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so uh who’s you’ve been in politics what Ford campaign 76 is that when you started started y who’s going to win this race uh Donald Trump that you sound pretty authoritative on that I think it’s his to lose at this point in time yes [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] why do you say that well you look at the composition of the undecided voter and uh you in seven Battleground States the undecided voter overwhelmingly thinks the country has been going in the wrong direction they feel like they have not benefited in the last four years they remember because Trump was President just four years ago what it was like when he was president pre-co and so they can compare his record versus the Biden Harris record and and you look at the undecided a issue agenda it’s uh it’s the Trump issue agenda the number one issue is the economy inflation number two is the border and illegal immigration and crime uh and uh third issue is safety in the world and somewhere there’s abortion somewhere there’s is is uh is fear for democracy but when you you look at how the voters feel on De the issue of democracy it splits 50/50 I mean half the country is fearful because of what Biden has been doing and the other half is fearful because of what Biden says Trump will do except Trump has been president so you can’t say Trump will do something beyond what he did as president before so the issue doesn’t cut with the remaining Underside it’s what cutes the economy the border the wars in in Ukraine and uh in the Gulf and there he has a 10 to 12o lead and those major issues over Harris among the undecideds so it’s kind of that simple I mean so their issues Harris’s issues are Trump’s personality abortion in January 6th Trump’s issues are the economy the Border crime and the threat of nuclear war it seems like he’s got a much stronger hand than she does yeah I mean if she had run a different campaign it might have been more difficult for Trump but she basically gave Trump his issues to to be the deciding issues in the campaign she’s realized that I think you’ve seen now when she talks about uh you know she the closing Narrative of her campaign is Trump is unhinged he’s unstable uh and uh and she’s using former Republicans as advocates to make the point she’s doing that that because the undecided vote that’s left out there isn’t vote that is inclined towards her for the reasons I just said and so she’s got to peel off soft vote from Trump or people who would not be for who would not be for her but don’t like Trump and so they’re not going to vote and so she’s trying to get that sort of uh I guess the the old the Rhino Republican the the the anti-trumpers the Suburban women uh Republican women uh and so she’s her job is to get those type of people to come out to vote for her but the people who are undecided and are going to vote in the election are the ones that have the profile that I’ve described and uh and so as long as Trump stays on message you know they’re going to break into my judgment uh in favor uh it’s you know because I’ve been around a long time but in 1980 I was involved in 1980 Reagan campaign at a senior level and in that campaign it was there are a lot of parallels to this race you had a failed Democrat president and Jimmy Carter the issues were economic and the issues were the the Iran hostage situation um and uh uh and but Reagan was an unknown commodity he’d been Governor California but he the The Carter campaign against him was he was a cowboy he was Reckless he would there’d be World War II and uh but the issue would just agenda was an economic issue agenda and uh and like with Trump this year and So Reagan had to prove himself as being capable of President Trump doesn’t have to do that because he’s already been president so that first hdle that Reagan had uh Trump doesn’t have uh although Harris was trying to make that into a negative hurdle for for Trump uh but once rean was able to demonstrate he was he could be president which he did in the the only debate that had with Carter the uh undecided vote just all moved over to Trump in the last 10 days of the campaign to toward Reagan I mean to to Reagan the last 10 days of the campaign because they saw Reagan as a strong leader and they they were voting against Carter’s economic record uh you’ve got that same kind of dynamic in this race right now so 45 years later I think very few people remember that the Carter Reagan race in the fall of 1980 was cons Ed Too Close to call or maybe Carter’s to lose correct that is correct right that is correct and it was a uh it was a landslide Victory it certainly was um I mean changed American politics for the next 30 years at least that’s right so um you were in it was it obvious to you that Reagan was going to win we knew the last week of the campaign he was going to win uh our data was all uh very uh very clear and uh we didn’t know the Lance that would be as big as it was but we knew it was going to be a big win uh we we actually started spending time covertly on some of the Senate races because we were looking to and we we won a number of Senate sees that were weren’t supposed to win in 1980 because the tide was that strong uh but the but what had happened in 1980 is all the polling companies National polls shut down the last week of the campaign because it showed Carter winning uh and they all thought he was going to win and uh and so there was no polling the last week of the campaign except for us we we were we were doing our our uh targeted States the internal polling from the r campaign from the campaign and uh and so we saw the break we saw what was happening and uh and so we weren’t surprised on Election Day did every um Legacy Media account I read of the state of the race today tells me that it’s just too close to call is that um you don’t you don’t seem to think that it’s too close to call why are they saying that well I think it’s no I think it is a close election I think that the undecideds when they break are going to break 3 to2 two to one for uh for Trump uh he’s ahead now in all seven Battleground States and in fact you know I draw your attention to start watching Virginia Minnesota and maybe even New Mexico where the races have gotten close you know close meaning a couple points uh and the movement is against Harris in those States now do I think they’ll close for Harris probably but it we could see happening in those States what we do see happening in the seven Battleground States and then thecid is the differences in the Battleground states were already ahead in every one of them and so any breaking disproportionally to to Trump will enhance the lead uh as opposed to Virginia or Minnesota where we need to take the lead from the breaking uh but it’s possible I mean and and the the clues you see uh is when you look at what’s happened this past weekend in some of the key Democrat Senate incumbent races in the blue wall States uh in Wisconsin and in M Michigan and Pennsylvania you have incumbent Democrat Senators running uh who are in dead heat races with Republican Challengers and uh public polling and you look they’ve all put up ads this weekend all Three Graces where the Democrat senators are endorsing Trump policies by name in their political advertising using the word Donald Trump using the word to they support the Trump border plan they support the Trump fracking plan they support the Trump tariff plan uh depending on the states uh uh yeah they would you have a Democrat supporting the Trump border plan yeah well that’s like a violation of the catechism that’s a big deal to say something like that I think and and the Trump tariff plan in in Michigan is not something that Harris is supporting at all and yet slotkin is and in her advertising when you see that kind of evidence you know they’re seeing in their private polling what we’re seeing in in in our private polling which is that the undecideds that are left in the race uh probably in theirs and ours since there’s they’re tracking uh are on the same issue agenda and they wouldn’t be meaning on economics Trump’s position on tariffs in Michigan Trump’s position on fracking in Pennsylvania um and uh it’s so you see it empirically in there you see in our data we we we feel like watching the shift in the in the narrative that Harris has taken the past week uh since her fox interview where she not is totally under this personality cult attack and that he’s too dangerous to be president giving up all the issues he’s giving up the issue agenda uh and and making her race all about why would she do that because I think she believes she sees what we see which is that on the the the main issues she has not sold her case and Trump has they view Trump as better on dealing with inflation by 12 points in in some of the Republic polls they see Trump On the Border by over 12 points over 15 points over her um and trusting him to deal with overseas issues by 10 points she sees that so you know it’s too late in the campaign now to to change that that direction so she’s got to throw the Hail Mary Paris which was the other core part of her strategy which is Trump is unhinged and unstable and she’s focusing on the soft vote and Republican vote or the Republican vote that’s not voting which is Suburban women uh and and targeting them on the message and using Liz Cheney and and others uh so if you’re if you’re pulling out the chenies as a Democratic presidential candidate in the last moments I mean first of all you you know you deserve to lose more than anything for doing that but but if someone had told you five years ago that the most left-wing American Senator would become the Democratic presidential candidate and trot the chenies out what I mean I mean you can’t make that stuff up I mean no and and the thing is both parties have got their base I mean Trump’s going to getting into all the public polls between 90 and 93% of the Republican vote she’s getting between 90 and 93 2% of the democratic vote so this is not a base election anymore the base you know but what she’s trying to do is mix up the base a little bit by by some of these anti-trump Republicans who are not voting for the most part or and uh and and try and peel those votes over to her because she’s not confident she can win over the undecided voter in Western Pennsylvania uh because of where the Trump’s position over her is on the economy on fracking uh this is this is where she failed in her debate with Trump and uh her job at that debate was to introduce herself to the country but to also show that she had a plan she didn’t do that and by going dark with with the with the media for so long she never defined herself uh and in what the Trump campaign has done using her and her public appearances and a recorded statements from 2019 as well as the while vice president we’ve defined her using her on her positions and that’s worked and and uh as a result you have uh a lot of he’s carrying the independent vote he’s he’s we could carry the Hispanic vote um like majority like majority in a couple of the Battleground States yes like a majority he’s getting 25% of the so that’s a history changing uh change in politics if that happens yeah and and you know it’s for a lot of reasons but all of them make sense it’s in depending on in Nevada and Arizona uh it’s because of the Border it’s because of the crime it’s because of the impact of illegals on their communities um but it’s also cultural values and and wokeism uh you know and family values uh it’s it’s School Board issues and transgender and things like that uh where in the Hispanic families it’s it’s a culturally tight-knit family situation these are issues that bother him I think Nevada is majority Hispanic now or it’s pretty close or yeah close for sure um and so the idea was that people with Hispanic last names love illegal immigration but that’s turned out it’s not true at all no because they’re paying the they’re suffering the most um and one because they’re of their jobs two because of the impact on limited Community Resources three the crime is in their neighborhoods and uh uh and and you’ve had Harris out there for three and a