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do you feel the craziness right now overwhelming and I feel like one of my great advantages in life is I you know grew up around a fair amount of craziness and I’m not bothered by it and I try never to be busy I hate being busy I think people who are busy are it’s a sign of kind of narcissism and disorganization if you complain about being busy but I feel both busy and a little bit shocked everything that’s going on so I would say I’ve reached my I’ve reached my limit and I have a very high limit well I want to say congratulations first of all that uh president Trump has selected you as press secretary um I I I was stunned by that news last week and uh I mean I woke up I said what the hell and I I I immediately knew it was a joke I mean not a joke but I think I don’t know who started the rumor or who made a fake post about it um what was your morning like that morning because I texted you I knew it was a joke right away I mean I texted you and I just said this is hilarious but I’m sure people fell for it right well I was actually working that morning when it came out I guess because by the time I got to my phone it was just overwhelming you know that’s the last job you would want I’m 55 you know after 33 years the media I don’t want to sit in a room full of people from CBS News you know what I mean and take have to post some party I love Trump I voted for Trump I did rallies for Trump adult men can speak for themselves and I don’t think anybody at least any middle-aged man I speak for the middle-aged man Community wants to read other people’s talking points I mean you know of course not and I definitely would not do that I would not work you know most people haven’t been in the briefing room the White House it’s the most depressing airless sad kind of just creepy it smells like a Tim Wall’s locker room you know it’s just like naughty stuff has gone on there impure thoughts have been had there I just don’t want to be in that environment at this age at all but I would love to like go for a day and do like a guest gig or something just to like get my aggressions out that would be fun well you got to do that you got to do that quite a bit on this tour I mean going around around the country and even before that like around the world um but you spent quite a bit of time obviously with the president-elect here in the last few months um you know I I just I hate to ask the obvious question but like what was that like what was that I mean so many people watching right now I just can’t even imagine being in a room with the president they’d probably you know be a nervous a nervous wreck but you got to spend quite a bit of time with him what was that like for you well I mean how many times have you Clayton Morris interviewed Donald Trump like a hundred so no it’s I mean you know Trump well I don’t know if your viewers know that you do but I know that you do and it’s he’s exactly the same in person as he is as you well know in as he is in private which is kind of the great thing about him he’s more you know he’s more colorful in private um you know he’s more a little Freer in what he’ll say but in general he’s the same guy it’s not like you know some tele evangelist who gets off the stage and you know and is a totally different person he’s not like that at all he’s like Trump is the I’ve been with Trump in a million different in a lot of different countries and he’s always the same guy so he’s great I mean he’s like the most entertaining the most interesting he has perceptions that you wouldn’t kind of come to by yourself um he’s insightful he’s not like a genius in a conventional sense but he has an intuitive sense that’s honestly brilliant I mean you don’t get to be president by accident especially the way that he did it no he’s an amazing person and I don’t think anybody who spent time with and he’s a very warm person as you know he’s a very he’s a legit warm Guy and um so no I really enjoyed it I mean I Friday night I watched the Tyson fight I know Tyson Trump knows Tyson really well really loves Tyson as a person he said he had 17 Tyson fights at his his casinos so he’s known Tyson for 40 years and really likes him as a person and I I know Mike pretty well and I like him a lot as a person too so we you know just sat and watched the fights and ate ice cream Sundays and you it’s like fun like he’s just a he’s a good guy and I the last thing I say about Trump is there’s so much swirling around him that’s intense and some you know some of it’s very very dark and E efforts to kill him obviously uh he never seems bothered by it and I and I don’t really understand and his physical stamina I don’t know how a man I’m as I said 55 if I ate like a Big Mac and then an ice cream Sunday which I love to do by the way first of all I get really really quick like immediately the next day I can’t fit in my pants and I’m totally out of energy and Spacey and just bad food affects me I think affects all of us it does not affect him it’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever seen he like you know scarf a Big Mac and he’s like totally on it I I don’t know he’s got a different metabolism just physiologically he’s different well you bring up a great Point Natalie and I were sitting there one night just watching him and he was at some event and then he was at some other event and he’s just as gracious and hugging people and shaking hands and he’s there then you know he’s going to be there for like three hours and then he’s got to go to something else I mean if I have to do something like that once every six months like I fixated on it I fixate on it for like six months like oh I have to be at this thing 6 months from now for three hours like are you kidding me and he’s doing it multiple times a day up early also I mean I know when we were doing you know fox and friends together he would he was up and he’d call into the show and we were up like super early and he’d be up super early and then he’s up super late and I don’t know how he does it I really don’t well it’s it’s beyond I mean I I I don’t I don’t get it either and he’s an older man I mean he yeah yeah he’s older so I I don’t understand it and I’ve asked him and I’ve asked people around him and I’ve asked you know the whole Maha group who I know well and really like always encouraging me not to eat pizza but you know great people who know a lot about health and the body and like I know you and Natalie do you know how could a guy you know give everything you know about him how could he phally and they’re all like you know they’re just some people are just genetic anomalies he’s that if you try if I tried that I’ll speak for myself if I tried that you know I I would be in a diabetic coma me like no sleep constant travel always performing getting attacked from all sides massive cortisone level stress levels I I just and and I’m not sucking up by the way I’m not like you know oh Trump is perfect or anything like that but that’s just that’s just true Donald Trump is like not like you and me that way at all oh for sure for sure I can go on a health binge for a few weeks and feel great and then just have you know one or two off meals and I feel like Homer Simpson like in just like short order it’s pretty it’s pretty remarkable and then it’s a slippery slope and then I just want to I just want to keep doing it just keep eating more Donuts um you know it’s it’s been crazy it’s been I have so many things I you know I just would love to be be able to sit down with you for just hours and just be able to just to just to talk about everything that’s going you guys