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and you can’t it we just met but when our relationship starts with a lie it makes it tough to be friends soan You’ let’s pull that back I’m happy to explain what I do think well you actually can’t say it because I didn’t say it the whole point of your question was to be like you’re a scary racist well I my response is no I’m not okay well how about no more lying in your questions and then I’ll answer it this is the same Theory or as you say idea that has inspired the New York Buffalo shooting where 11 come on just today Julian was released after 12 years 12 years in custody and your government did nothing the UK made it possible and the United States demanded it you tell me how that’s consistent with the rule of law or democracy it’s not ladies and Gentlemen please welcome to the stage the one and only from the United States p Just For Us taka Carlson I appreciate it thank you [Music] I try not to listen to intros but when we got to the most famous journalist in the world I thought is that really a compliment that’s like being the hottest Supreme Court Justice you know the best restaurant in wagadugu not sure it’s surpriz that means that much I’m a little ashamed to be a journalist but I’m grateful to be here thank you very much for having me I’ve loved your country from afar my entire life I’ve idolized Australia actually I haven’t been here until tell a week ago but I had this view of Australia in my mind of handsome brave men fighting off dangerous animals of beautiful women standing wind blown in the surf and it’s all true uh so I really have loved it we’ve been I think to five cities and I’ve just been completely and utterly impressed and really sort of the only downside is I’ve given speeches in a lot of them and I felt guilty during every one because rule one of being in someone else’s country is don’t talk to them about their politics there’s something awful about that overbearing I lived in Washington our capital city um doesn’t it’s actually not so different from canra weirdly I guess all capital cities are the same uh but we would get this sort of continuous retinue of foreigners showing up to lecture us Bono showing up and I always say go back to Dublin more you like what do you know you’re not even an American um so with that caveat uh my apologies uh for having anything to say about your politics which which I don’t really understand except in the in the sort of grossest term terms um but the Assange news today just get had me thinking so much about Australia Congratulations by the way that happened when I was on the plane and I just my my jaw was open for the rest of the flight this morning from Perth um it’s something that I think anyone who knows anything about the case and that would include most Australians um is thrilled to see um anybody who knows anything about that case and believes that Assan should still be in prison is your enemy by the way the enemy of human freedom and flourishing um it was monstrous that he spent 12 years locked away for exposing other people’s crimes typically the way it works I don’t know if law enforcement’s the same here but the guy who discovers the crime doesn’t go to jail it’s the guy who commits the crime Goes to Jail um and that’s been inverted in his case um so I think it’s wonderful news as you all know he’s in Guam dealing with one of our Colonial magistrates I didn’t know he would had those but we do apparently in the United States uh and then he’ll be flying here where he was born and my impression is I was texting with his wife this morning uh my impression is he plans to stay here for a while and so I you know that’s a huge net benefit to your country cuz he’s a good man I know him I visited him a few months ago in Bel Marsh prison and saw how they were effectively torturing him to death and what I didn’t realize until I got there even though I’ve been steeped in the case I know his relatives I know his wife Stella um is that he was never charged with a crime in Great Britain never he’s charged with no crime so in the Free World we don’t hold people who haven’t been charged with a crime and we don’t hold them in my country Beyond a year unless they’ve been convicted of a crime or they’re on trial for a crime um that’s just the most obvious abuse of Human Rights and it went on for 12 years and he’s an Australian and I’m sorry I don’t mean this as a criticism just I think is is a perspective providing observation but like why did anyone allow that he was held in the UK on behalf of the United States which by the way until recently hadn’t charge him with a crime either and when it did charge him with the fake crime under an ancient statute that no one has ever charged under the Espionage Act to which he pleaded guilty apparently finally yesterday he didn’t violate it but he just wanted to get out of prison before he died um but he wasn’t charged in the US he wasn’t charged in the UK he was an Australian and those three countries are aligned more closely than countries typically are they’re three of the five eyes as you know and nobody did anything about it and I kept thinking like when is Australia going to send a warship up the temps to get their guy back I mean it I mean what is that I don’t know if you’ve I mean it the outrage of it I’ve been to London a lot recently and now I’ve been in Australia for a weekend there’s just absolutely no comparison and I do think it’s very important to update our files which is to say our perceptions of things are very often way out of date in some cases centuries out of date and I think the perception perhaps here I can’t speak for you but around the world is there’s this you know the mothership Great Britain that gave birth to all these other successful countri including the one that I live in and that it somehow has like moral Authority as a result of that well if you haven’t been to London recently book a ticket and then fly back here in fact why don’t you just fly from London to Perth assuming there are direct flights and ask yourself what do I notice one city is crumbling it’s filthy it’s been so misruled by the people in charge that unless you’re rich you you can’t live there and you come back to and that’s not an exaggeration go to London seriously and you come back to Perth and it’s what and I know everyone makes F of Perth in Western Australia but as an outsider I mean it’s it’s like San Francisco without the junkies it’s one of the prettiest placees I’ve ever seen in my life and I thought I don’t even know who rules this I don’t understand the details of the politics I’m a foreigner but whoever is managing this place day to-day is doing a remarkable job there are very few cities in the world as pretty as your cities and I know that you’re so isolated and just far away in the Southern Hemisphere and you might not have perspective on that but some of the capitals that you read about and in some cases genuflect toward consider Superior take orders from have no right to give you orders because they’re they’re in no sense Superior to you in fact they’re inferior to you by a lot and London is at the top of that list so I guess my bottom line advice and I mean this in this in a you know Spirit of generosity and