half years saying there’s no problem there is no border problem they you’re not recognizing it not even visiting it and being empathetic uh and that has resonated in the Hispanic Community uh and and we’re seeing that in the Hispanic community in PE places like Pennsylvania as well and uh U it’s so that that framework of the elector it is totally tilting away is and when when some of this Hispanic vote and a lot of the black vote that’s now favoring Trump it’s a it’s has two it’s a twofer for us because it’s one vote out of the Democratic candidate one vote for the Republican it’s it’s not just a a swing voter that’s you know for grabs you know she’s losing a vote every time we gain a black vote uh you know that she normally would have had as a Democrat nominee and again the the reason these people the the the profile of the Trump black voter this time are black men under 25 I mean under 35 and it’s for a reason they’ve suffered economically they’ve given up on the uh the promises of Democratic party they they and and Trump in some ways is a iconic figure to them uh and and but they he definitely gets them they and they see that he gets them um so it’s not that vote is not vote that’s going to slip away in the next two weeks as we get close uh close to the election and that’s why she’s targeting disaffected women Republicans who don’t like Trump the personality it’s just kind of weird that she’d be running on Trump’s personality because it’s the single most familiar fact in All American politics what Donald Trump’s personality is like because we’ve talked about it every single day for 10 years so is there really room for movement on that question is there anyone thinking oh wow Trump is kind of volatile I had no idea I think I won’t vote for him she’s already got those voters exactly yeah I mean it’s baked in and that’s why the these undecided voters if you look at any focus groups that are out there you’ll see they all are saying yeah I don’t like his personality but I was better for the underhead when he was president and I don’t know what she stands for and I don’t want to risk for more years uh and these are people who traditionally vote Democrats because they told us remember they would always remember I mean it’s all they talked about for the better part of a decade Trump is a racist Trump is a racist let me repeat Trump is a racist and now he’s like on track to win the majority of the Hispanic vote in a huge chunk of black men I guess that didn’t work we can say no it didn’t I mean [Music] it’s that could have worked if it was part of a strategy but not the work because it’s the strategy and uh yeah that’s all that she’s offering people who have had a very lousy three and a half years do they even say that anymore Trump is a race remember that was the only thing they said they’re not saying it that way anymore although I think you will see in the next two weeks they will get that raw again because that’s the stage that they’re at in the campaign so I I think it’s going to be a very ugly close by by the Harris campaign in what way I mean they will be tossing around Hitler and racism and things like that as if they were not as not the kind of powerful words that they are who knows you better than you know yourself is it your spouse your parents your siblings oh someone knows you even better than they do if you own a smartphone a computer or any device that’s connected to the internet there are thousands of companies some of whom you’ve never heard of who know you better than you know yourself well how do they do that well because they have your data and because they have your data they know everything you’ve ever bought even the things you’ve almost bought they know who you talk to they know your 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weirdos on the internet knowing everything that you’re doing protect yourself right now use our special link to get three extra months of expressvpn for free go to expressvpn.com Tucker to learn more that’s Express vpn.com Tucker to reclaim your privacy yeah they’re much less powerful than they used to be though I remember the first time someone said something like that called him Hitler or said he was a white supremacist or racist I remember being really shocked by it now it’s like oh shut up well it’s people are more immune to it again in my personal opinion she’s got the vote that’s going to be moved by that right uh that’s not going to be the last 5% and uh yeah and so Trump is running a closing campaign that’s dealing with what what the undecided want to hear um she is running a closing campaign that’s based on fear trying to trying to make the undecided voter fear Trump and therefore just resignedly say okay I’m willing to risk four more years of this because I fear Trump right I don’t think that’s a winning close and uh and I don’t see it in the the data and and I don’t see it in my experience in politics uh of being the kind of thing in a close race if you will uh that will be allow people to vote against their economic interest uh because that’s what the these undecided people are saying is I’ve had a miserable four years yeah I believe Trump can do a better job for me but I’m going to vote against him I don’t see that happening do you feel confident enough to bet on it uh if I were a betting man yes do do you believe in the predictions markets the betting markets well I mean I pay attention to them and uh and if you look at the betting markets today they’re at the highest point in the in the all the years Trump has been in politics saying that Trump’s going to win it’s like uh the the average I think today is like 58 59% of the of the Betty Market is saying Trump now and and you can track how that Betty Market has gone since she came into the race when she had the was first announced and when we went through the sugar high and then the the debate I mean they the the betting markets followed her and and were favoring her but over the last month as the campaign uh the campaign strategies have impacted the electorate at the Grassroots level You’ started to see it ticking up for Trump and now it’s dramatically up for Trump um going into the close the last two weeks of the close and I don’t see any major October surprise as we call it that’s going to come up uh that can change that trajectory now um the hurricane season is almost over yeah uh the the war situation I think is the war they’re waiting it out for the next two weeks to see who wins I could be wrong but I mean if Israel does something in Striking in Iran I that doesn’t hurt trump it could hurt Harris uh the economy’s not going to get better in the next two weeks uh so there’s no event that’s going to change the trajectory of the race like the debate did in 1980 Reagan versus Carter allowing the undersigned to vote their economic interest there’s nothing that’s going to change I don’t believe that will allow the undecided to vote against their economic interests for SS uh that’s been and and again Trump is ahead in all seven states right now by the by the public polling uh uh uh summaries so the the B Foundation is there and you also have what we call the the unknown Trump Factor where historically Trump is one or two points better than the polls show him to be uh and in some cases dramatically more than one or two points uh you you look at the national polls today Harris is up by about a point and a half nationally and National polls of of of all voters is very is not a good measure any longer of what’s going to happen in on Election Day uh plus you have people voting now so it’s not just voting uh on Election Day the changes that we’re all seeing happen in Trump’s favor has happening in k with people actually casting votes uh and you know one of the you know the Harris campaign has had the money Advantage um but they’ve also been to Big Money big money Advantage but you know but too much money Advantage meaning that we don’t need as much money as she has to win we were Hillary Clinton over spent outspent Trump by by almost half a billion dollars in 2016 and lost um so she’s gonna not be much more than if she won’t be that much ahead of of trump in the end um and uh but her money advantage and her quote field advantage you know was supposed to make the difference well she doesn’t have a field advantage and that’s one of the myths that the mainstream media has perpetuated during this campaign it’s that Trump has no ground game and Harris has this jogger nut well the last time I heard that was in 2016 when I was told that the campaign we had put together was was you know terrible Grassroots campaign and that Hillary Clinton had the most professional field operation in history well we know what H what happened there it’s the same thing they’re saying the same thing today we have a very good ground me when you look at the early voting that’s happening and the and millions of votes have been cast by now uh between early voting and and absentee voting and you everyone’s modeling that stuff and the Democrats turnout advantage on early voting is dramatically less than it’s ever been over the last eight years but guess and so we’re holding our own or doing better than our own in the early voting but then guess who has an advantage on Election Day we do because that’s where we’ve always had to turn all of our vote out because we always were against early voting until this cycle she doesn’t have as good an organization for the election day as she has for early voting but she’s not winning the margin she needs so far in the first two weeks of early voting that happened so the field organization isn’t even an advantage at this point in time we’ve got the issue Advantage uh and uh and we we’ve got more than enough money to do what we need to do in our campaign therefore looking at all the pieces of an election her race is counting on her getting people to vote against their economic interest because Trump is a threat to democracy I don’t see that happening no I agree with you um looking back over the last three months really since June since the debate between Trump and Biden what are the things that the Trump campaign has done right do you think well they were ready for her Harris I mean we saw going into after the debate June the possibility that uh Biden might not be a candidate I didn’t believe it I thought he would never quit um but but the campaign saw they possibility and so they did their research on Harris and on the other potential candidates that could have been the the nominee so that when Biden did drop out we were ready uh we had ads ready and uh and we knew how we wanted to Define all of the potential opponents we might have we didn’t think that they would uh get rid of Biden and give us Harris uh because we we viewed Harris as the weakest of all the potential candidates because she’d have to live on the record of the administration exactly um and uh but that was Joe Biden’s gift to Donald Trump uh because Biden was so upset with the Democratic kudeta against him uh that he told them he was going to endorse his vice president when Nancy Pelosi and Obama wanted an Open Primary of all the leading candidates so that they could control who would come out of the democratic convention she didn’t they didn’t get that Biden announced on Sunday he was quitting and announced on Monday he endorsed C Harris and then it became impossible for anybody to run against har you think that was an act of aggression against his own party I do really yeah so diminished though he is you think that Joe Biden was angry enough at Pelosi and Obama that he decided to screw the Democratic Party by gifting them you’ve watched his Irish temper enough times as I have and you know how he’s always felt disparaged by the Democratic establishment including Obama including Nancy Pelosi yeah especially Obama yeah and when he didn’t want to quit he he felt and there’s a case to be made today that he could have been a better candidate than Harris because he felt all along that the Democratic base which was against which was the reason why he was trailing badly after his debate would have no choice but to come together after Labor Day and support him and then