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so what um it is now a little over 24 hours after Donald Trump won the majority of the popular vote about half the Latino vote um overwhelming majority of the Electoral College um just all all three branches of government amazing yeah both houses of of the Congress and the executive branch what how did that happen I think it happened because it was a rejection of what the modern leftist put on offer which ways was a great favor to the rise of this country you need something to actually provoke a rebellion like the one that we had that’s right I also think that it is a feature of the leader who actually LED this entire movement it was very personal to Donald Trump too and I think that’s one of the things I’ve appreciated is that I wrote this like the morning after the lecture the afternoon after and and and it just felt right to me he’s not actually the thing that that I’ve learned as I’ve got to know him over the last year much better is he’s not an ideologue or a policy wonk and he doesn’t pretend to be one right but he is a badass actually and I think a [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] badass the nation needs a badass as its commander-in-chief right now and democracy kind of works actually in the end like the people really knew what they needed and they showed up in droves to put the right person in office and so I just think it is kind of one of these rare inspiring moments in history where the people knew what they wanted they would not be shaken from their will he would not be shaken from his will and I loved being in Marl Lago that night where it was just kind of interesting where everybody else’s you know myself to included is just like really joyous about what’s happening and I’m sitting next to Donald Trump and he’s sitting there and he’s just Yep this is exactly how it was supposed to be wait till it comes in all right now we’re going to the convention center and this is where I was destined to be and what I was put here to do and I think the people of this country right now want somebody who has that level of self-confidence and conviction to bring that back for the country and so anyway I just think it was kind of a beautiful moment of democracy working and it goes beyond policy it’s just like the Persona of the country is actually what we recovered yeah I mean I’ve spent eight years watching Republicans kiss Donald Trump’s ass in public and I always feel a little nauseous I I love Trump just personally because I know him well but I hate hearing people say it’s all fake it is it’s perform but now I just ever since he got shot I I just I realized I not only do I really like Trump find him amusing and all I really respect Trump and I mean that when I’m saying it I’m not I have no reason to kiss his ass yeah and I mean that and I I felt that I think actually for me that’s been a bit of a journey as well is I didn’t know him as well as you knew him anyway but at at this point in time yeah he’s the right guy to lead the country right exactly right go through phases of taking maybe I’m being too honest but you know taking Trump seriously Trump is eccentric I mean that’s just a fact um and you you know he got elected in 16 um not accidentally there are reasons he got elected but he said to himself many times and it’s true I was there he did not expect to win MH and it was kind of this you know on the road with the Grateful Dead kind of thing you know shambolic you know what I mean uh this did not feel that way at all it felt purposeful it felt like he was living out his Destiny and the nation’s Destiny it felt very heavy did that’s how it felt that night it was just like it’s like like a conviction that this is my destiny this is the nation’s Destiny and America has this great tradition by the way we believe in our own manifest destiny just like we have no reason to believe it we have no you know basically we have no logic behind it it’s just that we know that we’re born to be the greatest nation that sets an example for everybody else of what’s possible for human capacity this is the country that does it and we had no reason to believe that other than the fact that we do and I think that that’s the kind of leader we need right now to bring that back and that’s Donald Trump as a person so in some ways Trump’s story is America’s story Trump’s comeback is now hopefully America’s comeback and I actually actually just think it’s going to play out that way in the next couple of years the national spirit’s going to be back you see in the composition of the electorate by the way a lot of young people that was probably the biggest demographic shift just came in a tital wave of force which I was particularly passionate about seeing this time around too I totally agree and and you know I think it’s just this moment where we’re going through a great kind of spiritual I don’t mean spiritual in the religious sense here I mean the Civic sense but a spiritual Revival of American identity and like that was that was the Pinnacle of what we saw on Tuesday night it it there was a moment I think right around the time he was shot and Elon endorsed him within moments yes which I think is was looking back you know a pivot point the whole thing um but where I think or I myself felt this way like why are we on the defensive people who vote for Donald Trump why are we embarrassed there was this very successful effort to make people feel ashamed for supporting Trump and it worked for I mean eight years anyway and then in one moment it just evaporated and you saw like 22-year-old shro girls that’s right you know with Trump hats and you’re like wait a second no one’s embarrassed about supporting Trump anymore and they’re wearing a trump hat in Midtown Manhattan totally who would do that nobody would have done that three years ago I think I think it’s a beautiful thing for the country I mean it started a little bit with you saw it in the business Elite Community I mean Elon was endorsement was obviously huge but I think this has been percolating for a little while I I I was really probably the thing I was most gratified by after the election is the next morning the number of either calls or messages I got from like real Serious Business Leaders billionaires in different domains or whatever and they didn’t have to do this but a few of them shared with me look I think you were an important part of giving me the permission to support Donald Trump part or give me the permission to at least stand up against whatever left-wing Orthodox in a way that they couldn’t have and and I think a lot of other people played important roles in that as well I mean Elon probably played the biggest role in giving people that permission no but you’re from exactly that world and like just to be super Blunt You’re from you have the the credentials that Mark of that class yeah and which which matter to some people and ter of giving them the well it’s our whole system is based on them right and so um and JD to some extent is like this David Sachs sure um and Elon above all but you’re definitely in that world and you know they made a concerted effort to make certain that people like you would never admit to liking Trump that’s right and and even liking Trump and standing for a rejection of the leftwing Orthodoxy at the last you know four five years that reached to fever pitch and Peak so I had to step down from my job you when I first met after I stepped down from my job as a biotech CEO and you know I wrote my first book for me that was actually kind of cathartic and then I just wanted to other people to be able to experience that as well to be able to like spread the possibility of what it feels to actually speak your mind in the open it’s like a it’s like a liberating experience it’s like a deep personal sense liberating experience and actually just wanted more people to be able to experience that what’s the point of having a billion dollars if you can’t even express your opinion in public toally agree but now I think that that’s mostly it’s like actually mostly behind us I can I just push a little bit on that point though I mean you and I talked a lot before you um ran for president and um I remember thinking you know most people imagine that if you make a lot of money you made a lot of money young that that gives you the freedom to say whatever you want but of course the opposite turns out to be totally the opposite right so the more you have there is no Fu money that’s right there’s only f poverty the Richer you get the more vested you are in the current system the more you have to lose and so I did think you were very unusual in that you made all this Money Young and you’re like yeah I’m kind of happy to first of all stop making money for a while you didn’t seem addicted to it no they all get addicted to it no you know what I mean we actually spent it some of it right well you blew a lot of it no but there was something great about that um but why did why were you different from like everyone else you went to y school with other JD all were classmates you know just the two you two of us I can tell you there’s some I won’t even I won’t even tell you about the email chains where they still have the class email list there’s a lot of funny stuff that goes on they’ve lost their minds over myself and oh yeah yeah it’s actually it’s actually kind of hilarious you you guys were in the same class yeah we’re in the same class me with JD were all classmates and my wife was in med school at the same time so we were all we were all friendly actually where was she at Met School hey y yeah hilarious which is really funny you all misused your credentials that bestowed them um so I I have to ask you to pause so you’re on the yil law school which for those who are don’t follow the most prestigious law school in the United States I think it’s fair to say but also probably the most insane in some ways yeah yeah I think all of those things are fair yeah so what’s the what’s the email chain line so each class just has their own has their own like kind of like list serve where they where they all stay in touch and after the Springfield stuff right so people were going people were going totally nuts and eating eating the cats yeah yeah or you know eating the pets right so so they they were going totally nuts and then there was this like long thread of what charity people were going to give to in Springfield town they otherwise would never visit never have heard of never have given second care to to say okay here’s what we’re actually going to do to help this community and they started to have everyone piling in well I’m going to make my donation and I’m going to make my donation here and it was it was so nause but it was actually a very keen effort to get the New York Times to report on it so the New York Times Did report on that of course the New York Times has their own in wanting to report on this it’s designed give money to some to to to particular causes in Springfield to Virtue signal the fact that we’re not on the JD Vance Donald Trump side of this and as Yale law as fellow Yale law school alums who came from that same class we going to actually make a concerted donation to send a different signal that we’re on the side but you and JD are actually from Ohio yeah actually yeah yeah actually actually spent a lot of my youth in Springfield I actually know I actually know a lot about this I’m tempted to to pull up the email that I that I sent so I sent an email to the group I I never I haven’t commented on this list is serve in like 5 years like I’ve or 10 years probably I haven’t posted a single thing but I kind of entertained myself watching this stuff from time to time so I actually also went to Springfield myself actually this so so this is a we’ll just rewind back so when all this was planed out I said I kind of want to go to Springfield and check this out I have a lot of family that’s lived there in the past I have some family there who lives there now I spent a lot of my youth there there’s this place there’s a there’s a sub place that I used to go to like you know when I used to play tennis at Wittenberg every summer