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well last week Donald Trump kind of shocked the world when he held a press conference with the head of open AI chat GPT and Oracle head Larry Ellison among others to roll out what looked like an AI mRNA technology project to the tune of $500 billion to which all many of us in this community said hold on a second what the hell just happened here who who got in president Trump’s ear and said that this was okay to do one of the outspoken critics of all of this is Dr Robert Malone the creator of the technology behind mRNA and uh wrote a couple of really interesting pieces about this he is the author of Lies my government told me and S war of course Dr Robert Malone was completely silenced when he was outspoken about the covid vaccine banned blocked totally deplatform censored and he joins me now uh to talk about all of this plus rfk’s uh you know confirmation hearings this week a lot going on in the health space Dr Robert Malone good to see you again welcome back to the show glad to be back on again it’s been a long time since we chatted yeah great to have you here and you’ve been really sounding the alarm about this what we saw last week with Larry Ellison and Sam Alman and there’s been a lot of criticism about President Trump holding that press conference about mRNA technology a lot of Mega supporters coming out and saying if Trump backs mRNA vaccines at this level with using AI he’s going to lose his base so what was your initial reaction when you saw this press conference well as I put in the essay I threw up a little bit in my throat I I couldn’t believe I was having Larry Ellison lecture me and the rest of us on cancer vaccines and frankly what he said was grossly naive we recently had a a little conclave of some senior experienced uh cancer vaccine researchers that have been in this space for decades I’ve been kind of peripherally involved for decades and we all agreed that this is nonsense this is gibberish but I think we got to unpack this a little deeper What in in and I think to do so helps make sense out of this uh really shocking press conference that occurred uh a day after uh the president uh became the president which was amazing in and of itself amazing failure of narrative control if nothing else and awareness of what his base is all about or at least a fraction of it so Donald Trump absolutely wants to see the uh American development of advanced artificial intelligence capabilities now I don’t know if he’s thought through what that really means about General AI autonomous General AI the the uh Singularity risk of uh a machine intelligence that far surpasses human intelligence which many perceive is on the immediate Horizon but he’s enamored of artificial intelligence and one of the reasons I think is because right now many people believe the CCP and China are further along in AI technology than the United States is and rolled out a big big project over the past 24 hours in AI that’s kind of shocked a lot of people that right in many ways in many ways TR many ways Trump’s what the United States has so uh I’m told by uh folks that participated in the prior Administration I’m not going to name their names that Ellison has long had a really easy access into uh the White House in Mr Trump’s Administration prior Administration so they’re basically buddies uh long-standing relationship uh clearly Donald Trump got pitched something that he wanted to hear anyhow which was this uh Stargate program now let’s unpack what Stargate is Stargate is not uh built to be an engine for Aid driven mRNA vaccine uh cancer vaccine development Stargate is built to become a major basically server hub for advancing artificial uh intelligence technology and by the way it’s calculated that its energy requirements to support this are going to be about the same level as the natural gas utilization for the entire state of Texas these things are incredibly energy intensive so uh and you know the discussion is that there’s basically going to be nuclear power plants uh cited at these major uh um hubs that’s that’s how they are proposing to solve that little problem what I saw in looking more carefully and considering what went down was that Larry was there to pitch this new initiative Stargate initiative in artificial intelligence and the uh half trillion dollar investment remember Donald Trump also pitched this to the world economic Forum when he gave his speech the other day he mentioned the same program but he didn’t talk about cancer vaccines he just talked about the artificial intelligence and half trillion dollar investment I think what happened was that Ellison basically pitched a storyline that was intended to uh you know giving him the benefit of the doubt it was intended to serve as some easy justification that he thought the average person can relate to remember Larry and these other guys are all in on transhumanism they they believe that transhumanism is the future they want to be part of that transhuman transition which is fundamentally antihuman they want want they believe that the human species will go extinct and will be supplanted by machine-based intelligence and you better get on board with it now that’s basically their frame of reference and I’ve posted about this and what I think it’s fundamentally narcissistic it is it is wrapped around the idea that somehow immortality can be achieved by uploading your Consciousness or your soul onto some digital Avatar and then that will free you up to explore the universe and whatever other wonderful things they do it reminds me of years ago remember Walt Disney had his head cryogenically preserved there was a period of time when the rich were all fascinated with cryogenic preservation as a way to deal with death right and their fear of death and I think that transhumanism is the new embodiment of this but in any case I think Larry went off script and what he recited was basically the m business plan that failed remember madna was almost broke before the covid crisis hit and it got basically subsidized and rescued by uh whoever was behind all of that uh we could speculate certainly Tony Fouch vaccine research uh Center was was part of that but uh they you know inel is funding new plants uh for madna etc etc there’s deep intelligence ties here so I think what really happened is that Larry went off script and basically pitched a storyline that he thought would hit right at the heart of Donald Trump’s Sweet Spot remember Donald Trump is still Allin on RNA vaccines that this was a great success that operation warp speed was one of his greatest achievements