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Roger thanks a lot for joining us so here’s how I understood your story this is what I read you are being extradited from Spain an ally in Western Europe a NATO country to the United States by the US justice department to face life in prison 109 years for tax evasion you’re not a US citizen the period that you’re being charged with evading American taxes you are not a US citizen um and so whenever I see a story that says the US government is extraditing somebody for tax evasion to put him in prison for 109 years my first thought is maybe it’s not really about the taxes maybe there’s something more to this story could there be another reason the US government is angry at you and wants to put you in prison for the rest of your life yeah uh to be honest I think they’re not really angry about taxes at all I think they’re just angry about my uh lack of obedience and and lack of you know kissing their ring uh I was the first person in the entire world to start investing in the coin ecosystem and investing in businesses that made it easy for people to use Bitcoin as money and as cash for people all over the world and I was promoting it since 2011 is hey stop using the US dollar stop using Euro stop using Y start using Bitcoin we have an alternative in which each individual anywhere on the planet can be in charge of their own money completely without needing permission from any politician or any government anywhere in the world and when you’re a government that loves controlling people through the control of the money supply that’s very very threatening to their control of the world so of course they didn’t like that at all and uh I knew knew that this sort of thing was dangerous and I thought the safest path for me would be to not be a US citizen so in 2014 I renounced my US citizenship and uh became you know citizen of the world effectively but my new uh nationality is St kits which is a wonderful little island in the Caribbean and I thought that that would be safe uh for me and I could promote Bitcoin from from there and Obey even though I may disagree with plenty of laws I do my best to obey them because I know when you’re and advocating for things that change the world governments don’t like that and they can after you so I told all my tax attorneys and everybody else we have to do everything perfect so there’s no room for the US government to give me a hard time about any of this and more than a decade after I had already renounced my US citizenship and just a couple of weeks after I published a book on the hijacking of Bitcoin how it no longer works as perer to-peer cash for the world and it’s been morphed into to something that is just a digital asset that people are speculating on the price on rather than something that can compete with the US dollar and the Euro and the Yen for use as currency around the world suddenly right after my book gets published that exposes how people claiming to work for intelligence agencies hijacked Bitcoin to do that suddenly I get arrested and tossed in jail uh in Spain and trying to be extra to face more than a hundred years in prison uh I’m 45 today I I think my odds of uh being alive with conventional technology and 10 n years from now aren’t aren’t looking too good so effectively to die in prison is what they want because they’re so upset about the things I’ve been saying and the way I’ve been promoting crypto currency around the world as as the founder of bitcoin.com co-founder of uh xrp and blockchain.com and a bunch of other companies I literally seated the entire first generation of cryptocurrency companies and so they’re furious at me for trying to to have something that can compete with the US dollar as the world’s uh medium of exchange and and currency now I I should just add an editorial comment I mean I you know as I am an American citizen and will remain one I hope um so I’m I’m not against the US dollar in principle it’s that the mismanagement of the US dollar I think by the people in charge of it the US government the Federal Reserve uh has made it kind of a sketchy proposition long term it’s like their mismanagement has forced people to think about Alternatives and one of the the most promising Alternatives was Bitcoin and it was I remember very well since I’m 55 when it first appeared the idea was this is a way for people to conduct business to buy goods and services without being controlled to have as you said control over their own money autonomy and it has become Instead This asset class and I’m very interested in how exactly that happened and so if you wouldn’t mind explaining the thesis of your book what you saw how that happened you say subterfuge by the Intel agencies played a role I’ll stop talking and let you explain what you saw yeah I think to get started on that we’ll have to back up more than 25 years ago so when I was a very young man I ran for political office as a Libertarian in California and uh called for you know lower taxes less government in in every area and everywhere and this was in the year 2000 and uh for those of us that are old enough to remember in the late uh 1990s there was an incident in Waco Texas where there was a religious group there with you know a bunch of adults but a bunch of kids some of them you know three four five years old like little kids and uh even if the parents were religious nuts the ATF and FBI literally burnt to death everybody in their their home there and then