which is the University in Springfield so I’ve spent a lot of time there growing up so I said I live like 50 minutes from there right now in Columbus I grew up in Cincinnati I live in Columbus Springfield’s literally on the way right in between like let me just go check it out so I just was having wife dinner with my wife and a couple of friends in Columbus and I just put out a tweet I said I’m going to Springfield want to see what’s happening see it for myself and no plan for like an event or anything like that but some guy then replies and says I have an event space that can hold 375 people we show up in Springfield this is what like a month or month or two ago when all this played out and you know this is 375 people it could hold 2,000 people show up but they couldn’t hold 2000 so the rest were lined up outside and people just wanted to be heard did I see evidence of cats and dogs being eaten I didn’t see evidence of that what I did see evidence of was a woman being chased out of a store with a machete her dog by by an illegal immigrant who was in this country which didn’t get reported on by the news at all it was a function of a woman who actually came and told that story of her daughter who was literally being chased with a machete out of a grocery store door called the police and the police didn’t show up for hours and they didn’t follow up with an investigation either so I thought people deserve to hear the police did nothing that’s what she said and I have every reason to believe her so anyway against that backdrop I also wanted to do something positive for the community having having shown up in Springfield there’s obviously a strain on local resources so I wanted to make a donation and as you said I’ve lived the American dream I wanted to make a $100,000 donation right and so to help that for my family that’s an easy thing we were able to do to help a local community where’s the strain so we find where the local strain points are access to local primary care and we tried to make a donation in conjunction with my trip but the organization uh did not want to accept the donation that our family was about to give so they’ve talked about Springfield we need help we need all the people who can to help support the community and yet here is somebody who is living in Ohio has lived the American dream I want to actually use a small portion of what this country’s given us to help a community that’s important to me in the area of healthcare where there were a lot of strained resources in part because of the large numbers of people who are you know who are who’ve been you know moved to that community and I didn’t even have the ability to help the community that way why they didn’t they didn’t provide a great explanation they turn down a 100 Grand donation yeah yeah well what who would do that I I I mean an administrator I suppose but because politics I can only I can only um I can only assume right I can I I I I would say I heavily doubt that if I were you know sherid brown or something like that that they would have turn down a similar donation in a time of need so anyway I talked about all this when I visited Springfield but afterwards I just I told people that I was going to help support Springfield so I decided to I wanted to follow through on that so we found a couple of other charitable causes to donate to you know in totaling $100,000 to help Springfield and one of them was a Crisis Pregnancy Center I’m pro-life and wanted to at least help people get to you know strains on the system it’s a different area of healthcare where we thought there were strains on the system I actually surveyed a lot of people in Ohio and in Springfield privately who I knew where could I have an impact and they gave us they gave us this as a resource so anyway to bring this back to the original story we have um this Law School list serve where they’ve made a donation to I think it was like it was it was a left leaning group that had a lot of a lot of woke stuff on their front page I can’t tell you which exactly one was you Dei all plastered all over wherever it needs to be and they made the donation they got a bunch of people to sign on and every time somebody donated they would they would reply all and say I have also donated and there was a certain pride and sanctimony in that they got the New York Times to report on it they got MSNBC to pick it up so there’s a lot of media around that’s crazy comparatively not quite as much money being raised even but that that’s that’s that’s beside the point and so I’m on this list having to sort of see my you know inbox repeatedly flooded with every other time somebody made a donation so I just sent a note cuz maybe there’s people who have a different point of view from supporting exactly the cause they put up so I included a link saying you know for those who want to support Springfield here are some other alternative causes that you might wish to support my family and I were pleased to support the community they lost it with respect to a Crisis Pregnancy Center actually they didn’t they didn’t like it very much what did they say uh you know I think they they um they called it a uh they saw it as a they saw it as a insult actually they felt personally insulted that I was going to exploit their um good feeling about Springfield and the attention they wanted to draw by supporting it by offering a very different kind of cost but a beautiful thing happened because this goes to the same Trend you and I are talking about there were actually a lot of my classmates who I know lean left of center who then came out and were just like well have you ever considered the fact that we might also have classmates who have a different point of view on these questions and you may not just want to be donating to one particular side of cause and there was just a debate amongst them so I didn’t I didn’t really get further involved in this I rarely post on that list that was just a two liner that I had to share to offer Al They you and JD personally on the list you know um I don’t I don’t read most of the emails I think um I think there have been a lot of unfriendly things said yes so you got to wonder about that whole world yeah I mean so Trump went to Penn JD went to Yale so you still have two guys that iy League degrees Yeah in the top two by the way I don’t think that I don’t think there’s any to far from being shame in that like I’m very I had a great experience at Harvard and Yale and we learned a lot of stuff think independently I got a better education because of a lot of these people leaning left you get questioned more than the average I bet that’s right yeah but there’s also over the past several years um there’s been a lot of evidence that those schools um you know prob aren’t good for a lot of the kids they’re not the same place as they were kids who go there I mean you’re obviously you’ve got a strong personality you know what you think you’re not dependent on other people’s approval obviously you don’t seem to care that much um but you know most people young people really do care what the herd thinks and for those kids like a lot of them get destroyed and become completely irrational and into the you know the Witchcraft of transgenderism or whatever I mean they become like not really functioning people and and you just wonder like how long does the prestige attached to those institutions particularly in say China which keeps them afloat maybe not Yale but like below Yale a lot of these schools are dependent on absolutely rich Chinese yeah so like when does that end when do we stop genu flecting before these places either they’re going to massively change what they are and what they represent or they’re going to go the way of the dpin of History they are they kind of are so so the thing is there’s a difference between even these places Now versus 20 years ago just it’s just like not the same place and the same institution Harvard Yale always lean left always have had a very you know certainly self self-important view of them elves that’s always been the case but they were they were institutions certainly when I was there I can tell you from experience where alternative ideas were tolerated there was good debate I actually learned a lot from being pushed by classmates who had different points of view than mine I evolved in some of my views it’s a beautiful thing that’s what’s supposed to happen through a supposedly liberal arts education that is not the institution of Harvard or Yale or countless others like them that exist today there something dramatic has changed as they have lost their North Stars no longer at least dat as of let’s just say 6 months to a year ago maybe A lot’s going to change we’re no longer committed to the pursuit of knowledge and we’re committed to the pursuit of affirmative social goals like Harvard’s top goal it seems is to drive social change in the world rather than to actually educate their students Yale has completely abandoned the idea of free speech that the expression of certain ideas is itself con constitutes an act of violence in a way that they no longer would tolerate on their campus I think all of that’s going to have to change because otherwise you’re going to actually produce a bunch of let’s just say aat graduates that aren’t going to go on to actually accomplish very much which gives the Next Generation very little to incentive to want to go through those institutions that’s exactly in the first place and so you know what’s going to happen you know either either they’re going to become increasingly irrelevant and go through this process of elegant Decay that they’re in right now either they evolve or die so those are the 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of Trump’s win H I think it’s a renewal of national self-confidence actually I think that we are going to be more sure of ourselves as Americans I think we already are I think that the idea that people you know a lot of people who would have either felt uncomfortable saying they supported Donald Trump or didn’t even think they did but now realize that they actually value what he represents have a greater sense of conviction in themselves have a greater sense of conviction in America I think that’s probably the most important thing well I mean gold dropped 100 bucks an ounce in like an hour yeah it’s interesting how that work gold of course a bet against the US dollar so and the rest of the stock and the stock market went exactly in the opposite direction and so you know markets reflect confidence and I think the Revival of our self-confidence is the most important thing actually because everything else we could talk about the issues set you know fixing the Border restoring Law and Order enforcing the law ending rampant crime in the country growing the economy all of those things require a certain level of self-confidence in America requires a certain sense of spine in who we are to be able to say okay an economy grows people are willing to take risks you’re not willing to take risks to create a new business or to grow you know or to invest in a new Venture unless you have actual confidence in yourself and your ability to do that same thing with respect to the rule of law you have to believe in the validity of American rule of law to actually stand by it even when it’s actually hard or unpopular to do so same thing to say that our own border actually means something you have to have confidence in a nation to believe that that nation is worth protecting if you actually don’t believe in what’s inside then there’s no real reason you have to protect it physically either so I think the Revival of our national self-confidence is the most important thing Donald Trump has delivered and I think is going to deliver for the country and if we get that back the rest of it’s actually pretty easy it sort of falls into place more or less automatically I would say but along the way there are all I mean there are all kinds of obstacles and the first obstacle is finding the right people to staff the government yes yes which was a and Trump has said this himself um including to me like the day before he got elected in public I didn’t