he thought he could beat beat uh Trump again you look at the an if you want to analyze it through his his eyes he’s probably right that the base would have come back to him the media would have had to come back to him uh against Trump because there they were always going to be against Trump uh and he would be a much better candidate in Pennsylvania he’d be a much better candidate uh in the in the Midwest uh because he’s got workingclass Roots you’ve got an elitist Democrat liberal uh as the Democratic nominee when the Battleground states are in the Midwest and uh and so you could make the case that he would have been at least as strong as Harris uh but but the Pelosi strategy was never to have Harris and uh it’s they they a Shapiro or a Whitmer or even a Nome could have had you know a certain appeal in the midwest that a Harris didn’t have so you think Obama and Pelosi never thought they were getting comml Harris when they pushed Biden to retire I don’t really yeah and that was Joe Biden’s gift to them in return for the gift they gave him and so knifing him yes and so but that’s why here’s but what we didn’t analyze nobody could have is how all in the would be to just you know make her into the second Obama or try to make her into except she can’t speak like Obama she’s have you know she Obama’s much more articulate Obama stood for something that she can’t stand for Obama was going to be the first black president yeah now she’s going to first black woman president but the the concept cares at this point yeah exactly and uh and she’s not articulate she she’s afraid of being with the media if they don’t prop her up she can’t hold hold her own and I’ve learned having done enough elections that the American people get generally get it they they by election day they get it I mean sometimes with the you know in 2020 covid distorted everything and then the changing of the rules on voting distorted everything uh and then Republicans not knowing how to deal with early voting and participating distorted everything well this is a much more normal election I mean the rules are the same rule are settled rules uh we fix some of the excesses of 2020 in in in a number of the Battleground States so that voter identification is going to be important uh Republicans are participating in early voting this time in an aggressive way and we’re seeing it in the early voting uh results so in a more normal election having a California liberal who hasn’t been out they’re running for president uh and trying to Define herself should not be a Victorious campaign the reason she’s in play is because the media has defined her for her as this saint and this uh this turning the page well again the American people know turning the page from what from the Biden Harris Administration how do you turn the page on yourself and give them something different and when especially when she hasn’t defined what she’s going to do or when she has it’s been contradiction to what she said she stood for before and again she’s winning her vote and most polls show this because even in the Democratic base that supported her they are anti-trump uh because a lot of those people who weren’t so anti-trump Democrats would be voting for a republican candidate right now not named Trump because of the economic failures of this administ ation against theirs um but Trump brings out an additional kind of voter that no Republican can get uh and he’s changing the the the uh composition of the Republican Party into a working man’s party Working Class party into a middle American party I think it’s finally happening it must be weird for you as someone who’s been you know top levels of the Republican party for all these years almost 50 to see all these people you know come out against Trump and in some cases for KLA Harris like the pillars of the party Dick Cheney is just one among many it yes it is and and it’s and it’s because of the personality that they’re coming out but it’s also because they’ve they’ve had their time and they just they’re settled in their ways and they think that Trump doesn’t represent the party that they were a part of uh 20 years ago well he doesn’t well he doesn’t but a lot of the principles he does yes and and so but they’ve put they’ve they’ve subordinated principles to the the how they want the party to look which is the exact opposite of what the Democrats have done they don’t care what the party looks like it’s principles that drive the Democratic party and it’s woke leftist principles that are not in the interest of the country and as a result you’ve had the changing of the electorate of the of the composition of the two parties where the Democrats are now are leading party from the coast and the Republicans are Main Street and not Wall Street even though their reputation is still that and they and Trump is making it into a really working class party what do you think of that well I think well I think if you want to run a country you have to have more than elitist as a as a focus of where your policy should go yeah I mean that’s why I got involved in politics I mean as a conservative I I you know back in the in the 60s I was set with what was emerging as Johnson kind of big government the social welfare program uh you know things like that and uh and so I was coming from a workingclass background I I saw the Republican party not necessarily the leadership of the Republican party but the principles of what Goldwater was talking about uh as uh as something that attracted my interest well Trump has taken that to a new level Trump has made it into the leadership of the party not just the the focus of the principles of the party and I think long term that’s a a coalition that can govern for a long time uh especially when you take the the negative part of trump out of the equation and keep all the positives yeah uh in the equation uh I think that that the Democrats are either going to have to F come back towards the center or we are going to be in power for a long time I mean I think it’s not inconceivable to think that Trump is going to have a republican Congress he’s going to have a Republican Senate uh he could have 54 55 members of the Republican Senate um and it’s probable with him winning with breaking the way I think things are going to break that we’ll keep the house and if we do that then something very different from 2017 is going to exist you’re going to have an experienced president Trump who understands Washington a lot better than he did in 2017 when he took the Tim office and you’re going to have a republican Congress controlled Congress that’s people people that are part of the Trump make America great again agenda uh with a speaker of the house who actually is supportive of the economic policies that Trump wants toact versus what Paul Ryan was doing uh as Speaker of the House convincing Trump not to do the things that he should have done in the first year and therefore having immigration reform and and uh economic reforms that Trump wanted put put on the back burner to never get to the front burner that’s not going to happen in 2025 and uh and so with those changes I believe the country is going to get stronger economically I think the world is going to get better get safer I think we’re going to have borders again and that is going to lock in a lot of this new support that is voting for Trump because they think he will be better for them but then they’re going to see that the party as a whole that Trump has put together can also be better for them after Trump um and with somebody like JD Vance even people like Marco Rubio now um out there talking about the the the Trump record the Trump policies it’s going to make a big difference and I think Hispanics will be be attracted to that I think workingclass Americans will be attracted to that and with Trump having a government of people for him as opposed to a government of people that were not for him but then wanted to be part of the government that created and then undercut him as president uh time and time again that’s going to be different this year the people are going to be put in power that will implement the Trump agenda and be supportive of the Trump agenda and that’s why to all of these former Republican Trump Administration people who are now supporting Harris they didn’t support Trump in 2016 they became part of his Government after he won but they were not supporting him in 2016 um they did not buy into to the Trump policies that Trump was elected on and so when they didn’t follow his Direction he fired him the difference is Harris’s people and her staff as vice president you know 95% of the people who work for her quit on her they didn’t get fired they quit on her they couldn’t take her because she was such a terrible boss that’s the difference that’s what you can expect under Harris she can’t manage people Trump had the wrong people in office because he didn’t have a team in 2017 because he was an outsider coming into Washington but he’s got a team now and it’s a team that believes in what he wants to do and what he’s campaigning on and so what he gets elected on unlike what Biden and Harris did in 2020 and then did as in as as uh as President and Vice President Trump is going to implement the policies he’s been out there talking about and he’s going to bring people in who are committed to those policies different than 2017 and I think we have a chance to have a very good two years with that a lot of these changes can start to take root what a disaster if Trump does win it’ll be for the Democratic party the second he won in 2016 that well the first thing it was resolved to put you know the people who got him there including you in prison and they succeeded um Mike Flynn they tried to put him in prison I mean Roger Stone I mean they really went and just tried to imprison the opposition and then they tried to imprison Trump and I think pretty clear they stole the 2020 election that’s my view um they eliminated free speech that’s theft enough and it didn’t work and then he wins in 2024 after all of that what is it like if that happens in the Democratic party I think the left takes over interesting yeah I think who’s going to get gutted here is the Centrist in the Democratic party um really absolutely absolutely I think that uh the Washington part of the party will be dramatically controlled by the Sanders Wing but I think Sanders you know the unspoken story here is the the guy with the network in the states in the Democratic party is Bernie Sanders of course yes and they the what you saw happen with Ronald Reagan in 1977 after he lost the nomination to Jerry Ford and lost the presidency to Jimmy Carter Reagan’s network of people spent three years building in the states the Reagan organization that elected him president um because Reagan had foreseen the future issue wise uh the I think the Sanders people are going to do the same thing in if there’s a debacle in 19 in in 2024 but they’re going to be misreading the future in my judgment on the issue unlike what Reagan did uh and so they are as they take control they’re going to push the party further and further left to the populist left the economic left what do you mean by the left well I think I think both the populist left uh and the economic left I think the they’re going to be driven by the economic left but the populist left is going to be the way they they sell their message so but like the left the you know the weird kind of Rich lady left those the emphasis on the sexual issues on racial division does that I mean that doesn’t seem to have worked that and that’s what I call the populist left um I I think the economic left is where they will frame it because it’s more acceptable to the dis the disadvantaged uh uh and you could make that case to the illegal migrants who may be ended up getting entrenched here uh in one way or another um but the left T so the lesson if they lose to the Democrats will be we didn’t go left enough well I don’t know that that’s the lesson that they to them but that’s the opportunity to the left within the party which is the dominant part of the party yeah interesting there’s a lot of chaos out there in the world and