humility but is you know understand how impressive Australia is in comparison to the rest of the world particularly the English speaking world Australia has advantages that the rest of us the other four of the five eyes um could only dream about you’re sparsely populated 26 million well educated decent people law-abiding people you have virtually no real poverty no concentrations of poverty in this country it’s like the most middle class English-speaking country left in the world which is a huge compliment that’s what you want it’s a basically egalitarian country egalitarian countries are stable countries you know Bolivia is not stable because it’s you know pyramid shaped this is pretty flat it’s the last flat country economically in the english- speaking world and its natural resources you know dwarf everyone else’s I mean I do think one of the great lies that we in the modern world have been told is that Prosperity is generated by Banks and real estate and that’s it then money lending is the engine of prosperity and in the short term that of course can be true because it juices that you know that mysterious thing we call GDP which is a measure of economic activity but over time it it doesn’t actually create wealth that’s a lie what creates wealth is productivity and what’s required for productivity are resources and you have more resources than virtually anybody boxy coal ore gas nickel copper lead uranium more than almost anybody else in a country with almost no problems except the one that you allow your leaders to intentionally import and pretty much nobody lives here I just flew over you know most of your country this morning there was nobody there sheep dingos desert and I know you know a lot of it’s inhospitable but I mean just people from crowded countries which is most countries in the world look at this and they in Envy this should be one of the most powerful countries in the world in fact by its nature it is because it has more than almost anybody else and so to take orders from some disgusting filthy fog soaked Rock in the North Sea holding one of your citizens hostage because they sent your ancestors here as a penalty I mean a certain point I think you need to say to them I I’m sorry it’s 2024 we’re in charge you’re taking orders from us and if it you know I mean it actually and I shouldn’t say this cuz I know that there are members of parliament present but maybe you should take your Refugee budget and buy a nuclear weapon or two so people take you seriously I’m not joking if you don’t screw this country up on purpose through Mass immigration which is what the other four countries have done that’s the reason they’re in Decline no one wants to say it it’s true if you don’t do that Australia will lead the world because you have every advantage and people are happy here and so my strong advice to you is don’t go the way of your cousins in our countries I mean Canada of all countries in the world I would say Canada is the closest um in its sort of essential facts to Australia it’s huge it’s actually bigger than Australia second biggest land mass in the world amazing natural resources an incredibly nice polite population well educated with a history of valiant War service you know sort of everything you would want little boring boring that’s good exciting countries are wildly overrated Las Vegas is exciting you wouldn’t live there right there’s something to be said about a country whose you know main forms of excitement are molsen and sled dogs that’s not bad and that country basically killed itself through bad leadership they completely changed the population of the country in 10 years completely and made it poor and now people can’t buy houses there the econom is in freef Fall people who are born in Canada cannot buy a house period because there are just too many people and I’m sure some of them are great people and by the way just to be completely clear I’m utterly sympathetic to people who want to move to my country for example we l in 30 million people illegally in the last four years that’s a crime but I’m not mad at them I’m actually flattered by it they want to move to my country of course you do because it’s the best country that’s how I feel it’s like someone saying your wife is hot yeah I think so too you can’t have her but I’m glad you appreciate it I mean honestly that’s how I feel I I begrudge any immigrant from any country wanting to move to the United States because I love the United States above all I am American so it’s not a question of being mad at immigrants I’m completely sympathetic in fact I’m empathetic I can’t wait to get back to my country but that doesn’t mean that the movement of millions of people mostly with low skills and no you know native command of the language and no shared culture of the people who already live there doesn’t mean it’s good for the country itself it’s not good actually it’s bad it’s the most destructive thing you can do to a country that’s not racism that’s not hate I’m not racist and I don’t feel hate I feel true compassion and empathy but the purpose of running a government is to take care of the people who are citizens of that country there’s no other purpose it’s not to save the world or change the global climate or whatever and it’s certainly not to spend a huge percentage of your budget on Refugee resettlement it’s take care of the people who are born there that’s your job in the same way a father’s job is to take care of his children not the neighbor kids and there’s something almost Beyond dereliction of Duty in not doing that in other words I I have four children for example and if a couple of them were in real trouble as people in all of our countries are the native born population in actual trouble you know one of my kids has leukemia for example another one has a drug problem and I say you know that’s that’s tough I’m really sorry but the neighbors kids literally have never been to Disney World ever and that’s just wrong and so I’m going to take my retirement account and cash it out and take the neighbor kids to Disney World because everyone should have a chance to go to Disney World see you and I leave what’s the message I’m sending to my own children I hate you I’m ignoring your problems because I’m focused on the problems of people who aren’t in our family it’s kind of that simple a Leader’s sacred responsibility is to take care of his own people period period there is no other responsibity that’s why he’s elected that’s why he’s in charge that’s why you’re dad doesn’t mean you don’t like the neighbor kids or think they should go to Disney World every everyone should go to Disney World but the priority has to be if your dad your kids cuz you’re their father so if you’re the prime minister of a country and you find yourself spending all of your time worrying about the populations of other countries you are not a legitimate leader period by definition we have someone in our country who sort of said that out loud I thought it was whatever leaving aside any other quality being orange or whatever whatever qualities you think Trump has or doesn’t have that was his core pitch in 2016 and there was sort of no arguing against it like how was that wrong how was the leader’s job not to prioritize his own