posed for photos on top of the the corpses of of little kids and that sort of thing is not okay and the FBI and ATF for a bunch of murderers for murdering kids and even if the parents are you know doing something illegal you don’t murder the kids over that and that’s exactly what they did and so in the debate with the Republican and the Democratic candidates I called the ATF a bunch of murderers that they are for having done that and boy did they not like that I was a 20 21 year old kid that had seven or eight employees my business was starting to take off and I wound up being the only person in the entire world to be prosecuted for selling a firecracker on eBay even though tons of other resellers were selling it Cabella Goods catalog was selling it these were being sold all over the place I was literally the only person in the entire history of the world to be prosecuted for selling those without a permit and uh it wasn’t about the fact that IID sold them without a permit it was they were mad about the things that I had said and they even said as much in one of the the discussions with my attorneys and the prosecutors and the ATF agents the ATF agent literally at one point he pounded his hand on the table said you didn’t hear the things that he said referring to me calling them murderers for liter and if if you burn to death a bunch of kids You’re a murderer and that’s exactly what they did and so I I wound up actually signing a plea deal uh to do 10 months in federal prison if I had taken it to trial and lost which I would have because I was guilty of the laws written I I sold firecrackers without a license um I would have done seven or eight years in prison and so at that point I I no longer felt safe in the US I had been you know politically persecuted already and so literally the day I was allowed to leave the US I left but the way I became a Libertarian I I wasn’t born a Libertarian I started somehow I found a book by lud V misis and then you know found some uh Milton Freedman and then later David Freedman and then Murray rothbart is the author that really changed my life and it was just music to my ears recently hearing uh mle down in Argentina talking about how muray rothbart was also one of the economists that influenced his life the most and I want to urge anybody pick up anything by Murray rothar it’ll change your entire view of the world but in these books on economics I learned about the origin of money and how something comes to be used as money and it has to be durable easily divisible it has to be uh portable uh it has to be easily recognizable has to be difficult to counterfeit it has to have these certain characteristics that make it usable as money and so I read these economics books I thought okay that makes sense that sounds plausible but then when I went to federal prison inside prison everybody’s using things as money everybody’s buying and selling things with each other and the things they’re using are tobacco postage stamps and Top Ramen soups and if you think about it all those things have those characteristics they’re easily transportable they’re durable they’re easily recognizable they all have some additional use case right you can mail a letter you can eat the soup you can smoke the tobacco and all those things just naturally without any order from a guard or any inmate or anybody they just naturally come to be used as money and so then we fast forward uh more than a decade later there uh Bitcoin came along and I had the the theoretical knowledge from from the books that I had read and I had the Practical experience from my time in prison there was no doubt in my mind whatsoever that people were going to start using Bitcoin as money and so I thought oh this is every libertarian dream come true suddenly now we’re going to have a choice and I’m not against the US dollar or the Yen or the Euro I’m pro-choice I think people should be able to choose what form of money they want to use and whether it’s the dollar the Euro or the Yen or Bitcoin or some other cryptocurrency out there I think people deserve the the right to have that choice and uh and I want to see that enabled and so when Bitcoin came along the first step was for me to buy a bunch of Bitcoin I I bought my first Bitcoin when they were less than a dollar each and then my business memory dealers.com became the first established business in the entire world to start accepting Bitcoin for payments and we started advertising we we accept Bitcoin not a single customer paid us initially in Bitcoin but it got worldwide media attention for the first time and I remember it was in June of 2011 and in the course of two maybe three weeks the price of Bitcoin went from around $3 a Bitcoin to $30 a Bitcoin and that was the first time uh in the history of Bitcoin up to that point in which it started to get some worldwide media attention and what an interesting thing happened so the main discussion form where everybody up to that point was talking about Bitcoin was a website called bitcointalk.org and suddenly when it was getting some media attention around the world and international newspapers this forum that had worked wonderfully up to that point where people could discuss things became flooded with Bots just posting comments that were just you know fluff and made literally they they dosed the for to the point that it was unusable and anybody that came there because they heard about Bitcoin in the media that week they they weren’t able