that’s why your bed is your Sanctuary a place of peace and rest and with cozy Earth it can be even more peaceful and more restful comfort and Tranquility are the by wordss of cozy Earth’s bamboo sheet set bamboo sheet set that sounds strange oh it’s not strange it’s great these 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power based in the Grassroots that they have to appeal to to emerg Victorious for 2028 is the left and they are much more hardcore than Republicans are at punishing uh if if they their opposition so I will I I don’t think there’s any leadership in Washington with Pelosi being gone now uh that that that brings sort of moves towards Center I think Obama uh you know will be where a lot of them go to but Obama I don’t this is his last fight I I mean he if he loses this I mean if she loses he loses and he doesn’t want to spend the rest of his life refighting that war he’s a former president he’s made millions of dollars since he’s left uh you know it’s up to a new leadership to take the party over and so I don’t I don’t see him you don’t see Michelle Obama out there right now campaigning for Harris I think she will in the last two weeks but you she hasn’t been out there this time why do you think there’s something there I mean I don’t know what it is but there’s something there um Obama even hasn’t been that aggressively out there even though you know this was his cud d’a I mean she wasn’t necessarily his candidate but this was his c um and uh but my point is I don’t see Obama in the future trying to direct the Democratic party blosi will be gone Schumer’s not a national politician he’s a you know he’s a Washington politician uhem Jeff doesn’t have any profile of seriousness the national Democrats in Washington are the leftist the Sanders the the uh the Warren people like that and uh so if Trump gets the majority um in two weeks will the Democrats including their army of lawyers just kind of give up just say you you won I think look January 6 is their playbook right I mean I I well it was last time too yeah exactly so do I think that they’re just going to accept the results As Trump says correctly Hillary Clinton is still contesting the 2016 election uh they will never give Trump the the benefit of winning an election no matter how big he wins it um but he’s going to be president in January of 2025 and they’re going to have to deal with that but they’ll make it it’ll be a difficult uh you know transition period there’ll be a lot of protest I mean the week after between people running to the their psychiatrist offices and people want you know you running to the streets to burn things you know it’s going to be a mess but can you think of any legal mechanism they could use to prevent Trump from being seated as president in January no no I mean they Tred to set some of those things up when they were trying to play with electors for this time around and and rules about the states not having to follow the results of the election uh but no there’s the system works our system works and uh as far as against a couet if you will a democratic kudeta and uh the difference between 2020 and 2024 is you will have the media defining whatever the Grievances are of the losing Democratic party as being fair grievances when in fact they’re not whatever I don’t know which ones they’ll come up with but they’ll come up with stories that are not true and uh but that’s what they’re good at Republicans accept results for the most part which is why Trump’s push back in 2020 was it was so out of character for the world to understand Democrats always contest results I I can’t remember a campaign nationally that they didn’t contest one one way or another something whether it was Gore were they lost um and uh and so it will be a contentious transition period but I think the difference is if Trump has the results that I think he’s going to have he’ll be close to or over 300 electoral votes that’s hard to turn over for them to fight you really think so Trump’s getting get 300 well I mean there are seven battlegrounds States Trump’s if Trump loses all seven I think he’s it’s something like 254 if he wins all seven he’s at 312 if you win some combination in between um you know so and the only one where he’s below 270 is where she sweeps the the blue wall um and I don’t see her doing that I we could sweep the blue wall right now we’re leading it all three of those States um and I don’t see remind us what the blue wall is blue wall is Michigan Wisconsin and Pennsylvania yeah and the three Midwestern states she has to win why are those Democratic seats I’ve never understood that at all those seem like natural Trump States given the realignment between the parties well labor was Labor’s got big hold on how corrupt is labor when every member of a public sector labor union overwhelmingly is for Trump like how corrupt are they that they’re you mean for Harris it know it’s for the actual you know what percentage of the teams what percentage of oh you know the grant IW yeah exactly yeah no you’re right well that’s why we’re winning those States yeah um you know Trump has made the economic argument to the the Auto Workers that Biden Harris Administration was the worst Administration for them and she’ll be even worse as as president Harris uh and that’s why the local members are there I mean yesterday in in Pittsburgh the uh the the steel union members from Western Pennsylvania endorse Trump now the man the senior leadership of the Union is for Harris but the rank of file workers the the the uh the the union bosses in the regions in the states are for Trump and they endorsed them yesterday in Western Pennsylvania so but she has to win all three of those States she’s got a problem with the Muslim vote in uh in in Michigan and it’s their major piece of a democratic coalition to carry that state they’re fragmented they’re there’s going to be a lot of non-vote Voters in that grou and and Trump is was endorsed by the largest Muslim Pakistan uh organization in Michigan last week um so yeah and they’re doing that because they know that Trump is somebody who could bring peace to the Middle East I mean he almost did that if he had had a second term he would we wouldn’t have had this war in the Gulf uh and at the same time the Jewish support Trump’s getting close to 40% of the Jewish support because they know that he protected Israel and he’s and when he says he’s going to protect them he means what he says versus what Biden says when he talks being pro pro-israel but not but anti- Netanyahu right now in a war you can’t be both you have to be pro pro nety and pro-israel Trump has credibility in the Israeli Community he has credibility in the Muslim Community there’s nobody in the Democratic party like that and uh and in Michigan that’s a real cross pressure on Harris and at the base so the three states that she has to win to be president she’s trailing in all three um that will have a long-term impact I think on realignment because you Trump also understands that uh that the leadership may not be form the rank and file is but he makes if he makes the rank and files lives better the leadership has to start to to open up and be less less oppressive um and really when you look at the the uh the public service unions and the private sector uh unions yeah there’s a real break now at the at the Grassroots level oh yeah and uh and the public sector Union are going to have a hard time under Trump because he’s going to make changes that are going to be that are going to C government reductions I hope he extinguishes them crushes them we shouldn’t have a single public sector Union in the United States the whole idea is grotesque well it’s tax dollars held hostage by by federal employees or state employees the the whole thing’s nuts they pay for their own politicians yeah and they’re not union leaders they’re Democrats with Union position run copy machines and man some desk at the DMV I mean these are not there not laborers these are people living off the public Ted I mean it’s Liv very well off of it very well yes no that’s right and uh and that’s why you had people like the teamers head of the teams nationally coming speaking to the rep a good man Sean O’Brien from Boston and and you know Trump didn’t require a lpus test support he said come and make your case yeah and that resonates with Rank and file people that when you show respect to the union when the union is just being is not taking a proos but that’s who Trump is I mean he recognizes that every day is another day and you build by consensus and de and and and communication which is why again the the the globalist and the elitist that the state department can’t handle a guy because he doesn’t read from their Playbook that’s and uh and he doesn’t even look at their playbook because he thinks their playbook is wrong and frankly having dealt with a lot of those PE kinds of people over my 40 years in politics he’s right so given um Trump’s position the seven Battleground States ahead um with you know within the margin but still ahead in all of them um and given the vibe shift Elon Musk coming out for Trump bunch of tech people coming out for Trump I think most people if they’re honest think Trump’s going to win what if he doesn’t win will Republicans accept that result as [Music] legitimate the answer is ultimately yes I think I mean honestly I don’t deal with that scenario now because in my mind we’re not going to lose um I mean if we lost how we lost would be relevant yeah and uh I don’t believe that if you lose you don’t have a right to to question but then you there comes a point when you have to move on um I don’t know so how we lose would be relevant um but I don’t see that happening a lot of Republicans think that the system is rigged against them and I understand that uh believe bet you too believe oh do you understand that but the point is you you just can’t give up and and you just have to be better than you were before to to to succeed the next time and you can’t complain about the past you have to do something about the future one of the things that I’m actually very proud of what Trump has done in the LA this cycle is he doesn’t think you should have early voting you know he thinks election day should be election day but he recognizes that you got to play by the rules that are the rules today and uh and uh it’s the equivalent what we’ve done in the past two election cycles of ignoring early day voting is like in baseball having designated batter but since he’s not on the field you just let don’t let him you know go up to bat you just you know take it out every time that spot comes up in the batting order that’s what we were doing in early voting we were not participating and and lot and the Democrats were and it did two things it energized their people early it got it it banked votes before the campaign was over so that we always 2020 our closing campaign was much stronger uh than the be than the campaign in in around the convention and in September but so many people had already voted that many of whom would have possibly changed and voted differently if they had only been one election day you know right now the reason one of the things the Trump campaign did very well this time is we were doing a mid October campaign campaign uh program in August and September because we knew that early voting was starting in in October and so we had to have the electorates mindset where they normally would be on October 20th they on October 1st so that means we had to be defining her heavily in no in September we had to be defining the differences between Trump and her you in August uh and we had to be spending the kind of money that was necessary to have the penetration uh so that by now were focusing on the last 5% not on the 50% we need and we’ve done that well and that’s why the campaign is closing where you’re starting to see the race tilt publicly towards Trump the betting markets are tilting that way the market the stock market I think is pricing in if you look at the kind of companies that are are going up they’re companies that would deal do well in a deregulated economy under a president Trump um so all of that’s