people of course it is no one can make a rational argument against that so they don’t they attack anybody who raises questions about it and in the rest of those other countries including mine they’re starting to criminalize complaining about it in other words this is a great thing and if you say other will put you in jail and they’re planning to do that here in case you don’t know they’ve absolutely done that in Canada in the UK they put a lot of people in prison for complaining about it hey I don’t think you’re taking care of the people who are born here shut up racist you’re going to jail actually every week people go to jail for that imagine that imagine that and imagine the mindset that allows that if you are telling people human beings adult citizens that they don’t have a right to express what they believe believe what are you saying well what you’re saying is I don’t think you’re human because the right to say what you think pre-exist government it’s something that you’re born with as a human being it’s what distinguishes you from animals and slaves that’s the core of your human autonomy the right to say what you really believe to express your conscience and if you no longer possess that you are not human anymore you belong to someone else you were an object and so any leader who tells you you don’t have a right to say that you don’t have a right to criticize me or my policies that person considers you subhuman and that’s a crime as far as I’m concerned we shouldn’t even have that by the way my country we have an explicit law against that it’s the First Amendment to our constitution because ours is a revolutionary country and so the framers of our founding documents were forced under gunfire actually to think this through we’re building a country from nothing what do we want but the founders of the other four countries big countries in the anglosphere you New Zealand Great Britain and Canada I honestly think they never imagined a world where leaders would strip from people their most fundamental right the right to express their conscience I don’t think they imagined that possible they were Christians and sort of key tenant of Christianity is God created people we didn’t therefore we’re not capable of owning them that’s the Abolitionist Movement was based on that idea Christians in the west ended slavery around the the world they haven’t gotten a ton of credit for it in recent years but they did of course it still exists in parts of the world but it does not exist in the west thanks to leaders who had a they may have been devout Christians and it wasn’t a sectarian question it was a more fundamental understanding of the world you didn’t create people you didn’t endow them with their rights God did that therefore you can’t take them away and if you try then you are not treating them as human beings but as something less than that and I honestly think that people who wrote your founding documents just assumed that and didn’t think it would ever be challenged well now it is being challenged and my strong advice to you and I said I wasn’t going to weigh in on Australian politics but my strong advice to you or any human being who wants to preserve the most sacred of his human rights would be to resist that up to and including being willing to go to jail for saying what you believe because if they can strip from you your right to say what you think there’s literally nothing they can’t do to you there’s nothing they can’t do to you so um in any case I I will stop there and take your hostile questions but I I just I just want to say I as an outsider and as someone who is seeing all of this fresh after spending literally 50 years dreaming about Australia I don’t know why every American’s obsessed with Australia do you know that any of you who are single looking for dating opportunities come to my country is that you you can’t imagine you would just tear a swath it’s the it’s the accent no I’m serious americ Americans are absolutely obsessed with Australia and it’s not just crocodile dunde in that horrible chain restaurant um I haven’t seen a bloom and onion since I’ve been here by the way I don’t think that’s a native food um coming here really has shocked me and I thought it was nice I didn’t know it was this nice and I hope that you know how nice it is as compared to places that you think are great I mean you you just have amazing advantage is and if you want to know what can happen if you take those for granted and allow your leaders to act against your interest the interest of your children and of your nation then go to San Francisco or New York City previously great cities that led the world um that are now pale imitations sad dangerous imitations of themselves and ask yourself especially in San Francisco which does look like an Australian city those of you who have been there go there now and remind yourself this could happen to us problems like that are actually pretty easy to avoid you just need to make Common Sense decisions like I don’t know put your own people first enforce the laws already on the books don’t put up with absolutely ridiculous Behavior like defecating on the sidewalk you don’t need to put up with that actually that’s not a human right um just stick to those the problem is that when you allow them to Fester they are pretty hard to fix actually you can get into a Vortex and I’ve traveled to an awful lot of countries around the world and met a lot of really nice people and smart people who live in awful countries awful countries have you been to Argentina everyone should go to Argentina because Argentina is a lot like the US and a lot like Australia and Canada for that matter it’s a beautiful country with great people really smart impressive people a deep culture natural resources that places like China dream about um it has every advantage and they got into a spiral of self-hatred and bad Rule and allowed a series of leaders to just absolutely wreck the place and wreck their spirit and when you wreck a people’s spirit it’s pretty hard to fix that so if I were Australian and I kind of wish I was Australian actually at this point I love your language I love your profanity I love your sense of humor I love the a plum with which you deal with dangerous animals that’s also impressive and cool um but if I were an Australian I’d wake up every single morning and say I’m an Australian right I’m an Australian I’m way more impressive and when Great Britain on whose behalf you fought from 1900 in the bore War all the way through Afghanistan the number of Australians who’ve died at the command of corrupt leaders in Great Britain is unbelievable Australia I was just reading this because I’ve seeing all the the Digger monuments around and I’m really interested in that and I was reading yesterday that Australia in the first world war lost 1.2% of its entire population in that war its entire population the casualty rate among Australian troops in the first war was 68% killed or wounded highest in the world United States by contrast and we commemorate the first world war armis this day 0.1% so you gave disproportionately to that and every subsequent effort on behalf of other countries which is a selfless and kind thing to do and you should be lauded for it but