are coming to stay with us in Natalie said you guys were coming to stay with us in March which I’m very excited for I would love that I yeah I’m super excited about this par house bring all bring all the bring all the kids bring the kids and bring the bring the puppy and I mean I don’t know how you’ve managed to do it um right now when you look at I mean there’s so many different directions that I I have in my brain that I want to talk to you about I mean when you look right now at president Trump and where things are going with this country uh we’ve got about 50 or so odd days until he becomes president of the United States uh where do you think his blind spots are right now obviously you’ve been around him you know that he has people’s ear people come up to him and something that Colonel Douglas McGregor has said to me a couple of times is that very often it’s the maybe the last people in the room who’ve had incredible influence um over president Trump what do you think he’s learned from 2016 and the in his presidency until now now that you you know you’ve been been able to spend so much time with him um I think he’s learned well he’s learned a bunch he’s learned the depth of the corruption of the systems that run the country of the institutions that we live under the Department of Justice the Intel world I mean he made Tulsi gabard Director of National Intelligence is just really an amazing fact it’s amazing Bobby Kennedy HHS incredible um Dr Oz at uh at CMS Marty McCary I think at FDA I mean he put reformers like real reformers not not kidding around reformers in key positions so that’s a sign of what he often says which is the system is corrupt drain the swamp is a synonym for the system is corrupt he knows that um second thing I I think he understands I mean look how quickly they’ve made some of these appointments well all of them it’s been two weeks and they’ve got almost every cabinet position treasury still open there may be another possibly Veterans Affairs I’m I’m losing track but in general they filled every position in two weeks and um and third and most important I think he has learned the lesson a lot of us learn over time which is you can’t trust anyone who hasn’t been humiliated in public unless someone’s really been through it you know really been through it fired from his job accused of a crime you know and stayed true to what he believes hasn’t collapsed inside and become Michael come you know it’s only people like that you can really trust under pressure and I I certainly feel that way in my life and which is why when I got fired from my last job the people I brought with me are the people who came with me you know because they’ve been through all this stuff and and I knew who they were it’s easy to be you know a great person if there’s no pressure applied to you but when things start to fall apart you know people move in directions you can’t anticipate so you want tough people courage is the indispensable requirement I think for leadership it’s you know it’s easy to say or even to believe the right things but it’s harder to carry them out Under Fire and so I do think he’s appointed people who’ve been through it I mean telsey gabard has been through it Bobby has been through it Matt Gates whatever you think has been through it I mean Matt Gates got accused of child sex trafficking by the Department of Justice which then never charged him for child sex trafficking I which if you think about it like people need to go to doing that I mean how would you like if I’m like you know the doj announced today that Clayton Morris is you know responsible for genocide in central Africa okay well proiv it and then you get fired from your job and all your neighbors hate you and your wife divorced you whatever like your World falls apart right and then doj is like well actually we’re not charging him for genocide in central Africa it’s like the people who did that to you should be punished for it and they did that to Matt Gates if he’s a child sex trafficker prove it in court and if he’s not you’re committing a crime by saying he is so it’s super simple so I do think I I believe this that Trump picks Gates and people like Gates because he knows who they are and they know who they are because they’ve been forced to learn right I think you’re right about that and I think it’s so infuriating to to to hear to have any of this sort of hidden from us so even when you know even when speaker Johnson said I don’t you know we have an investigation we have a report on Matt Gates we’re not going to release it to the public no no I think that time is over release all of it release everything now put it out here for all of us to see it be transparent you don’t get to sort of pick and choose this anymore you know and so you’re playing their games I mean transparency put it out in the sun marjerie Taylor green yesterday said you know put it out in the sunlight everything the Epstein fil the tapes everything put it out there let us judge it’s exactly right and you know Bobby Kennedy um and I’m sorry to keep going back to Bobby kenned I’ve spent a lot of time with him in the last six months Bobby Kennedy I think is the perfect example of this Bobby Kennedy’s led a quite a varied life um with ups and downs and with behavior he’s not proud of and it’s well known and they’ve you they the people who oppose uh rooting out corruption have tried to blackmail him many many times in the basis of that publicly and privately and he has the same line every time which is I’ve got so many skeletons in my closet if they could all vote I’d be elected King he just says he just says they’re like yeah you’re accusing me is something bad I’m sure it’s true you know but I still think what I think and here’s what I believe and like why don’t you rebut those arguments no one ever wants to they want to just get you off the stage by attacking you personally but the point of keeping all of this stuff secret is to use it as leverage against the people on whom it’s collected obviously it’s why the Intel agencies have access to you know the back back end of the porn sites because they know what people are watching you know and they may have video and who knows what they have but they definitely have access to back end of porn sites and why and the the answer of course is to Blackmail people need I mean that is the answer and they do and it’s not just Intel agencies um who do that so it’s other politicians it’s the media to some extent knowing secrets about people gives you power over them and so my view just in general is I’m against Secrets if I’m keeping a secret from wife it’s probably not good you know it’s probably not I mean I’m not right you know what I mean nobody wants his Secrets Revealed but big picture if you live in a society with a lot of Secrets you live in a in a society in which you know criminal behavior is rampant and and we do so um yeah declassify it all and let’s start with 911 there’s absolutely no reason that 23 years later those files should be classified oh shut up conspiracy theorist well they’re abetting conspiracies they’re actually causing people to go crazy and come up with theories for what happened they know the answer the and by they I mean the federal government just release it and same with uaps same with the Kennedy assassination same with everything unless there’s unless you’re planning a Normandy Invasion on Sunday in which case you can wait till Monday to tell me about it there you have no legal or moral right to keep that for me it’s my government I pay for it you’re doing it in my name I own the government I’m a an equity shareholder in this