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well our next guest says that England not Russia is the real culprit in foreign election interference that guess you know the mainstream media is just not interested in covering the story except our next guest who’s an excellent journalist journalist Paul Thacker and Matt taibe broke a story that shows British advisers to kamla Harris are working overtime right now to kill Elon musk’s Twitter I still call it Twitter X whatever you want to call it because it is absolutely an affront to their narrative and uh this is an unbelievable story that Paul has written along with Matt taibe and we wanted to ask Paul all about it Paul welcome to the show great to see you again hey thanks for having me back great to have you here so you and Matt uncovered this remarkable story and I have not seen any of you know I’ve seen the New York Times covering this The Washington Post covering this but British advisers to Kamala Harris working with the kamla Harris campaign to try to eliminate X shut it down completely can you walk us through what what you uncovered here so it’s a little more Nuance than that um what it is is there there’s there’s a political front group um called the center for cter digital hate um and it’s been in the States now for about the last three years and last year I did a story for tablet which is a Jewish conservative um online magazine about who ccdh was because you know so I mostly cover corruption in science and medicine and the sen you know I saw the White House in 2021 talking about the disinformation Dozen and how they were basically you know causing all this antivaccine misinformation that was happening in the world and they were spoken about from the White House um uh President Biden referenced them saying that you know by say you know it said like they’re killing people um you know an off-hand comment and I was just like who is this Center for counting digital hate i’ spent 10 years in Washington three years in the Senate running investigations I know how Washington works and so I was just like sitting back and thinking how does this unknown nonprofit that I found out was being run by a British political operative who’d worked for members of parliament how did they get the ear of the White House like in the pting of the White House I mean if you understand anything about Washington the way it works there are hundreds hundreds of nonprofits hundreds of advocacy groups hundreds of think tanks all trying to get a message out it’s a crowded like world of people just yelling and screaming listen to me listen to me listen to me white peers are coming out every day and so I started looking at their background and what I found out was there were a group that was created by a guy named Morgan mcweeney he is I would say he’s probably like the Carl Rove of England Super brilliant genius political strategist um he uh put together a package that he’s now the chief of staff to the Prime Minister Kier starmer he put Kier starmer in the prime minister’s seat and what they did was they first had to take out the head of Labor who was a guy named Jeremy Corbin who’s what’s called he’s he’s a lefty and so they wanted to k kick the lefties out and then put in you know the center the the conservative wing of the party so you want to think about like Bernie Sanders was actually you know head of the you know Democratic part and then Along Comes someone like you know Hillary Clinton and takes him out right so she’s more on the conservative end so that’s what they did and what they did was they started attacking him left and right accusing him of anti-Semitism they also did this to a website called the canary which is a leftist website in the UK that was basically kind of a mouthpiece for a lot of Jeremy Corman policies and what they did was they it was constant constant attacks against the canary accusing of anti-Semitism accusing them of misinformation accusing them of hate none of this stuff was ever found to be true but what it did was it drove away their advertisers so they were then able to tank the website by pushing away advertisers so they had no money now surprise surprise this is the exact strategy that’s being used now against Elon Musk with Twitter constant constant reports coming out accusing him of hate anti-Semitism transgender this um the latest one today is that like this came out yesterday in the Washington Post that like the community notes doesn’t function effectively um and so it’s a strategy that was created back in London what they did was then the guy who’s running is a guy named Imran akmed he’s a political adviser he’ worked for several MPS no one really knows where the money comes from this group by the way I mean this guy was off the payroll for anyone for about three years um so no one really knows where the money comes from but you know they ended up in the states and so I’ve been looking at them and I’ve written several stories about them and got you know as oftentimes happens in journalism you’re the guy who becomes the expert on some group and then a whistleblowers when they want to come talk to someone they approach you I got approached by people inside ccdh who gave me internal documents you know I have hundreds of pages of stuff I’m still getting leaks today um and uh I was going through their weekly meetings and their annual priority for this year was kill must Twitter and the second it literally says that like that’s it literally says kill musk’s Twitter kill musk Twitter the second bullet point is advertising Focus so as soon as like that’s exactly what they had done to the canary um and so in my tablet piece I’d interviewed the um former editor-in Chief of the canary you know a woman very leus was was totally distraught over what happened to her you know she was telling me like how terrible it was to be accused of being an anite when she was like I’m a person of color I’m autistic you know she’s like who did the Nazis first come after it was people like me and now I’m being accused of being a Nazi I mean it was really weird you know this all happened years prior and she was was almost in tears when I was talking to her I could hear all I mean you when you have interview sometimes someone’s really in distress explain to you like how how you know tormented they are by like what happened to them so I knew immediately what this meant and you know I also we had other internal documents they had a they had a private meeting this last summer sener for County digital hate likes to pretend that they’re bipartisan I mean anyone in Washington