to learn about it because there’s just so many posts saying you know Buy sell oh no and just just saying nothing of any substance whatsoever so somebody out there literally made the form unusable as early as 2011 uh and around that same time we already know that the CIA was interested in Bitcoin because they’re asking different Bitcoin developers to hey can you explain Bitcoin to us so way back when the vast majority of the world hadn’t even heard of Bitcoin yet the CIA was looking into it and somebody was actively preventing it from spreading as quickly as it otherwise could have by by shutting down the form effectively when so many new people were coming to bitcoin to learn about it for the first time and in the early days everybody knew though Bitcoin was supposed to be money for the world Bitcoin was supposed to be used for payments is peer-to-peer cash for the world and that’s how people were using it and you know I was doing payroll in it and I was paying my suppliers overseas I I hosted the first Bitcoin meet up ever in China about it like I was really doing my best to spread this all over the world including you know paying for National radio ads uh for it like it was really really spreading but then later uh in I believe 2012 uh a person using the name John Dylan who claimed to work for uh intelligence spent more than $10,000 I I I forget the exact amount but significant sum of money to start producing propaganda to trick people into thinking that by keeping the blocks on bitcoin small it would become make it more decentralized and literally the exact opposite of the truth the exact opposite of the way Satoshi Nakamoto the creator of Bitcoin designed it and promoted it in the exact opposite of the way that people were using it and nobody believed the propaganda initially but then later this giant wave of censorship took place Anonymous people that nobody knows their real names managed to get control of all the main discussion platforms for coin and then suddenly one day overnight nobody was even allowed to advocate for Bitcoin being used as money uh and they they censored anybody that tried to do that and initially everybody saw through it but then everybody that came to bitcoin after the censorship began they just started believing it and and today the main people that are out there promoting Bitcoin they literally say oh Bitcoin shouldn’t compete with the US dollar Bitcoin you shouldn’t use it as money you shouldn’t use it to pay for things like Bitcoin is just a digital asset you should just hold it and it’s the exact opposite they they through the censorship and the propaganda they’ve literally hijacked Bitcoin and I literally wrote an entire book about it uh you can find more at hijacking bitcoin.com it’s available on Amazon and everywhere else and lo and behold just a couple of weeks after the the the book is published I get arrested and now I’m facing 109 years in in federal prison for having exposed the way in which Bitcoin was hijacked and you you can think all day long that the the new version of Bitcoin that that people are promoting is better okay but you can’t admit that it wasn’t hijacked and luckily now we have thousands of different crypto currencies and I support competition right I’m not I was never a Bitcoin maximalist or any other cryptocurrency maximalist I’m a utilitarian Freedom maximalist whatever gives the most utility and is the most useful for the most people around the world to improve their lives and create more economic freedom that leads to more economic growth that’s what I want to be out there and promote to the world so bunch of questions but let’s just begin with the core promise of Bitcoin as we both remember vividly was that I would be able to conduct transactions by goods and services is privately without Federal control that there was a there was anonymity because it was digital um and I could sort of have freedom uh in the things that I bought how exactly did they control conversation about that you say that they censored the the discussion boards can you explain exactly how that works so there were two main discussion platforms for everybody was talking about Bitcoin and that one was called bitcointalk.org and then another was our Bitcoin on Reddit and everybody was busy talking about Bitcoin in those places and the same Anonymous individual managed to get moderator ship position or ownership of both of those forums and one day he decided to turn on the censorship and they would ban anybody that would uh State anything that wasn’t wasn’t in line with the you know small block propaganda about Bitcoin and when the censorship first began people started a thread on Reddit complaining about about the censorship at that point it was the most upvoted thread ever in the entire history of that Bitcoin subreddit and what did they do they then deleted that post as well and banned the people that were participating in that post and the censorship still goes on to this very day if you go on our Bitcoin or Bitcoin talk.org and post anything in favor of Bitcoin being able to scale to be money for the world they will ban your account and uh it’s really really a shame because so the average person that’s involved in Bitcoin today they just see oh the price is about $100,000 each and and Michael sailor’s talking about you know pay your taxes and don’t don’t be inflammatory uh don’t compete with the US dollar that’s going to make visa and MasterCard and the the government angry don’t