government and so are you and so I I the fact that the the public stands for this and allows secrecy to be used as a tool of control which it is a lot and I’ve seen it is is shocking to me people should say no you cannot classify a billion Federal documents on what grounds who gave you the right to do that just because you’re in the job that determines classification doesn’t give you the right to hide the truth from the public who owned that information so yeah I’m with I’m with MTG you know if we’re going to release and of course they’re going to leak it as they leak everything well let’s leak all the all the Ethics Committee reports and then the people involved can tell you whether or not that’s true and they can defend themselves and if there’s counterveiling evidence we can see it and just like sunlight that’s the answer sunlight stop lying no more lying lying is bad lying corrodes it corrupts all of us we’re all participating in a system based on lies and that degrades us it diminishes us something you’ve said really stays with me and I I think about it often as we look at like the Independent Media journalism landscape because yeah they’ll try to couch it all right as like this is for your safety this is for your freedom uh we’re going to pretend that you know Monty is over here because the Normandy invasion is going to happen up near Cal and not down here Normandy Beach so you need to Rally around it because it’s all about protecting our freedoms and our democracy and we kind of constantly hear this uh bandied about but something you said to me not said to me but you you said I think publicly a couple of times after you after you left uh after you left your last job um it’s about lying by omission and I think about I think about that often doing the show that we do uh because it’s very easy to lie by Omission to build a show and to leave out key things because it makes you uncomfortable exactly or because you’re receiving money from some Source or whatever so it’s very nefarious I mean cuz you can flip on Legacy Media today and you can say oh that they’re in the tank for the Democrats they’re in the tank for conservatives and Trump but there’s always like 30% of the things they’re missing they’re just not saying it for some reason and and you wonder and that to me is a is a deep state is a deep State money how many of the you to me it’s always follow the money but what do you make of that because I see it now happening in alternative media like forget the cable box forget Fox News forget NBC forget CNN and lying by Omission or whatever but now it’s happening in alternative media like the The Independent Media and it’s it’s I think it’s creeping in there and it’s bothering me I don’t know if you see it or you’re aware of it or what you think I I think I know what you mean I mean well certainly it’s just a feature of The Human Experience um I’ve I’ve wrestled with it personally because if I’m being honest and I always want to be honest you know you you you you say things you believe are true that’s your obligation or well your obligation only your vers it is not to ever say anything you know to be untrue that’s a lie okay right on the other hand are you under any kind of obligation to say everything you believe is true no I mean I have thoughts about you know things that are embarrassing or not relevant to anything I could be completely wrong or you know gee he’s gained a lot of weight probably not going to share that they’re hurtful for no good purpose um and then they ALS turn into Kramer from Seinfeld where you just walk into a room man you need a nose job like exactly it’s totally right so you don’t want to be that person you don’t want to cause harm for no reason you want to be constructive and and kind on the other hand you know there are some facts of American life that are very obvious that are never spoken out loud partly because you know people seek to be polite and not to hurt other people without cause um and partly because people are afraid to say the the most obvious things um and that’s certainly true in our political realm and so there are plenty of things that I believe to be true that I that I don’t say either because they’re um they’re hurtful I’m not sure they’re right or they’re just so overwhelming that it’s like okay you know I don’t really know quite what to do about that um so it might be better just to State affirmatively what you would like your country to be which is sovereign capable of acting in its own interest um that’s really important honest you know you’d want a government that just says what it’s doing and why it’s doing it tells you the truth as As a matter of law like you’re not allowed to lie to the public why why should you be allowed to lie it’s illegal to lie to a federal agent as everyone knows and many of my friends have found out the hard way but it is not illegal for them to lie to you so it’s like who came about with that system anyway these are our employees but they can lie to us if I catch my housekeeper lying if I catch her in my safe and she’s won’t say what she’s doing there she’s out but in the federal system it’s like you can catch the feds in your safe they don’t have no obligation to tell you whether there and there’s nothing you can do about it in fact if you complain they’ll put you in jail so clearly you know we’ve got a a screwed up system but but yeah there’s a lot that’s unsaid and there are also of course tabos and and you know we grew up in a society that was governed much more than we realize by tabos things you just don’t say and both of us are from you know L Anglo backgrounds which is a culture that doesn’t say everything out loud already so um you know it’s a process of learning to articulate things you’ve taught not to articulate um figuring out you know what’s a helpful way to say something etc etc but yeah just to bottom line it there are huge facts determinative facts about American life and politics that are never set out W that is absolutely right sorry I think some of the people that are speaking out about it are getting you know they’re they’re being destroyed for speaking out about it and you’re seeing that you know um and it’s really disturbing and uh yeah I I guess it kind of as I think about the future of Journalism you know what does it mean for independent journalism obviously journalism is very important to you how have how do you see it evolving changing given the fact that this past election cycle I mean people didn’t turn on their cable box I mean CNN’s ratings are verifiably in the toilet I mean done uh layoffs you know MSNBC no one’s watching them they were they were on the air this week crying basically asking how they can regain relevancy up against you know the Independent Media now and social media influencers and of course it’s condescending right this idea that people are only watching 20 second sound bites is just total people are watching your two-hour shows as one of the most popular shows in America they’re watching Joe Rogan’s three-hour shows is one of the most popular programs in the world in world history and so MSNBC gets up there and you know denigrates people that they say they’re watching 20 second clips and that’s all they’re doing and how do they regain relevancy and all of these things um but where do you see journalism going you know Elon Musk said you are the you are the media now um after election day um how how do you think it’s going to change and evolve over the next few years how important important is it for citizen journalists well I would just start by saying there’s nothing more corrupt than what we have so I’m glad