have anyone to run the government and there were a lot of bad people wound up uh in positions of real Authority H will it be different this time I think it will actually I think it will because first of all we’re all human beings Donald Trump included has learned a lot from that first ter I think that if you have somebody who had never run for office before and I’m particularly sympathetic to this I ran for president without knowing what the heck I was getting into and it was very much a fire first aim later strategy for me over the last year when I ran and so I can deeply empathize with Donald Trump’s first run for president but not only did he run for the first time he actually won the first time as well and to be able to get in there as you said I wasn’t there but it sounds like without even that much of an expectation of winning I think the system was able to strike back before he and his team were able to get their arms around the system and even still accomplished a lot I mean I think that first term was you know I said this when we spoke the other day but it was like the most successful president of the 21st Century which is setting a very low bar because the other presidents in the 21st century have been awful George Bush Joe Biden Barack Obama are the others and Donald Trump was unambiguously the best of that batch but I think the idea that there’s only there’s certain things you can only learn by doing it I mean even running for president there’s only certain things I could have learned about that process by doing it now let alone leading the country I think there’s only certain things Donald Trump could have learned by actually being in that position and so this time around I think he is laser focus focused on making sure that the people he puts into those positions actually share broadly his vision for the country broadly share an allegiance people make like this some kind of bad thing but an allegiance to him personally I’m sorry if you’re running a company you can’t run that company as a CEO if the people who work for you actively dislike you or wish to undermine you personally even if they believe in the company’s product it doesn’t work if they actually like actively hate the CEO so I I don’t know why the liberal press actually likes to make a big deal out of the fact that Donald Trump wants people who will also share a personal allegiance to him and are mission aligned I think both of those things are required for a functioning organization aarian cuz under Trump the FBI was always showing up at people’s houses and stealing their cell phones and carding them off to oh wait no you know these people are totalitarians actually I I I know a lot of people personally I’m friends with people who’ve been the target of FBI raids including today um Alie Oaks uh who’s wonderful man he we visited his restaurant and and Shop yeah in in South Florida Naples good man I don’t know I don’t anything about the Alle grocery store in the United States I have no idea he a very kind human being who was immensely um he just took such great care of our family in the short time we spent with him he’s a wonderful person outspoken conservative and outspoken Trump voter which is your right to do in this country of course he was a covid dissident um and he was raided by the FBI today now I just texted him I I um I don’t know what the charges are the pretext is for raiding his house but I’m willing to stake my credibility on since I know him so well um you know don’t think Alfie Oaks is doing anything that warranted an FBI raid and I doubt he would have been raid he not been an outspoken Trump voter so anyway these people are scary they’re going to be thrown out of power um what does Trump do with the Mandate that he has I hope as much as possible as quickly as possible POS I think that the same I think the lesson from last time around is if you don’t move fast the the Beast ultimately will you know will will swallow any individual hole of course and so I think he’s ready to go in with real determination this time around to move quickly move fast I think we need to WIS behind our back early on you know one of the things that I think we learned from last time around is a lot of this is just early momentum right you’ve let’s say we have three all three branches let’s say we’ve got I mean judicial branch we have a great judicial branch right now at the top at the Supreme Court the best we’ve had certainly In Our Lifetime but you combine that with a strong electoral mandate for the presidency a strong decisive majority in the Senate hopefully get a good Senate Majority Leader picked and then and I think Rick Scott would be great for that but that’s it can’t be John cornin John cornin is an aggressive liberal and if Donald Trump wins the popular vote in John cornin of Texas who is way more liberal than a lot of Democrats I know winds up Senate Majority Leader I mean that’s just it’s crazy that so assume a few more of those correct pieces fall into place and then and then even a majority at least an impeachment proof house I think that we got to go big we got to go fast two major issues right out the gate one is already the one that Donald Trump’s been talking about the entire time you know he’s pumped up about it and he is not going to mess around with this is to fix the illegal immigration crisis and actually seal our national borders and he is laser focused on that he has made no secrets about that that’s his top campaign message he’s going to keep that promise and I think he’s going to keep it fast starting on day one that’s number one and there’s a lot to say on that but it’s hard to say what hasn’t already been said about what needs to be done right it’s just about getting in there and doing it so that’s Mass deportation number one is millions of illegals out of this country and sealing the Border along with it but I’m actually far more intrigued and interested for the long run in what I think of as the second Mass deportation that we require which is the mass deportation of millions of unelected federal bureaucrats out of the DC bureaucracy and I do think that is what’s going to save this country long I think you actually can you can’t fire we can all be fired I’ve been fired many times I’m sure well you just lost a presidential race like we’ve all the only group that cannot fail that has actual tenure is not Harvard professors not even y it’s not even it’s Federal bureaucrats no Amy wax just got you know tenure is is no protection at all compared to the protection of federal employment so so the one difference is first of all we have a President Who I think has the spine to actually step up and do it but the second thing is we actually have a not to get too you know in the weeds here but we actually have a legal landscape with the current Supreme Court that allows us to do what couldn’t have been done in the last half century they have a moral right to work from home yeah 10 hours a week at our expense at a far higher wage than the average America oh absolutely so the fun the funny thing is they have a moral right you can’t you can’t complain about it you actually brought up a really interesting dimension of this if you literally just mandated that they have to actually show up to work Monday through Friday I know radical idea they don’t they don’t go to work actually a good number of them would quit that way right right that step alone so you don’t even have to talk talk about you want a mass firing a mass Exodus just tell them they have to come back five days a week from 8:00 p.m. to 6 p.m. like many Americans most Americans who work hard to earn a living in this country just show up physically to work you’d actually have about a 25% thing out of the federal bureaucracy right there so that’s an easy First Step next step is so the Supreme Court what they’ve laid out right now is they’ve basically said in so many words that most federal regulations are unconstitutional close to in so many words that’s what they’ve said if Congress didn’t pass it right it’s a basic principle here is the people we elect to run the government should run the government that’s not the case today the people who write most of the rules were never elected to their position congress makes the laws that’s what the Constitution say that’s what the Constitution says but that’s not exactly how it works today and the Supreme Court thankfully has had a major problem with that so was this case West Virginia versus EPA two years ago there was this ler brigh case that came down this year that overturned this horrific Doctrine called Chevron Defence which said that the the courts have to defer to the agency’s judgments on what the law actually says the Supreme Court’s torn all of that to shreds and basically what they’ve said is if it’s a major question if it’s something that affects people’s lives economically or relates to a major political issue it cannot be written into existence by somebody who is not elected to office or who can’t be voted out of office it has to be done by the people who are elected to write the laws who could be voted out if they write bad laws that’s a beautiful thing and I think that those were seismic democracy you’re describing democracy that’s that’s actually the essence of democracy that’s the essence of self-governance so we’ve had those cases come down under this Biden Harris tenure but actually if you have somebody who takes over in the presidency now as we’re going to on January 20th who takes a posture of executive humility and this is the key part right cuz people will say oh Donald Trump’s going to go if’s is going to go shut down these agencies that’s executive Fiat no no no you got it mixed up the executive fiat’s what’s been happening for the last century really in this country but over the last four years included unelected bureaucrats by Fiat legislating what otherwise should have gone through we the people and our elected representatives so the Supreme Court’s already said told the executive r no no no you can’t do that actually a lot of that was illegal and unconstitutional all we need right now is an executive branch that says hey the Supreme Court you’ve told us a lot of what we’re doing is illegal it violates the Constitution so we’re not going to do that anymore and that requires us to take any regulation any Federal Regulation that fails these standards that the Supreme Court has given us in West Virginia versus EPA in ler bride in there’s another case called jarasi versus SEC that one that one relates to slightly different issues but the Supreme Court standards all of these regulations that fail that test were just going to resend them they’re null and void and we don’t have to resend them because we already know they’re actually null and void and illegitimate any may but we will put the public on notice to say these tens of thousands of regulations that have been written by federal bureaucrats they’re null and void because they were never written by the people who we elected now if you have 50% fewer regulations that creates kind of an industrial logic to say that okay well then we don’t need 50% of the people around anymore either and the way these rules have worked in the past is if this you know this well right the Civil Service rules the Civil protection rules that say you fire these Federal bureaucrats that’s been the historical you know accepted Dogma actually if you read the law carefully it doesn’t work quite that way that applies to individual firings right to say if I fire you you have a special protection to say that I either politically discriminate against you discriminated for some other reason or if you fire a bunch of people with discretionary firings if there’s a disperate racial impact or a gender impact or whatever you could be sued on a million grounds but if it is part of a mass firing what you call a reduction in Force if it’s just like aass Mass firing those actually fall outside the Civil Service rules as they exist so if you go in that order to say that okay the Supreme Court’s already told us that all of these regulations not all of them but an overwhelming majority of them are invalid you go straight down