do any of that he’s saying literally the exact opposite of what everybody was saying in the beginning of Bitcoin which is like this finally gives people a choice as to what form of money they were to use and so imagine if everybody was using Bitcoin as money in Commerce to you know do their payroll and buy things online and pay for everything how would the US government be able to give billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine when most people don’t want that to happen how would they be able to spend billions and billions of dollars on all these Foreign Wars that most people don’t want to be able to have happen they wouldn’t be able to just inflate it out of thin air suddenly government would be much much more accountable to the people and you know they teach everybody in school oh government you know government works for the people well if people were using a hard asset cryptocurrency as money in everyday life government really would have to be much more accountable to the people than they are today and that’s why government doesn’t want that so that’s why they’ve been doing everything they can to subvert Bitcoin and prevent people from being able to use cryptocurrencies as money in daily life whether it’s from tax policy or tax reporting or or exit taxes or anything else they’re making it as difficult as possible in fact even even the people that are in the studio here that were recording this with I offered to pay them in cryptocurrency the reason they didn’t want it is because they’re scared of the tax ramifications around it because government’s going to lose control of the money supply and if they lose control of the money supply they lose control of most of their control of society but if you believe in individual rights and individual freedom and people being in charge of their own destiny it’s a wonderful thing when government loses the ability to control people’s lives and that’s why I’m so excited about Bitcoin and I’ve been involved almost you know 15 years and I’ve been promoting cryptocurrencies as currency for people worldwide whether you’re you know it’s stuck in Spain a waiting extradition or in the US or or anywhere else on the planet cryptocurrencies is for everybody and they they need to go head-to-head and compete with the US dollar and the Euro and the Yen and the ruble and everything else because when people have more choices their lives are better off and it results in more economic freedom more economic 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square.com Tucker so the original promise was Bitcoin will make you free and then it became quickly through subversion Bitcoin will make you rich and that was enough to kind of derail the promise I should note that you are rich from Bitcoin I mean and you could very easily kind of not say anything and just be happily rich with Bitcoin because you bought a lot of it ear um and so it sounds like your ideological commitment is overriding your financial interests it’s not not even close for me so like uh I was a multi-millionaire before Bitcoin had ever even been invented I had my own tech companies in Silicon Valley that had done very well for me uh lots of people talk about oh win win Lambo and I’m going to sell my Bitcoin and buy a Lambo I had had multiple Lamborghinis before Bitcoin had ever even been invented when Bitcoin came along I was such a big believer in Bitcoin that I sold my Lamborghini to buy more Bitcoin that’s how excited I was about this philosophically and emotionally and and intellectually because this is literally one of the best tools the world has ever seen to give individuals more control over their own lives and so I was headed in the exact opposite direction of most of the people are involved in Bitcoin today uh I I was selling things to buy more Bitcoin because I knew this was going to become money for the world and today maybe it’ll be Bitcoin maybe it’ll be a different cryptocurrency but cryptocurrencies are still certainly the the way of the future and and have the and remember today it’s 2024 when Bitcoin first came out there was no Apple pay there was no zel there was barely any of this thing like there was almost no competition but government successfully delayed the adoption of cryptocurrency so that now suddenly the traditional Financial systems had a chance to catch up and and get a lot more done and uh and it it’s just really really frustrating because life is short as as as anybody you know as each year goes by they go by faster and faster and there’s less and less of each of our lifespans left we need the benefits brought by cryptocurrency as soon as possible and we know all the benefits for the world as soon as possible like let’s not waste time yet that’s exactly what governments around the world have been doing they’ve been delaying and uh hindering the adoption of cryptocurrency is money which is literally delaying the progress of all of humankind and all of human society and it’s really frustrating to to see that happen the most frustrating uh part from my perspective is the inability to use cryptocurrency apparently with any privacy I mean that that is the core promise I’ll be you know I earned the money didn’t do anything wrong and I would like to buy something that’s sort of no one’s business uh whether I’m buying it or not and I would like to do that in privacy I don’t think that’s a a weird thing to want it’s a human thing to want and is that possible is my question is is it