that it’s going away there’s nothing shallower than capable life in it um so for them to say you know the public is reaching conclusions we disagree with because they’re not watching long and they’re getting all their news from Tik Tok or something I you know I there’s again I just want to restate there’s nothing shallower Dumber more repetitive more controlled less informative than cable news I think I can say that with authority so can you so if they’re claiming that the other guys are just like not up to their level of Journalism or rectitude like that it’s just dogs barking it means nothing to me um obviously we’re entering a much Freer more open Period Elon Musk deserves 100% of the credit for that because he has this platform at scale the only one at scale that’s open um Joe Rogan deserves the credit for creating an entire new genre podcasting from which I’m benefiting so I’m grateful to Joe Rogan and I mean that plus I love Joe Rogan anyway but um but he did that single-handedly so and I guess we’re both beneficiaries of it he created this thing like it didn’t exist before is an amazing thing and you know if the world were fair then you know everyone in the media would be tipping a hat to him like did you invent the newspaper did you invent radio did you invent television I don’t think so Joe Rogan essentially invented podcasting I mean he made it clear to everybody else that this could both have an effect and be a real business no you know who thought that would be true he he proved it here are my concerns my concerns no I I don’t have too many concerns here’s something that annoys me if there’s a lesson of what happened to television and newspapers print and you know Legacy Media it they died because they were corrupt I mean the business model changed etc etc there ways to you can they won’t evolve like the people work at NBC News will not have careers in journalism 10 years from now and the reason they won’t is not because of Technology it’s because they have no credibility because they’re corrupt they’re they’re Liars so that’s really the lesson corruption kills you especially in a business predicated on trust which is the media don’t emulate that don’t be corrupt and you know there are people on social media influencers on both sides and we’re learning more about it now post on who took money in order to endorse certain people or ideas that’s corrupt I mean look I take advertising I think you do too it’s okay to say I’m being paid to promote this product and by the way I like the product or whatever you you say but it’s very clear you’re being paid to promote something it secretly promoting things for money is you know maybe you make you know a decent living doing that but over time it devalues your currency and makes people not believe you not trust you why would they and there was some of that in this last um cycle and I hope the people who did it will just admit that they did it and be very open about it um and I hope it’s not like a story we find out about in five years and all of a sudden you know people don’t trust us anymore as a result of the behavior of a few people do does that make sense it makes a lot of sense and that’s what I worry about for Independent Media I mean we are as you know especially in the right we’re under enormous pressure already from the sensor you know if you’re broadcas on YouTube you’re already you know up against it we’re every day in our live stream I see some people saying we don’t even receive notifications when you go live YouTube doesn’t tell us you’re going live you’re suppressed you’re suppressed you’re suppressed so we know we know we are we’re already up against it and now you’re going to now you’re going to layer on this additional level of like corruption and you’re going to I don’t want say it’s corrupt it’s just immoral really to to say that you you’re I love kamla Harris I love kamla Harris and you guys got to go out and vote for her and I’m not going to tell my audience that I received uh you know tens of thousands of dollars from her or the same on the Trump side that you’re not going to say that um and I don’t know by the way I don’t know how widespread that is but you know if even the suspicion arises that people are not telling the truth because they’re paid to they’re being paid to lie I think that’s incredibly Cru I don’t think I know because I just exited 30 years in that business that’s very corrosive so I hope that that is not happening in any widespread way and I hope that it ends because I I mean more than anything I I would much rather be wrong I have been wrong a million times including about big things but I don’t want to be dishonest and I don’t want to be seen as dishonest I both for my own reasons of Integrity but also because that like why would anyone watch you if you’re a liar like no one wants to watch a liar it’s not worth your time it’s why it’s not reading the New York Times I don’t want under my head I don’t know what’s a lie and what’s not just get away from me and I think most people and I think it’s also troubling on the other side to be fair is if if we find out and again I haven’t even heard this story and if if this is you know a lot more than I do I will say that 100% And your sources are phenomenal so I will say that um but if we find out that that like you know the RNC or somebody from some super pack related to Trump was paying off like conservative YouTubers or people or something like that I I think that would be deeply disturbing on that side too not just on the person who accepted the money but it would it would raise a lot of questions for me on the backside I guess um I’d have I’d have I’d have to really wrestle with that and sit with and think with that because my immediate reaction is I’d be bothered by it but maybe maybe not like if I sat with it for a while I’d be like well how maybe maybe it’s is it any different than some some other television ad you know but I don’t know I I think I would be bothered by it I think kind bother no evidence no evidence that that has happened um at all but I just think it’s important to keep in mind that purity of spirit is detectable by others people know who’s being honest who’s saying something because you know I really believe this that’s why I’m saying it and I think people can feel that and don’t don’t take a dark path like there’s enough money in this country you don’t you know you don’t need to destroy yourself and your credibility for 50 Grand like that’s not a good trade for you or anyone else I don’t think can I ask you an uncomfortable question oh I love I specialize in those Clayton you specialize in well we look at Trump’s cabinet coming together um yeah you know a lot of these people very very well um and I and I you know I have to say I’ll just put it out there first for me I’ll just if I’m going to ask you a tough question I’ll I’ll put myself out there I I’ve said it multiple times here on the show over the past few weeks like I was stunned that Mike pompe was even in like the circle so I know I from my own uh reporting that there were some people close to Trump that made that not happen and uh and if I believe you might have been one of those people so if that’s the case that you talk to Trump into not hiring a criminal for his own cabinet uh I’m I’m excited about that um first of all did you have any influence of that whatsoever and then also are there any other people on his cabinet that maybe made you cringe well on the question of Pompeo I would say two things um one I have no idea if I had influence or not I I think Mike Pompeo is a criminal I’ve said that many many times he plotted