I think especially with the Assan stuff that’s just a sign that it’s time to act on your own behalf and defend your own country and I hope that you will thank you how good was that can we just give another round of applause to our special guest we um we are going to do a few question and answers but uh I’ll I’ll start with the first one Tucker obviously you’ve interviewed many people who’s the most challenging and why people I’ve interviewed yes well I’ve interviewed some true lunatics um I’ve interviewed a lot of drunk people people who have anxiety attacks on camera live I’ve interviewed an awful lot of politicians where you just feel like there’s something so dark coming off them you know you get that feeling like I’m not really sure what you’re into and I don’t really want to know but I’m pretty sure drinking human blood as part of it you just woo you get that feeling I mean honestly if I’m being honest I think Trump is one of the hardest to interview not and I don’t I love Trump personally actually and I agree with him on so many things and I’m certainly rooting for him now that the department of justice justice in the United States is trying to take him out of the presidential race on utterly fake charges so I’m totally for Trump in those ways but he’s difficult to interview um because he’s what’s the word cursive sort of goes off in other directions which very often are hilarious so you go in there with a set of questions like you know like dutiful little dorky journalist I got to ask him about this got to ask him about that and you get to about Midway through the first question he’s off wow I another thing and you just sort of realize no my job is not to get my questions answered they won’t be anyway just enjoy it sit back and think of England um so yeah that’s difficult unless you sorry I shouldn’t have said that excuse me um unless you approach it with the right cast of mind which is just let it go this is this is a kind of performance art you’re in the middle of the installation you know what I mean uh so I’m interviewing him soon again and um and I’m really looking forward to it I mean so I’ll say one last thing it is I I mean I’ve been doing this for 33 years it’s the only job I’ve ever had and my views on it have changed really dramatically and My Views about my coor co-workers who I despise um have also changed dramatically despise more than really anybody uh in the world um but and that’s a heartfelt sentiment too I’m not just saying that I really mean it from the bottom of my soul um but my views on it have changed and I think that one of the one of the mistakes that journalists make a lot of them are are insecure and mediocre as people which is why they’re in the business in the first place so they can suck up to power and feel strong when they’re weak inside um but one of the mistakes they make when they go into an interview is they’re thinking about the People Back In The Newsroom and they’re trying to impress them that’s the real audience for the interview and so you see them ask these questions these inherently fruitless questions all of which are designed not to elicit information from the person being interviewed but to illustrate the journalist’s moral superiority over the person he’s talking to well is it true Mr Putin and you eat children I do not eat children but you do and he sort of has to wonder like does the guy expect Putin to be like well it’s funny you asked I do eat children actually um and you caught me you caught me and I’m going to tell you now exclusively that I eat children of course not the whole point is to let all the other dummies back in The Newsroom at ABC news or NBC or what you know whatever these ridiculous absurd totally discredited news outlets to let them know that the journalist is brave and I feel at my Advanced age at 55 that that’s actually kind of not my role that my role is to elicit information to the extent that I can for people watching and in the case of interviewing someone like Putin about whom I do not have strong feelings by the way I should say I still don’t he’s smart interesting very Russian I’m very American you know my goal in that interview was not to let people know Putin’s bad they can decide for themselves they’re adults don’t anybody tell you who you have to hate I decide that I’m an adult man I pay my taxes I’ll decide who I hate who do you what do you think I’m your dog no you know if I hate Putin I can hate Putin if I like Putin I can like Putin it’s completely up to me not up to you okay so anyway um but my job is just to get they haven’t heard him talk so you get him talking just get a corporate of information out there from which they can make up their own minds and I took a lot of abuse for doing that oh you’re his puppet or what shut up you know the whole thing was completely ridiculous and in point of fact I mean they’ve told me to hate Putin for the last four years I’ve never figured out why I mean I I don’t want to live in Russia I’m not Russian they don’t have the freedom of speech that we have in my country therefore I don’t want to live there it’s kind of that simple um but I don’t know why I should be mad at Putin Great Britain doesn’t have freedom of speech do you know what I mean so like if you really think about it I’m mad and should be mad at people who have hurt my family people are like wrecking my country and driving inflation up to a point where my kids can’t afford houses and filling my neighborhood with people who aren’t from there and who are hostile and making our country completely you know shattered the social fabric is gone who did that did Putin do that no Joe Biden did that so if there a question if the question is who is a greater threat to your family Vladimir Putin or Joe Biden Vladimir Putin never called me a racist like what are you even talking about I don’t have any feelings about Vladimir Putin this guy’s a lunatic who’s wrecking my country so again don’t tell me how I’m supposed to feel I reserve that right for myself because I’m a free man it’s that simple thanks Tak I had a I saw uh couple of our friends from the Press Gallery have a smile when you uh were getting into the Free Press so I might ask Paul sakal from the Sydney Morning Herald to ask a question great thank you you’ve almost pray thanks for your speech of course Mr Carson um it’s the media can be extremely negative so it’s nice to hear uplifting comments about our country it’s an amazing country it is and I think we forget that in Australia often times so appreciate that you’ve preed uh my question on Putin Putin and I think you I think you did strategically because you knew it’s what we’d ask he’s so bad and I also appreciate that did he make you take the co shot take the what the co shot no he didn’t sorry sorry sorry sorry the co the the co shot saved probably tens of millions of oh yeah yeah definitely definitely safe and effective this is why everyone loves the mediaa 100mo L there like a time capsule it’s like it’s like you’re like the last Japanese soldier on okanawa you think the war’s still going it’s hilarious sorry I’m I’m sorry I’m being borish can I get the full answer in with that Interruption okay I beg your pardon um I’m I’m interested in in in your position on Putin many