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I think the whole point of the Diddy parties was to get people to endorse comma no there’s a lot of there is a lot this is something I never perceived at all when I lived in Washington I thought was like a dumb conspiracy theory even though I worked in the kind of crypto entertainment business I know a lot of a lot of people in the entertainment business of course cuz I worked in television and I know a lot of people with the Intel agencies and in politics cuz that’s what I did and you would hear people once in a while say Well they’re all controlled you know there are files on that person and I was like oh you sound like a freaking wacko what are you going to say like Flor fide in the water is bad turns out fluoride in the water is bad it’s crazy but that’s that’s actually true it’s true and I I’m not guessing that it’s true I know some of the people involved there are a lot of people in the entertainment business but in the cultural business more broadly certainly in the news business who are controlled by other forces like obviously how many of them look independent how many of them look kind of Shifty and Afraid you look at Jimmy Kimmel like I don’t know what’s going on there but like that guy clearly is nervous super nervous and I don’t know why he’s nervous but every time I see Jimmy Kimmel I used to kind of like Jimmy kiml I’m like wow man he’s worried about something and a l i feel that way about a lot of them you know I don’t know that we’ll ever get all the details on Diddy I don’t know Diddy never met Diddy kind of glad never been to one of his famous parties um but I know a lot of people who have and you know I don’t know exactly what that was about but I know it is not uncommon at all we have been trained to believe that our senses are somehow less valid than things that we read on Wikipedia which is totally controlled by the CIA and the truth is the opposite is right if you’re listening to someone speak and that person seems deceptive do not believe that person period Tim Walls comes out who ran with comma Harris I don’t if you remember Tim Walls and I saw Tim Walls and I’m like I don’t you know I’m not going to indict him for I was like that guy’s a creep just flat out I’m sorry he is and I’m not I’m not calling the you know us attorney trying to get him indicted or anything CU I don’t have evidence but I just knew instantly that guy’s lying to me the current way of doing things has been decisively rejected most notably by young people mhm when was the last election where Republicans won young people I mean really you know you always think of like you know your blue-haired daughter lecturing you about say no your blueh haired daughter voted for Trump she shouldn’t have blue hair but whatever she voted for Trump like what are you even talking about and it turns out that their politics were the politics of happy rich girls actually just to be totally blunt about it and unhappy rich girls make up a very small percentage of the American population so everyone else voted for Trump so okay um now we can have a discussion about adult issues and I’m really gratified uh I don’t think again that’s ideological it’s not even right versus left Republican versus Democrat it’s like adults versus people who put signs on their front Lawns telling you they believe in science well people like that don’t know what science is do you know what I mean their view of science is shut up don’t ask ask questions really I don’t think that’s science actually I think that’s kind of the opposite of science whatever those people lost the people who live in Brooklyn and Bethesda all the screechy people I deal with in airports they lost and um I’m really glad you can’t know what your government is doing who owns this government the federal bureaucrat who can’t be fired no I don’t think so we do so if you wind up in a country with over a billion classified Federal documents you living in an extremely corrupt country EX extremely corrupt and everyone around the world knows that about the United States we don’t know it we don’t think we live in a corrupt country we do and we could fix it super easily and that’s just let’s let’s declassify every 911 document should be Declassified oh shut up conspiracy theorist no if you want to create conspiracy theories pull down a curtain of secrecy over what actually happened why are you afraid to tell me the whole story so uh well let’s just start with what in the heck has the last three days of your life been life wild yeah yeah didn’t expect that yeah I spent uh almost 35 years being paid to make predictions about elections I don’t think I ever got a single one oh bless you sorry I left the sacred beverage backstage um yeah I’m I would not have predicted that at all that Donald Trump would not only win uh but win decisively with a mandate the majority of the popular vote um the first Republican to do that other than the post 911 uh election in 40 years so I I’m still trying to figure out exactly what it meant but I mean big picture it means that uh the current way of doing things has been decisively rejected most notably by young people mhm when was the last election where Republicans won young people yeah I mean really you you know you always think of like you know your blue-haired daughter lecturing you about no your blue-haired daughter voted for Trump which is kind of wild um she shouldn’t have blue hair but whatever she voted for Trump uh he won half of Hispanics the overwhelming majority of Hispanic men like all that the guy that they’ve been telling us is a racist for the last 9 years like if you knew one thing about Donald Trump from 2015 until Tuesday it was that he was a racist because they never stopped telling you that and his numbers with black voters went up his numbers with Hispanic voters just crushed it never see anything like that and so whatever else he is he’s like not a racist obviously um so I do think it’s time for his opponents to recalibrate I don’t think any of this is actually about race or sex I think most people are kind of tired of that I think those were called AXS in the first place I think they were in fact in some sense scops meant to distract us from what actually matters which is like economics and War um the things that that matter that uh changed the course of history and I think on both of those questions the current Administration you know is like Reckless to the point of craziness we’re on the brink of nuclear war why you know is take a poll of Americans how many Americans think it’s worth risking nuclear war to teach Putin a lesson I mean the whole thing’s freaking nuts and because of the nature of our media which is just North Korean where no dissenting view is allowed it shouted down immediately um I don’t think people appreciate the current state of the United States relative to the rest of the world which is greatly diminished and imperiled I mean we are really on the brink of catastrophic conflict comma which we will lose um in two different theaters at least so you know the bid Administration did that when was last time you read that in the New York Times or saw it on Morning Joe you haven’t but people sense that things are not moving in the right direction and then domestically um the Biden Administration and then the Comm Harris campaign were both convinced that inflation was not real somehow or that it was just right-wing media complaining about it it was just Fox News making a big story out of it to get their voters to the polls or something but actually the data showed going back to the co checks that it was entirely Real by the way it was predict able um but it was as it was as real as $9 butter I mean just like anyone who went to the grocery store knew that but they could not comprehend it and instead spent this entire you know three and a half four years lecturing the rest of us about trans issues and race and you may have your opinions on those things but they’re hardly Central to like the the functioning of a country like what are you even talking about and it turns out that their politics were the politics of unhappy rich girls actually just to be totally blunt about it and unhappy rich girls make up a very small percentage of the American population so everyone else voted for Trump so okay um now we can have a discussion about adult issues MH and I’m really gratified uh I don’t think again that’s ideological it’s not even right versus left Republican versus Democrat it’s like adults versus people who put signs on their front Lawns telling you they believe in science well people like that don’t know what science is do you know what I mean their view of science is shut up don’t ask questions really I don’t think that’s science actually I think that’s kind of the opposite of science whatever those people lost the people who live in line and Bethesda all the screechy people I deal with in airports they lost and um I’m really glad sorry no no it’s great yeah I I love it so if you could advise America’s leaders on restoring the country what would you suggest focusing on politically uh or spiritual changes well both those things I mean first of all deemphasize the race stuff that’s just total poison nobody talks about like in in your in your life you know are you when no one’s around and you’re just with your spouse or your college roommate or your brother or your closest friends are you like mad about race probably not most people don’t don’t spend their lives thinking about race or other people’s sex lives for that