the murder of someone who not even been charged with a crime which federal appointees are not allowed to do the you can’t kill people because they embarrass you so that’s criminal Behavior he’s never been charged for it he threatened to sue me for saying that I will say once again please do um I would enjoy the discovery portion of that excise I would love I would love the discovery of that that would be an amazing it would be amazing I would look forward to it so that’s the first thing I have no idea if I had influence um you know we all overstate our own influence uh so I always assume I have very little influence but that’s what I wanted so I was grateful that it happened second I don’t even know in point of fact if Pompeo was really in the running or not I think it’s possible Pompeo is a international businessman of some kind uh not clear what kind but you know if you’re doing business abroad you want to be talked about as a potential Secretary of Defense um because it’s you know it’s helpful for your business so I have no idea I really don’t know the degree to which he was jinning that up in order to help his business I it’s unknown and probably unknowable but he’s not um yeah look I it’s not even about the people it’s I am very concerned that the people who have hated Trump for eight years and run out of ways to destroy him indicting him well first calling him a racist spying on him with the federal Intel agen sicking the FBI on him trying to put him in prison then trying to kill him at least twice probably more um actually but at least twice and um that those people out of options have decided the only way to stop Trump and the disclosure that a trump Administration will bring once again disclosure is what they fear having their crimes revealed that the only way to stop Trump is with a World War and um so I’ve been pretty fixated on that for for months probably more than a year I’ve just thought a lot about it and I know a lot of the people involved and they’re very very very focused on war permanent Washington doesn’t care about domestic policy in case in case your viewers I’m sure know this but just want to restate it they don’t care about domestic policy they don’t care about fixing the country closing the borders ending the drug crisis getting the cartels out of you know the entire Southwest they don’t care about that what they care about is exercising power abroad killing people because it makes them feel like God and making money and that’s where the money is trillions of dollars so they care about foreign policy and I have been concerned and remained concerned that that group of people which is basically everyone in DC in both parties wants Trump to take the country to war either against Russia or comma far more likely comma Iran and I think what people outside I don’t I don’t know how to the degree to which this is understood but I will say it a war with Iran is a World War this is not 2002 Iran is now part of a coalition that includes the biggest economies in the world and the largest militaries in the world so a war with Iran means a war in effect or you know by proxy but still a war with Russia China turkey and a lot of the rest of the world so that’s a World War it’s not just as simple as we’re going to take out their nuclear facilities okay how are you going to do that and how you going to how are you going to ensure that that doesn’t destroy the United States in the process and of course they they don’t care whether destroys the United States that that’s the actual answer they don’t care and if they cared they would pause and think about it but anyway I don’t want to be bitter about it but to me it’s really simple anybody who would even consider having a war with Russia or Iran should not be in any position of power at all in this Administration or any other Administration it’s super simple and I and I think especially Ukraine is so obvious now there is some debate on Iran and I’m not of course I’m not endorsing Iran I’m not a Shiite but there’s really no debate at this point about the debacle that has been Ukraine Ukraine’s not going to win it’s just completely destroyed Ukraine it hasn’t crushed Russia it’s really hurt the United States so anyone who can’t say that out loud should not have a job in the federal bureaucracy so that’s my litness test it’s not about people or personality of course I know them all as I know you do too and I and I like a lot of them I even like some of the guys I disagree with um one in particular I like very much nice guy good guy but it’s just a it’s a simple practical test for whether or not you should wield power do you have the requisite wisdom to lead my country and if you’re still defending the war in Ukraine you do not have the requisite wisdom to lead my country that’s my opinion that’s a good litmus test we should start there that’s like the basic that’s like the kindergarten test do you support this you you exactly I mean exactly it’s amazing because you even have I was stunned by something top Ukrainian Commander uh zusy just said this week I mean he said he was in one of his master’s homes in the UK um in in Britain where he was meeting with Ukrainian troops of course who are being trained there in the UK and he told the troops there that it’s there’s almost no hope for your survival and that you need to go to the front lines basically knowing you’re going to die and and I mean that’s quite a prep talk and I mean so for this like vicious proxy war kill or be killed and this is the truth of it you know over a million ukrainians dead now uh or permanently maimed an entire generation of young men wiped out a country destroyed and they’re still they’re still trying to sell this thing and then of course over the past few days we’ve seen the madness that is unfolding in the White House allowing longrange missiles to be used from Ukraine at NATO’s Direction make no mistake anyone watching this knows that ukrainians don’t even know how to use these missiles it’s NATO that’s doing it of course and attacking inside of Russia and and now and then with ADD add on top of that the Biden Administration now has okayed anti-personnel mines to be used something they’ve long said absolutely we won’t use these are basically a lot of like the same pedal mines that are thrown into the ground in denet and the donbas region and children go to the playgrounds and they find these little pedal mines that look like leaves they pick them up and their arms are blown off or they’re killed and the Biden Administration was absolutely against this this was their stance and now suddenly within the past week all of this has changed so who the hell is running the White House I mean you’ve got again I I I know you’re humble about this but you’ve got amazing sources there like Biden is not who is running the White House like who is our deao president is it Anthony blinkin right now is it Jake Sullivan who is doing this well if you’d asked me yesterday morning I would have said Tony blinkin who’s been running it since the beginning but now I would say Satan because anybody I really think that you’ve got you know dark Forces in charge I mean there’s no there’s no justification for using anti-personnel Minds in this conflict which can’t hope to be solved with anti-personnel Minds resolved in any way the only effect of that move is to kill innocence period that’s it that’s the only that’s the only effect and and they know that and so they’re doing it anyway because killing is the point um so it’s evil I think we should say that I don’t think it’s a matter of Defending democracy the president of Ukraine Is Not Elected