that list and say we have 50% 70% 80% fewer regulations then you look at the 4 million people civil servants or whatever and say that okay if we have 80% fewer regulations then we need 80% fewer people to enforce them that simply makes sense then you have the industrial Logic for right there under current law Mass downsizing just the scale of the federal government and part of the problem is these things are deeply related when you have a bunch of people who show up to work who should have never had that job in the first place they start finding things to do actually and that’s what gave us that regulatory morass in the first place like the Federal Reserve I mean if you just fired you about 22,000 employees in the Federal Reserve if you fired 90% of them there would still be 2,000 left which is arguably on the high side if you have a Federal Reserve whose sole focus is restoring the stability of the US dollar which I do think should be the sole mandate and sole purpose of the US fed same thing with respect to you go straight down the list EIT what did 22,000 employees do at the FED oh they do a lot of calculations they do a lot of conjecture and and it feeds their huis a little bit so markets and I was you know I worked at the hedge fund that first job I had for seven years out of college and you know understand a way in which people will huddle around divining what the exact meaning is of a comma at the end of Federal Reserve minutes does that mean that they think that the econom is overheating so much that they have to raise interest rates that feeds a kind of hubus of the bureaucrat to make them think that they’re some kind of genius and some kind of actual Savant that merits this attention but the reason the market actors pay attention to what these Federal Reserve people say is not because they have some sort of expert knowledge that’s actually meaningful they’re actually looking to see effectively how they’re going to screw it up in the process right and so academics took over the Federal Reserve in the late 199s but the FED only has one big lever right well they have a few they they have a few levers actually they’re able to pull yeah I mean one big lever broadly me how much money you feed in or suck out of the system yeah yeah that’s true but they’ve they’ve used that in ways that have been I think badly destructive to the country I mean because CU here’s here’s like an example of how so when the academics took over the fed and the late 1990s like one of the things that happened and this was a kind of managerial class in this agency that’s a three-letter agency in some form the FED right what they said was okay if wages are going up this is a long story if you want to get into this but we can give you a short version if wages are going up that that is a leading indicator of inflation so wage growth was a bad thing so the way you fight wage growth is by tightening monetary policy into wages going up here’s the problem with that and anybody who’s run a business knows this okay wages are the generally the last thing to go up in the business cycle if things are going really well in the business cycle the last thing most employers want to say you know I’m not saying it’s the right decision or the wrong decision but most employers the last thing they want to have go up is the wages so wages tend to be actually not a leading indicator of the business cycle wage growth tends to be a trailing indicator of the business cycle but you have the academic mindset of the Federal Reserve that said that’s one thing we can measure that we can observe and feel smart about so wage growth we’re going to treat that as a leading indicator of inflation even when it’s a trailing indicator well what does that mean they tighten monetary policy precisely into a natural downturn of the business cycle which gives you the boom bust and then what comes after a bust is is of course the bailout so you get these boom bust bailout Cycles that’s exactly what happened you could say in 2000 you could see it in 2008 you could see some version of it you know even in 2023 although that was a little bit more subtle and so anyway that’s that’s a whole rabbit hole about the FED but it’s an example of when you have 23,000 people show up to work who should have never had the job in the first first place they start finding things to do and when you find things to do that ends up being destructive rather than helpful which means the root causes you got to get rid of the presence of the people who populate that bureaucracy but in order to do that you need this industrial logic and that industrial logic in my opinion is what the Supreme Court has already given us which is this mandate to say the Executive Branch the fake Executive Branch the administrative state has written all these rules by Fiat most of them are illegal like they’re actually unlawful they’re illegitimate and so if you have an executive branch that says okay we’re going to recognize that most of these regulations are illegitimate there’s your blueprint for then shaving down the size of the federal bureaucracy which is then the permanent solution to stop that bureaucracy from perpetuating this kind of illegal rampant action and I think that’s the stuff of how you actually save a country boring as that might sound I it’s not boring and I think um I I’ve never heard in all the you know my whole life in Washington anybody suggests that this is a process that could really be stalled or reversed the process being the growth of the federal government which is just inexorable because the purpose of the institution is to protect protect itself and expand that’s the a law of physics applied to government every institution exists to protect itself for its own benefit that’s its purpose and it’s demonstrable in its Behavior so um but I it’s it’s so obvious it’s so overwhelming it’s the largest institution in human history I’ve never heard anybody say you know we have a shot of like lopping off 10% 20% 30% 40% 80% yeah that I mean that would change everything from our foreign policy to our economy to our culture um you really think that’s that could happen yeah I think it could happen I think it I think will there’ll be trade-offs I not going to paint some sort of exclusively one of the tradeoffs going be you’re going to have a a a crash in the economy of Arlington Virginia yeah which is welld deserved and maybe a boom of the economy elsewhere and long overdue yeah you know why why shouldn’t Arlington and mlan and Lowden County share the pain of Gary Indiana I don’t understand or Springfield Ohio I don’t actually actually going to take the bright side of this sorry taking the apocalyptic side I mean I’m in I’m in the Golden Age mood right now yeah sorry the golden age but but you feel the resentment um two sides of the same coin though they go right together send these people to Gary andana or to Springfield we don’t need external external individuals to the nation to actually fill those open positions we have three million of them sitting in the greater Washington DC area who you know they could say well are those people really going to do those jobs maybe they should actually they could be far more productive than the destruction that they’re doing to the country right now we it is a fact that we have more open jobs than we have people in the country that’s often one of the backdoor arguments made for Mass illegal immigration to this country but actually okay you need I think for rule of law reasons you need deportation of people who are in this country illegally but if you get 3 million people out of the federal bureaucracy in Washington DC they are Americans and those are available candidates to actually provide a little shot in the arm to the labor market why shouldn’t the agencies be moved to Baltimore and Gary to the extent they exist I think they should absolutely be moved absolutely I don’t think all of I think many of those agencies should not exist many of them that do continue to exist absolutely should be moved to other parts of the country so I don’t think the Surgeon General office should s in Washington DC I don’t think I don’t think you should have much of HHS more broadly I don’t think that the Department of Agriculture should sit in Washington DC I think there are countless agencies the Department of Education I think you’re in wrongfully insulated in Washington DC now certain of those agencies like the Department of Education should not actually exist so I wouldn’t want to start this um process of just saying okay let’s move them out of Washington DC as some sort of polite gential way of avoiding and sidest stepping the thing that we actually need to do which is bring a jack hammer and a chainsaw to the whole thing but even those that do continue to exist you would actually have a lot more accountability to the people and probably even some some kind of stimulus if you will in parts of the country that wouldn’t mind a little bit of that growth getting out of DC and comeing to their own backyard these two things go together though because if you actually did take one of those agencies and say Hey you have to show up to work five days a week and actually you have to go to Topeka Kansas or Cincinnati Ohio instead you’d actually have a good number of the people quit anyway which avoids the severance costs so I kind of like that method as you could kind of get two in one right there is thinning it down and moving it out but yeah moving the agency’s out you should fire about 75% of the federal employee headcount if not you know immediately on day one you could go you could ease into that pretty quickly agencies that are redundant can be reorganized that shouldn’t exist Department of Education is a good example shut it down send the money back Workforce training can move to the Department of Labor and Loan collections can move to treasury there’s just a mass opportunity for a mega reorganization and thereby downsizing of this bureaucracy and it’s a one-way ratchet cuz it’s not like if another president comes back they can write that back into existence by Fiat they’d actually have to go through Congress to do it and so I think this is a to call it once in a generation uh understates it it might be it might be closer to Once in a century or once in a nation’s lifetime opportunity to drastically reorganize and reshape and drive structural change in the federal government and I’m pretty pumped up about that actually would you be involved in this effort I’d like to be yeah absolutely I’ve given it a lot of thought it was the centerpiece of my presidential campaign I spent a year and a half of my life this is it was probably the most I mean I I took a lot of positions on a lot of things but this is probably the single most useful and certainly personally important to me part of the policy aspect of my campaign last year and um yeah I have been involved let’s just say in recent months in laying out what the blueprint should look like this is the draining the swamp part of the operation that we were promised but never got and you I you’ve talked to the president-elect about this and many other topics do you think he’s on board for something this far-reaching he understands this is the root cause of the cancer he I mean he’s he said drain the swamp for a reason you could talk about all the reasons why that was hard to do the first time around one of the reasons is we didn’t even have that legal landscape from the current Supreme Court and he made some good Supreme Court appointments that allowed us to have this landscape so now I think he is dialed in understands that incrementally tinkering around the edges of these agencies it doesn’t work there’s a temptation to say if you just fire the person on top that somehow that’s going to fix the problem no you know get James Comey 2.0 or whatever to fill absurd the same seat but I think if you’re willing to actually strike the Leviathan at its core I think that that’s actually what it’s going to take to save a country and I do think he gets that in a deep way turns out that what you do online is not private not even 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the