now possible to conduct any kind of business with crypto anonymously so in the early days everybody thought Bitcoin was basically Anonymous and people treated it that way and then websites came up that were selling things that the governments might not necessarily want you to buy and people were using Bitcoin for that because they thought it was basically Anonymous and then later on we found out that it wasn’t Anonymous at all but additional steps were taken to make Bitcoin even less Anonymous and today most people are just using custodial wallets which are you know it’s not even a wallet it’s just an account and it’s no more private than your you know Bank of America or or PayPal account in fact it’s even less private than those things because anybody can take a look at the blockchain and see what’s there but luckily there’s other cryptocurrencies out there that do give people more privacy so there’s things like Monero which most people are now using uh if they want some privacy but there’s even more exciting techn IES and coins out there there’s another one called Zeno that allows anybody to create their own privacy token in which nobody can see what’s going on and if you really want to get the the threel agencies upset or government’s upset there’s a project called confidential layer which is creating a bridge from Bitcoin Bitcoin cash and ethereum onto Zeno so you can take Bitcoin with no privacy at all or ethereum with no privacy at all and Bridge it permissionless Le with no custodian and no central point of attack onto Zeno and when it’s on Zeno you have very very strong privacy with that as well and so I think that’s going to make a whole lot more privacy come to the entire uh cryptocurrency ecosystem but governments are going to hate that like a Manero that I mentioned before it’s preemptively banned from being listed on most exchanges in in most of the world at this point and that’s simply because governments have much less of an ability to spy on people that are using things like Monero or Xeno and that’s why I’m a big fan of things like Monero or or Xeno today and in fact today I would be embarrassed to promote I am embarrassed to promote Bitcoin to people today because the trans are slow expensive unreliable and you have no privacy I’d be proud to promote something like a Monero or a Zeno or a zcash or a zcoin or any of these privacy tools out there because those are the ones that provide more individual control to people and more privacy and more economic freedom to people over the world people are claim that Bitcoin is freedom money but I’m really afraid that they’re literally building the financial Prison Walls around themselves like if you look at what’s going on in El Salvador everybody’s excited about Bitcoin there but they’re all using custodial accounts that the government can see every single transaction you’re making and can freeze your account at any time that’s the exact opposite of economic freedom that’s economic government control and so anybody that’s paying attention should be really really concerned about this and they should be advocating the use of cryptocurrencies in which individuals can actually have control of their own money and have control over their own lives their own destiny and I maybe that’ll be Bitcoin thanks to this new technology called confidential layer that Bridges it onto Zeno but uh and I don’t know what it’s going to be but like we need to be really really careful because you know It could wind up that we’ve before we know it and before before we realize it we built the financial Prison Walls around us and it’s too late to get out and too late to escape so let’s uh let’s be aware of this today and uh and and you know watch out a lot of people in the crypto world I think are admirable people I I’m friends with some of them one you mentioned actually people I uh like and admire and largely agree with but I’m a little bit confused as to why you’re the only person I’ve ever heard say what you just said why aren’t the people promoting various cryptocurrencies also sounding the alarm that none of the transactions you conduct using these currencies are private in fact they’re very easily trackable by government why is nobody saying that because the censorship and propaganda Works uh lots of people are saying that but very few people other than myself have a big enough platform or allowed enough voice to get much attention and because I had such a big you know platform and big voice boom suddenly I’m looking at 109 years in prison I I don’t think that’s a coincidence at all and uh again if the this the solution to ideas or people saying things that you don’t agree with is more debate and more discussion and more free speech whereas the the most of the people promoting Bitcoin at this point they’ve taken the exact opposite they’ve been supporting the the propaganda and the censorship which uh you know I’m on the exact opposite in fact initially when the debate started happening as to what should be the proper scaling method for Bitcoin my heart was already on what was called like the big block side but I wanted to be open to the other arguments and so I was just quiet and started listening and as I tried to listen suddenly one side started to try and censor the other side and I already knew I was on the the side of free speech so as soon as one side tried to censor the other side I knew okay it’s time for me to speak up now I’m on the side of free speech and I’m on the