he’s a dictator he literally passed his term and kept serving he’s a dictator an anti- and that country’s shut down a Christian denomination but priest in J how many more markers of dictators do you need to call it what it is which is totalitarian so um everything about it is horrifying I’m I’m so glad that you mentioned what’s happening in the UK and France there’s the complicity of Western European countries in this really I hope books are written about it but there’s something about a dying Empire you know collapsing demographically totally pointless finance-based economy um no self-respect at all nihilism Rising there’s something about that mix the final days of a Dying civilization that causes it to lash out in this kind of orgy of killing for its own sake it’s it’s really the darkest thing I could like you imagine Rome collapsing and you know the vandals toppling buildings and you know having orgies in the streets all stuff really it’s the end of an Empire’s more like a kind of suicide a kind of murder suicide where you know the formerly great power kills itself and then takes a lot of people out as it does it it’s like more horrifying than I ever thought you know reading about the end of Rome um and I’m I think it’s probably pretty consistent over time I mean this is what partition was in India you know the second world war ends Britain quote wins but really they’ve lost and they have to give up India and which they’ve had for 300 years and rather than figure out a sort of good way to do it they just like pull out basically in one day and allow this massive Carnage you know between Indians between siks and Muslims and Hindus in India in which hundreds of thousands of people died that did not need to happen why did the British do that because there’s something about the end of something great that’s always ugly and vicious and violent hurtful to those around it you know there’s like deep stuff going on here that I don’t I trust me I do not pretend to understand all this stuff but like the behavior of France and particularly Great Britain which itself has become totalitarian where lots of Britains native bord Britain are in prison for posting social media opinions and they’re in jail for that like that’s not a free country it’s a totalitarian country same with Canada same with New Zealand same with Australia it’s like what the hell is going on it’ll be hundreds of years before some wise person can assess what happened to the English-speaking world you know 20 years into the 21st century but all well at once they decided to kill themselves and a lot of other people on the way out it’s really amazing you know it’s it’s easy to say oh it’s the globalist it’s part of this globalist agenda they want to get rid of nation states right they want to devalue the US dollar and US currency to create a Global Currency they don’t want boundaries they don’t want borders they don’t want massive population either you know it and I I think about that often and I have to kind of pull myself back from that Cliff a little bit but then I keep I keep walking up to the cliff because I keep seeing signs that that’s true and it’s deeply deeply disturbing you know and you see what’s happening with Trump right now and these dark forces that are surrounding him um you know I think you tweeted the other day I think you said something like the prayers of good people got Donald Trump elected two weeks ago wars with Russia and Iran are the Counterattack and I know you don’t post a lot on X like when you do never it’s never yeah I mean it’s but it’s very thoughtful and it’s for a purpose right so when I saw that I I I sort of I just shook my head thinking my god well if this is the Counterattack who’s the Counterattack from I mean this is some dark force that’s really trying to undermine this Trump Administration right I mean and it’s so evil I mean have you ever seen an Administration like this where no leaving office you try to drag the next Administration into a World War I mean I get what the clintons did leaving office they remove the W’s from the keyboards for George W bush like you know like I remember that this is this is this is totally different well I and I look I’m I’m hardly a theologian I mean I’m the opposite of a theologian I don’t understand really anything about Theology and really don’t care to but I just have noticed through years of observation that there is a kind of dualism is an exactly the right word but there is a there’s a war um in the Unseen World between light and darkness good andad it’s been described by every civilization since the beginning of time so I think we can assume it’s real and you do see that you know expressions of good manifestations of good are sometimes followed and vice versa by outbursts of evil and I don’t think there’s any other way to read that and by Counterattack in that tweet which I wrote this morning I don’t have my Twitter um password so I you know sent it to my office and said please tweet this thought of it in my Sona this morning but I was like I was just brooding on it and saying prayers about it I was like I think you know I think Trump I don’t know that Trump’s like a super faithful Christian or anything but I know a lot of very faithful Christians prayed for Trump and I think it had an effect I do I think it was the determin of effect I I really believe that and the Counterattack is promoting a war for its own sake without any promise of any kind of meaningful Victory truly War for the sake of killing people totally unadorned no one’s even pretending that we’re going to get democracy or something if these missiles kill Putin I mean there’s no argument even it’s like no we’re killing because we can that is the definition of evil and if I could just say one thing that does distress me about American society is that not enough time has been spent thinking about how violence is bad violence is bad it just is I’m sorry and a lot of people that I like um I’ve worked with have defended violence over the years and I think self-defense is legitimate but killing people for the sake of killing them because you don’t like them or you think they represent something bad that’s evil I just want to be clear violence is bad and by the way if you’re a Christian it’s not allowed it’s super obvious from I mean you don’t need to be a theologian to glean that from the New Testament you’re not allowed to do that Jesus is being hauled away to be tortured to death on false charges and you know one of his guys raises a sword against one of the people carrying him away dragging him off to get tortured to death and Jesus scolds the man with the sword on who’s doing it on his behalf say put that away and so we are not allowed to commit violence against people EX I would argue maybe in selfdefense you know in a self-defense scenario but certainly not so we can feel powerful or because we’re annoyed or because we don’t like a certain president or something it’s like it’s nuts and because not enough people say that it goes unquestioned but it is bad and it doesn’t I’ve seen a lot of violence you know a lot and I don’t know probably more than Tor nuland has seen so um I think people who’ve seen it are not quite as enthusiastic about it I mean it was never in the military but but I’ve you know been around that stuff when people get hurt and it’s was like no this is not good at all and anyone who thinks it’s good is a freak and I I just for the remainder of what however long I have on this Earth I’m gonna keep saying that because I believe that’s true like CNN last week when they they hauled out Tammy Duckworth to talk about the the virtues