happening because our closing campaign was happening in September and now we’re getting out the vote because they’re ready to vote we’ve talked to them and they’re now voting uh that’s all stuff we gave up on last time we were running our October campaign last time in October and by September they made their def they had defined us because early voting isn’t just who gets to vote it’s how you to persuade them to before they vote and they were doing their sept their October close in September getting their votes banked and we were talking to people that already voted by the time we did our closing campaign in October that’s changed this time Trump has done a masterful job his campaign leadership has been brilliant at this at putting the calendar of when people vote into the strategy of How We Run The Campaign and they’ve done so and and as you said to your point a little while ago this is a guy that should be have been dead five or six times as a can and he’s now heading into the last two weeks as the front runner and cheerfully and you’re doing the same and I it does feel like that’s part of the key to living a successful happy life is dealing with reality as you find it and letting go of the past when you know you’ve been in DC since the entire time I was there as a very famous Republican operative working in foreign countries and all over all over the world was all fine then you become Trump’s campaign manager for like 20 minutes and the next thing you know they’re sending you off to prison you got sent to prison because you work for Trump nobody republican or democrat in DC doubted that for one second period so I just think that’s a fact it is a fact it was Andrew Wiman did this because he worked for Trump how do you let go of that and stay cheerful and forward-looking you don’t seem bitter at all you’re we just had breakfast you weren’t ranting about anything how do you do how do you do that well you have to have faith which I do have family which I do and believe in yourself which I do and uh and when you’re advising people on all of the contradictions of politics and in the world you got to recognize that that affects you too and so if people have got to make adjustments because of contradictions that they see that they don’t like then I felt I needed to as well and look I that’s a lot easier to describe than to pull off well except it’s over now for me I’ve I’ve gone through that Crucible and uh pulling it off was hard but that’s where Faith and family came into account and that was where the strength was did you make a decision not to be angry yeah when well when I was in solitary confinement when I was in solitary confinement I you know the the biggest part of a crisis like what I went through was before you’re thrown into the fire when you’re standing by the fire and the you’re seeing the fire flames can grow and and the fear of being in that fire is overwhelming once you’re sitting in the fire you either give up and die literally in some cases but certainly figuratively or you make 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man if I were Paul manifer I would just PE enraged and you didn’t seem enraged at all you seem it was it was like the family welcom me home and and a family who knew that I had given of myself for them and there was a lot of love in that room I noticed I saw it and uh and it made me really feel validated that I did the right thing amazing well with that said I just I I mean this from my heart could not admire your attitude more um I really couldn’t I hope that I would behave as manfully as you have and as forgivingly as you have that said the forces that put you in jail because you were Donald Trump’s campaign manager that’s the reason um they still exist and they still have power and so if Trump becomes president what does he do about that what does he do about Andrew Weissman I see him on television I can hardly believe that guy has any credibility I mean what Trump will do Trump will do but I I think he’ll do I mean you remember in 2016 one of the rallying Rally’s key you campaign slogans was lock her up lock her up when he got elected president you never heard that word once no he didn’t and that’s because that’s not who he is he’s not a vengeful man no that’s for sure and uh and he could he could use a little bit of falness sometimes but he’s not and and he put contrary to what Harris and Biden has said about him he put the country first as president and he said that I got to work with the Democrats if I try and lock her up you know I will destroy my ability to to Be an Effective president and even when they were impeaching him he was still working with the Democrats on policy stuff um so what will he do as president number 47 I think he’ll do a lot what he did as number 45 he will focus on things an agenda that will make the country better that make America great again which is is because he sees this is his legacy term now and he doesn’t want it to be filled with the the kind of anger and and uh and volatility of the first term uh with all the impeachments and things like that and so I think he understands getting even is not getting smart and I will be surprised if he does anything but Reach Out across the aisle and try and to make pass the legislation that will make the country better what do you do about CIA and doj and these institutions which have been yeah instruments of the democratic party’s political agenda yeah I think he he understands government better than he did in 2016 17 and he knows the dangers that the wrong people in office can be can cause not just at the top level but inside the system as well and so I think there will be blue blue ribbon kind of commissions to you know like Carter did with st Phil Turner the CIA and when the CIA was coming through all the Iran Contra stuff and things like that uh every or actually not a run Contra but uh the Watergate stuff where he uh he had a commission put together that cleaned up the CIA in neutered the CIA something I thought was bad at the time but now I realize was probably good you’re probably pretty good yes and uh and I think not just the CIA I think all of the Departments and agencies where you have bureaucrats who have got their own agendas not the American people’s agenda I think they will all be tested and that’s really what he’s talking to Elon Musk about I mean government government cutting government is getting rid of not just the fat of government but getting rid of the poison of government and uh and some of them are not just policies they’re people and uh uh or departments I should say and the Departments are defined by the people uh and uh and I think Trump is looking to reform government not not reform in a getting rid of anybody who doesn’t agree with him but reform government to put people make the system work the way the system is supposed to work to protect the American people not a political party or political structure are you confident that he’s got the right candidates for say State Department for CIA director DOD well I mean the I’m not sure who he’s planning to put him in all those positions I don’t know that he is yet I I think he knows what he needs now versus what he needed last time uh and and I think there are enough people who have manifested themselves as committed to his make America great agenda uh which is an agenda that is pro-american not Pro Trump uh that he’ll be able to find the right people to do that you don’t seem worried that the country is going to fall into some sort of permanent conflict after November there’ll be conflict but I think you can’t let yourself be governed by the fear of conflict versus the fear of doing something right and I I mean I believe in I mean you know I hear all these things but I know Trump I’ve known Trump since 1981 uh since ‘ 81 1981 why where’d you meet him in 81 he was one of our first clients when I started black man for and stone in 1980 uh after Reagan was elected president um what did you do for him uh well he he he wanted mean Roger Stone my one of my partners in 1980 handled the Northeast for Ronald Reagan in New York and in the course of running that operation he got to know Trump and Trump was always interested in politics uh and wanted to have sort of eyes and ears in Washington he liked Roger and so he hired us uh to just be his political eyes and ears in Washington and he had things we did but as a result we got like what there some there were legitimate issues that we get involved in in government but uh but uh are you just gonna alide right over that I’m going to Glide right on that but uh but I’ve known I know I know what’s in his heart I’ve seen the way people who work for him really respect him and appreciate him I’ve seen him do things that you never hear about for for people that were that are the doorman at one of his hotels or uh you know somebody who worked on one of his construction sites or a family of one of his families that worked for him uh he’s got a big heart he doesn’t have he’s not motivated by Vengeance or anger he’s motivated by getting things done uh he doesn’t start fights he finishes them doesn’t know some sometimes stops sooner but he he doesn’t live a life that’s directed at revenge and he’s not the person that the media is trying to Define him as no and uh and so I think the greater good is what’s going to move him in his legacy term what what’s the relevance of cryptocurrency in this election do you think all the crypto people seem for Trump is that meaningful uh the re no I do know Trump feels like the crypto world is part of the future of our e of the economic structure of the world and he sees the the Biden Harris Administration as pushing it offshore into the hands of China and into the hands of uh of the darker side of the of the economy and his attitude is the best way to influence the proper growth is to bring it onshore to regulate it properly and let it become an American industry just like Bret Breton Woods did to the dollar in the aftermath of World War II and it’s as simple as that I mean that seems like it’s going to happen doesn’t it yeah does well you said that one of the reasons people um are voting for Trump or one of the issues on which he has the advantage is his stewardship of the rest of the world of the American Empire which uh you know has been in a very different place for the last four years we have we’re on the verge of global conflict under the stewardship of Biden Harris not an overstatement if Trump’s elected how is he going to prevent World War III from happening what does he do well first of all he knows the world leaders and the world leaders know him yep and they respect him as a strong leader something they don’t feel about Biden or Harris um and so they know they can negotiate with him they can talk with them but they also know there’s a fine point that there’s a real Line in the Sand to use the Obama line or Red Line analogy and for example in the Gulf you know with this mess in the Gulf why did that happen why is why is the Gulf in the kind of turmo is in right now because there’s no the the countries in the Gulf don’t trust the United States that’s true I mean that’s the bottom line and Trump understood who the enemy of the Gulf States were as well as the enemy of the United States it was one country it was Iran Biden is an apologist for Iran Harris is an apologist for Iran they buy into the John kery theory of Iran uh and the Saudi Arabia the United Arab Emirates the Oman omanis uh none of them buy into Iran as a as a country of of a leader in the Gulf what Trump was doing with the Abraham Accords was meant to bring peace to the region what he was doing with Iran from day one was me meant to defang Iran impoverish Iran as a political country uh and allow the people the opportunity to rise up against the the fascist regime that the molas are running there and uh and it was working I mean the Abraham Accords if Trump had been reelected Saudi would have signed it Jordan was you know signing it uh Israel was bound to it and they and that was moving towards a peaceful resolution and an isolation of of Iran when Biden became president he immediately you know reinstituted his best he