people in this crowd would adore conservative prime ministers in this country like John Howard Tony Abbott main mainstream right- wiers like Boris Johnson Australian liberals some of their MPS are in the crowd are vehemently anti-putin they believe he’s a reprehensible figure who doesn’t believe in the in the values of conservatism such as the rule of law and democracy which gives us the freedoms we have in our country I’m interested do you feel any do you feel any level of shame or regret that you you you were termed a useful idiot and then po post your interview Vladimir Putin himself said in his Russian media that he was surprised at how weak your questions were and he also said that you were wrong when you said that no other journalist had asked to inter we said that’s not true we only thought Taco was the only person report fair I thought that you were describing Putin as a psychopathic liar and yet now you’re taking his word for things do you but I let me let me just let me just let me let me um let me just quickly unpack your absurd Soliloquy if I can um first I I’m I’m stuck on the idea that Boris Johnson is a right winger I do you know Boris Johnson I do Boris Johnson is uh is a criminal bu who like so many who claim to Love Ukraine is single-handedly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men in this war that Ukraine cannot win and I would just I would refer you to Wikipedia how many how many more people does Russia have than Ukraine do you know 100 million 100 million and in a land War that’s a relevant number it is not possible for Ukraine to beat Russia the best they can do is Sue for peace that’s been known including by zalinsky who wanted that since the early days of this conflict and Boris Johnson on orders from the Biden Administration shut down and this is not a disputed fact this is a fact admitted by everybody now shut down the peace negotiations almost two years ago and Ukraine has been completely destroyed and now zinski has passed a law allowing foreign corporations to own land there so you tell me what Ukraine is going to look like in 30 years when all of it is owned by Black Rock and multinational corporations and its population is not Ukrainian okay so so the tragedy of what’s happened in Ukraine orchestrated by the Western Powers including your government and I hope you do and and driven by my government I feel shame about it I hope you do too is really one of the great crimes of my lifetime so the idea that somehow if you’re against that you’re for Putin well of course that’s absurd and by the way speaking of your friend Boris Johnson he attacked me of course at common him and so I called him he was a journalist not surprisingly a man of low character not shocking and so I called him and I said well you’ve called me all these names why don’t you sit down for a conversation I happen to be in your rainy depressing slum London and we could have a conversation and he said I won’t do that unless you pay me a million dollars that’s a fact that’s an in non- disputed I have the text messages so if that is the credible source of the slur that look if I were a to of Putin or I loved Putin I would just say so because why do I care I’ve already been fired I don’t work for anybody I have no incentive and by the way it’s perfectly fine if people love Putin well I don’t understand what that has to do with anything we are citizens of different countries we should judge first and foremost our own leaders how’s our country doing how are my children doing what’s their future look like none of that has anything to do with Putin except to the extent that you all in this country sit back your government allows the B Administration to push us into nuclear war which is where we are right now right on the cusp of it and somehow that’s not a story that is that Putin doesn’t respect human rights or the rule of law okay well just today Julian Assange was released after 12 years 12 years in custody and your government did nothing the UK made it possible and the United States demanded it you tell me how that’s consistent with the rule of law or democracy it’s not it’s ruled by the Intel agencies it’s lawlessness and it’s a crime so I’m not I mean I’m not saying that we’re morally equivalent to Putin I’m not saying that what I’m saying is our concern should be first and foremost how are our countries run and we give our own leaders a pass time and time again because they point to some other creep on the world stage and say he’s bad Kim Jong-un is bad well yeah of course he’s bad that’s why I don’t live in North Korea that’s why I don’t live in Russia I have no interest in living in Russia but the point is you’re bad too and the fact that he’s bad does not allow you to continue being bad what and the last thing I will say that I really feel deeply and I really resent on an emotional Lev and you’ll pardon my passion I I don’t know you I’m sure’ be very close friends if we did know each other but I I really resent what I have seen across the West in the past 15 years and it’s a sea change from my youth when my father was a reporter this alignment between media organizations and the government I find disgusting actually I I think it’s it’s a perfect it’s a perfect inversion of what supposed to do if you’re a journalist your job is to challenge power on behalf of the power lless it is not to align with the powerful against the powerless and that is precisely what you have done I watched your ABC this morning in my hotel room for about 20 minutes until I looked around for a vomit bag and I watched it was one of the most gr I couldn’t even believe it was real the first story this is unbelievable the first story the first story was Assange God bless them that is the biggest Story the second story was a family of four found dead in a house I think in a suburb of Sydney but it may have been Melbourne I beg your pardon but four Australians found dead of what they suspected was a drug OD apparently they’ve been taking a new synthetic opioid that has emerged in Australia and is killing people now this is a huge problem where I live much bigger than here so I but I’m familiar with it and the reporter said it’s probably the synthetic opioid and it’s been seen and they’re dead on to the next Story the next story was the Australian government’s new law that will require a prescription to buy nicotine products and we were treated to a 15minute lecture on ABC whatever the hell that is about how nicotine is dangerous and we need to keep it out of the hands of Australians and I’m like wait a second nicotine first of all is not dangerous that’s not true it’s factually incorrect you know nothing about the science a b compared to what compared to what oh we have this new synthetic opioid that’s killing people the government not too concerned what they’re really concerned about is that people might be using nicotine which by the way has the byproduct of raising testosterone levels and making people a little harder to command that’s a massive threat so this is the point where the media gets involved and says wait a second let’s chart the death toll from vaping versus fenel maybe one’s a little worse than the other and what exactly are you doing about it why don’t you press your