of putting women in combat like I I don’t think that’s the flex you thought it is you know when all of Tammy Duckworth’s limbs are have been destroyed as a result of combat and CNN’s like see women cancer this is why we want to send women to be M did they really do that oh I couldn’t believe it I couldn’t believe it like that was the argument against I don’t know who said it I think it was Matt Gates said women should not be in combat I think it was it was a response to Matt Gates saying look that’s we should be protecting I’ve said and I tweeted out I said we should be protecting our women not sending them to the front lines of these wars and CNN trotted Tammy Duckworth out to say see this is why should it was unbelievable it is unbelievable and I agree with I think what you said is the truest thing it’s not that women aren’t Brave or capable of course they’re you know it’s like I’ve got a whole business it’s you know women are in I mean three daughters I couldn’t be more forur women I couldn’t respect their talents more but my obligation as a man is to protect the women of my life that’s why I’m here and if we have a country then the whole purpose of the military is to prevent our women from being killed and raped that’s the only reason we have a military and so If instead we’re asking women to fight our Wars for us that’s grotesque and dishonorable and so it’s not a question of women’s rights it’s a question of men’s obligations as men as protectors and providers that’s our job now I know we’re living in a period where we can pretend that’s not our job and your wife’s got a job at City Bank and she’s a provider whatever but you know this is just a moment in time this is just a spot on a on a Continuum and that is not the rule it’s biology doesn’t suggest that that’s true it’s not real and you know over time people will look back on this and say boy those people talk themselves into some seriously destructive nonsense but most destructive of all is the idea that you know I’m GNA sit back and let the women in my house fight a war are you joking if I have a home invasion of my house do I say to my wife you know what I got the last one will you will you repel the Invaders you know what I mean she would never speak to me again because she would know that I’ve let her down in you know her moment of need on and Sh my most basic Duty like the most basic Duty that you have as a man so I find it repulsive actually and I feel very um angry and judgmental about it and they’ve reframed it as this feminist issue just like go work yourself to death at a bank and never have children that’s Liberation like they sell people on these ideas that hurt them that deny them the things they want most and that give them the greatest joy they deny themselves those things so they can work for Larry Fink and then they convince themselves or they are convinced by the propaganda machine that that’s somehow Victory or something like I’m winning T do you think Tammy Duckworth gets in bed and like I have no legs like this is really kind of the apy of feminism like I did my part for women I mean maybe she thinks that I feel sorry for her I just want to be clear I’m not attacking Tammy D Timmy Duckworth she is a she is a victim of a disgusting system that dis exploits and hurts women and sells it to them as Liberation and she’s maybe dumb enough to believe it I hope not there was a piece La I’ll get you out of here in a second here because I know you got to run um you me upay well there was a piece last week and Natalie and I were talking about it and it was about uh there’s an entire Generation Now of grandparents who are like I think it was in the Wall Street Journal and they’re just it’s like the missing generation so all these grandparents are just sad they’re all sad that their that their their kids just opted to not have children and so they these grandparents walk past playgrounds and they look at these you know these little grandchildren there they think oh my kids just they wanted to work they wanted to work for City Bank they wanted to you know that was the and I don’t think they couched it as this you know was a feminist movement but you and I have seen it you you you see you see it and the push and you know the way that we’ve pushed people uh women specifically is they should be working up until you know into their 40s um when they can have dangerous pregnancies if they’re lucky they can have uh they can get pregnant um but it’s deeply disturbing and I think you’re seeing it in the birth Gap in the United States right now too too few children being born to Americans it’s it’s deeply sad it’s really sad I felt bad for these grandparents it’s it’s really upsetting it’s so funny when I was a kid you know we learned two things one that slavery and serfdom were bad the idea that you know the rich white people would just sit back and Leisure and let brown people do all the work for them now I’m learning that’s actually it’s racist to be against that and and the second thing I learned was that only truly retrograde Barb Eric civilizations like under feudalism for example in Europe would allow pregnant woman women to just like give birth in the field it’s like right now we have you know the most involved apple is like no no freeze your eggs right I’ll fly to another state for an abortion it’s like really which exploits women more again the amount of slavery that’s sold to us as Liberation just absolutely blows my mind if people could just like pause for a second turn off device and think clearly they’d be like wait a second no apple is not my friend they’re just Google is not my friend black rock is not these are my enemies these are the enemies of human flourishing they’re the enemies of the things that my heart desires um and the whole system is set up to make a small number of people really rich and yet you know last thing I’ll say in Tifa which was you know of course laid dormant during the entire four years of Biden because they are the you know the youth wi of the democratic party maybe they’ll be mobilized again but they were always like we’re so radical we’re antifa and I always thought to myself if you really radical why you never mentioning the fact that credit card companies are charging 20% interest you they’re always radic like we hate white people or you know we hate any group that’s not voting for the Democratic party they hate whites because they’re not voting Democrat that’s why they hate whites now now they’re gonna hate Hispanics because Hispanics aren’t either I hope Hispanics are ready to be denounced but they never said a word about the actual power in this country and the banks are the very top of that pyramid the people who live off the interest that you pay that enslaves you no one ever mentioned that the radicals never mentioned that not one time so like I would just hope the next generation of radicals takes aim at the actual power structures at the actual tools of Oppression which are not racial they’re economic I just really hope that because that would be a nice conversation to have I’ll get you out of here on this and I would be remiss if I didn’t ask you this because back in the day when you and I were sitting there on Fox and friend’s couch and and talking for three hour four hours a day in commercial breaks and having coffee you and I would often talk about UFOs uaps and and and all of this stuff um and I was a crazy person of course so I you know and um but you had this hearing of course the other day and we’re past the point yes aliens exist whatever uh we we have reverse engineered their craft we have these materials we know this