matter they just don’t and if our leaders encourage us to have yet another fake conversation about race which is really just one person yelling at another person that person having to take it like that does nothing but divide the country and makes people hate each other which is of course their goal so stop with that if you engender racial conflict in a population it very hard to make that go away most Americans do not want that at all they don’t see race first it’s just a fact these are all facts this is not a racist country it’s a really nice country it’s a country where people give directions to strangers and like takeing stray dogs it’s just people aren’t racist actually and so stop with that stuff restore the colorblind meritocracy that we were promised that is the basis of America Innovation comes when the most energetic smartest people allowed to do their thing when entrepreneurs are allowed to be entrepreneurial and artists are allowed to create art and writers are allowed to write literature and elon’s allowed to build rockets and it doesn’t matter sort of what color they are what gender they are it just matters that they have the energy and the drive and the intelligence and the the ability to organized sufficient to get that done that’s just true and so um you know dismantle the state the kind of I hate to say it but the they’re always calling Trump a Nazi really is he the one who said every person in America America has to like identify by Race by bloodline that’s sick like we rejected that actually in 1945 and we should reject it again um and unleash the best within each one of us I mean you build this Monument to Martin Luther King on the mall okay let’s follow its precepts let’s judge each other by the content of our character by what we do rather than how we were born like that is that is the promise of America and that you know we spend all this time taking care of gearing our education system to the people who learn the slowest maybe we should spend a little bit of time helping the people who learn the quickest it can’t just be making every school Dumber what about like the smart kids who want to learn who want to create like they should be allowed to do that too just back off and let people do their thing and you will create an incredibly beautiful country and stop encouraging them to hate each other so that’s I mean those are kind of vibe shifts these are not specific policies um those are the first two things I would do second restore order to the world we again I cannot overstate as someone who travels a lot internationally how close to nuclear conflict the United States has been for the past three years almost three years come February like like on the precipice of it and because our media don’t report this I think most Americans don’t really have a sense of it um but we are truly on the end on the edge of like ending human life uh globally it’s crazy nothing like this nothing this crazy has ever happened probably ever in history and so the role of the United States if the United States is going to be a global leader not its policeman but a leader a Force for good it has to become what it once was which is a force for order and stability not endless Revolution which is what we have had well let’s knock off the leader of that country and hope for the best well that didn’t work you know we killed Gaddafi we killed Saddam those countries became worse than they were before there are open slave markets in triple Libya we just ignore that the same people who did that just move on let’s let’s bump off Bashar Al Assad in Syria let’s kill Putin and hope for the stop stop no more revolutions this is what the Soviet Union used to do run around the world trying to F revolutions overthrow one government and hope that a better government would take its place that’s not how life Works actually it takes an awful long time to create something worth having progress is incremental destruction is instant I can smash a PL window in a second try to make one you know how PL glass window was made it’s complicated right and that’s true for countries too so restore order the United States should be a force for order no we’re not going to blow up your natural gas pipeline which we did to Germany destroyed the German economy destroyed the German economy I don’t know how many of you travel to Europe Europe is is Germany the European economy is Germany and that economy has been crushed by what we did stop doing things like that okay reorient away from permanent revolution and the lunatics are now running the state department beginning with the chief lunatic who’s also stupid Tony blinkin all the way down the chain just reorient the whole thing no our job is to be paternal when if you’re a father you come home your kids are fighting if your first instinct is to tell them to keep fighting hit them harder you’re a monster you’re you’re a moral criminal you’re a bad dad no your instinct is consistent with your duty which is tell them to knock it off and make up make things better and so you know there are reports and look Trump is always and and he does a lot I think to feed this um perception you know he’s often criticized as you know Reckless or seat of the pants or whatever but in in fact the opposite is true I think um it is being reported like in the last five minutes that one of the first things Trump did after winning was to speak to both zalinski and Putin and to make it really clear that the net effect of this war in Ukraine has only been the total Destruction of the nation of Ukraine hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men killed eastern Ukraine destroyed I mean really the just the elimination of a country the biggest country in Europe and that sort of no one wins like there’s been no upside to this at all it’s been eff a genocide against the ukrainians and we’re going to stop it now we’re going to stop it and he spoke to both of them that’s what a United States President should do and this lunatic who’s been running our country for the past four years like hasn’t hasn’t spoken to Putin once because he’s immoral really okay immoral find a world leader who’s not immoral what do leaders do well a lot of them kill people in fact I’d say about 100% of them do if they have enough power they kill people who are in their way that’s what they do sorry I’m against that that’s why I’m not a leader but that the nature of Global Leadership so it’s not a question of you know Finding like a good person in charge of a large country you’re not going to there aren’t any but you can find better people and you can arrive critically at better outcomes and the better outcome is no more war and Trump did that instantaneously and I think it’s going to work that’s worth voting for him alone if you voted for Trump and you know there are people in your life who are like I can’t believe you voted for that guy he’s a rapist okay first of all who do you rape exactly lots of people really what their names and why hasn’t even been charge shut up um actually what are you even talking about stop with that don’t accuse someone of rape like what stop stop talking like that running around accusing people of things of crimes of felonies without any evidence like what’s your name they can’t answer it’s the whole thing’s nuts stop lecturing me adults people who run countries the first thing they do is try and stop pointless Wars they don’t ferment pointless Wars they end them and Trump just did that so if you voted for Trump on that basis alone you should be proud of what you did in my opinion so you have uh you’ve interviewed so many people I mean recently Elon Musk I mean you interviewed Putin earlier in the year uh Putin what was that experience like it was great it was super interesting and I should just say that when I interview somebody obviously I’m endorsing everything that person’s ever done um you know you really it does really go back to the American Media where I’ve spent my entire life I’m the son of a journalist uh I grew up around it so that makes it 55 years I’ve been around this and um the its current state is just is almost Beyond description in how low and poisonous and dishonest it is I’m just ashamed to be a part of it um no I mean of course you would want to interview you know your default if your job is to interview people is to interview the most powerful people in the world the most significant people in the world and the point of those interviews is to ask them obvious questions and then let the public in your country in my case it’s the United States decide what they think that’s my job and so the idea that you wouldn’t interview somebody because the state department doesn’t like him or the scile guy in charge of the country has declared war on him without a congressional resolution that the government doesn’t want you to interview I don’t care what the government wants I’m an American citizen I can talk to anybody I want to and moreover I can have any opinion I want to that’s my Birthright and that’s why I don’t live in Sri Lanka okay or North Korea or any other country I’m American okay that’s what it is to be American so um I’m not being defensive I actually don’t care that the New York Times called me a Putin lover what I don’t you know anyone who believes New York Times is like okay good luck um but it’s just a little bit bewildering that nobody else wanted to interview Putin because what the CIA tells you you’re not supposed to want to if the CIA tells me I’m not supposed to want to do something and they certainly made that