knows that bipartisan means you know if you’ve got like 99 Republican Senators and you know one Dem Democratic senator then you say aha bipartisan you know same right 99 Democrats one Republican aha bipartisan I have also um a roster of the meeting they had this last summer it’s all these Lefty groups who are through musk Media Matters for America Tech this Tech that and then Democratic party um staff and so they’re not bipartisan they’re very much focused on um allying themselves with the Democratic Party the guy who is chair of the board is a man named Simon Clark who was formerly at the center for American progress so for people who might have forgotten that’s the group that essentially ran Hillary Clinton’s uh 2016 campaign um it’s a Democratic party Think Tank um in Washington DC so they’re definitely a creature of the you know they’re Democratic party you know Allied group that’s pretending to be you know non you know nonpartisan and objective but they’re not they’re a political campaign created in London and and then brought over here passed off from the labor together the conservative wing of the labor party and then now they’re being used by the corporate Wing the the you know the corporate AR the Democratic party corporate Wing to help them do the exact same thing that they did in um in the UK so is this foreign election interference if we know the Democratic party is specifically working with a foreign entity to upend I mean could you label it as foreign election interference give the fact that they’re going after Elon Musk and they’re not I mean could have they found some sort of loophole well it’s really weird like you know I mean you can see in the internal documents that for instance they don’t know whether they should so they’re Incorporated in the in the non in the tax code is a C3 um so for a nonprofit that’s supposed to be you know educational in nature and at a certain point in time if you have too much contact with the government too much contact with Congress you then need to form what’s called a C4 which are these traditional groups that you know rich people pour money into for political campaigns so in their own notes they’re concerned that they might need to form a C4 um I can also see that like they’re spending enormous amounts of time lobbying um like it’s even in we have their tax forms now that I think we’re going to release sometime soon um for last year they took in 20% of their funding for the nonprofit so they have an office in the UK they have an office um also in DC the money is passing back and forth it’s very great what’s going on right now and from what we can tell so um in their first year in the United States they took in according to their tax their their tax uh it’s called the 990s their tax forms for a nonprofit they took in about $1.4 million which I just want if you’re not in DC you don’t understand this but I’ll explain this to you I was talking to a friend of mine who uh works in the house um on the Democratic party side uh you know ivy league law grab uate um worked for public citizen worked for a major Foundation funding um leftist groups now is a house you know um um Congressional staffer and we’re just talking and I said I was like Michael could you leave the house today with your CV starting on profit and in your first year raised $1.5 million and he starts laughing he says no and I’m like okay well that tells you something weird is going on here so I found out through through another group they got a big bullus of money $1.1 million was one donation I found out from talking to people internally at ccdh that came up from a woman named alen kashishian she’s on the board she’s a Hollywood agent um her um her clients include Mark Ruffalo her partner um for her agency um is the um agent for the singer Santa Gomez and apparently Santa Gomez also donated $100,000 this last year so most of the money has come out of Hollywood um at least initially although we know when they were um operating in the UK a lot of the money was coming from wealthy Jewish donors in London interesting where has the kamla Harris campaign commented to you um have they have they admitted to this or they have they distanced themselves from this they have just kind of totally ignored all this um so the group that is the conservative Wing that Morgan mcweeny started he started a group called Labor together and so this was a group it was designed to put the conservative you know arm of um labor back in charge of the party and then win the win the Prime Minister seat and that’s what they did so first they pushed out Jeremy Corbin they put in kir starmer and then eventually Kier starmer defeated the conservatives so it was a two-step process get the Lefty out take control of the party and then defeat the conservatives and so kir starmer is now the Prime Minister labor together is still around it’s a think tank um back in the UK they have denied excuse me they have denied working with Center for countering digital hate in a direct statement to us we know that’s false and I just I mean it’s I I I had to send an email to one of the people I was dealing with back in the UK and I told him I said look DC ain’t London and before you come to my country baby you gotta level up your game is weak you know their their game is so pathetic in the UK compared to the way it’s run in in in DC I mean you I mean you’re know it works you never lie to reporters you you know you push it away you would you you put out a statement that like because you don’t know what they have but they just blatantly lied to us wow um so is it working and I guess what’s the agenda what’s for those of our audience members that might be sitting there saying well why why would they want to take destroy Elon musk’s Twitter why would they want to take it down why would they want to remove it from the playing field why would they want to take away Elon musk’s Twitter and then have they been successful in any of the advertisers that they’ve gone after oh sure so they their agenda when they because what also concerned me was they put out this disinformation dozen report right and one of the people they attacked was RFK Jr right obviously a threat to the Democratic party a guy who’s running like as an old school Democrat and they two I could tell very clearly from the beginning there two Targets were RFK Jr and Elon Musk why Elon Musk because when Elon Musk bought Twitter he took away the Democratic party’s censorship toy I mean they’re pissed to this day they can’t censor anymore there’s all this pretense that you know Twitter was just you know first