ministers and your Prime like what are you doing about it about drug use and the answer is nothing and instead they’re hassling people who adults who want to use nicotine which I would highly recommend to every person in this room as a life-enhancing god-given chemical that’s just my view but I’m like a media should be like holding these people to the fire on that I was fired over a year ago so I don’t have to like worry about this or be defensive about it because I like don’t have a job so there is a certain freedom in in unemployment and so I sympathize with you guys who work for these companies that are like truly corrupt and you sort of know that but you don’t want to deal with it because You’ got kids a mortgage I get it I’ve been there but let’s just be honest everybody else knows what it is everyone else knows how corrupt you are and so there’s a reason they have contempt for you I’m just saying thanks taka um on on that on that on that note I might pass you over to Andrew Green from the ABC oh I love it you going to take my nicotine it’s dangerous good afternoon tuck I a prescription for nicotine okay I I missed that segment this morning it’s shocking you should watch it it’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on television um I do want to ask about a country you haven’t mentioned today and that’s China but before that I wanted your response to the former vice president Mike Pence who has tweeted in the past hour or so that the Assange developments are a a miscarriage of Justice by the Biden administ ation and that Assange endangered the lives of our troops can I just apologize for something that I said and I and I it’s my fault when I ascribed sort of all Badness to the Biden Administration that’s actually not true you know the worst things that happen in our Capital City are a bipartisan effort and they are that’s just a fact and so I don’t want to be partisan and claim it’s all the Democrats fault it’s absolutely not on the worst things that are happening in America immigration and pointless Wars and covid policy it was both parties guys like Mike Pence aligning with guys well Joe Biden’s not a person anymore but the people around around Joe Biden and you know the truth is you want of the actual truth I won’t be borish but Mike Pompeo was Trump’s CIA director and it emerged and it’s factual that as CIA director when Assange was locked in the Ecuadorian Embassy for however many seven years or something um that he plotted to murder him and asan never been charged with any crime in the United States at all in under our system and yours you can’t just murder people because they embarrass you so Assange leak CIA secrets and pompeo’s director of CIA plotted to murder him that’s a fact and the remarkable thing is that no one arrested Mike Pompeo he’s still walking free there’s a guy who plotted a murder he’s a federal bureaucrat in a democracy Federal bureaucrats people just like appointed to a job as a political favor can’t just kill other people they don’t like that’s not allowed speaking of Russia and yet in my this is aimed at my country people are like no that’s totally reasonable like pompeo’s an upstanding guy no he’s not he’s a criminal he’s a criminal and he tried to murder the guy who exposed his crimes it’s super simple it’s what the mafia used to do it’s why they won every jury trial kill two jurors the others acquit and he tried to do that and it blows my mind and I think I I think Mike Pence is a sad weak man but I think that’s an incredibly shameful tweet I read it and I was enraged by it and I’m just sorry that I didn’t describe the problem in Greater detail previously I’ll get on to China now uh you may or may not be aware of a strategic partnership Australia is involved with in with your country and the United Kingdom called orcus where we will get nuclear powered submarines can I get your assessment of that and it was largely in response to China do you think China poses a threat here I think that um you know I first of I think it’s very complicated but I think the overview is this China has 1.4 billion people and not enough resources or land Australia has 26 million people and a sparsely populated continent that is brimming overflowing with resources that countries with expanding economies need and I don’t know how expensive your politicians are I’m guessing not very so I don’t think it’d be too much of a lift for China to just buy them all and I assume they already are doing that I mean obviously they are doing that and they’re doing that in my country too they bought the current president’s son um so I’m not mad at China for that well they did they bought Hunter Biden I mean that’s the whole story and um and it’s proven okay so I’m not mad at China about that just for the record I’m not particularly anti-china um I don’t want to live in China it’s not my system uh at all and I find a lot of parts of the culture repugnant on the other hand I see China in China a country acting in its own interest so I’m not mad about that I’m mad about the countries like my own and possibly yours that allow themselves to be taken advantage of that’s the truly shameful thing so I don’t hate again I just don’t hate China you know I see a rapidly growing country that will do whatever it can to help itself and if it crushes people in the way it will okay so that that’s pretty reasonable that’s kind of a you know time- tested model your job is not to be crushed and so I’d be very very very concerned about I don’t think you face an imminent Invasion or anything um I do think that the concerns about China just the the size differential the resource question population these are the fears that have pushed generations of Australian governments into a counterproductive alliance with the United States and Great Britain I think the view here is that the US will rescue us if we ever really have a problem and I don’t think that’s true I’m sorry to say that and I and I’m just saying that is I just don’t think it’s true and I think you’re unwise for believing it’s true and I think a lot of people on Taiwan thought that was true it turns out not to be true um I think a lot of Posh Tunes in Afghanistan thought that was true a lot of monards in Vietnam thought that was true you know a lot of Christian Iraqis thought that was true and all them learn the hard way that it’s not true that in the end countries act in their own interest and in a democratic system leadership changes every four or eight years with different views expressing you know evolved opinions from the public so no Democratic country can be longitudinally reliable as a partner simply because it’s government changes so often that’s just a fact it’s not an attack I’m not attacking the United States I’m not attacking you I’m just saying if you think that allowing the US government to Stage you know foreign troops on your soil they didn’t beat you in a war did they then why do they have foreign troops here that’s I mean I’m sorry I know I’m offending everybody it’s just a fact and I don’t know if that’s like a huge part of your economy but like rule one in my country is we don’t have foreign troops on our soil because we’re a sovereign country and I don’t understand why all these countries allow it I