could the the nuclear deal with the with Iran giving them even more than they had and wanted gave them billions of dollars that the then use to fund terrorist activities around the world and against Israel and he told more importantly the other Gulf States that they can’t trust the United States so what do they what did the nbs’s of this world do what did the the Emirates do they started reaching out to China they started reaching out to Russia why because they needed protection against an unreliable United States uh and they didn’t want to be find themselves isolated uh in some kind of axis of the world against that is literally true I mean the Emirates was attacked by Iranian proxies and the US was incredibly slow to respond to protect them these are small countries that that’s correct right and so this is an area where Trump immediately has credibility as the Right leader in the Gulf with everybody but Iran I mean I happen to think that Iran is already measuring what it’s going to be like to be under President Trump and they’re backing off certain things right now um and they’re right to do that because Trump is going to come in and reinstitute the Trump policies on Iran I mean there were two countries that were enemies of the United States in Trump’s eyes uh that needed to be impoverished in order to then be brought into the world community Iran was one of those two and uh the other was Russia and uh and he was with Iran he couldn’t mulas wouldn’t talk to him with Russia Putin was smart enough to know you talk to Trump and that’s why a dialogue was existing that could grow into some kind of uh relationship and for all of these people who accuse Trump of being soft on Putin one they know that’s not true but two it’s part of a philosophy at the at the state department and in in the Davos world that you if you just ignore your enemy it’s going to get better and Trump’s saides if you don’t engage your enemy or your adversary uh or your competitor whatever the case might be uh that the that you’re never going to get better and that things will find a way to get worse uh and so that’s why he would cross over the DMZ to see Kim xung on his own without State Department freaking out that he decided waking up that morning that he wanted to do it um I was with him I saw that yeah yeah that that was a kind of ad hoc trip yeah and but he but he understood let Kim janun look in my eyes let Putin look in my eyes let Xian ping look in my eyes I mean the message he sent to Xian ping that was the most impactful message he sent to China during his whole presidency was when he was having the state uh State dinner for Xian ping and he was sitting right next to xan Ping and he leaned over in the middle of the dinner and said I just want you to know we just killed uh salamani if you look at the cameras xan Ping’s face turned white I mean he here the president of the United States before any of the people in that room who were part of his government US Government knew president Trump was letting Gan ping know this is we treat our enemies and the world got the relationship between China and and the US under Trump tents of times but it worked the relationship worked they were dealing with issues uh you know they weren’t solving everything but they were dealing with them uh and the same thing was going on with Putin same thing was going on with uh with Iran although he wasn’t communicating with them directly but indirectly he was letting them know that we’re going to impoverish you and we are going to do everything we can until you become a a reliable nation of the world um but more important than that the way he was treating Iran was giving confidence to the Allies in the Gulf that will be your friend uh and will be there for you know what is what is you know what do the UAE and and Saudi Arabia want in the future they’re trying to bring their countries into the modern world they’re trying to expand the petrol dollars into improving their their economies into then each of them is doing a different different way but all of it is looking at how do we protect ourselves against our number one enemy which is Iran uh and that’s the US what do they want they want an umbrella of Peace how do they get an umbrella of Peace the abrahamic cor was part of it the Saudis would like to have a the kind of commitment from the United States that we gave to Japan after World War II where we said that we would you are under our protection ction and that uh uh not to have a military force there not to be fighting Wars there but just to be under our protection because that sends sufficient signal to the it sent it in the in Southeast Asia and it’ll send it in the Gulf to Iran to not mess with the uh the sunnis uh how how does he is he going to end the war in Ukraine which doesn’t seem to be helping anybody I think so I think I think he understands that you cannot have this war continue and I think he will sit down with all sides and he’s got I mean I’m not giving saying anything out of school but he’s going to make them all understand it’s in the world’s best interest and their best interest to put this war behind and he’s there are some tools that he can use to make each side come to the table and seriously just negotiate um but he will personally inject himself into it he’s won’t give it to a you know third party person to do it he will make this on the front end his responsibility and I think he believes that without getting way too complicated all the parties at the table the Europeans the the Russians the ukrainians um all have have reason to want this thing to end and there’s pieces that can forget the public rhetoric and the public positions there there are things that can happen that all sides can accept if they know that it’s going to be pushed on them by somebody who will enforce it Biden’s not that person blinkin doesn’t scare a person when he sits down in fact they would surprise he sits at the table as opposed to it’s chair behind the table uh he’s just not a leader um and uh and so that presence of of the president hovering over everything injecting himself into it plus his relationships with all of those people I mean you know even zalinsky uh was there when Trump was the president the first time we’ll have a lot more impact right now there’s nobody running the Ukraine peace process nobody uh the Europeans don’t have the the vision or the will to take a a a a position against Putin that will force uh Putin to give into Ukraine and they don’t have a strong enough position against Putin that will force Ukraine to give into to but I mean Europe if you look at Europe just go to Europe um over the last almost three years now since this war started in February of 2022 Europe has declined in every sense I mean it’s just a poorer more chaotic place than it was 3 years ago I mean this is crushing Europe so I don’t understand why there’s no European leader who can particularly in Germany but not just and take control and bring this to an end because it’s killing their continent who’s a European leader that has stature fair I mean and so they’re all just em Imes in their own selfs survival inside their countries I mean Merkel had a sort of more European oriented reputation but Germany’s not the one to lead Europe in a way it’s a disaster yeah and uh yeah and there’s and there’s nobody else there’s no Thatcher I mean there is no one there’s no even burone uh who could have you know pressed certain things uh you know Schulz is probably on his way out uh in Germany mcon is on his way out um you know the Spanish are you know they you don’t even know who’s in office these days right uh you know the Italians Maloney is emerging she’s she’s becoming one of the more forceful leaders in Europe but she’s doing it gradually she has not emerged as a pan European no she certainly hasn’t uh but but she’s get but she is emerging because she’s been willing to do certain things uh and then the Eastern Europeans are frozen out by the Western Europeans where you have some of the stronger leaders um so there is no to solve the problem the even though it’s the European Union it’s really the European disunion because all the countries have their own interest and they they always put their they use the bureaucracy of the EU to enhance their interest to the diminishment of the other members of the European Union uh at times but so none of them have the stature to lead a united front against Putin or against zalinski depending on what your position is do you think that that they sense that their continent is dying no because they’ve created this world and so they think it’s the right world yeah I mean that’s you go to Davos and you sit around and you realize these people live in a bubble yeah they have no idea no they have no idea and but but the bubble that is the bubble they created and uh and so like you see on the with the left here in the United States they think you know transgender is the future they think that uh women men should be able to participate in in female sports if they’re transgender well same thing in Europe with with globalism they think this is the right way if just everybody will do what we say what we say then they’ll be better off and it it’s that that Davos mentality yeah well they’re a joke to the rest of the world and I guess they’re the always the last ones to know that they are um so you think Trump what what would peace terms look like in Ukraine and I should say for those who don’t know you spent I don’t know at least 10 years how how long did you spend working 10 years years 10 years working in Ukraine most one of the most powerful outside political figures in UK in Ukraine deeply knowledgeable about it you had an office there um not on the pro Russia side I should say uh but what given your knowledge of that country and region what would a settlement realistic settlement look like well I mean I I think they will a lot of the pieces may not necessarily be a part of Ukraine it’s other the things that Russia might feel is important to them in Russia or in dealing with certain other parts of the world uh or or some of their technology needs or things like that there are pieces to a game that that will interest Putin that it can facilitate getting to Russia sooner than later in a peace process negotiation um do the borders of Ukraine change do you think well depends on how you look at Crimea Ukraine still accepts who says Crimea belongs to Ukraine Russia says no UK UK Crimea is now part of Russia um I think Crimea probably stays where they currently are positioned right now for sure I don’t see that happening right but zinski and the ukrainians say we got to have Ukraine back but that’s you cry me but that that’s just silly I mean they’re not going to give up the naval base right I mean that yeah I mean you Putin thinks one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Soviet Union was when KF who was from Ukraine at a moment of uh of enthusiasm gave Ukraine independence from Russia uh you know the Independence was in the Soviet Union was not really Independence right but it gave them the ability to be considered a country on their own not a vassel state of the Soviet Union Putin never accepted that um and so when he became into Power one of the first things he wanted to do was get get Ukraine back into Russia where he thought it belonged as you know Kiev was the first capital of of Russia uh and uh and and Crimea which had an important military component for for Russia where they had their their bases and where it was an access to the Black Sea um you know that was and it was a very Russian in uh Enclave as opposed to Ukrainian um you know that was the first place he struck when when when he had the saw the opportunity under Obama and uh and so I think that will be I will be surprised if anything changes on crimeia that’s too much of a swallow without Russia losing the war yeah and uh do you see that happening no I don’t I don’t see them winning the war but I don’t see them losing the war um I think that yeah there’s there economic issues of of Rehabilitation of the country reconstruction because eastern Ukraine is destroyed uh both the industry and the and the