bureaucracy as something we need to bring a chainsaw to I actually draw a distinction between the bureaucracy as its own self-perpetuating organism and the individual three million people who populate it so there are certainly some people who are in positions of authority who are just individually bad people absolutely that need to be purged from the federal government and get out and back into normal life and maybe they can be rehabil itated but they’re going to be uh that’s not going to be the job of the new government that’s going to be something that their own spiritual advisers have to help them through that’s that’s that’s a separate category but I think that’s a relatively small minority of the three plus million federal civil servants who I do think are probably um dead weight worse than dead weight because they’re actually inadvertently even doing things that are net harmful to the country I think it’s the machine itself that I think is a big part of the problem a lot of these people are people who individually believe that they’re carrying out some sort of some sort of good and it comes from this sort of organizational conceit which is basically skeptical of self-governance right I mean it’s it’s as old as it’s as old as human beings are is the idea that you can govern yourself was mostly a radical idea that most people thought was laughable and crazy I mean that’s why we fought the we fought the American Revolution over the exact topic that you and I are talking about here because the basic view is that if you leave it to We the People you’ll burn yourself out of EX istance through global warming or climate change or you’ll you you’ll harm yourself before you even know it through racial Equity failures or climate change failures that’s the equivalent of what the old European worldview was was that the idea that we the people could be trusted to govern ourselves and express our own opinions that was crazy that’s why we fought an American Revolution well it turns out that that ugly monster is just rearing its head again saying that no no no you actually can’t be trusted to self-govern so we’ll tell you that you are to give you the satisfaction of believing that you live in a Republic see that was actually they they could think of rewrite the American Revolution through uh revisionist lens and say okay you can’t tell people they live in a monarchy but if you can at least keep the parts of a monarchy that are required for a society to continue to exist but fool people into thinking they live in a democracy or a self-governing republic that’s almost good enough and that comes with some inconveniences because sometimes it will actually even behave a little bit like a democracy at times but in the core questions at least if it was unelected people who actually made those decisions that machine is actually what protects Humanity from itself and so the people who occupy those positions are individually people who believe that they are doing the right thing not even for themselves or that they’re trying to harm their fellow citizens they’re doing the right thing for their fellow citizens I’m thinking about the average civil servant working at the FTA or the SEC or whatever they believe that if it weren’t for them the silent you know the Bruce Wayne figure that they are right the the the the hero that goth deserves that’s how they think about themselves and individually I guess you could say that that motivation as much as there’s a conceit embedded in that like they’re not individually irredeemable people I just think that they have become part of a machine that is irredeemable and so I know maybe they’ll continue to watch Jimmy Kimmel that’s like a separate issue right we have cultural issues in the country but if we view the bureaucracy as its own Target separate and apart from the individuals who comprise it I think that’s going to a allow us to be more successful and B allow us to I think sell it to the rest of the country and not in a fake sale but like a true sale to say that we don’t hold this against the individuals who are working here who have put in 20 years of work to the federal government but we owe it to the rest of the people of this country that the job of the federal government is not to employ these people so where does the rubber hit the road on that here’s one where you could call me soft for this but I actually think this would be advisable I actually think this would drastically increase the probability of success of this happening but I also think that it doesn’t really dilute what we’re doing it doesn’t dilute our purpose I would actually favor rather generous Severance arrangements with those individuals right like we could debate whether that’s a year is a year and a half a year and a half would be extremely generous you could say that well then you’re eating into some of your cost savings not really in the long run you’re still saving a lot of money for sure but the whole exercise wasn’t really about saving their head account costs anyway the biggest cost of employing the people in this machine is the action of the machine itself so if you’ve debilitated that for a year and a half’s worth of severance well I mean what’s that it’s like a year and a half’s worth of not having done this in the first place pay that as a down payment to actually make that happen that by normal employment standards is actually really generous like if you’re working at a company and you’re not doing a great job and someone fires you or even if you are doing a great job and you’re part of a division that’s no longer part of that company you’re generally not going to get a year and a half’s worth unless you’re the CEO you’re not going to get a year and a half’s worth worth of pay it just doesn’t work that way you might get two weeks you might get two months at most so to treat these federal employees far more generously than they would have been in a private sector circumstance there’s probably people watching this who would who would think I’m being soft for saying that no I I think we’re actually I think that’s the right thing to do because it will allow us to do this in a way that separates this as a personal Vendetta against those individuals who themselves have their families and their kids and whatever to say that we’re solving more of a structural problem and so that’s how I kind of separated Tucker is especially economically on the severance piece of this like I want to go in I want to go I want to go hard I want to go aggressive but I want to make this less about going after the individuals or you know they’re still free to watch The View if they want you know what they can have a year or a year and a half wor of their old salary oppose it because I mean it doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter like it just doesn’t matter right now actually I love that yeah um and they they’ll Sue and they’ll take it to the Supreme Court that’s also why this has to be done now not only because it’s the window of the Electoral mandate we have I think the current Supreme Court is on our side in a way that it never has been since the Advent of the administrative state which is around 1920 like in the last century we have had a we have not had a supreme court that has been as aligned with the vision that I’m describing to you as what we have now and fast forward in another 20 years we probably won’t really I mean realistically in the next 20 years there’s going to be somebody who you and I don’t agree with who’s probably going to be elected president and there’s going to be Supreme Court Justices who either die or get swapped out in that time frame so this is a again back to a once in a century maybe once in a National History opportunity to really Drive deep structural change in the federal government Improvement so here’s how I would stop it if I were on the other side and opposed to this yeah I would have a war I mean we have War well sure we have these I mean the federal government is at its current size because of war the main physical effect of the second world war in the United States was was the construction of the world’s largest office building the Pentagon we have DHS because of a war no it is they just came into existence of course in the 911 yeah post so yeah War increases the size of government it changes attitudes it changes your Society always in terrible ways in my opinion but certainly it changes it but it creates an environment where people don’t question because people are afraid yeah and so they feel like they need government so so um it’s the ultimate big government is is the you know there a lot of money spent in the last uh year um on war with Iran like people want war with Iran that’s that’s the war people want donors want I I know for a fact so um if we get a war with Iran then we’re not cutting we’re not cutting the government at all interesting I I have to give that some thought I mean you’re you’re one of the things that’s also true is that massive Leviathan we’re talking about probably I gave the we went into this esoteric example about the Fed but one of the best places and best examples of that is the state department as you well know right that is when you think about the swamp and the unelected bureaucracy and the people who set policy were never elected to set that policy I mean the state department is probably even a far better example than the US Federal Reserve there are too many good examples to choose from but that’s State Department is is disgusting yeah that’s probably high on the list yeah no it’s got some sort of mandate to make the world gay or something I don’t understand what where it came I mean the point of the state department is to conduct diplomacy on behalf of the United States it’s not to change cultures around the world to fit you know the mores of Bethesda Maryland actually so well I think it’s it’s behaved like most organizational bureaucracies it takes on a life of its own and so that’s that’s again another example of an agency it’s just another agency really that needs to be you know we got to take the same attitude to say that if you got a bunch of people showing up to work who shouldn’t never had that job they start finding things to do that are generally damaging and that could include even not only in our own soil oh my gosh but abroad as well oh it’s I mean the Warfare state is Upstream of the welfare state in some ways too because it even relates to the to the immigration crisis actually more so in Europe though I think it probably will eventually be directly linked to the immigration crisis here too where part of Europe’s Mass Invasion if you will of illegals entering Europe is actually the consequence of us disruptions that we created in the war the war in Syria absolutely yeah Syria and Libya that’s exactly right no we did that and and so that that necessitates a welfare state we’re different from Western European countries but if you view the West more broadly and the rise of the welfare state in the west the Warfare State actually creates the need for that welfare state which then actually creates the magnet that keeps the illegal migration pattern coming and the labor you know the real labor shortage in this country is in the Pentagon they can’t meet their recruitment goals yeah and so they’re going to start yeah waving in illegal aliens and giving them automatic weapons do you think that’s do you think that’s uh that’s this going of course and so then you then you have you know late Rome um where the Germanic tribes are populating your your history yeah it’s terrifying okay so let’s ask you about the election yeah it’s so dark I can’t even think about it but that’s where we’re going um okay so within hours of the election of trump being declared the winner in this last election numbers appeared on the internet which are accurate which I know you’ve seen that showed the vote totals in the last four elections for the Democrats yeah and in out of the four the number including this one the number hovered between say 59 and 65 um million votes and then you have this weird anomaly in 2020 where it was 81 huh so how do you go Biden was such a compelling candidate