mean I love the United States I’m glad you know that we’re we’ve got the whip hand I guess but I just I don’t think any country should put up with that no you can’t have soldiers in my country go away you know what I mean like we can be friends but having troops on my soil suggests not a friendship but a Master Slave relationship and I’m just not into it at all and I don’t think you should be into it either thanks t one final question from the Press Gallery uh cat Wong from myip hi taka thank you so much for your address today um so you talked a little bit about immigration and in the past you’ve talked about how uh White Australians Americans Europeans are being replaced by non-white immigrants in what is often referred to as the great replacement Theory this is the same have I said that whites are being replaced well I don’t I don’t think I said that well it’s been mentioned on your show 4,000 times and really when did I say that on your on your said whites are being replaced you have said that before really yeah I I I would challenge you to cite that because I I’m pretty sure I haven’t said that I said native I said native born Americans have are being replaced including blacks native born Americans native born Americans Americans who’ve like black Americans have been African-Americans have been in the United States for in many cases their families over 400 years and their concerns are every bit as real and valid and alive to me is the concerns of white people whose families have been there 400 years so I I’ve never said that whites are being replaced not one time and you can’t it un um we just met but when our relationship starts with a lie it makes it tough to be friends so let’s pull that back I’m happy to explain what I do think well you actually can’t say it cuz I didn’t say it and I don’t believe it and I’m telling you that to your face so why don’t you just accept me at face value my concern is that the people who are born in the country are the main responsibility of its leaders and as noted earlier when those leaders shift their concern from the people whose responsibility it is to take care of to people around the world and put their priorities above that of their own citizens that’s immoral and they are being replaced in my country people who were born in the United States and the birth rate tells the whole story they’re not at replacement rate and so the US population is growing because we’re importing people from other countries and my view is that happy people have children and a functioning economy allows them to do that and we don’t have that and so you need to fix the economy and fix the culture and make it so that people who want to have kids can you don’t just go for the quick sugar fix of importing new people like that’s my position and if you think that’s racist that’s your problem I never told you RAC but of course you but of course you are suggesting and I I must say one of the reasons people don’t like people like you in the media is that you never say exactly what you mean your slurs are all by implication and you’re about to tell me the great replacement theory is racist or antisemitic whatever I I’ve said what I’ve said to you right now like a hundred times in public I hope to if I live long enough to say it a hundred more times I think it’s completely honest and real not racist or scary it’s factually true it’s not a theory it’s a fact and your the whole point of your question was to be like you’re a scary racist my response is no I’m not okay well how about no more lying in your questions and then I’ll answer it okay well um this is the same Theory or as you say idea that has inspired the New York Buffalo shooting where 11 black americ were Ked two Americans were killed it’s also it’s not first of all it’s inspired the worst the one of the worst Australian guns how do they get people this stupid in the media I guess it doesn’t pay well look I I’m sorry I’ve lived among people like you for too long and I I don’t mean to I don’t mean to call you call you stupid maybe you’re just pretending to be but I’ve never I’m totally against violence I’m totally against the war in Ukraine for example which doubtless you support and like all dutiful liberals support more Carnage I don’t I hate mass shootings actually nothing I said what does it mean to inspire something My Views are not bigoted against any group they’re honest they’re factual that’s not hate that’s reality and My Views derive from a deep concern for Americans actually Americans aren’t having kids because they can’t afford to and nobody in charge cares and so that’s my position that doesn’t Inspire mass shootings how dare you try to tie me to some lunatic who murdered people how dare you actually and in fact I mean do you know what I mean i’ be like you know Hitler wore those shoes a lot of people are saying that you’re like Hitler can you explain those shoes Hitler wore exactly the same shoes and you’re like I’ve got nothing to do with Hitler that’s how I feel about your absurd disingenuous question right so therefore you support gun control what I thought it couldn’t get Dum but it did no I don’t support disarming law-abiding people so they can’t defend themselves so the government has a monopoly on violence I don’t think so first of all in my country that’s illegal as you know but moreover it should be illegal in every country a sovereign person has the right to defend himself and his family here period and that said I’m totally opposed to harming anyone anyone have you been calling are you concerned about the war in Ukraine and the countless Innocents being murdered there every single day I doubt you are probably Putin bad I am I’m a Christian I hate violence I hate mass shootings I have guns at home and often on my person when I’m in the United States I’m proud to say because I want to defend myself and those I love against violence that that’s the point I’m not perpetrating crimes I’m not shooting strangers I’m defending what I love and if you’re against that I guess I would ask why why would you be against that well so you don’t think you Harbor any kind of responsibility for these hate crimes I’m sorry I’m trying to be charitable I’m trying to be charitable I was like maybe you’re just pretending to be dumb now I don’t think it’s an act Tako thank you for taking those questions I’m sure you enjoyed uh actually I led it I just feel sorry I mean cuz I got here in the country so unbelievably beautiful and the people are so cheerful and funny and cool and smart I’m like your media’s got to be better than ours it can’t just be a bunch of castrated robots reading questions from the boss and then it turns out it’s exactly the same maybe even a tiny bit Dumber huh okay I’ll take your question all right are you from ABC I I’ll I’ll repeat the essence of your question you can I can I can hear yes first [Music] cons e so thank you um I would say two things for those who didn’t hear it the question was it turns out a lot of things that have been derided as conspiracy theories actually Bear you know more investigation actually um and given that you know how do you feel about the prospects of a free and fair election in November in the United States I think it’s is that a fair sumission so