that’s what the selection is for it’s not to say that other people aren’t aren’t smart but like the the people that and you know there’s so noticeable and there’s a mismatch between how people think like oh you know he has four stars Argo he’s like a strategic genius no no that’s not how the selection process works you know what I mean like they they’re promoted for like running a large a core an army Corp you know or Fleet that’s different than that’s fine but let’s let’s understand what we’re dealing with but shouldn’t the process isn’t the point of promotion to you know win out the the less capable and Elevate depends on what you’re selecting for I that’s it but I think hey how about selecting for winning you knowy like I think as opposed to like you know kind of like playing the game and saying the right things and you know we don’t know that’s the other thing about like you know I I love the meme of Mark Millie and Eisenhower and their chests like I just it’s so perfect you know it just it’s just you could speak for 10 hours and when I watched Millie in that famous now famous hearing talking about rage I thought this is a guy who doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about he’s saying words he thinks he’s supposed to say doesn’t seem terribly bright he seems weak above all he seems like the product of a bureaucracy to me which probably shouldn’t surprise me yeah and I think there’s and again to this pathology Point um you know like if you read mcmaster’s Memoirs for instance he’s almost kind of lecturing the American people about their need to like double defense spending and stay in Afghanistan until the second coming and it’s like it’s that touch grass kind of thing where like you don’t have political accountability like direct I mean for instance they not only they’re not elected but people who are civilian appointees go through political vetting so they have a kind of indirect political accountability you know where the the elect you have to demonstrate loyalty and you know you’re on on the team Etc you have to be aware of that the military they they really don’t have that ostensibly although I wonder about the left in kind of through the back door importing some of those things but so that so you get to this point where you think that you’re like well I’m speaking in front of a large group of people because I’m a fourstar general and it’s like actually you really have no standing to talk about that issue at all you know because that’s a that’s a that’s a domestic issue that you like don’t have any political finger f for and you’re supposed to be much more careful and modest about that anyway but they have no moral Authority right to speak about anything like that because they have no Authority apart from that granted them by the president exactly cuz we have civilian control and the president’s Authority comes from voters right and by the way and if somebody has Authority and it’s like the Audie Murphy guy the guy the guys that you talking to who are like out there in the field fuia or whatever they have authority you know but I’m always like you know another guy Frank McKenzie who’s out there a lot who’s constantly hammering you know these points and I was like well he was the sencom commander when the Afghanistan withdrawal happened and he didn’t put his stars on the you know if he thought there was a better way why didn’t he put his stars on the table so like why you know like okay I mean I I personally supported the Afghanistan with I believe President Trump still does but it said that it’s done terribly and that which I think is clear but it’s like you know you could you could say dght Eisenhower had a kind of moral Authority but the other thing about Dwight Eisenhower I he was actually a smarty but if you look at like his Guild Hall speech I don’t know if you remember this but like the he unlike MacArthur for instance he had a real feel for the American people civilian Army you know um like they were they were um offering the um the the award of the city of London he said I can’t accept this I accept this only on behalf of the great human forces he said you know which is like yeah it’s like regular guys you know and that’s I to me that’s I try to have that mindset about like I don’t want people to get torn limb from limb in a war with China that we could avoid let alone another like or or or Evis evapor vaporized in a nuclear explosion with Russia of course that means you don’t just like do whatever they want duh but you’ve got to like calibrate that balance always thinking about as president Trump has said going back to like what’s in the concrete interest of the American people um you’ve referred repeatedly to a potential war with China I assume that would be over Taiwan I think yes I think Taiwan would be the focal point but what I think is very scary about the Chinese and I don’t think the Chinese are behaving in frankly if you apply the way like you were in Washington from the period after the collapse of the Soviet Union right or a little bit after right but like no I was there I was there that day you’re there okay oh right exactly I know you’ve talked about this if you apply the same kind of behavior that we exhibited over the the 25 say 20 years after that and you apply that model to a China that is not constrained that’s very scary right like so we just have to apply the same model to them because again to me as like a conservative and I don’t think I I know exactly what you’re saying but maybe that’s too subtle yeah we explain precisely we went from being in the 1980s you had the wine burer doctrine of President Reagan and Reagan almost getting impeached because he was trying to help just a proxy group with the contras because people were so afraid of getting in another Vietnam and the biggest thing that he would do would have meetings with the Soviet Premier on on nuclear weapons because people were like this could happen and