off I want to say one thing there is an idea out there amongst conservatives that they are being censored that’s totally false everyone is being censored um the people who are not being censored are those who fall politically in the center left so if you align very carefully with the you know corporate DNC you’re fine as soon as you go to the left a little bit soon as you go a little bit too far out of like you know what’s that called Lincoln project whatever it’s called you know right right yeah yeah like Hillary Clinton if you’re in the if you’re in the Hillary Clinton Lane then you’re fine if you if you drift off then if you drift off from that you know you see what happened to Bernie Sanders right so yeah if you’re in that Hillary Clinton Lane you’re fine right right they’re gonna kneecap you as soon as you step outside of that and so that’s kind of what’s going on right there um and so I thought that was very interesting to figure that out because again you know so think about this what happened when ccdh came to America is they didn’t really need to kill off a left we don’t really have a left like at the federal level you know you’ve got Bernie Sanders who’s now back in the fold you’ve got the squad you know just squawking a lot they’re not passing legislation or anything like that they’re messaging right right so their immediate threat was RFK Jr and Elon Musk because you know now now now I mean look what’s going on on Twitter right now people are able to talk about things they couldn’t talk about before you know I mean I was I was just I was on another show I was on the Kim Iverson show Kim Iverson has she has a regular part of her show and then she says okay we’re taking a break okay we’re now going to the rumble section you know like where she kind of knows that like there’s things that she can’t have on YouTube because it’ll be censored that’s we have to do the same thing we have to do the same thing if we cover Co yeah we have to say byebye to YouTube we have to go over to rumble now because we can’t cover this story on YouTube okay yeah so I didn’t know that everyone’s doing that I was just shocked to hear that from Kim you know because um you know I I you know I’m I’m on Twitter you know and then I’m I’m writing stuff on substack and so I’m not worried about that stuff anymore you know so it’s just really about power you know it’s about power it’s about how they’re able to control the narrative you know the thing that I say is it took me a while to understand this is you know in this industry the fact Checkers don’t check facts the fact Checkers check narratives it’s all about trying to control what you can say what you can learn and how you can think that’s what it’s about have they um and I’ll get you out of here on this Paul and I don’t know that we we answered it but on the on the advertiser question have you been able to pinpoint any advertisers that they’ve been effectively able to eradicate from Elon musk’s Twitter oh sure there was a piece I wrote last year for the New York Post about how you know I I described as a pincher movement you could see that you know in Elon Musk suit over this last summer right you could tell that Med Matters from America was putting out these reports and then you’d see ccdh putting out these reports and then suddenly Bob Iger at Disney is like Whoa We Can’t advertise anymore like how can we do this I mean I saw this I’m like oh come on this is totally happening behind the scenes Bob Iger is a big donor to the Biden administration his name was floated in the Wall Street Journal to potentially become ambassador to China I mean I I can see what’s going on like I mean I know there’s phone calls happening be I’m not stupid I’ve been doing this for a little bit bit I know there’s phone calls happening behind the scenes you know I know there’s Communications going on you know maybe it’s not totally coordinated but people understand what you have to like I mean when you got a grown person with a high IQ at a certain level they they can see the opportunities happening when it’s presented for them you know so that’s what’s going on you know and um to me what was really shocking at that time is again like so I was a science major I wasn’t history major not Humanities very much but I was trying to you know look back through my understanding of American history and I was trying to understand a point I mean theore Roosevelt went after the big corporations right and like Democrats are now going after the oil and gas industry for instance and Republicans have their own kind of things they go after I can’t think of a time in history in American history where a political party targeted an individual you know normally it’s Industries you go after but this is very carefully a Target on Elon musk’s back you know um and you know I just like you know one other quick thing you know when he was being targeted by the you know people in Brazil you know normally you know if if an America company’s being targeted by people in a foreign country the White House is going to speak up State Department is going to speak up on their behalf it took the White House almost a week to say anything and they only did so because they went after a separate company they were angry about what x was doing and so they targeted Tesla which is crazy in in any way that that would happen that’s the game it’s unbelievable and you’re right I mean X is honestly regardless of how anyone feels about Elon Musk right now the fact that we can actually get information in a way that we we wouldn’t because Fox News wouldn’t be covering it MSNBC wouldn’t be covering it all we could we did a whole show yesterday on stuff that you won’t see anywhere on the mainstream media because you’re able to cover it on X um and it’s it’s shocking right now and if they take that away imagine how this election would be different if x didn’t exist I mean we’re talking about voter fraud in Pennsylvania we’re talking about issues with leaked passwords um in Colorado on these voting machines you wouldn’t hear any of this information it’s unbelievable so um well I think this is great work by you and Matt and this is one of the reasons why RFK Jr tweeted out like follow you know of the best journalists in the world right now that you should follow you my friend are one of them so um everyone should follow Paul on X while X still exists um Paul great to see you great work along with Matt on this story and uh and keep at it my friend great to see you Paul hey thanks for us for having me back on again
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