um I would first to the phrase conspiracy theorist which I’m I’m certain has got to be a staple of your news media given the selection of questions I just received um that it’s worth knowing the Providence of that phrase it comes directly from the Central Intelligence Agency actually 1964 in the aftermath of the murder of our President John Kennedy in November 63 There was a very famous and entirely fake investigation into it called the Warren Commission and people who were reading it critically noticed anomalies like they didn’t want to investigate the guy who shot the lone gunman like what what um and raised questions about it and that phrase conspiracy theorist entered the Lexicon in my country and it was designed to shout down and shame people who ask legitimate questions now that said there are a ton of wackos out there and a lot of them show up at my house and they’re nice people but they’re clearly a little touched by the great spirit that’s all right I mean there are crazy people for sure but there are also far more people who just noticed like well that doesn’t make any sense and that’s kind of where I started like well what is that shut up racist or conspiracy theorist or whatever lone you know Mass shooter whatever this chick called me so I think the first step is recognizing that that’s a control tool those are not the responses of someone who seeks an honest adult conversation with you where you sort of share evidence and arrive a consensus that’s someone who believes that he can make you shut up like you would by yelling at your dog so he can go do something awful Without You interfering with him that’s the truth okay so anyone who uses the term conspiracy theorist is by definition discredited in my view why don’t you address the specifics of the claim I’m making no matter what it is the second thing I would say is I’ve lived long enough and covered the news long enough to not discount anything it doesn’t mean every theory is true I hear some wacky theories but given what we now know about so many different things how can I in good faith just did dismiss something out of hand I just can’t at this point you have to stay curious stay rational I mean I think people should always stay rational like where’s the evidence for it if there’s no evidence it’s probably not true or you can’t prove it but stay open-minded um and as to the question of the election you know I’m I’m very concerned I’m very very very concerned and I don’t understand like I I guess I do understand why the institutional Republican party in Washington hasn’t done more to secure elections we have this problem of electronic voting machines which are not more efficient they don’t produce more precise answers than written ballots and they don’t get us the tally quicker than written ballots so the question is why do we have them okay that’s one area but the much more significant fact I would say is that the way Americans vote was changed completely using the pretext of covid and the idea was that Americans were so sick with this killer virus that emerged from a pangin in a wet Market they were selling mammals in a seafood market for some reason in Wuhan they were so incapacity they couldn’t actually make it to the polls and so they needed to have their ballots anonymously picked up in these dropboxes without using voter ID and it had nothing to do with voter frud at all it was purely a Medical Response well now Co is of course still around hasn’t gone anywhere once fouchi created it it’s going to be here forever but we’re not worried about Co anymore for some reason and but the voting changes remain in place and it’s very clear to me that the point of them was to AB bet voter fraud obviously and I don’t think that you okay that’s fine there’s voter fraud around the world but you can’t simultaneously claim that you’re here to defend democracy and to bet voter fraud at the same time because voter fraud undermines democracy very very obviously more than anything else right if people can’t trust election outcomes you don’t have a democracy and Americans can and I’m very distressed about it and I don’t really know but there seems to be no appetite to do anything about it I mean one of the things you know I won’t go on the last thing I’ll say but the question of voter ID is not a question in most civilized countries France for example you don’t have an idea you can’t vote I me because how do we know who you are and we take elections seriously even in France primitive stinky France takes elections so much more seriously than we do it’s it’s a shameful to me as an American and so but we were told you can’t do that because African-Americans just don’t have IDs really is there evidence for that so in my country you can’t do anything without a government ID you can’t cash a check you can’t have a bank account you can’t buy a pack of cigarettes you can’t check into a hotel you can’t get on an airplane you can’t get on a Greyhound bus you can’t do anything without a government issued ID of course you can’t drive a car and so some enterprising independent journalists went out and tried to get the numbers on this and out nobody doesn’t have a government ID if you don’t have a government ID in the United States that means you can have no contact with government you get nothing from government you don’t exist in the eyes of the government without a government ID so the adult population of Americans of any color who don’t have government issu IDs is like approximately zero okay it’s like someone in a nursing home and yet nobody in the media noted this and to this day we don’t have voter ID laws in state after State because it’s considered racist and it’s yet another example of the way that Ruthless People with I think evil intent Leverage The inherent decency of the citizens of our country to get their way if they said we’re just going to commit voter fraud and if you don’t like you we’re going to shoot you the people of the United States would rise up as one and put them down but instead they say you’re a bad ask questions you’re a racist well no decent person wants to be a racist including me that’s awful I think God created every person with identical moral value identical we are all creations that’s my view so racism is like abhorrent to me so I don’t want to be called racist and Ne there as anyone else in my in my sweet country because Americans are really decent people so that claim right there is enough to shut down the opposition sufficient to roll over it and that is exactly what’s happened and I and I hope we’re at a point where we just stop taking them seriously these are people who don’t care about the meaning of words who will accuse you of abetting a mass shooting because you think your country has too many illegal aliens like it’s freaking insane so obviously they don’t really mean it they don’t really care they just want you to be quiet because you’re inconvenient and my strong advice to you is don’t be quiet because if you’re [Applause] quiet thanks for watching our YouTube channel we hope you’ll subscribe to it and by the way you can hit the little Bell on there and get notifications every time we produce a video we hope you’ll do that also
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