I really don’t want it to happen right fast forward 15 years and we’re invading Iraq and as you recall the people who were big fans of invading Iraq the plan was also to go after probably Syria and Iran and so forth informally or not I I worked for those people so you know so I mean that was not that was just the starting point oh I’m I’m aware yeah so and and the way that was The New American Century the way I interpret that is you’re going to have people like that because we’re human beings and that’s how we socialize or whatever and if there’s no constraint no you would have been like sent to the looney bin in 1982 if you’re like oh let’s invade Iraq 2003 if you said we shouldn’t invade Iraq you were like even if you were Brent skillcraft you were castigated oh right so and never rehabilitated by the way interesting well I I have I mean I don’t agree with them on everything but I I had I mean that sort of mindset I agree but I’m just saying no exactly yeah it wasn’t like you know Bren scof got rich or yeah more respect I mean he said those things you know to his own detriment yeah and I just on the China thing what I would say is they care a lot about Taiwan but I think it’s very clear they’re building a military to go Beyond Taiwan they’re building a basing architecture to go well beyond Taiwan I think that’s in a sense almost indisputable and I think they have interest to go beyond Taiwan this is what worries me is I actually fear ironically that China is living out the leninist theory of imperialism which is they need captive export markets for their over production and of course they need natural resources and other things to import and so they have a rational incentive to what the Japanese created the greater East Asia co-prosperity sphere every Empire formal or informal is not everyone but like a lot of them start out as basically commercial zones of course and that’s what I worry about and again I the good news is I think we can negotiate with China about that that’s why I think president Trump’s against a lot of criticism his willingness to be open to negotiating a deal with President she is good because we don’t we don’t have an implacable hostility or rivalry we don’t have to change I hate communism but like that’s up to them and we the last thing I want is Americans dying trying to impose our form of government on them hopefully that’s pretty un you know uncontroversial but I think I think if we just you know you know taiwan’s a tough issue because the point I’ve been making and I’ve gotten some Flack from again good quarters from The Wall Street Journal uh last couple months is like I’ve been saying we should focus on defending Taiwan and they need to step up they haven’t done it and we haven’t prioritized so I think Taiwan is on the knife’s edge right now now I think we want to avoid a war over that if we possibly can president Trump has said a war an attack on Taiwan is going to happen under my watch so I think it is absolutely incumbent upon whoever is working for him to make sure that doesn’t happen combining a strong shield with a rational defensive policy and kind of political message to China that that convinces them that look you’re better off with peace um The Wall Street Journal attacked you yeah so they um how long will the Wall Street Journal kind of be considered the preeminent place where quote conservative intellectuals explain interviews I think they’re in I think they’re actually in trouble honestly I I I you know I read them but they are so far out of whack I mean so on my on the kind National Security foreign policy issues they are total Primacy that they at this in the same breath often they’ll say our military is in terrible shape but we need to have aggressive policies in like four different theaters makes no sense it’s incoherent right on you know they’re they’re way out of step on the Conservative Republican views on like TR trade where like leiser and Navaro and the president are uh they they can’t stand you know they’ve been repeatedly criticize people like you like vice president Vance so I feel like I’m honored to be in this company um so it’s sort of like you know obviously they reflect a certain part of the you know American population which is sort of you know wealthier professionals who are probably more socially liberal the asella corridor New York Etc but I think a lot of people read them because they matter right but at some point you get so far out of whack that you actually become a liability you know they were big backers of Nikki Haley and so forth so you know I think we need but then with the rise of New Media I mean you you’ve been a Pioneer in this but others you know and and Elon and what he’s done with X and um uh you know and David Sachs and these kind of people I think there’s hope that like not only is it not going to matter as much but it may become less and less relevant yeah it seems like the Drudge Report to me you know you have in your mind that this no I mean drudge went from drudge was of course sold uh to left Wingers they’ve never admitted that but I I believe that’s true um but the W Street Journal in some sense has been also I mean they don’t I don’t know people who Imagine The Wall Street Journal is conservative are sort of like haven’t been paying attention it’s like the socially liberal fiscal conservative yeah and they were like mocking president Trump in the interview I thought that was pretty lame and kind of gross it’s a really dishonest newspaper and I’m rooting for its demise I just want to say that um I mean that I hope it could get reformed but you know you’re right no you’re totally right we’ve seen enough institutions destroyed I just um I do think it’s really a garbage newspaper and and um and I wish more people realized that I can’t control myself sorry out of control um so when do you think it’ll be clear like who’s administering Trump’s foreign policy I mean I I just I honestly don’t