side of of Bitcoin being able to scale in the original way that that uh you know the Bitcoin white paper described as peer-to-peer cash for the entire world that’s very different than just the speculative asset and everyone today’s excited bitcoin’s about almost $100,000 maybe it would have been $100,000 half a decade ago if it hadn’t been hijacked and hadn’t been destroyed its usefulness Ash cast for the world so uh you need to look at what’s seen and what’s not seen and what we today okay it’s close to $100,000 what’s not seen is what it could have been if companies like Microsoft and Expedia and these other big companies around the world didn’t have to stop accepting Bitcoin because of its slow transaction fees uh slow transaction times and unreliable transactions and lack of privacy as well so it’s uh really uh disappointing but uh thank you for giving me a platform to help Sound the Alarm because I don’t want to see the entire world wind up imprisoning themselves inside of some sort of a you know Financial prison that they’re building even if it has a cool sounding name like Bitcoin who is Satoshi I don’t know and uh very if anybody knows I’m not aware of that but whoever he is or wherever he is he literally invented one of the most important things in the entire history of humankind up there on par with how important the invention of electricity or the transistor or the internet was it really is one of the most world changing Technologies ever and so whoever he is wherever he is or or they are or she is they deserve their privacy because clearly that what’s that’s what they want so it it doesn’t sound like you’re suspicious that Bitcoin was created by the Intel agencies as way as a kind of trap for people I I don’t I don’t think it was created that way initially but I am suspicious and I do think that the intell agencies and and other groups have converted it and hijacked it into becoming a financial trap I I just want to apologize by the way we were LA or I was laughing off camera saying you’re such you’re so great at explaining this no wonder they want to put you in prison I shouldn’t have laughed at that it’s sort of an awful thing to say because they actually are trying to put you in prison um and so rather than making fun of something so awful I would love to know if you think you’re actually going to go to prison I mean is there any way to stop this yeah there’s a lot of ways to stop this but the the most useful way I think is to get the the public to speak out right like uh the more people that speak out the the safer all of us can be and so one of the the most egregious things here too is like the IRS with guns on their hips they literally showed up at my attorney’s office and my accountants office they raided my attorney office right you’re not supposed to be able to do that in the US like you’re supposed to be able to to talk to your attorneys and that’s supposed to be private and so uh all the information is available uh over at uh a website that supporter set up at Freer Roger now.org they uh recently filed what’s called a motion to dismiss where you can literally see for your with your own eyes the uh the US government is literally lying in their indictment and the proof is up there with the emails between myself and my attorneys you can go and see I please go take a look at it don’t take my word for it like take a look at that motion to dismiss they’re lying they’re lying to the court in Spain they’re just lying every which way because they don’t want the world to know the truth about cryptocurrencies that they can be used to empower individuals to have control over their own lives beyond the control of you know politicians who have never met you and they don’t know about you in your life and most of them don’t care about you one bit so like the fact that now people anywhere on the planet have access to money that can they can use it to escape inflation or they can use it to escape other you know opary tactics uh cryptocurrency is an amazing amazing tool for Freedom around the world and governments are the opposite of Freedom they don’t like having more freedom and that’s why they don’t like cryptocurrency and that’s why they’re they’re trying to shut me up I I I I wish I had even more hard proof but I I don’t think it’s a coincidence they arrested me as soon as my book came out and I was about to go on a big media tour promoting the fact that Bitcoin has been hijacked and suddenly they have me arrested and tossed into jail for a month in in uh in Barcelona and they were Furious that I got out on bail but this is the first media interview I’ve done since I’ve been out I’ve been out over six months now uh this is a really really big deal for the entire world this isn’t just an American thing this is literally affects every single person on the planet and so like another example of that is you know Apple people over the world use iPhones Apple’s an American company but it affects every single person on the planet every year new Apple products come out people over the planet that aren’t Americans also get to benefit from it Americans get to benefit from it everybody gets to benefit from it it’s the same with cryptocurrencies everybody on the planet even if it’s somebody working on it in in the US or Spain or somewhere else everybody on the planet gets to benefit from it and uh and you know and by benefiting from it I mean they get to have more control over their own lives their own finances and their