that doesn’t make any sense so this candidate his vice president she received she KLA Harris received they tell us Wikipedia tells us received 81 million votes in 2020 and and then somehow she received 15 million fer mhm what happened to those 15 million that just does not make I I just dare anyone to explain that to me what is that I I mean look I’m I’m I’m not I’m not a scholar on this stuff but what I will tell you what I yeah what I so I think a good number of those on on the super positive side of this a lot of those people are the people who are given the permission structure whe those people not will put that to one side but there are a lot of people who actually did vote for Biden who could not stomach voting for anyone other than Donald Trump this time around I think it’s great but Trump’s numbers stayed the same yeah Trump’s numbers have stay the same for through three elections pretty much the same um and I mean let’s just let’s just cut to the chase on this we we won the election here’s what we do single day voting on Election Day as a national holiday with paper ballots and government issued ID to match the voter file and I would also add while we’re at it make English the sole language that appears in a ballot yes and you know what it’s a beautiful thing Puerto Rico does it this way there’s other countries that do it this way I think that that’s something that we could actually do the country that sent a rocket out and caught it on the way back yes we would be able to actually run elections on a single day with paper Ballance yeah and send Dominion packing and the fact the fact that there is resistance to this let’s just say the policy proposal on offer okay that I’ve said it countless times Donald Trump’s talked about this single day voting on Election Day make it a national holiday that actually brings people together paper ballots government issued ID to match the voter file if that is if that is objectionable that itself raises doubts about exactly what the heck is going on so I don’t think K Harris want you can check this but I I’m I’m pretty sure KL Harris did not win any states with voter ID law oh is that right interes and she didn’t lose any she didn’t lose any states that don’t require voter ID huh so um oh that’s really interesting no I’m not saying there’s a connection there V but um you’re following the science so I just don’t understand and I again I’ve been in you know 18 hours or whatever of depositions from voting machine companies to disgusting companies um I was not named in either suit but they hauled me in and tried to wreck my life just for I don’t know I guess disagreeing with them or something smartmatic and Dominion disgusting companies um why do we have electronic voting machines no one will say this because they’re afraid of getting sued by these companies what’s the justif what’s what I I I haven’t followed the the industrial history of this when did that come into when did they start using them and what was the justification the justification was that they’re more efficient and faster more accurate and faster yeah and it turned out seem like it takes a lot longer to get our no um so India I think is the largest country in the world I think they we reset the population numbers recently if it’s not the largest it’s one of the largest by popular second largest I think it’s largest now yeah I think it is the largest and I largest democracy for sure in the history of the world and I think they finished counting in one day every time is that correct I think he did as pretty fast lot of do it pretty fast as I said even even I mean like you look at a territory of the United States even Puerto Rico like runs their elections with such executional Excellence compared to the rest of the United States America they can’t even keep the power grid going pull off a fair election it’s unbelievable and so we what do we say this time around this had to be by such a decisive margin that a landslide minus some Shenanigans is still going to be a decisive Victory and that’s what we got so my view is we can and I think there there’s going to be such a temptation to do this is um we actually won like we’re actually in a winning position right now so like I I I more or less like could care less for the K Harris or Joe Biden P or what like I just don’t it just doesn’t matter that’s the spirit what I care about is like how are we actually going to fix it in a lasting way like in a way that just lasts for a really long time I think there would be enough of an opportunity I mean think about the majority we’re now commanding in the Senate I think we can do this nationally where you make election a national holiday put on a single day and at least for federal elections because States state elections are run by States but at least for a federal election all 50 states have a b bare minimum standard of single day voting paper ballots government issued ID to match the voter file period And I think more or less we’ve solved the problem of public confidence in elections for the long run and I think if you solve it you solve it right there if you’re against that then I’d like to offer I’d like I’d love to hear the the best possible argument offered against that I haven’t really heard one yet black people don’t have IDs in this country yeah I think that that’s a racist supposition actually so you know and then they will allege racism for somebody who actually thinks anything different than the actual most racist thought on the matter but I I haven’t heard of good compell most black people favor voter ID laws actually most people favor voter ID laws so it should not be surprising that most black people also favor voter ID laws and you know I think if somebody’s on their way to you if there somebody’s driving somebody’s analogy that they was pretty good is driving on their way to vote and they actually get pulled over they say no no I’m on my way to vote that’s your way out of actually a speding ticket because if you’re on your way to vote you don’t need a voter ID but if you’re driving anywhere else you do it’s kind of a funny little Paradox so most it’s common sense it’s called common sense because most people everywhere tend to have it and I think most people agree on this issue we now have enough of a mandate so I think let’s just let’s just do we are proud at TCN to offer quality long form programming films docu mentary short series and we’ve got a new one rolling it out it’s a six-part documentary series called All the President’s Men the conspiracy against Trump it’s made by our friend the documentary filmmaker Shawn Stone all six episodes available now at Tucker carlson.com it’s an in-depth look at what happened in the first Trump Administration 2016 to 2020 and while the rest of us were just busy watching TV behind the scenes permanent Washington particularly the Intel agencies and the law enforcement agency gencies under the indirect but pretty clear command of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton set out to systematically destroy not just Donald Trump but the people around him the people who supported him and this series explains exactly what happened it’s worth seeing as Donald Trump starts his second presidency this Series has interviews with the people who were targeted and presents it in a way that will help you understand exactly what happened how American democracy as democracy was undermined by the people who claimed to be defending it it’s in this series and it’s absolutely worth it all the presidents men the conspiracy against Trump out now on Tucker carlson.com so how did you when I I saw you um in Florida on Election night with with Trump and you clearly like him he clearly likes you um you know running against somebody for office is not a natural environment for a friendship to sprout at all it was you know Jeb Bush was not there yeah uh how did you end up liking Trump how did he end up liking you why do you have such an easy friendship after running against him I think we’re both unusual individuals in ways that caused us to gel actually I I I didn’t see the point in running I I I ran against Trump for sure and you know I I made my case for why I thought I was the right candidate you know I think that there was I was the youngest person ever to run for you as president as a Republican and I do think that there is an opportunity to lead and bring in a new generation in some ways as we have nonetheless in the last year but I didn’t do the Trump bashing thing like it just seemed seemed kind of lame it seemed really fasil he was the yeah but is these things that’s right everyone starts out that way but then it gets intense it gets intense yeah and and and you know we had our we had our sharp moments over the course of the campaign sure but it wasn’t how did it was personal well how did you do that how did you not get mad they all get mad at the end you know it it was it was interesting um I guess the whole thing wasn’t an exercise that I took super personally anyway I think when you take this stuff too personally it becomes exhausting but for me it was look I feel like I have a calling for the country I’m running for something I’m running for my vision and you know what along the way because it was deeply consistent with my vision I respected Donald Trump like in a certain sense if you think about like a family business or something right you have you’re going have a guy who that started it that bequeaths it to his kids at some point along the way there are some bumps in the road in terms of you know how that happens and when and when’s the right time for the torch to be passed on and those would be legitimate disagreements arguments within the context of family business I know many people who have been in that similar position and so in that sense of carrying the American torch we could have like a reasonable debate about when the right time is for that to be able to pass on to the next generation of leaders or whatever but I came from a place of actual deep respect for Donald Trump the whole time that I ran because one of the reasons why is it was a fact of the matter that I was self-aware about and myself I would not have thought about running for US president had Donald Trump not actually done it as a firsttime Outsider and won in 2016 like I don’t think that that I don’t think that idea would have occurred to me I I’m a you know I’m an entrepreneur I believe in achieving things that haven’t been achieved before but that particular thing I just wouldn’t have even considered that possibility had Donald Trump not run one and been a successful president and so you know I said it on the debate stage I thought Donald Trump was the greatest president of the 21st century and I think it actually caused more anger from the other candidates on that stage at me for the rest of the race than Donald Trump or I ever had with respect to each other really they didn’t like that they didn’t like that very much who didn’t like it well I think um most of the other people on the debate St with me actually how many were there uh they started with like 10 um you know I I the last debate I had was there was four of us up there um that was interesting oh there was there was oh so many things I would do differently but that’s that’s a story for a story for another day you know I think the hardest the hardest part was in the short windows into a campaign that you that you have interfacing with like 300 million people I think even the people who were in physical rooms with me understood me at a different and deeper level than the 99.9% of the electri that never was but who saw um saw the few windows that they had to see who you are now the debates one of the things I learned about him is that this different for a general election debate if you’re going against like Trump versus Harris or Trump versus Biden people watched that and for a good reason I’m glad they did but like in a in a Republican primary debate in the early cycle where there’s like 10 people standing on a stage most people don’t actually watch that debate or see what happened for themselves but what they do see is the distillation of it and so the clips