now that’s on the Cong Congressional Record we have this stuff like let’s move be let’s move the conversation beyond that I want to ask you about Zero Point Energy and these technologies that I think this government has in their in their possession I think it’s verifiable that instantaneous travel I think it’s one of the greatest coverups in human history that we don’t have access to this technology are you are you hopeful at all that these members of Congress Nancy mace and others are going to be able to timbered and others are going to be able to pull this out um of these deep these deep programs and and and release it like what’s your when you’re when you’re in in the Smoky fied rooms what are you hearing about this well um no I’m not at all hopeful um I mean hopeful I’m not at all confident um one of the members I don’t want to betray secret but one of the I think this is correct the members of Congress you just mentioned I won’t say which pushed hard on the on the UAP disclosure active of 2022 which has never kind of been enacted and as a result was primaried by his own party which is you know the kind of Maximum punishment in electoral politics so there is a massive we cannot overstate the effort in place to prevent disclosure and the question really is why and so yeah these Technologies clearly exist it’s not clear to me who possesses them I’m pretty sure no one’s profiting off of them so you know you can instruct all kinds of explanations for why but you know everyone I’ve known which is every president who’s been really read into this stuff is unwilling to disclose what he learned and you have to ask like why is that so I think the truth is and I haven’t gotten to the truth but I’ve gotten close enough that I’m like uh I think it’s very very disruptive like way disruptive it’s not just that locked is making a lot of money on anti-gravity technology or you know we’ve been visited by people from their planet or whatever I mean I think there’s more there I mean there is more there so and I’m not you know exactly sure I’m not going to speculate but I think it’s a big deal I think it’s a bigger deal than we um than we often allow for it being right I mean obviously yeah I mean there been going on for 80 years so yeah I could literally you know with this technology not have to go to the airport wait six hours take my family with luggage I could be at your house you know and have dinner with you right now like you know and and it’s it’s to me it’s just a massive crime that we’re allowing like cancer but can I ask you a question can I ask you a question so there there is this um there’s this process of recovering of of these craft whatever they are right and the so-called biologics that reside within supposedly um and I’m sure you’re aware of this so how exactly are there so many crashed uaps what is that they have the technology to you know travel 150 knots underwater but they somehow crash a lot I mean it’s doesn’t kind of make any sense they just have like bad GPS or something it’s like they’re they possess technology that defies the laws of physics but they crash so I just don’t think that makes any sense and what I believe is true is that um these recoveries have been the result of the summoning of these craft and that’s the word that was related to me the summoning of these craft so you know if you’re summoning what does that even mean you know you’re talking about a phenomenon that exists in the spiritual realm I mean that’s more like a seance than a science Expedition right right doesn’t make it any less Real by the way but it changes the category right when we can’t wrap our brains around interdimensional right and so I think that’s when you start to get into that it’s it’s mindbending to think about we think oh they’re just coming from offworld or are they literally right here interdimensionally or they’ve been here for thousands of years in our oceans and there’s been quite a bit of people I’ve spoken to have told me about early craft that they were recovering in 1940s apparently were wildly affected by and deeply disrupted by radar um and it was causing all sorts of problems with these craft and the initial craft that they had recovered were as a result of radar um interfering with their with with the way they were traveling I’ve also heard GPS over the years so but I’ve also heard sources tell me that think about all of the test you know craft and probes and things that we launch on a regular basis that craft crash that they are somehow omnipotent that they wouldn’t crash is you know is laughable as well they’re going to have craft that crash it’s just a matter of you know it’s just physics it’s going to happen at some point so I don’t know I I just I’m hopeful that in my lifetime we’ll get something where we get the government to say you know all of those all those cars you’ve been driving for so long yes we’ve had the technology for you know 100 years that we can travel instantaneously and we’d like to we’d like to now present it to you and sorry all of people that make billions of dollars a year um you’re out of you’re out of a job but I it’s too disruptive I think at this point you’re yeah anyway it is it is it is disruptive and the last thing I’ll say is we just had as you pointed out Congressional hearings on this under oath and like nobody noticed and so you wonder like if a fleet of uaps landed in Central Park it’ be like a two-day story and then it’ be like okay onto the next thing maybe we don’t have the capacity to to understand or accept this whatever this is yeah I mean I’ll just I could go on and on I I could say this you know Robert Hastings who wrote the famous book on on ufs attacking our you know uh atomic energy silos excuse me our Atomic missile silos in in Montana and other places at malstrom Air Force Base and so forth and turning off all of those nuclear weapons that aren’t even interconnected like the systems are redundant they’re not even they’re not even paired together and the UFO just hovering over top of them turning all of them off um that goes back to the 1960s you know and so I think there’s been some Revelations that came out of these hearings I like Lou Lou alzando on the record said we are not alone like that’s now in the Congressional Record that we are not alone and he’s instead of saying he thinks so he now emphatically said it like on the record I think he’s maybe feels a little bit more free to say something like that so I don’t know I know people thought ah we’re not getting a lot of this from the Congressional Record here but I felt that there was some pretty big Revelations this past uh during this past year no you’re abely right yeah well anyway again I could talk to you all night and I absolutely would and I I’m looking forward to being able to do that with you but uh I just wanted to I just really wanted to sit down with you for a little bit post election here and just kind of you know now that you’re not traveling the world um like the Beatles um be able to just have a conversation with you so so but thank you I am I am tremendously grateful for your time thank you for everything you do you’re a beacon of light for all of us I I say that wholeheartedly and uh and I think you you lead us uh whether you know it or not uh you lead a lot of us in Independent Media and uh in you know in in in journalism and I think you are a shining example of how to how to live and how to lead in this time so I just want to say that and thank you well I’m grateful thank you Clayton my longtime friends Clayton Morris thank you very much thanks Tucker
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