very clear to to me that makes me want to do it more I mean that’s that’s my job and if you find yourself like on the set of Morning Joe taking orders from the Intel agencies then maybe you should just go work for the Intel agencies maybe you should admit that to your viewers well you know today’s program is brought to you by the NSA because effectively it is and the Intel agencies have a much greater role in American news coverage than most news consumers understand I would say virtually any news consumers understand um and I’ve seen it you know for over 30 years so I’m very familiar with it but it’s it’s absolutely crazy that no one has stopped it and I’m praying it’s very hard to stop it by the way um I’m praying that Donald Trump will I mean it’s on a long to-do list but I would say near the top you have to if you want to restore democracy which we don’t currently really have I the lefties are right about that they don’t want it I do want it I actually like democracy because I think it’s my country I was born here I’m an owner of this system um I’m not a renter or a surf but if you want to restore it you have to prevent the government from using your tax dollars to lie to you because if you have that system which we currently have trust me I can speak with authority on this then you don’t have a democracy because you don’t even know what reality is in other words the people in charge are deciding what you can know about what they’re doing well that’s a rigged system by its nature how is that not a rigged system how is that democracy it’s not it’s an oligarchy of the worst kind and I just don’t think people in this country understand the degree to which the information that they received over their over their Google machines or from NBC news or from the you know last of the dying newspapers they don’t understand just how filtered that information is like you have no idea what’s going on in the rest of the world if you’re only getting your news in this country you have no idea what the candidates are really like it’s really crazy we have an ongoing debate in my office cuz we travel a lot does the average North Korean peasant have a better idea of what’s happening in the world than the average person in a suburb of Boston maybe it’s actually open to debate like that’s that’s how filtered it is and so the first step toward fixing it is admitting that you have the problem let’s stop pretending you know if you can’t even go interview Putin who’s engaged in a war in the middle of Europe if you’re discouraged from doing that and the US Government tried to stop me from doing that by breaking into my signal account and leaking it to the New York Times They got caught they admitted it if that’s allowed no one was ever fired for it no other the New York Times didn’t rise to my defense hey you can’t use an Intel agency to prevent a journalist from doing his job no it’s totally fine man it’s a really really rotten system and it’s the basis of all we know how do you know what’s happening in the world how do you know what reality is well well because you see it on your phone so you have to have honest sources of information or at least a diversity of sources of information you don’t have to trust any One Source but you got to have a choice it can’t all just be you know mik binski telling you what happened yesterday CU not good well so you’ve been in oh man media and TV for I mean your since August of 1991 wow what advice would you have on where what to where to get what to listen to where to get diverse or ACC urate um non-propagation it’s pretty hard I mean i’ I’ve I’ve gone so crazy and obviously I wouldn’t recommend this to other people but I don’t read any news at all ever period I don’t read any of it I was in it too long I know how poisoned it is it’s like watching a you know sometimes you meet nurses who are the most honest people in hospitals in my experience and um they’ll they’ll tell you like oh man don’t get any you know cardiac Cather at that hospital they’ll you you should probably believe the nurse like she works there um and that’s how I feel about media like I know how it works and so I don’t read any of it I get all my information from people via text message I travel a ton um to see things firsthand because there’s no replacing that but the advice that I would I give my own children um on this question is go with your gut like I actually think we have a much more accurate sort of intern interal measuring system for truth than we understand like you know when someone’s lying to you you’re born with that ability to discern truth from lie now it’s it’s it’s uniring but it’s imprecise in other words if I feel someone’s lying to me he is that person’s lying like my dogs know if you show up at my house and you’re creepy my dogs have no idea what you’re saying they don’t need to know they know you’re creepy and they’ll snarl at you and then I know you’re creepy cuz my dogs have already vetted you all of no and I mean it and you’re not welcome for dinner at that point I don’t know what you did but it’s gross um all no yeah I’m not joking at all yeah sorry I’m sorry you failed the spaniel test I’ll see you good luck freak um all of us have the very same ability our instincts are our most honest guide because your instincts are designed only to help you they’re not trying to sell you anything they’re not trying to get elected to anything they’re not trying to Dam you they’re not selling you a time share anywhere um they’re merely trying to protect you and inform you and so much of the information that we take in sort of bypasses the five senses that science tell us are the sum total of our intelligence gathering apparatuses I mean that’s like a total Croc intuition is not technically a sense because science is like a joke actually it doesn’t fully describe the Human Experience or even close to it um it’s absurd it lacks imagination uh it’s a it’s a scam I would say um obviously but we have been trained to believe that our senses are somehow less valid than things that we read on Wikipedia which is totally controlled by the CIA and the truth is the opposite is right if you’re listening to someone speak and that person seems deceptive do not believe that person period Tim Walls comes out who ran with Comm Harris I don’t remember Tim Walls and I saw Tim Walls and I’m like I don’t you know I’m not going to indict him for I was like that guy’s a creep just flat out I’m sorry he is and I’m not I’m not calling the you know us attorney trying to get him indicted or anything because I don’t have evidence but I just knew instantly that guy’s lying to me and I think we all sort of know that you know you can just tell and so like when they when the media came out and said you know the nordstream pipeline got blown up the biggest natural gas pipeline in the world which fed the economy of Germany of Europe of the EU our NATO Ally and it got blown up and they’re like yeah Putin did it Putin did it really he blew up his own natural gas pipeline why did he do that well because he’s evil so you’re telling me that Putin is so evil that he attacked himself cuz he just couldn’t he couldn’t help himself like he ran out of people to stab so he just started stabbing himself in the face is that what you’re telling me that’s just the nature of evil yeah that’s what we’re telling you shut up you’re lying like I knew instantly that they were lying instantly they were lying and I and by the way I had the privilege of saying so it was not welcomed by my bosses I I got fired in the end but um but I said that’s a lie you’re lying oh how do you know we’re liying well cuz it doesn’t make any sense and also your lips are moving and you’re a liar and I know that you are so shut up oh you shut up but you Putin stude okay thanks son you’re still lying and that turned out to be a really good guide and then of course we learn later we blew up the northstream pipeline obviously and now we’re blaming on the ukrainians whever it’s not even an interesting conversation but Putin did not blow up the stre pipeline we now admit that it was a lie it was very clearly a lie and where in my old job someone said to me well how did you know that did you have inside Intel like no sitting in my living room in Maine you know looking on my on my iPhone I’m like that’s just BS and I felt totally empow I think what made me different from others was I felt totally empowered to say so I don’t feel any obligation to go along with that like why would I don’t be intimidated I guess that’s kind of what I’m saying don’t be intimidated somebody does make sense say well hold on pal you know I don’t get what you know what is that down like so you become a woman by saying so like what are the mechanics of that does it change your DNA shut up trans phob no no no okay great but how does that work speak slowly so I can understand or whatever it doesn’t even matter what the claim is if it doesn’t make sense to you and the person telling you can’t explain it then they’re lying about it or they don’t understand it themselves which is the same thing just don’t accept that and if by the way if the whole society refuses to accept that if the whole society refuses to lie it’s like just make the decision you’re not going to intimidate me into lying and in my case if like I’m an adult middle-aged man I pay my taxes I’ve got four kids why would I go along with your no I’m not period under no circumstances and I don’t want to fight about it but I’m not going to go along with it oh the vax is safe and effective okay well I’m