know I mean it’s up obviously up to him um but you know what what I would say is I hope he makes you know picks people who will implement the vision that that he ran on and that you know you uh and others have supported him so ably about i i as just as sincerely as an American I mean even if I’m not part of it or I’m dog catcher or whatever I mean that I think if honestly if if the Primacy types who could get us into multiple Wars get in there you’re going to have to get to a more realistic foreign policy eventually well they’ll destroy Trump dest adist people like Pompeo whom I know personally hate Trump they hate Trump and you know I don’t care what says or Lindsey Graham says oh he’s so great you know they suck up to him on Fox news but they hate him and they’re working to undermine him and they did throughout his four years in office and the four years that followed they undermined him because they hate him so I I I just hope that there is a new generation in the Republican party of people who maybe aren’t even ideological but just put America America’s interest America is the whole point of our government I think there is a new generation people in their 20s and 30s I’m very hopeful I me I talked to a lot of them what I’m worried about is I don’t think there’s any I mean you maybe like and and well Trump is like an exception but you know you look at a guy like vice president Vance he’s only I think 40 yes you know a lot of the best Senators you know are are much younger you look like Eric Schmidt uh Eric Schmidt is amazing Jim Banks you know younger guys like you know and the problem is people just naturally like well we need somebody who 65 or whatever and it’s sort of like but I think it’s even worse than than than what you’re suggesting because like you know let’s say we get in a big Middle Eastern war and you have people who are talking about an independent Taiwan or regime change in China or regime change in Russia and we get bogged down why wouldn’t the Chinese attack like just I mean thinking about think apply how we behaved the project for New American Century style thinking and just think that those people will be in the ascendency in Beijing the way I think about Tucker is like we’re like a heavyweight boxer and China’s another heavyweight boxer Russia’s like a middleweight and maybe North Korea and Iran or like you know Welter weights or featherweights or whatever those guys can they can tear you out and China can call us to a match at any time at any time and if we’re not ready that is like terrible you know and so at that point we would have to put a more realistic foreign policy but my view and this is I think a real point to the kind of people who read The Wall Street Journal on bed page the point that I would make to them is if we go down this path of aggressive policies in three or four different theaters of the world without the backing we will end up bloodied and bruised we will have catastrophic defeat lots of Americans will be killed and the American people may very well say I’m done I’m done this is you know all the rules based International order this is what it led to forget about it and that if you want to save it if you want to save something like I think I think mine is like the the reform rather than the radical upheaval mine is like hey no I believe in the postwar I just don’t believe in the post 19 absurd hubris going around the people yeah we can the cold war that and I keep going back to it but just like I I I just TR because like you know Senator McConnell will talk about Eisenhower all the time and I’m like dude Eisenhower thought that if there were US troops in Europe at the end of the 1950s it was a failure he’s the one who came up with the uncle sucker line not president Trump so you want to talk about the Cold War Legacy we were pretty ruthless you know the Germans attacked us or excuse me sound like John the the Japanese attacked us in 1941 and we let the Soviets do the bulk of the fighting and we put Germany first why cuz and I’m glad as a descendant of people who are in the European theater of operations I’m glad that the Soviets but George Schultz when he went and dealt with his counterpart he went he visit he wrote about this very movingly he went to the SE Cemetery in Leningrad and he he offered a somber salute and I had the honor to meet Schultz a couple times and this was not a you 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and healing come to us here in the United States and around the world Christianity obviously is Attack under attack everywhere that’s not an accident why is Christianity the most peaceful of all religions under attack globally did you see the opening the Paris Olympics there’s a reason because the battle is not temporal it’s taking place in the Unseen World it’s a spiritual battle obviously so try hallow get three months completely free at hallow that’s hall.com Tucker if there is ever a time to get spiritually in tune and ground yourself in prayer it’s now hallo will help person personally and strongly and totally sincerely recommend it hall.com Tucker what happened to all the Bush People you were here for that yeah um not just the President Bush and his family are pretty clear we for Comm Harris but but all the people who staff that Administration um do all of them still buy those ideas those 20-year-old ideas or have any come around to your position it’s a it’s a great question because I know a lot of them it’s like you I like a lot of them you know and some of them know uh I admire some I don’t admire others um and people are going you know lot a lot of them put Flags in the ground with the the foolish and inappropriate never Trump letters in 2016 and they’re kind of so their hands are a bit tied so I don’t know how they would behave in a in a vacuum I think you see sort of various stages of grief I mean various PE people kind of adapting in different in different ways or not adapting