as we say yeah the clips but even even the even just like the verbal descriptions of actually what happened that’s what they get is the synthesis so the audience functionally of a primary debate isn’t really the electorate it’s two groups of people it’s The Gatekeepers in the media and it is the people who fund campaigns like that’s the audience that actually matters I dep I mean I’m not saying it should work that way and I’m saying I want it to work that way but functionally if you’re looking at moving the ball forward in a in a rise that is the group that determines whether or not that event actually Advanced your campaign forward towards Victory and at a certain point in the campaign I mean you and I actually spoke a few times over it including over conversations like this we had while I was running you know the conclusion I arrived at was here’s my strategy I’m going to tell you what I actually believe right now and 99% of the time that was the same thing that I believed four years ago 1% of the time it was not but I’m going to tell you what I believe right now and I’m going to tell it to you straight without filters and it felt like that should be a winning electoral strategy um I’m not sure it’s the winning electoral strategy but this race was just so different from any other one because in retrospect there’s literally it’s foolish for anybody myself included to think that anybody else was going to come out of this process other than Donald Trump as the nominee and it’s because the moment right now that we’re in the people of this country know what they need when they need it and they needed a guy who had been there Who had who was strong enough who wasn’t necessarily an ideologue but who was a badass who actually had had the experience and was ready from those learnings to be charged up and go back in and actually take it to the next level so they they knew that and I don’t think the outcome was going to be any different of terms of who the nominee was regardless of what I did but there was still a lot of a lot of learnings through the process now things like I could have done better probably a million things I could have done better but I think that you know I think that being unsparing as I was I think I that I wouldn’t change but to be able to combine that a little bit more with if there’s a way for me to allow a lot of people to sort of know me the way that like my employees at my businesses know me or my closest friends know me I would I would love to think about how to do that Donald Trump’s actually really good at that yeah he is yeah and I think that he is he’s like the best at it and watching him even in the years since I left the campaign has been eye openening it’s been it’s been kind of inspiring actually and it’s made me think a lot about he’s able to take you know 20,000 people in a room at a time but also 100 million people not in the room at that time to really get to know him like who he is and feel like they actually deeply know him as a person as opposed to just his policies I think I was really good at allowing a lot of people around the country to know what my policies were what my specifics of were my vision for America I found it a little bit hard to figure out how to let people on the other side of camera know who you get it it’s it’s that was that was like kind of one of the one of the reflection Trump is more um self-deprecating than he gets credit for quite self-deprecating it’s actually really funny makes him fun really funny the other night in last week of the campaign he was pivoting against the Trump voters are garbage Biden’s comment he shows up in a garbage truck wearing I think you were there wearing you know daylow vest and he comes out on stage wearing and he says my staff told me they wanted me to wear this I wouldn’t wear it and they said to me it makes you look thinner yeah I know I I like that and I anything makes you look that I’m for it’s like that’s hilarious it’s hard to say stuff like that about yourself yeah so what about I’ve just wondered like one of the sort of ongoing side skirmishes that I try not to pay too much attention to but is a little mesmerizing is the is the uh the never Trump movement oh yeah what’s going on with that right now well I don’t think anything actually and I’m interested because they’re all people I know yeah um because I’m from for it does for you yeah and they’re so they’re just so repulsive to me um but what do you think’s going on I think there’s a kind of a psychological derangement it’s almost like a it’s like a condition that needs to be treated with like 100% by a priest or something totally if you’re you know whatever Dick Cheney’s repulsive little daughter or Jonah Goldberg or so you know it’s like you’re not they’re just not impressive people they were um exercising Authority far beyond what um they had earned in my view in the first place both are the product of nepotism and they’re just mad that their world ended whatever but here’s the I don’t want to be mean about it though that was mean really mean but true not honest it it was true uh but the in the closing days of the campaign the Harris people kept telling us there were a lot of people like that there were a lot of Republican women who weren’t going to vote for Trump because he’s too repulsive they wouldn’t tell their husbands they wouldn’t tell their husbands and they’re going to vote for KL Harris and it turns out like the never Trump world has gotten so much attention mhm but there’s like no one in with no clothes absolutely there’s no one there totally yeah it was it actually ended up just being a mirage that whole thing at the end started that actually really got under my skin a little bit like the whole thing about go into The Ballot Box and vote differently than your husband like that was a pitch that was made subverting the family subverting the marriage encouraging a spouse to lie yeah you could you could vote differently but like the idea that you want to do it secretly creates the some kind of I mean so it’s it’s the ultimate division play CU identity politics divides US based on it is the division the natural extension division on Race division on gender division on gender within the household because they’re fundamentally against the household as a unit anyway that’s for sure and so that was that was that was probably the thing that pissed me off the most I don’t even understand it I mean I I know someone really well was saying the other day well you know we’re voting differently in our household I I said to my wife if we had we’re going to vote for different people first of all I would say absolutely not we’re not voting for different people sorry that we’re not going to vote if we’re going to vote for different people and second we’re going to take the weekend and talk for as long as it takes to get on the same page yeah and maybe I’ll change my view maybe you’ll change yours but we’re going to align because we’re married yeah I don’t even understand this you’re on the same team the deepest Yeah Yeah so basically they’re encouraging people to not only split the team but to lie about it and actually that so lie to your husband yeah boy that is the Democratic party just distilled it’s the lie to your husband part it’s the weak man unhappy woman party oh makes me there’s something really Sinister about that there is something sinister about it but it it reveals I mean that’s what it’s something sinister about it but it’s also I mean it’s transparently what the agenda is actually yeah and so that was in some ways the tactics of the politics of it revealed a big part of what the whole project like they were always telling you during Co or during the BLM riots the real Insurrection uh which is what that was um you know go home and lecture your Racist uncle or grandfather father at the Thanksgiving T that’s right that’s destroy your family that was again destroy your family over what your what Your ideological obligation is do you think the culture changes I think it I think it has to I mean I think if we get our job right here let’s say we’re just going and dismantling nuke and you know the administrative State actually fixing illegal immigration in this country and actually having secure National borders Reviving our self-confidence I can’t see how the culture doesn’t change and in some ways actually it’s a cultural change that might even just be the wrong framing of it that is a small part of the story I think it some the culture has already changed and the best evidence of that is what we saw the last couple of days what we saw on Tuesday night where by the way at the time you and I scheduled this to sit down I was kind of skeptical because I thought we’re going to be like sitting here looking at like TV screens and like counting ballots in Pennsylvania or something like that which would have been a horrific way to spend time but the fact that we’re not doing that and that very night we actually knew the result in a way that nobody anticipated suggests that we actually have already had the cultural change in this country and it was just revealed to be so whatever happened to Joe Biden is he’s I mean that that I I’m not making fun of him I feel I feel I do I do too but I’ve never seen anyone disappear faster than Joe Biden you never heard a word I wonder what his attitude is towards the Obama family right now towards Barack Obama cuz Joe Biden certainly would have been a more compelling candidate than Hillary Clinton in 2016 and so this guy has had this life dream he’s worked his entire life became a senator was elected like at the age of 30 or 29 or whatever was and then when he’s elected and he was turned 30 who has aspired his entire life over the span of decades beginning long before I was born over 50 years for this for this I mean like significantly longer than I was born this man has been a US senator and aspired to be US president to say that finally when his turn came around in 2015 after Faithfully serving as a vice president or whatever to say that no no no for eight years for eight years going through that ignominy and then to have to have Hillary Clinton say no no no no it’s it’s not your time and then finally he just says okay after Hillary loses I’m just going to do this myself anyway by hell or high water that’s a whole separate discussion gets his way into the White House and then to say the same guy comes back and you know who knows if the if the reporting on this is true but effectively threatens to have him constitutionally removed from office and to Leu unless you bend the knee the same guy only to then watch again the woman instead who this time was nominated last time was Hill Clinton this time it’s K Harris fail at the very mission that you otherwise R I cannot even begin to Fathom what that what that feels like he is surely the happiest person about the election result on Tuesday night in America right because he’s at least personally maybe him or Joe Biden his wife are are the had to have been the two most you know shad and Freud relieved Americans country but it’s it’s it’s in how is he doing I don’t know does that help if you’re going through like a state of cognitive decline does something like that as painful as that is does that sense of agreement and desire for vengeance actually kind of sharpen you maybe it does cuz it did seem like he actually got a little bit sharper actually after he was yanked up it’s like part of him it’s like part of him came back right and so his wife wore red on Election Day oh did she yeah I mean he wore Mah hat into it so you know it’s not like they they were hiding it too much but um you know it’s it’s just a fascinating thing it’s neither critical nor not it’s just it’s just interesting sociologically and just psychologically the rest of the party like if you I mean well you failed you ran for president and didn’t get elected and I know for because I talked to you about it there was a time after where you thought okay you know what did I do right what did I do wrong were you take on a stock of your own behavior because that’s that’s what it is to grow that’s called adulthood yeah is there a moment like that for the