not taking it how’s that why don’t you make me and you know how about no and if you’re a father like you’re in the how about no business that’s your job I’ve done a lot of how about Nos and but no one’s offended you’re just like how about no no we’re not doing that no we’re not getting a some weird dog cross with a poodle I don’t think so what everyone’s get his hyp no no how about no okay it like works pretty well and no one need to take it I’m sorry not to attack the the poodle mixes or but I I just don’t want one you know and um we’ve had that conversation quite a bit in my house no okay and I think you can kind of cheerfully say no to a lot of the demands made on you and they’ll get all hysterical and call you names and he like no no and I think if enough people do that maybe like I don’t know 200 million of them all of a sudden it just stops people are like okay guess we won’t get the Shih Tzu poodle mix you know you know what I mean damn maybe next time yeah okay on to the next thing so I do hope that the next time there is this very familiar cycle where some story will happen you know some guy tries to pass a fake 20 in a convenience store in Minneapolis and then dies of a drug OD outside and all of a sudden they take that story and tell you that actually it’s your fault that he died and we need to completely change the country that your ancestors built and everyone kind of goes along with it and all the preachers on TV and Nikki Haley and all the people you’re supposed to sort of respect like yeah we need a revolution cuz George Floyd died I think at this point or you know this some virus comes out of China very clearly came from a lab that we funded and really early we learned that the death rate’s like one tiny fraction of what they claim it is and on the basis of that they’re going to give us some drug by force that hasn’t been tested and by the way you can’t sue because the Congress granted the company that makes the drug total immunity from lawsuits I think more people would be like no how about no like go ahead and take that if you want like whatever that’s your thing you want to go inject yourself with some weird crap that’s fine but I’m not doing that and I’m just not under any circumstances doing that and you I read the autopsy report and George Floyd like 100,000 other Americans this year died of a fental OD and I feel super bad for George Floyd I’m not you know defending his death I feel sad about his death just as I do about the other 100,000 who died from but don’t tell me that systemic racism killed George Floyd because because it didn’t I’m just not going to accept any more of your lies I don’t care what you call me I don’t care how much much you threaten me I’m not afraid of you at all because I have no reason to be afraid of you cuz you’re a freaking loser who’s never built anything in your life so how dare you lecture me I’m an adult man back off that’s a really good posture a super help it’s a non-belligerent posture you you don’t need to get your AR-15 though you should have one but you don’t need to like wave it around and be like for my cold dead hands no maybe it’ll get to that but you don’t right now need to do that at all just like sort of cheerful no no fental l day not taking the V you know sorry that works can so can I ask you about so nurses and people in situations where they were put under pressure or propagandized so much that they had no choice or they would lose their job and single mothers and uh what what do you think’s going to happen with these people what do you hope to see happen the ones that I’d love to really have you explain how propaganda Works CU there’s a well what’s going to happen is and I have a relative involved in one of these suits who was a commercial airline pilot um he just texted me on the flight out here that there was apparently a resolution jury in Michigan just awarded a woman fired for not taking the vax millions of dollars and I hope that that is a nationwide Trend where everyone whose life was destroyed in that fit of lies and hysteria is made whole I really hope so and I do hope that Congress can immediately strip the blanket immunity from the vaccine makers I don’t understand that I I’ve sold products my whole life I mean imagine you have a product you convince politicians to force the population to buy your product anyone who complains gets fired and you can’t be sued I’m sorry and I’m not attacking vaccines by the way I’m sure there are fine vaccines I I don’t know I’m not taking any of them but it’s okay if other people do I’m not mad about people taking vaccines I’m not mad about vaccines but that’s a scam and anyone who says it’s not a scam can just explain to me how it’s not a scam how is that not a scam you’re not allowed to sue you can sue anybody for anything in this country anything that’s why you don’t have playgrounds anymore cuz people made slot remember marryg go rounds remember those is anyone old enough to remember a marry they don’t exist they were awesome i’ like 10 friends who have fewer teeth than they were born with because of marry go rounds but they have stronger Spirits cuz they were great they don’t exist anymore cuz the trial bar decided we’re going to get rich suing marry ground gound makers and people who are nice enough to build playgrounds so like so many good things in American Life have been eliminated by the greed of The Trial Bar you know good by the way next time you’re in the Caribbean go down to the yacht Basin wherever you are it doesn’t matter what island you are and look at the biggest boats and just ask like the the boat guys and the you know the matching polo shirts with the yacht names on I’m like what does the owner of this boat do for a living and and just keep a list of how many of them are trial lawyers like a lot you know it was the tobacco settlement or aestus or whatever it was talc compowder whatever case they were and I’m not attacking all lawyers though I I I want to cuz I do hate them with a passion but even if I liked lawyers I would say how is it that there’s this one category that’s exempt from the risk that all the rest of us who are involved in any kind of business face every single I have liability insurance on my house in case the UPS guy slips delivering a package from Amazon but somehow Albert Bula and all the other creepy creepy billionaires who run these disgusting Pharma companies are in no danger being sued because their corrupt Pals in Congress in 1986 gave them blanket immunity like let’s tear that down immediately oh well we can’t compete well why don’t you just make a safer vaccine then how’s that sound why don’t you face the same risk that every other person who conducts any other kind of Commerce or lives in this country faces every single day oh we can’t oh shut up go away and so that’s the first thing I don’t even know how I got off in that but I’m so mad about it it’s so crazy and that no one can say anything about it and it’s like oh you’re against science I’m not against science all I wish we practiced it in this country I do I actually believe in science and if by the way if you believe in science let’s see the numbers let’s see the numbers right now you know what I mean social security has the numbers we know a lot about who was injured who took it who didn’t about the trials that are all sealed like I’ll just say this and I’ll stop if you want to restore honesty to government if you want to get rid of corruption there’s a very simple way to do that and it’s with transparency it’s allowing people to know what their government is doing with their money in their name and if you can’t know if somehow you’re being prevented from knowing then you can be absolutely certain that crimes are being committed because why else would they be hiding it from you why is it that 62 years later after the president of the United States was murdered we can’t see all the files on that all the documents that why is it that 23 years after 911 files are still classified why is that I had a friend die in 911 like probably a lot of people in this room I was there totally changed my life why can’t I know what exactly happened like why don’t you answer that question it’s our government no federal bureaucrat has the right to tell you that you can’t know what your government is doing who owns this government the federal bureaucrat who can’t be fired no I don’t think so we do so if you wind up in a country with over a billion classified Federal documents you living in an extremely corrupt country extremely corrupt and everyone around the world knows that about the United States we don’t know it we don’t think we live in a corrupt country we do and we could fix it super easily and that’s just let’s let’s declassify every 911 document should be Declassified oh shut up conspiracy theorist no if you want to create conspiracy theories pull down a curtain of secrecy over what actually happened why are you afraid to tell me the whole story why are you afraid to tell me the truth we can resolve this right away just let me see the evidence I have a right I have a moral right to it they have no moral right to keep it from us so if I have one hope secretly for this Administration it’s massive declassification and let’s find out what they’ve been doing what happened to all the hundred billion do we sent to Ukraine there’s been no audit oh they don’t want to declassify that why oh because it’s a scam that’s why and that’s why I’m just so grateful that Robert F Kennedy Jr who I believe spoke to you earlier will be a part of this