own Financial sovereignty governments hate that that’s why they’re trying to stop it and and that’s why they don’t want you to read hijacking Bitcoin so you can hear with you know citations for everything how Bitcoin was hijacked and people are promoting it today is literally the exact opposite of what it started out as do you remember when Democrats used to refer to abortion as something that should be safe legal and rare well they’ve changed their view on that it went from a right to a Sacrament this isn’t the pro-choice movement you may remember from 30 years ago this is something much darker and that’s why we have joined forces with pre-born they’re a sponsor of the show and of our speaking tour to do something about it’s the largest pro-life organization in the United States and they are doing what they should do which is speaking up against this atrocity killing babies after birth no one seems to have The Bravery to call that wrong 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the extradition request I mean the US government just sent $100 billion to Ukraine without an audit to the most corrupt country in Europe h100 billion didn’t even bother to audit it you know and a huge percentage is being stolen we know that they don’t care so the idea the US government is so upset that you a non-citizen didn’t pay us taxes which you’re not even obligated to pay is like absurd on its face how did the Spanish government participate in what’s obviously a grotesque miscarriage of Justice why would they play along with that if I can interject not only are they mad about the the taxes I wasn’t an American and I wasn’t living in the US right this is like it’s so cra I was not an American not living in the US they’re claiming I owe them more US taxes on the Bitcoin like it’s just absolute in insanity but if you look at it when there’s a political persecution they just have to make stuff up so they can grab the people and the most common way they do it is they use the government tax code because it’s so incredibly complicated even people that want to comply with every last little detail and H the best professionals like I did myself it’s it’s it’s too complicated they they they can get you they want you and that’s what they do time and time again and so in regards to the Spanish government I have an amazing attorney here Haim comper I I’m really hoping that he’s uh G to be successful here he’s optim optimistic about the whole situation but you don’t know and it’s a really terrifying way to live dayto day uh if I win and the Spain decides not to extradite me they’ll send me or my attorney a letter and say congratulations you’re you’re not being extradited if I lose and they decide to extradite me they don’t tell me in advance they’ll just be a knock at my door one morning and they’ll they’ll grab me and they’ll put me in jail jail and uh I’ll I’ll have zero notice whatsoever I won’t won’t be able to return the rental car or or tell the landlord or anything else to literally just come to my house grab me one morning and I won’t know in advance which morning it’s going to be it’ll just happen one morning and so it’s not a fun way to live dayto day knowing if this is your last day you know not in prison potentially for the rest of your entire life and uh so but I I’m I’m cautiously optimistic that Spain will be able to see through this and see that what a politically motivated persecution this is by by a bunch of people that are just you know jealous like if I hadn’t been treated so fairly politically the last time around when I ran for political office and tried to change the system within I’d still be you know a proud flag waving American today and I still the values of my heart are still some of the most American values there are and if you think about it people say oh you renounced your US citizen ship that’s not very patriotic are you kidding that’s exactly the values that America was founded on it was a bunch of British people that renounced their citizenship and said I don’t like the laws you guys are passing I’m not going to be a part of this anymore so renouncing your sh citizenship is actually one of the most patriotic American esque things you can possibly do and uh I I hope the Spanish government will be able to see like I’ve been out there you know speaking out to the world about the benefits of cryptocurrency the US government has the most to lose because the dollar is the world Reserve currency so they like it less than even other governments this is clearly a politically motivated persecution and and uh my my my uh my faith and and hope and and you know my my dreams are with the Spanish government to to not exite me at this point and I hope they do the right thing and they can see what’s going on but uh I also you know have maybe I can beat the whole thing at trial as well but uh you know you never know you’re rolling the dice there even though I’m completely Innocent but we also could uh have the the Department of Justice nus just drop all the charges because it’s completely I’m completely innocent and uh we literally fought this thing all the way to the Supreme Court and regards to my attorney client privilege documents uh when they finally finally got access to those documents they were probably mad because it was me literally telling my attorneys do everything perfectly do everything perfectly I don’t want to have any problems and so they had a big giant let down so there was this Supreme Court case in