whole infrastructure um I I think eastern Ukraine will be in some capacity still part of Ukraine whether they have autonomous zones but as a part of Ukraine versus autonomous zones as auton truly autonomous you know that’ll be part of the negotiation um zinski can’t give up West eastern Ukraine but zalinski and the the center of Ukrainian universe is Kiev and West not east of Kiev um and so the destruction allows for some creativity destruction of the East will allow some creativity on on the resolution of how we Define the geost structuring of it I don’t think I don’t think they give it up but there may be some kind of concessions that can be made that will save face for Putin save territory for Ukraine uh and get money into reconstructing uh that part of the world um but there’s there’s a way there’s a play there there is a way to to get a ceas fire and to get the people talking and everybody wants that just nobody has the leadership to do it Trump is the leader who can do it um and there’s the there’s the NATO Factor too which will be relevant to Putin uh and uh some kind of commitment that Ukraine even as part of the European trade Union trade Association would never be wouldn’t be part of NATO I think that’s something that’s on the table we did a live tour last month one of the funnest things we’ve ever done Coast to Coast 16 different cities speaking well next week our grand finale Halloween October 31st 2024 in Glendale Arizona our special guest that night days before the presidential election Donald Trump all proceeds donated to Hurricane Relief we’re proud to do it hope to see you there so for the years that you worked in Ukraine was UK joining NATO something that Most ukrainians Wanted or that Europe wanted no ukra NATO is a political issue joining the European Union is an economic issue right and what the ukrainians cared about was the economic issue um yes they they they wanted their independence but there wasn’t they weren’t fearful of Russia invading before uh at that point uh and the Russians didn’t want NATO on the border of Ukraine well yeah and uh so why did the Biden Administration so if the ukrainians weren’t begging to be in NATO and NATO didn’t want Ukraine in NATO which I think is all true correct me if I’m wrong you’re correct then why was the Biden Administration K har specifically calling in public for Ukraine to join NATO like what what would be the point of that because they’re idiots yeah I mean you I can’t justify a policy that the Europeans didn’t want the ukrainians didn’t want and the Russians didn’t want and the US was four okay so then maybe if Putin says and says out loud and certainly suggests it again and again if Ukraine joins NATO I will move militarily against Ukraine everyone knew that even I knew that living a long way from Ukraine and the Biden Administration says no we want Ukraine in NATO and says that to zalinsky and public in early February 2022 maybe they wanted Russia to invade Ukraine or maybe they’re just stupid because there was no I mean that was the red line yeah and there was and nobody wanted it except for Biden you know this Macho approach to things and and and a truly a lack of understanding it’s not like I’m telling you anything that was a secret this was all publicly known yeah I mean and and and and universally known in Ukraine right and and very few people would have ever suggested that and that’s what caused well the Afghanistan debacle right coupled with the threat of NATO in Ukraine and the lack of respect that Putin had for anybody a part of the the foreign policy apparatus of Biden that were part of the Obama uh government was all that was necessary to light this light this spark that created the fire prior and but there was no reason for it it it was an unforced era of Mag of incredible consequence well yeah how many people do you think have died in Ukraine all in I’m told uh over 100,000 ukrainians and uh over 300,000 Russians I I don’t know that but I’m told that so you were there you were working in Ukraine in 2014 when maidon happened um we were told by our media that was just popular Uprising against a Russian aligned government it was totally organic now it looks like it was a coup orchestrated by the CIA what was it and did you know what it was at the time it was not organic okay it was not organic so it’ be option b then it was it was there were forces that saw an opportunity to unse a democratically elected president yanukovich who acted in ways that were anti-democratic H and um where was the Obama Administration what side were they on uh they were supporting what was Happ the the re Revolt that was going on in Ukraine yeah okay so so the US state department was on the side of extinguishing democracy overthrowing a democratically elected leader effectively yes yeah where um did you ever run into Victoria Nan uh I did yeah what what was your and she was I think living there part-time overseeing all this she was spending a lot of time there during that time frame yes yeah what was your impression of her uh that she should have been back in Washington you’re very diplomatic um so I I think the overwhelming evidence points to her role in a coup against the Democratic elected president of that country yovich you work for um and then she comes back to DC and gets an even better job in the Biden Administration and then she’s now retired making a ton of money yeah you by contrast went to prison for I can’t even remember why and some fake reason that doesn’t bother you at all well that seems very unfair well it is unfair yeah I mean and and not that necessarily she gets rewarded and I get punished but we shouldn’t be meddling in situations that are constitutional republic that are democratic republics uh countries that uh we don’t like the outcome of an election and uh and look yanukovich proved himself in my judgment during the term of his presidency to be committed to Europe there were issues he was dealing with that if they had been supported by Brussels uh to help ease Ukraine’s entrance into the European trade Association agreement that we wouldn’t have the the mess we have today in Ukraine um if we had respected the will of the people and the will of the government elected by the people and worked with that that government to bring them into Ukraine as opposed to punish him for being the wrong guy to win the election uh then there wouldn’t have been the environment that Putin took advantage of that cost them Crimea and cost them the destruction in the in eastern Ukraine and the billions of dollars that we’ve spent uh you know in support of the war that could have been spent for much better purposes how hard is it for you to sit and listen to these exact same people the ones who overthrew a democratically elected government in a foreign country with a coup using the CIA and Georgian snipers those people telling you that Donald Trump is a quote threat to democracy that must be kind of hard to watch that well it’s it’s why I got back in the saddle of this election to elect him president uh because we can’t let those people win the elections that’s that’s how I believe you fight you fight in elections and uh and and I believe if you look I’m a man of faith I believe that there’s Divine hand in a lot of stuff and uh sometimes we may not understand where it’s leading us but if you think you know what’s right then you follow the course that is consistent with that and Ukraine the mess that you that was created in Ukraine in 2014 we’re still paying the price for today and the the solution is not to have the same people who caused the problem stay in power to manage the the issue but to change it and by happen stance there was an interim period between 2016 in 2020 when there was a US president who was strong enough to keep peace in that region even though there was a screw up in 2014 in the Ukraine that was supported by the west of changing power and the opportunity now exists to bring that person back and that Focus back and finish cleaning up the mess and uh and that’s what keeps me going not what Gloria what Victoria Nan’s reward was for creating the mess but just helping to fix the mess and clean it up for good it’s just the unfairness level is all-time highs and unfairness is we all know is not the way to drive your life no that’s true did you run into Hunter Biden in Ukraine I never did I heard I heard his footsteps around but I never saw you did what was he doing there did you know at the [Music] time well Joe Biden was the link between the Obama Administration and the anako administration and uh and he Joe Biden was showing lots of interest in Ukraine and uh and I actually negotiated with with his people uh the the dearm the removal of all nuclear fishing materials in Ukraine as part of the World Conference that was trying to collect all the fishes M fishing materials from from the former Soviet republics and uh but there was always more interest in Ukraine from some of his people which I attributed to Hunter although I didn’t know it was actually Hunter but some of the people who was Partners F in doing business in Ukraine and I didn’t do any business in Ukraine other than politics I specifically didn’t because Ukraine is it’s it’s a corrupt country not one side or the other it’s a corrupt country it has a Soviet mentality it’s getting better but it’s still it’s not good and so I felt that if I wanted to have the influence to help bring Ukraine into the into the West if I wanted to do the kind of policy things that I that got me involved in Ukraine in the first place that I shouldn’t do business even though I could have done business I was about to say it must have been tempting you must have energy deals coming across your desk all the time can’t imagine the kinds of deals and and big money fast money and I said no to all of that and and uh because I knew that would undercut me and the reason that they had trouble when they went after when Weissman and Mueller went after me finding something to stick me with is because they kicked over every Rock they could in Ukraine and they didn’t find one single thing um and uh and so I thought it was untour that Hunter’s firm was openly solicited business and I was being asked should we do this should we do that and my not Hunter himself I did was it was more some of his associates that I that I was Hing of and I told the anovich administration I said look if it makes sense to use them they’re part of a group that is the Democratic side I’m the Republican side it’ll help your country to have relationships on both sides but I didn’t know what they were doing I I didn’t know about the bisma thing at the time I didn’t know of some of the other activities they were trying to undertake but I mean it seems by definition like influence pedaling right what they were doing well they had the power they were the government the United States and uh it’s one thing to do business is another thing if you if you’re related to the people with power to be doing business the way they were doing it yeah and the ukrainians again because of the corruption streak in Ukraine were first to realize the opportunity Tor Nan announced in a hearing in a senate Hearing in response to a question from Mark Rubio a few years ago that we had a bunch of biolabs quote biolabs in Ukraine apparently been in our while did you ever hear anything about that or know what those were no I didn’t know anything about that when you were there when you were working for yanukovich um how vigorous was US Government activity in Ukraine like Intel agencies military cooperation well we expanded military cooperation y we expanded intelligence operations they had the US was given listening posts in parts of Ukraine that they were never given under any previous government um the cooperation level was very high the moving of allowing us businesses to invest easily into Ukraine was was wide open they Wen you had given the word we want to make the United States a strong partner in so why’ the US overthrow him and threaten his life because of two things number one he was the candidate of kochma and the establishment in 2004 when Yenko won the election or reportedly won the election