Administration and I think he will be I think he’ll be a cabinet secretary and I hope that his presence reminds all of us the cost of secrecy two members of his family were murdered we still can’t see the documents there why is that and why don’t we have full transparency on anything related to Public Health what’s the actual answer and the answer is they’re lying and they shouldn’t be allowed to lie so I hope that changes so what about um a couple things one uh Jeffrey Epstein um files um P Diddy what do you think is going to happen with all that now um well I’ll just I mean I should just say at the outset you know I lived in DC I got to DC my dad worked for the federal government by the way in a highly classified capacity so like I didn’t and I lived you know basically I got there in high school and I left when I was 50 so I Mar you know I came up in the system I marinated in it it I didn’t know that there was anything wrong with it I would have been the last person ever to question the Kennedy assassination or Jeffrey Epstein’s clear clearly a suicide like I just had no idea because it’s like having an alcoholic spouse and then you get divorced everyone’s like wow you know your husband was a drunk and you’re like I had no idea like the closer you are to something the harder it is to see its outlines and so when Epstein was when he died you know I I knew a lot of people who knew Jeffrey upate like a lot um I never met Jeffrey upstein thank God but I certainly knew a lot of people who knew him and like a lot like more than 10 and so Jeffrey Epstein was not considered like some far out Sinister figure in the world that I lived in I I’m just being totally honest about this he was like this kind of interesting guy who had you know had this kind of rotating salon at his house OFF Fifth Avenue in New York and there was always the Israeli Prime Minister and former presidents and like just interesting people you know and um I did not understand what that was about at all and so when he died I was like oh poor guy killed himself in prison and then I got a call from his brother just randomly um and his brother said you know he was he did not commit suicide and that I was really shocked by that and I thought maybe his brother’s crazy so this set off a a multi-year journey for me that really changed my views about a lot of different things and the bottom line is Jeffrey Aben was murdered and not only murdered but he was murdered in the most secure Federal Lockup in mid Manhattan in the country okay not just in federal lockup but in the most secure part of federal lockup so how did that happen well he was clearly murdered by another inmate you can’t get any answers to who the other eight inmates on his block were there was no investigation into his death they’ve never released it and the Attorney General at the time attorney general bar clearly knew that this happened and um and I’ve said that in public and he’s attacked me for saying that but it’s just just a fact he lied about it and so what is that what is that think about that for a minute and um and I don’t know the I mean there’s a lot I don’t know I don’t pretend to I don’t pretend to understand really anything I don’t understand anything but I know lying when I see it and they’re lying about Jeffrey Epstein and if they’re not where’s the investigation and there hasn’t been one and so that’s pretty heavy duty where are the tapes where are the Epstein tapes you know it was so funny they they released a tape a guy I know actually released to tape um of Jeffrey Epstein talking about Donald Trump and saying we were friends once and I don’t like Trump and okay this was like the October surprise was to derail Trump and everyone’s like how can you do that and I thought I’m so glad they’re doing that so let’s talk about Jeffrey Epstein like where where are the videotapes from his home in New Mexico from his Caribbean Island from his place on Fifth Avenue there all these videotapes now you know in federal hands why can’t we see those and we can’t see them of course because there like a massive blackmail operation run by various Intel agencies designed to put famous people under the control of governments I of course that’s that that’s what it was obviously and everyone knows that but no one can say anything about it and as a friend of mine said we were talking about this one night and he goes you know I’m kind of if you think about it like if you’re able to kill somebody in the secure Block in federal Lockup in Manhattan and get away with it probably not someone you want to dick around with like that’s a powerful force and that’s a fair point but it’s still worth saying out loud because it’s worth living in a transparent honest country Tre it’s bad to have rot like that it’s bad to have crimes like that con committed in front of our faces we can’t do anything about it it makes everyone feel impotent it makes everyone paranoid it makes everyone feel like nothing’s on the level we we be we wind up with a society where No One Believes anything and I feel like that’s where we are the number of people I know who are like wow I become a really deranged conspiracy theorist who doesn’t believe in the moonlanding I must know 100 people who said that to me in the last two years this is and trust me if you don’t feel that way you’re just not admitting it cuz you do feel that way if you’re paying attention and that’s a bad way to feel I don’t I don’t think I don’t you don’t want a country like that you want a country where things are pretty much what they seem to be where people are honest that are straightforward when they make a terrible mistake they admit it you want a country that is like the family that you have or want to have where people are just direct with each other and kind to each other and not everything is some crazy multi-layer deception designed to you know Screw you or kill Jeffrey Epstein like that’s so dark let’s not have that anymore so thank you that was uh last followup on that is uh celebrities don’t appear to be as influential for presidential elections as I think they thought they were well I think the whole point of the Diddy parties was to get people to endorse comma um no there’s a lot of there is a lot this is something that I never perceived at all when I lived in Washington I thought was like a dumb conspiracy theory even though I worked in the kind of crypto entertainment business I know a lot of lot of people in the entertainment business of course cuz I worked in television um and I know a lot of people with the Intel agencies and in politics cuz that’s what I did uh and you would hear people once in a while say Well they’re all controlled you know there are files on that person and I was like oh you sound like a freaking wacka what are you going to say like fluoride in the water is bad turns out fluoride in the water is bad it’s crazy anyway um but that’s that’s actually true it’s true and I I’m not guessing that it’s true I know some of the people involved like if you’re on the if you’re on the house you know Intel committee the over the committee in the Congress that oversees the Intel agencies okay it’s your job to make sure the CIA is not doing anything crazy like interfering in American politics or murdering the wrong people or you know getting rich it’s not allowed to get rich if you’re a federal employee okay um and if it’s your job to make sure that like the ca is not colluding with the the Mexican drug cartels which they are but um you are almost certainly controlled by those agencies like they’re spying on you then I’m not guessing on that I mean because I know one of the people who ran that agency was being spied on he told me he was being spied on and some of it’s come out like that’s not acceptable at all and I think it’s very clear that the same thing happens um to cultural influencers and why wouldn’t it right if there are a lot of people um in the entertainment business but in the cultural business more broadly certainly in the news business who are controlled by other forces like obviously how many of them look independent how many of them look kind of Shifty and Afraid you look at Jimmy Kimmel and like I don’t know what’s going on there but like that guy clearly is nervous super nervous and I don’t know why he’s nervous but every time I see Jimmy Kimmel who I used to kind of like Jimmy Kimmel I’m like wow man he’s worried about something um and a l i feel that way about a lot of them and so you know I don’t know that we’ll ever get all the details on Diddy I don’t know Diddy never met Diddy kind of glad never been to one of his famous parties um but I know a lot of people have and you know I don’t know exactly what that was about but I know it is not uncommon at all and I at least one Entertainer I know personally was controlled um that whole thing is real that’s absolutely real why wouldn’t it be real why wouldn’t it be real to lean on somebody to reinforce um a narrative for the purpose of maintaining power I mean a Lots at stake you know running the world it’s a lot of power a lot of money don’t delude yourself like people will will go to extreme lengths why wouldn’t they I mean people risk life in prison to rob a liquor store for 800 bucks so you know that there’s some context for you so so this guy sitting here with uh see Babs in the orange and Dan in blue that’s Dan and Babs they run an organization called strategic coach very high level coaching group and he has this uh what he calls a Doss conversation and it’s uh dangers opportunities and strengths and