Democratic party do you think I think I hope there is actually I’m kind of rooting for that because that’d be better for the country I mean the number one person who’s responsible for whether or not you achieve your goal is you actually there’s a lot of other factors you can blame but yeah the number one determinant of whether you achieve what you set out to achieve is you and that’s applies to the level of an individual and if your team is in a political party in American politics then that’s true for for your team right they they were responsible for their own failure and demise I saw some interesting things over the last day and it hasn’t it hasn’t been as like monolithically crazy as I expected I I expected everybody just in lock step in the same way to go the direction of you know threat to democracy authoritarianism has reached America and we’re seeing certainly a lot of that that’s like 90% of it but I think there were um I think some thoughtful moments of reflection of you know a few folks like I think um I don’t know the guy but someone sent me his tweet um does does elius sound right Mt mtus he he had something thoughtful like I in my campaign I had um I had 10 truths 10 things that are true that I lay out that was kind of the centerpiece of my campaign yeah you might remember they sent it to me he had nine today but like he left like he forgot number 10 was the joke that somebody sent me but actually I read them and it wasn’t they were all smart and reasonable you saw this yeah I don’t like Matt W glacius at all but I say I I I saw I saw this I’m a non-fan and I’m willing to admit that all nine of them were great actually yeah it actually it actually B princi the US government exists for the benefit of its citizens yeah yeah exactly it was stuff that was not too too dissimilar from what you and I might say about our vision for what should be you know I disagree with some of the stuff on there the framing of it he’s what is it he said something about climate change like I just think the whole agenda is is artificial he said well climate change is real but it’s not a goal in itself it is a means to the end of doing what’s better for Humanity and I said that framing was I agree was at least like as a framing matter the right way to look at it and so if that’s evidence to say that even within a period of 48 hours you can at least have thoughtful voices on the other side who are willing to look themselves in the mirror admit failure inquire about the nature of the screw up and maybe even begin to offer some path forward I think that actually leaves me I’m just in a I’m of all the times you and I’ve gotten together I’m probably in like the most hopeful mood I’ve actually ever been in right now and I’m hopeful for the future of the Republican party I’m hopeful for the future of our country but like a weird part of me is almost hopeful for the future of the democratic party based on I agree Oh either that or they’re going to have to go the way of the Harvard and Yale that we talked about earlier either that or they die right so it’s it’s either evolve or die as someone who’s been fired a lot I can say there’s nothing better for you than failure yeah you know there’s it’s in fact it’s essential you yeah because you’ll never reassess you know winning succeeding I I I think exacerbates your worst qualities totally because it covers them up and caus totally it affirms your hubris and like I’m successful cuz I’m so great yeah that’s not entirely true so this time of year we are focused on our families because we’re apt to be with our families celebrating together and it’s the time of year where you might ask yourself what happens when you’re gone What’s Left Behind well protect your family’s future and peace of mind with a product called policy genius policy genius has one goal to make it easy to find and buy life insurance so your loved ones have something when you’re not here something that can use to cover debts and expenses if something unexpected happens because unexpected things do happen with policy genius you don’t need to struggle to do this you can find life insurance 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known him for that long I only got to know him last year he um he came to dinner I was at while I was running for president we really hit it off I um I like people who are extremely intelligent and he is in the category of extreme intelligence he’s somebody who is able to not only able to but requires himself to be doing multiple different things at the same time and he’s better individually at each of those things because he’s also doing those other things at the same time but I think that his significance was um twofold one is he really expanded that permission structure we were talking about earlier for people who are Elite in America people who Define their status based on the number of dollars in their bank account which I think is probably the wrong way to look at your own status as a human being but you know we all have our biases if the richest man in the world and the most successful self-made man in human history can publicly State his support for Donald Trump then there’s nothing stopping me from doing so if I believe that’s the right answer to and he’s pretty darn smart actually so if this guy both can do it from a social perspective but also is as intelligent as he is to send Rockets down space and back more intelligently and the US government has you know ever if he can kind of do the analysis and say that Donald Trump’s going to be the right choice for the future of the country then you know what maybe I should do some simpler thinking of my own and have the courage to arrive at the same place so in terms of blowing out that permission structure like that was certainly what I consider to be one of my responsibilities over the last year but the person who really blew that out Bar None was Elon when he came out publicly endorsed Trump and I love the way he did it because it was clearly he was just moved by the fact that okay he’s maybe thinking about it who knows who knows where exactly he was in his journey right there he and I talked at various points but I don’t know that he was going to come out and publicly endorse Trump in the way he did but there was this Supernatural event I do think it was it was a Divine moment in American history where we averted a natural disast a national Disaster by about 2 centimeters and Elon just said okay it’s done I’m doing this he’s an American hero and I’m endorsing him I thought that was number one number two was on just the execution of it too and this election I mean Pennsylvania was it it turns out Donald Trump would have won regardless but Pennsylvania was the key that allowed us to really secure this Victory and to just go in and say got a lot of political consultants and a lot of people in traditional Republican party apparatuses who have you know tried to figure this stuff out and say no no I’m just actually going to figure out myself directly and understand here’s low propensity voters I’m going to personally go and talk to them myself I’m going to spend nine figures or whatever was in the end I think it was at least nine figures to actually make sure that we get the job done and then get the job done I think was was essential actually to this Victory and so I hope he’s an essential part going forward of saving the country and using this mandate to shred to pieces that Federal bureaucracy you and I talked about earlier and I hope he’s you know doesn’t lose his interest in American politics for a long time to come you know you and I think have been on the side of because because you hear this objection now coming up which actually infuriates me about oh well what about all of a sudden now after 14 years of being silent on this from the left we don’t like this influence of money in politics well okay Trump got outspent three to one exactly three to one exactly exactly in the swing States right so so so long as we have the game and I think that this is something for our side to you know man up into as well is if you’re going to play the game like you got to compete actually and we can’t just win this against the so-called successful or Elites or whatever no like actually we are better off if we have our own Cadre of superhuman Heroes who are able to with their own unique skills be they cultural leaders or Business Leaders or whatever to have our own version of our you know Special Forces especially since nobody I mean I I don’t like most political donors I know them all and most of them have creepy agendas or they just want to be get their picture taken with a politician which is like a very low motive in my view yeah Elon not unique but he’s very unusual in that he doesn’t really want anything yeah he doesn’t really want anything I mean he well he certainly doesn’t need anything that well that’s what I’m saying a lot to lose but he certainly doesn’t no but he doesn’t want anything for himself like he’s not in it obviously not in it for the money yeah and there’s something uniting about it he was not a conservative I mean the whole Trump phenomenon is if you take three steps back unifying yeah I think this a unifying moment Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn voting for Donald Trump you had Muslims in southeast Michigan voting for Donald Trump it was awesome you had sugar cane workers the people who cut the cane in Florida and the people who own the ranches all voting for Donald Trump you had North Georgia you know white rednecks and you had black men in Atlanta all voting for Trump totally and then above them all is Elon Musk who’s like just sort of this figure who’s above politics he’s for Trump I don’t know there’s something yeah it it was it was part of it was it was in some ways um in some ways you could say like you know what was the causal link that he played if you wearing your analytical hat I think it was huge there’s also some broader sense in which this was just destined to happen totally this was all just play out with you like we’re going to have like a false analytical hubris here by just like dissecting exact no no but you’re right it was just it was just all destined to just going to happen and this was all part of it playing out and and you know I like you were there when they won and even even just over the last year I mean I um and you know I’m not meaning would mean to commit the sin of flattering you to your face but I think one of the things I liked about our conversations and you know I um you know I fashion in a fashion myself as as having some of this as well is just having like a little bit of an intuition of where things are are going a little bit like just like just get a pulse of the country and and just sort of see it I think you and I had what conversations over the last year where I think we were both on the same page about early on last year in like spring of 2023 being both convinced that Joe Biden was not going to be the nominee yeah that’s right and that you you said it many times and there’s there’s some darker there’s some darker ones in in that you and I I think sadly um predicted but were wrong about by 2 cm yes exactly thankfully and you know even the idea that this was going to be a landslide you could just sort of feel it right it was just it was just in the ether and so in some sense like at at our at our very best we might kind of smell it coming but it was coming either way no I think that’s and so I think the more we uh remember that that actually is I think what’s uniting actually once you see that that’s really uniting the idea that it’s not being done by us actually it’s being done through us like that’s a liberating feeling and in that s you and I or any other everyday American is United with a you know Elon Musk to Donald Trump like we’re all part of I think a higher plan it’s being done through us this was coming it was going to happen one factor or not and you know in some ways we’re all just playing our little piece of a role in uh in playing out what was going to play out all along I can’t improve on that that’s that’s the greatest 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