regards to myself people need to understand how insane it is that the IRS raided my tax attorney uh their their office how can you raid someone’s attorney’s office to violate attorney client privilege in the US that’s the stuff that all the US propaganda wants you to believe goes on in Russia all the time in other countries but they’re doing it right you know right there at home in in where I was born and raised in the United States of America it’s insane that that’s going on so President Biden can do the right thing he just recently you know pardoned his son he can imp uh he can issue a preemptive pardon for me Trump when he gets into office if anybody knows what it’s like to be the victim of law fair it’s Trump so I think he’ll be able to see it uh in this case as well he can issue a preemptive pardon for me as well and a bunch of other people that deserve it I’m I’m not the only one right there’s a whole long list of people out there that have been the victim of law fair and uh more often than not it’s people that are engaged in something that the US doesn’t like politically and uh if you if you rock the boat uh and the Deep State doesn’t like it they’re going to come after you and uh I’m just one more in that long long long list of people that they’ve uh they’ve attacked and and trying to destroy their lives if if I wasn’t in this business I wouldn’t believe any of this I wouldn’t think anything you were saying was true I’ve just seen it so often Ju Just a specific point are you allowed to leave Spain or are you imprisoned by Spain can you can you leave the country so uh no not only can I not leave the country I’m on a island in Spain off the coast of Spain called mayorca I’m not even allowed to leave this island I’m not allowed to go on a boat I’m not allowed to do anything and uh every 48 hours I have to check in with the court and show them my ID and prove that I didn’t run away and again any day could be my last year if they decide they are going to extradite me they’ll just show up unannounced and and arrest me here in Spain and put me back in the Spanish prison and then at some point ship me to the US uh prison as well and so that’s like a a pretty nerve-wracking way to to live day after day uh here in Spain so I’m uh Spain’s a wonderful country but I would love to be here voluntarily what it’s it’s shocking that Spain can act as the jailers for the US government on trans apparently fake charges what’s so you already spent a month in Spanish prison what was that like uh my Spanish is certainly better than it was before that happened I bet you know prison slang yeah and actually because I’m such a you know cleancut well spoken guy there were uh a couple of other people in the prison started to think I must be some sort of an American undercover spy spying on the prison so like some of the other inmates were really wary of me and didn’t want to speak to me and luckily nobody you know found out who I was or what my role was in regards to to cryptocurrency but uh some people were awfully suspicious of me and uh I was very glad to to get out when I finally did and the US government was very angry that they granted me bail here in Spain they wanted to hold me in jail in Spain the entire time in a country you know I I think this was only the second time I’d ever even visited Spain ever I thought I was only going to be here for four days there was there was a cryptocurrency conference about privacy cryptocurrencies here about Z and Monero and things like that I thought I was just going to be here for that and I was in the hotel lobby uh after the conference and some guy I didn’t know came up to me with a thick Spanish accent said are you Roger Vier and I saides and Roger V yes and like three or four times back and forth and when I finally convinced him that I was Roger Veer and that we had overcome the language bar and I thought he was a crypto guy and wanted to ask for like a you know AutoCraft copy of my book or talk about crypto or something then he pulled out his badge and said that he has an interpole arrest warrant they arrested me right there in the in the lobby of the hotel in Barcelona and and you know hauled me off to jail in Spain and uh boy was I not expecting uh that one bit to to happen and talk about having your world turned upside down but it just makes me even more motivated because cryptocurrencies are such an powerful powerful tool for every human being on the planet how could I not be quiet about spreading this good message to everybody uh around the world so uh congratulations America you made me even more motivated to spread cryptocurrency adoption to the world that is just one of the craziest stories I think I’ve ever heard uh Roger godspeed we are just rooting for you fervently and I I hope this helps in some small way um anyway you’re you’re in our thoughts thank you my pleasure Tucker and if I can ask people that uh want to show their support please head over to Freer Roger now.org and I would deeply appreciate that thank you good [Music] luck so it turns out that YouTube is suppressing our show I know shocking that in an election year with everything at stake Google would be putting its thumb on the scale and preventing you from hearing anything that the people in charge don’t want you to hear but it turns out it’s happening so what can you do about it well we could whine about it that’s a waste of time I’m not in charge of Google or 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