you’re you’re consuming nicotine right now what the hell is going on yes I am okay uh this is part of the make America healthy plan um it is actually now I’ve already said so many crackpot things that I I don’t want to totally discredit myself but I think there’re um yeah if you you know take the uh tobacco and the tar and separate it from the nicotine you know um it’s something I don’t think I’m allowed to make medical claims about nicotine I think we have a whole agency designed to um prevent people from saying what they think is true uh but uh it’s a choice that I’m happy to make yeah for sure we we’ll come back to that maybe so um dangers opportunities and strengths so what do you think is the biggest uh danger or dangers uh that we’re facing right now as a country the biggest opportunity and and the greatest strengths that we have the biggest dangers were with Iran I’m just telling you that’s the biggest danger there are a lot of people who want it um there’s a lot of money uh that’s been applied to the political system to make sure we get it it’s a disaster for America it’s not a defense of Iran by the way every time I say it’s like you’re working for Putin well I’m not working for the Shiite mulles just okay I’m an Episcopalian so um it’s it’s not that I have any affection for Iran as you know war with Iran would would would devastate this country um and there’s a real danger that we’re going to get one I’m just saying that that’s a fact you’ll see um that’s that’s the main danger there obviously going to be there’s going to be some economic turmoil I would have said you know a week ago that one of the great dangers is disunity in the country um but I feel like these election results were really unifying yeah so I’m I’m so thankful of about that I mean it’s just if you look at them it’s just kind of crazy I mean you had musim in Southeastern Michigan voting overwhelmingly for Trump you had Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn voting overwhelmingly for Trump like what it’s pretty cool you had you know almost entirely white right-wing North Georgia voting for Trump you had a lot of black guys in downtown Atlanta voting for Trump the had the Amish voting for Trump you had South you know Central Florida Big Sugar plantations you the guys who own the ranch you the guys working cutting cane all voting for for Trump so it’s like there’s something and this by the way this is not just true of trump but it’s like whenever you have an election where the majority votes for something you have by definition a measure of unity that you didn’t have before that’s what a mandate is is most people want this and that’s just a great thing you know it means that that our you know our common goals are stronger and more important than our differences and it’s just so nice to be reminded of that so that’s our main strength and going into an economic downturn or whatever is going to it’s clearly going to happen um you want a unified country you don’t want a country at war with itself getting poorer all of a sudden I we avoided Revolution during the Great Depression and um you know which is not a a foregone conclusion by the way at the time there are some really radical movements in the United States but the country held together in a really impressive what amazing way actually from 1939 to 1941 and I’ve been worried about that for a long time now I’m not as worried about it so that’s I would say our strength and our opportunity is is you know America has a lot of problems those problems have been exacerbated Gravely over the last four years the immigration scheme that the Biden Administration instituted opening the borders letting 15 million strangers come here totally insane um that’s bad the US dollar is in a much weaker position thanks to the like derang sanctions on Russia starting in February of 20122 kicking Russia out of Swift hurt the US dollar more than really anything that’s happened since the end of the second world war but the opportunity is compared to what compared to what I mean the US dollar well weakened clearly other countries are hoping to diversify their currencies doesn’t help them to have the US dollar be the reserve currency but there’s no good option right now America has a lot of problems but compared to what Europe seriously Canada Australia I mean we are still in the best shape of any country that I visit regularly um and that’s a massive advantage and like don’t forget that if you can somehow convince Americans that their country is pretty awesome once again again it’s an attitudinal question when people feel self-confident I mean this is true in your marriage it’s true in your job it’s true in every sphere of your life when you feel good about what you’re doing when you feel like if you’re doing the right thing you’re doing something you can be proud of you’re way more effective and when you feel rattled and shaken and self-loathing and you know like how many productive hung over Sunday mornings have you had like zero cuz you hate yourself because you did something embarrassing the night before but when you wake up Monday morning clear-headed ready to go and go for a run and bang it out you know what I mean if you have that attitude you’re going to kill it and um so I do think a lot of America’s potential is totally real it remains untapped our energy reserves I mean are just crazy compared to the rest of the world’s we just have a lot going for us and um if you can just make Americans feel that we have a lot going for us and that we have nothing to be ashamed of at all stop telling him it’s a systemically racist country shut up stop telling him that you know they’re bad which they’ve told us like endlessly just stop with that we’re not bad we’re great I don’t know it wouldn’t take a lot to make this a great country again I really think that yeah yeah well I’m I’m going to ask you about that but first I want to we’ll do some Q&A with the audience here in a little bit uh your alcoholism you called yourself functional alcoholism uh when you were drinking and partying and whatnot so what did you what did you change what was the what was the light switch that well what I did was I um stopped drinking um which I found super helpful what caused you to stop I mean in my case I was sitting at my desk in my office smoking a camel I’ll never forget it which I also quit unfortunately um little short ones flavored with chocolate delicious delicious cigarettes I know no one’s allowed to admit that but they were amazing and uh but I was sitting at my desk feeling hung over Sunday morning having a cigarette and I just had this voice which I think was from God um saying you you better quit my wife was pregnant with our fourth child and she was 10 days from giving birth and I was and I just had this voice tell me you you’re going to lose everything if you don’t stop drinking M and I believed it you know who knows why I mean I’m just a ordinary person with a slightly above average IQ not super insightful like I have no idea what that was but that happened to me and I followed it and I did it and it completely changed my life and um it’s hard to talk about sobriety without sounding judgy or like one of those borish rehab guys who’s always lecturing you on all the steps or whatever but the truth is one of the main problems in this country is that everyone’s loaded everyone’s on some kind of drug or drunk I mean everyone’s on pills like I just I’m sorry I don’t want to judge anybody else but like everybody is on drugs it’s crazy everyone’s on ssris or that weird the meth they give you but they call it Aderall benzo diazines you know I’m on a flight I think I’ll take some Xanax what it’s insane and I just am totally opposed to that weed the number of fights I’ve gotten into I used to smoke weed every day I mean I was like I know a lot about weed it makes you passive and stupid I’m sorry people get so mad if you say that oh shut up no I’ve smoked more weed than you have it it makes you into a loser are you joking why don’t you just face your life it’s so awesome and I never say this out loud because people really hate you when you do and feel judged I’m in no position to judge anybody I could blow your mind actually if I wanted to I’m not going to but I’m saying like I know a lot about this subject so um I think I have the author to say this it’s like it’s such a thrill to be sober it’s not that hard actually and if you’re not sober you’re never going to achieve the purpose for which you were created that’s just a fact you’re not and it makes you weak it’s the last thing I’ll say it makes you weak the more you party the more you run away the weaker you get the more fearful you become and the more you just face up to stuff and I’m not even talking about drugs and alcohol for men I’m talking about like a grumpy wife like there’s nothing scarier than a pissed off wife like in the world and if you run away from that and just go golfing and like oh she’s crazy you know it doesn’t get better like man up and just just like tell me what’s wrong just like sit through the first three minutes and then you find out what’s wrong and it gets better and you get stronger she respects you for not golfing and for looking right into her eyes and listening to her complaints for a minute it makes you stronger when you run away and when you golf or you get high or it makes you weak and it’s like a process it’s like the more you tell the truth the more sober you are the more you face things that make you afraid the stronger you get it’s like life 101 but