some people are kind of like unreconstructed some are kind of like resigned to where things are going um you know what’s funny about the bush I mean I don’t I mean you remember this better than I do but I remember like Bush ran on a more humble foreign policy I know you know I mean actually what Trump’s saying is not that radically different from the kind of bush Vibe which was against the crusading progressivism of Bill Clinton now he ended up totally abandoning that unfortunately to his eternal discredit um and in a sense he BEC he was a progressive he was he was armed progressivism Bill crystal is let’s let’s fight the end of History you know basically which is like that’s not in any way and and I mean conservative I’m not s like Angela the dancing on the head of a pin it’s it’s not common sense right um but I think I think a lot of those people it’s probably it’s going to be hard to incorporate them you know there’s sort of to and a lot you know sociologically again it’s they’re invested in the in the old model and so I think we’re going to need the trouble is that all the credentialing has been on that side and so all of it almost all of it I mean I’m not to make anything myself but like I’m a rare and I was I was teetering on the maybe passing over at the edge of respectability or whatever the mainstream is you know for years and you know I think what I find though encouraging Tucker is I and this is where I mean wait can I say you you went to gron and Harvard right okay yeah well so are you the only person in the world who went to gr and Harvard who voted for Donald Trump you know I don’t think so actually my gr and Harvard roommate was indicating I think there are a few others I mean I you know but I mean okay so you got me I I you know people say thistime I think they say it about you too it’s like oh you’re from the elite background how can you not support the elite and I’m always like the elite is supposed to work for the public interest and by the way that was the model Teddy Roosevelt was behind the founding of Groton school which I went there I have very fond memories a lot of people who are associated with that hate Donald Trump and everything I proudly support him but I think the whole point the is to Ser you know service is perfect Freedom the idea is public service is putting the interests of the public ahead and so I to be honest I find the current establish I look at mour Joe or something and I’m like this is not what America deserves okay so I have the same perspective and I would say more bro The Identical perspective and I would say that nobody reforms um the system who doesn’t understand the system always Teddy Roosevelt saved capitalism in the United States by restrain he was hated by his peers by restraining the Monopoly exactly and the only reason he was able to do that was because he was pushing back against his own class he understood them right right so no I’m not attacking you for going to Harvard I’m I’m rather saying I think it’s essential that you understand JD Vance hated Trump went to y Law School started going up to the Aspen Institute to speak in the summer found the people there so repulsive he’s like oh he that he has become their nightmare because he knows who they are he had dinner with David Brooks many times exactly so anyway totally totally and I think like and and I think like that’s you know I love this this clip of Maggie goodlander getting called out by this you know we it should be challenged if you’re like anybody should be subject to challenge and that’s what’s so great about like X and podcast did Magie goodlander win I’m embarrassed uh I think so I’m not sure and I’m like not picking on her particularly but like you know there a fair point but I mean my my view is and it’s aopo because the other woman I think was in I think she’s her family’s from China but you know even under Ma I mean the ultimate uh egalitarian system there is an establishment there is an elite of and of course Shin ping is a product of that dogs create hierarchies you’re always going to have a hierarchy so the question is not do you have a ruling class you’re getting a ruling class is it do you have a good ruling class or do you have Jake Sullivan and Tony blinkin that’s the best we got and here’s the other thing you know and I don’t want to cry too much of a river here but like they are the establishment and they act so in like a sociologically conservative way they’re all going to leave office and they’re all going to get great jobs on Wall Street and they’re all going to go to law firms and whatever and it’s the people who are taking on the establishment and are taking the slings and arrows and hopefully metaphorically alone but to me that’s the point that’s what that’s what you’re supposed to do if you if you know as the Bible says to whom much is given of much is expected I strongly agree with that and I think you’re a model of that honestly and I’m not just saying that well no but I I I really believe in that and I’m just I’m just so offended by I’m so offended by the mediocrity and selfishness and stupidity of our ruling class that I just can’t and I don’t care if they kill me I I will never stop feeling that way just so um Bridge Colby I am rooting for you fervently I just wanted to make sure everyone knows who you are and what you think this process is taking place privately as it has to but I also think that people who voted for Trump because they want a calmer World they don’t want the United States or him to be destroyed in Wars I think they should know what’s going on so I hope this provides a little sunlight thank you very much my friend bless thank you thank you [Applause] [Music] thanks for watching our YouTube channel we hope you’ll subscribe to it and by the way you can hit the little Bell on there and get notifications every time we produce a video we hope you’ll do that also
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