uh and then in 2011 after he was elected president he did something which I vigorously told him he shouldn’t do do which was he he arrested uh his opponent political opponent uh Julia timoshenko for corruption when she was prime minister that even yusenko acknowledged was corruption and and thought that the indictment was appropriate uh of of timoshenko well timoshenko was part of the Albright Merkel Clinton you know click and they because she was female well that was one way to define them um and uh and they took great umbr to yanukovich doing that even though he made his case you know you know very factually wait so so he made Hillary Clinton mad and that’s why he got overthrown yeah effectively well yes effectively because if he had not done that if he had not indicted Tim M Shank go I think which would have been the right thing not to do he shouldn’t have done it not from a legal standpoint but from a geopolitical standpoint and given the history of yanukovich it was better as Trump did with Hillary Clinton to not lock her up yanukovich should have just moved on and not locked up to masenko how many foreign leaders did Hillary Clinton kill or overthrow because they annoyed her I don’t know that I’ve never tallied that up but you really think that that that was the key mistake he made that’s what turned the West against him in the the Westen had been a man and not friends with Hillary would it have been different different outcome probably probably that’s scary what you’re describing but uh so she’s part of a Girls Club so she can’t be arrested for corruption well I mean it wasn’t defined that way but the point is ironically Tim shenko was the Russian candidate for president against yanukovich um which is what was the cause of the corruption right and uh and yet the West blamed yanukovich and accused him of being the Russian candidate uh and so I mean I’m sure Putin was just laughing in the Kremlin at the makavelian way he was manipulating the West in this little game um but that was the critical mistake yanukovich made as president that affected a series of events that we now are still dealing with today in Ukraine it sounds like the US government was just so way up into the internal affairs of this country like if this country had no sovereignty it doesn’t S still are well of course well now do are you worried that this war if it continues could lead to a global conflict or nuclear no war no why because I think it’s going to be resolved I I don’t think anybody over there wants a global nuclear war including Putin um I mean Putin right now is living a good life I mean in the sense that his economy is stronger than it’s ever been UL Paul Manford we destroyed the Russian economy with sanctions I don’t if you’ve read that we totally destroyed it well Trump had put the pressure on and Biden undid it all and uh I mean when Trump came became president he shut down northstream 2 which was the pipeline that was going to be the solution for Germany to become partners with the energy sector in Russia uh and uh and he put sanctions on uh on on some sanctions economic sanctions for on Putin for things he was doing that were causing problems and as a result Putin backed off of everything and was a an active player but not an aggressive player you know it was a nationalist leader of Russia uh it was when Trump left office that Putin became the aggressive leader he was under Obama that led him to taking crier under Obama and with the same cast of players now in charge of un Force polic US foreign policy under Biden Harris he saw the opportunity to finish the job and that’s what and when Afghanistan happened and NATO became the uh the the crazy thing that Biden said uh was the basis goal of for the US policy for Ukraine that was all he needed those two things the Afghanistan debacle and uh and the NATO threat to justify going back going into finish the job uh it was policy blunder after policy blunder with no forethought of what it might mean I mean even the polls were not pressing for Ukraine to be in at that time and they’re the front line after after Ukraine you know dealing with Russia um and so Biden his administration was filled with unforced areas and foreign policy you know Tony blinkin how would you describe him weak he’s a staff guy Tony blinkin is a staff guy who in the old you know organization book The Peter principal by Dr Peter you rise up to your level of incompetence well he’s risen to Beyond his level of incompetence as has Jake Sullivan and several of the other people they seem like midgets H they seem like midgets they staff their staff who now have policymaking they have no creativity no strategic thinking and uh and so you get a lot of inconsistent Things based on what paper crosses the desk and then when you have somebody like Biden who was not in his best health in his during his years as president and who when he was in his best health according to people like Robert Gates never made a foreign policy decision that was right uh it compounded the the dangers that the blinking of the world could do and we’re seeing the the world is a mess because of it certainly is um second to last question do you you hear people say that kicking Russia out of Swift the sanctions all accelerated the demise of the US dollar do you think that’s imminent no why I I first of all there is no competition to the US dollar I mean the R&B is less than 1% of foreign trade you know and they’re the biggest economy in the world yeah uh Russia the economy is is not at all an impactful it’s a third world economy the Euro as a uh as a European currency has value um but they’re too many leaders of of the European Union to ever have a consistent foreign policy Economic Policy so there’s really no competition look what brics has been China’s been trying to do with the brics organization in trying to get a some kind of digital currency that could be a replacement for the dollar in foreign exchange in foreign trade it’s failing miserably because at the end of the day nobody wants to hold the weak currencies in their treasury as part of the foreign trade system so it’s never going to work and uh and so and this is what Trump is very smart on he Trump’s saying okay crypto world this is this is the future Economic Policy potentially of the world well we need to have the fort KNX of Bitcoin sitting in the United States not in Beijing uh you know and so what happens when Trump makes that statement on the campaign Trail where he says he’s gonna have a crypto foreign Reserve uh in the in the United States Biden immediately sells off 20% of its bit of the US’s Bitcoin uh that it’s holding and guess who buys it China it’s so but China and bit Biden in attempt to distinguish himself from Trump’s form New Economic Policy for the US makes China stronger in the process that’s that’s kind of mentality that we deal with uh you know in this Administration but Trump understands that having crypto regulated having having a reserve currency here you know will make it become a US based economic uh uh structure and therefore like the dollar can become part of the economic uh Power of the US worldwide so again Trump is seeing around the corner ahead of people’s vision and is not seen you know the blockchain the blockchain is the most transparent thing you could have uh uh you know so if you’re worrying about moneya laundering and things like that there’s so many ways to you know uncover moneya laundering in the crypto world it’s got to be regulated so things are set up the right way Trump sees that he doesn’t know what the right ways are but he knows he knows conceptually making the potential future economic uh uh me means of world transactions a non us structure is probably not good no probably not good probably the end of something big okay my final question you’ve run all these campaigns your whole life in the final week what are the markers the measurements that the rest of us can look at to determine who’s going to win publicly available information what well the problem is publicly available information may not be publicly correct by Design so is that true okay so let me just ask that to what extent are public polls manipulated to sway public opinion well it’s not just public polls being manipulated it’s how they’re interpreted because what happens is people don’t know how to read polls people know how to read two things who’s at first place and who’s in second place so the in a ballot who’s winning that’s all they know how to do and when you have a race that is arguably close um and you have one side who may be losing having all of the me means to communicate a different message it’s hard for American people who don’t pay attention beyond what they see in morning or night at news of what it means um I have no doubt in my mind that the media until election day will say that Harris is going to win or is leading or can win is it going to win um I think what will be signs of what’s happening what why would they say that do you think because the by defining things they’re hoping to make it correct yeah and it affects turnout it affects you know for example it affects motivations um right now the public data shows Trump winning all seven Battleground States that’s that’s an improvement over the last two weeks everybody recognizes that the movement is towards Trump yet you’ve got the media saying because they need a hook that Harris’s new campaign strategy of just saying that Trump is unhinged unstable and unsafe is going to change the the the trajectory and the undecided votes are going to break for Trump well why would they why would that happen there’s nothing to say why it would happen other than the media is saying it’s going to happen because Harris is saying it there is no evidence that indicates that that message is working with undecideds if you look at the data because they’re saying what’s important to them is their life has gotten worse they’re not better off than for four years ago they think Trump is better on economic policy for them personally they think Trump is better for them safety-wise they think Trump is better for them to uh to secure the border and they’re saying these are the most important issues but we’re going to vote against Trump because he’s unsafe you know and unhinged that’s a campaign message that’s not a direction of things are going the media provides the campaign message for Harris now so that’s why I mean what I mean and I say it’s going to be hard to interpret unless the public polling starts to grow meaning that the 2% starts to be three and 4% for Trump in in States and the 4% become five or six now interestingly you didn’t see any national polls this weekend why I don’t know well maybe because the last two weeks the national polls and the state polls were all showing movement to tr and so therefore they take a week off and then things start to change again um now if you’re in the polling business now is a weird time to take off I mean there was not one Super Bowl I mean I mean I think there’ll be some polls they’re going to do polling this week and then if things are opening up for Trump the way I think they they will start to show uh they’ll have to start tempering their statements a little bit but you’re not going to be able to tell as if it’s the race is close enough that there’s not going to be like with Reagan Carter there’s not going to be something out there that says it’s over we got 1984 not 1980 when it would when ran won 149 States um so I think what you watch for is incremental changes in the ballot but it’ll be hard because everybody’s methodology is different so you’ll have you know a race where Trump’s down one point in a place and up three points in the same place in a different pole so you’re going to be confused are there any polls that you think are consistently more accurate than others ours but they’re not public um I I think most likely what’s going to be important going into the last week is the uh the rhetoric of of if if there’s no discussion of economic issues then she knows she’s lost because that’s going to be the deciding vote at the last but I think just 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