nobody feels free to say it um and last thing I’ll say we should just go full saudy on the drug thing I mean it like full freaking saudy one of the benefits of traveling a lot is you go to countries with this don’t put up with it we’re like oh you’re so uncool like you don’t allow me to bring a joint to your country no we just cut your hands off if you do that cuz we’re not try to do that in Japan actually go try to do that in Japan you go to Singapore you live in Singapore they drug test you at the airport if you’re a Singaporean Citizen and if you fail the drug test if you smoke weed you go to rehab for six months they don’t tell anyone where you are you just disappear you go to rehab that’s true fact I just had dinner with two nights ago with someone who’s whose friend showed up at the airport in Singapore flying home got drug tested got sent to rehab for 6 months was engaged his fiance left him and married somebody else wow hilarious you know it’s a pretty big deterrent to getting wasted actually it turns out yeah that’s harsh okay but compared to what watching people die of fental Odes on the sidewalk have you’ve been to our cities recently it’s totally cruel and inhumane and disgusting and beneath us as a nation to allow people to OD on drugs on the sidewalk there’s no kindness in that at all it’s cruel you hate people if you allow that would you allow your children to do that no you chain them to the freaking radiator till they sobered up because you love them when you hate people you let them OD on drugs and we’re letting the whole country do that and encouraging them to do drugs sending crack pipes to crack addicts giving weed to kids are you joking I just lock them up man I mean I mean and I’ll just I’ll be totally b as a former drug user I’m saying that and I really mean it from the bottom of my heart I hope we just get full saudy on those people and including the policy makers who allowed it cuz they’ve killed so many people they deserve to be punished in a very severe way so yeah it’s interesting how’s that for unpopular no no no no it’s like it’s it’s it’s a bring back the War on Drugs but this time we’re not joking yeah well see I think I think the War on Drugs was I I believe uh addiction is a solution to pain so the drugs the alcohol the sex the gambling the workaholism all the Pursuits of the dopamine Pursuit is because of either one you’re you’re just pursuing this this feeling you want or trauma and things like that and I have mixed feelings about like for instance uh there’s 25% of the world’s prisoners are in the United States we’re the highest incarcerating country in the world and uh there’s 2.2 million people incarcerated in the US uh and the majority of people that commit uh crimes uh are under the influence of drugs and alcohol uh and 40% of people incarcerated are committed a violent crime the other 60% have not so a lot of these people are addicts and so it’s you know it’s it’s it’s one of these things where I take a compassionate approach and at the same time um Portugal um I’m curious where they’re at now because like all I can go off of is really from several years ago I don’t know how well it you know they’ve weathered through the pandemic and I haven’t stayed up to date on it but what they did is they legalized drugs but they the money they were spending on enforcement went into treatment and it cut the addiction rate in half almost all violent crimes uh went down but when you just make I don’t know I’ve spent a lot of time in Portugal I don’t I don’t think that’s an accurate representation and I would say I you know I know a number of people more than two who got off heroin in jail um and who looked back on their incarceration as a blessing I mean addiction I mean I think you have experienced with it I certainly do they’re crazy you’re not in your right mind when you’re addicted to something you’re totally crazy you’re like a trapped animal you’ll do anything and oh yeah absolutely people like that you know the our record on drug treatment in the United States is like a joke it’s abysmal it’s just abysmal it’s made a lot of money for the drug treatment centers um everyone’s like treatment well show me a treatment center with like a over 50% success rate over 5 years I’ve never heard of one maybe there is one I’d love to know we should replicate it everywhere the only thing I’ve ever seen that works is AA and that’s because it’s based in like the core truth of life which is you have to admit that you have no power to solve your problems and if you don’t then you’re just lying to yourself um so I think that works but you know whatever opinions differ but let’s just let’s just apply science to it like where’s the treatment center with like an 80% success rate where’s one with an 18% % success rate I just don’t know of any the yeah the only ones that really have really uh great success rates are are long-term you know six months uh a year two years like Vulcan Academy this uh individual they they literally have people uh mostly you know young adults that check in for like two years and they have a incredible thing but they it’s a long time right and then I can’t remember the name of it but in in Italy this is one of Bobby Kennedy’s favorite models of recovery where they have these very longterm put them in nature put them around different environments you know and and and connect them that definitely is good but I guess I would also just say I left something out I’m so mad about the drug thing that I I’m sorry iend endorsed the Sai Saudi drug program though I meant it but I do think we should spend a lot more time on the other side of the question which is endorsing sobriety MH it is so awesome to be cleare eyed and sober as as much as it doesn’t solve all your problems you’re still the the lumpy loser you were when you were drunk but it it it it begins the process of healing your soul and there’s so much joy in sobriety no one ever endorses it oh yeah everyone’s like oh life is better when you’re loaded but that’s just a lie it’s a full-blown lie and no one ever calls them on that and I I hope I mean Trump is sober Bobby’s sober I’ve been to meetings with Bobby and I hope that people now in positions of authority who are on television all the time will just tell their own stories more often and just say you know I’m so glad to be sober it’s so great because it is yeah yeah and I’ll tell you the drugs that that kill people are legal and the drugs that save people’s lives like the eyebow gains and uh certain plant medicines are illegal and so the whole thing is just lopsided and and part of the challenge is you know one of the initiatives we have with genius recovery is we want to save 20,000 lives a year the 100,000 plus people that are dying from opiate addictions and so we’re well how many people die of Z ex ODS I don’t know that’s what I’d like to know that’s a legal product that like every woman in America has in her medicine cabinet every kid has it to college campus or I mean how many if you’ve got kids in college how many of your kids’ friends have to go to treatment to get off benzos how many people die every year from benzos and alcohol many thousands how many people die from withdrawal from benzos a lot and those are legal and psychiatrists prescribe them without thinking through the consequences and there’s no sanction and those psychiatrist should be criminally charged in my opinion that’s crazy the sackers paid a billion dollar fine for sending you know opioids throughout Appalachia but psychiatrists who hand out benzos which are deadly and physically addictive or we’re just like oh no that’s that’s medicine that’s not medicine it’s totally wrong and at some point like we need to call out people on the individual level if you are a psychiatrist who’s handing Aderall to children children and benzos to their moms without any thought to the addiction and suffering and brain damage that results from those drugs then you should lose your medical license at very at at least yeah absolutely no so looking back being a father what is the greatest lesson that has taught you because you have h four daughters I have three daughters and a son Oh I thought you have four daughters sorry no I that’s three is a lot yeah um I will say I think you might yeah they’re like a union you know you have to negotiate with them and um no they’re awesome I mean the biggest lesson of having kids is everything flows from your marriage and when you have a happy marriage you know your children are happy marriage is is the core of a family and I do think people spend way too much time going to their kids sporting events and not enough time with their spouses I think they spend too much time with their kids and not enough with their spouses and if you want to make your children happy have a happy marriage and if you want to have a happy marriage spend time with your spouse don’t golf listen and um so that’s been the main takeaway for me and there is a period and my kids are grown my oldest is 30 but amazingly but um there’s a period in Parenthood that everyone in this room with kids is familiar with where it’s just so chaotic like there’s just so much going on so many demands from the children that you never have time to talk to the person with whom you created the children and you’re really at risk of wrecking your marriage during those years I think I mean really like an actual risk and not just in the obvious sleeping with your assistant though that’s a thing too um but just in a much more Insidious and common way where you just sort of end up hating each other because you never talk and if there’s one thing I me I’m hardly like a marriage counselor I’m just some douchy journalist but just having lived it I would say if there’s one thing I would encourage people with kids to do it’s ignore the kids in favor of the spouse once in a while and go out to dinner like make yourself do that every week if you want your children to be happy and what’s the measure of their happiness well the measure of their happiness is their willingness to like come home is their love for each other you know if you wind up in a situation where your kids really love each other and are close with each other you’ve done a good job as a parent like that’s the clearest measure in my opinion and that’s really the dream of every parent in every parents heart is the hope that what he or she will leave behind is kids who love each other and if you want that love your spouse um because that gives kids the core the stability the anchor the kids want to know that everything’s okay and that tells them that everything’s okay yeah that’s great that’s great so so you seem to you deal with incredibly serious issues I mean you’re quite an influential person you’ve got I think it’s always goes back and forth between you and Joe Rogan who has the biggest podcast or I don’t know if this is like World created the Rogan created that I talked to Rogan today actually amazing guy but I just want to say wonder about Rogan I’ve been in the media as I said my whole life Rogan was like a sitcom actor and a standup comedian and like an MMA fighter okay so he starts this thing called a podcast where he talks for like three hours I’m in television at like a big Network and I’m looking over at this being like that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard you know no one’s going to listen to a three-hour podcast from some MMA fighter I know right and and this guy’s not even in our business like what’s he doing he completely changed not just American Media but American history he created a whole new I mean it would be like this one guy invented the newspaper or television I mean that’s how big what Rogan did was and I just will admit freely that I did not see it coming I did not understand it I didn’t think it would work and the fact that it did Works say something so great and important about Americans which is they really want to learn they’re not learning in school they’re not learning in the rest of the media it’s all shallow and dumb and about race and gender it’s all lying and Rogan’s just like willing to sit there with interesting people and talk for 3 hours that was the most affirming that is the most reassuring thing I’ve ever seen in 35 years in media that that worked yeah and so I’m just I’m thrilled by Rogan I’m proud to be his friend and I’m just I really admire him more than anybody in media by far yeah well and I mean and again you are one of you are one of the most influential people right now in the world in media and over the last year I don’t I don’t think what just happened um um on Tuesday would have happened without Rogan without you without Elon Musk I mean there’s a series of people but they are reaching lots of people and but the reason I bring this up though is that you seem to be super light-hearted about it at the same time I I see you as a very interesting guy in terms of you deal with very serious issues I mean you’re interviewing world leaders you’re calling people out that you disagree with you’re and you’re funny about it you’re just you seem to just really enjoy your life and really you just seem to have a real strong Center in the midst of it well I’m not I mean I don’t think I’m in charge of History I don’t I have a keen understanding of the limits of my foresight and power I don’t think I’m God I believe in God and it’s not me so that’s like the root of my happiness I know that everything we do is basically just dogs barking it will be forgotten you know you do your best but in the end your name will not be remembered your grave will not be visited you are insignificant in the scope of History period and knowing that you will die and knowing that and I keep that ever present in my mind lightens it a little bit it’s not up to you to change the world God’s in control not you and so all you can do is your best knowing that you’ll probably screw it up at least half the time just apologize when you do and keep going but it sort of lightens the burden a little bit I see these people in Washington like I have to change the world and it’s like you will at best make it worse like you’re an idiot actually and and so am I but the difference is I admit it I know I am I know I am and that is such an affirming thing and also the other thing I would say is I have dogs I have a lot of dogs and they sleep on the bed and I hunt with them and I really love them and so does my wife and we sit in bed and we spend at least an hour a day talking about our dogs aren’t they great they’re so great and we have these circular conversations that are the same every single day but despite the fact they’re repeated 365 days a year they are no less enthusiastic and sincere like we really mean it like that dog’s amazing yeah that dog’s amazing we’re not embarrassed about it and it is such a great lesson that the most beautiful and the deepest and the most important things in life take place right in your bedroom on your bed right in your life like don’t imagine that the only things that are important are taking place on your phone or in some Far Away country or in a battlefield or a conference room or at this you know the scale of world economies no it’s a sleeping dog with her tongue out of her mouth is like way more important than anything else that’s going on right now cuz it’s happening in your bedroom and that’s your dog and that’s your wife and there’s like Joy right in front of you and you should experience that joy every single day don’t it’s like your instincts don’t ignore them if you feel something really strongly it’s true if you’re deriving great joy from something totally stupid like watching your dog snore that’s okay don’t anyone tell you otherwise do you know what I mean I see these people these political people are like no I need to make the world safe for Trans kids and that’s it’s like okay great but first like how about being nice to your own kids and pleasing your own wife and like get a dog get some freaking perspective do do you know what I mean yeah yeah sorry no it’s awesome awesome all right I thought your c mean means and Casey means interview was amazing where’s Cy at where’s Cy he’s around here somewhere he’ll be here tonight and I mean there’s a lot of interviews you have done that are just so eye openening people can learn so much and get so much perspective and learn what’s really going on in all kinds of areas Jimmy door which I watched recently was fascinating uh what what interviews have you done this year that you think would be well all the interviews with people I thought I dis would disagree with I mean I lived in Southern California as a child and you know all the organic peanut butter moms in my neighborhood I found incredibly annoying you know what I mean saving the whales and furry armpits and lecturing you about eating white bread and I was like oh stop you know tell me again about how Woodstock was shut up hippie and as I’ve gotten older I realize actually I love those people um they were right about everything and it’s just wild to see see that a lot of them um I just wound up in an alliance with them actually and they were right about all the hell stuff I mean I smoked until I was 45 so and I love pizza so clearly you’re not taking Health advice from me but it doesn’t mean that they’re wrong you know they’re right actually and um so really the most beautiful and rewarding experience for me for the past four or five years is realizing how much I have in common with people I thought I had nothing in common with including Bobby and Callie and Jimmy door and like just Naomi wolf I mean just a list goes on to be surprised in your 50s to learn something new in middle age to realize and cheerfully admit you were wrong and then find out you know all the things you’re wrong about and accept things that are clearly right like I love that I mean maybe some people are embarrassed about I see our whole political class I can’t admit they’re wrong about anything they’re still defending the Iraq War but I think they’re bondage they’re trapped they’re fearful they’re terrified of admitting they’re wrong about anything because then the whole edifice of comes crashing down and just crushes them like the Wicked Witch of the West how much better is it to live in Pure Freedom by admitting the truth about everything then you don’t have to be afraid at all you could just be like I was totally wrong I got fired from my job it’s like who cares you’re just like totally free when you’re honest and so that has just been incredible to me I’ve loved it I love thank you for coming to genius sart you’re awesome thank you when camela Harris was Camala Harris was talking about Equity she either didn’t know what she was talking about which is inexcusable or she knew what she was talking about which was malevolent those are the options it’s like they just mean equality of opportunity it’s like then why do they have a different word they don’t mean equality of opportunity they mean equality of outcome if you’re foolish enough to believe in
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