uh and he will not hear anything else I can tell you from multiple people that have tried to discuss it with him he’s dug in on this one this is not subject to negotiation and so it hit all of the Donald Trump hot buttons major investment artificial intelligence mRNA oh and curing cancer something that Biden with his moonshot initiatives completely failed to do right and so there’s a there’s a little dig at Joe Biden and uh then you know was pitched all with fancy words that anybody that’s been in this field over the last 40 years knows is completely disconnected from the reality of where the science has gone so that’s my I think got wound up for no good reason here well I mean you were the creator of the technology behind mRNA technology so you understand this better than just about anybody so when he was up there saying we you use this mRNA technology to Target individual indiv you know human beings and eradicate cancer because it’s all personalized we’re going to use AI to do this why is he wrong about that what what what was a red flag to you so number one I’ve had multiple clients in the uh computational Immunology space for decades this turns out to be extremely complex humans are outbred and not to go into the details but the molecules involved in antigen presentation which is what we’re talking about the ability to circumvent the immunosuppression that occurs with cancer with Advanced stage cancer the cancer is really a problem of a failure of immune suppression and underlying that is some really complex Immunology that we still don’t understand so what Larry is pitching is the idea that we can use computational Immunology just with a little better computational tool artificial intelligence and it’s already been used with supercomputers and you know whatever the latest generation of whizbang is in the it space but he’s saying that we can use AI to somehow predict the antigens based on sequence analysis of circulating cells which by the way it’s only a subset of cancers that have those peripheral tumor cells circulating so he didn’t tell us that part um and it turns out that the problem is not identifying antigens the problem is understanding how those tumor cells are evading the immune response now if Larry was to have said hey we’re going to use AI to try to sort out what’s going on in terms of cancer Immunology I would have said amen hallelujah fantastic but instead he pitched this really simple story and it’s our we’ve already beaten this horse it’s been used in horses in dogs in humans for decades trying to come up with personalized cancer vaccines and it just doesn’t work there was hope with melanoma but then that didn’t play out either so what he’s pitching us here is something that has been tried in a bunch of different ways and it’s based on Core Concepts that have been around for decades and uh adding in the the little sexy words of artificial intelligence and Rapid mRNA manufacturing which by by the way we would be talking about something that is a strong six figure cost and also by the way personalized medicine and personalized vaccines are not something that the FDA likes very much they’ve got all kinds of obstacles to doing this so bottom line was it what got spun Was Naive at best duplicitous at worst even worst appears to have been designed to hit hit Trump’s hot buttons and it’s just not going to happen on our side people are getting all spun up about stuff that I think you know a case can be even made um now this is this is we’re going into conspiracy land here but if you wanted to trigger and uh fracture the Maha Coalition away from Donald Trump this is pretty much Pitch Perfect you couldn’t have imagined a better scop than this in order to achieve that so is Larry playing a double game I have no idea but I do know that what he spun to the public if you look at the Dynamics there Trump I don’t see any sign in the body language that Trump knew this was coming if you look at the full video clip you’ve got Larry basically interjecting himself he saying but wait a minute I want to tell you the good news the thing that we can do with this is and then he deploys this bombshell that alerts everybody and gets folks so spun up uh and it I don’t see any sign that this was something that Susie WS or whomever in The Press Room had vetted I think it was just sprung out of nowhere uh by Larry um as you know the as I said the kind EST thing we could say was that it was his attempt to somehow pitch how a massive half trillion dollar artificial intelligence investment would have a benefit to the common person and he’s just to you know again giving the benefit of the doubt maybe he was just toned deaf that this is an issue that is such a hot button for the Maha movement that’s fascinating I think the conspir you know conspiracies are welcome on our show of course and I think that that’s that could be the case here because you saw a major fracturing in the base among the Maha movement and Ma Mega supporters saying no no no no if you’re pushing operation warp speed 2.0 we’re out of here we’re out of here yeah and I saw lot last week on our show many people in our chat room who are watching right now were saying the only reason I voted for Trump was because of Robert F Kennedy Jr and his addition to this and where has he been he’s been silent of course he’s gone through his confirmation hearings this week but there’s been sort of radio silence on that and uh that’s going to happen this week I want to get your take on what we could expect to see in these confirmation hearings and perhaps we got a little tease of this from um avowed socialist Bernie Sanders who says this is the if we if we confirm Robert F Kennedy Jr this is the greatest threat to society we’ve ever seen watch this I conclude I mean it it’s I think the point of what we’re trying to do today is to to make it clear that we potentially face a massive health hazard uh maybe especially uh for our children and I think the point that Senator Mary made a moment ago what was it at eight that uh back in 1900 18% of kids never made it to five that’s just an enormous uh reality that has to be addressed so in other words we have made with all of the problems that we have today and there are many we have made enormous progress in public health and in Saving children’s lives and what in a sense I am hearing from all of you is that is in danger that we may revert back to those terrible days when so many children died at the age of one or two or three so Dr Malone what do you think we’re going to see this week at these confirmation hearings smooth sailing or a lot of trouble bumpy roads ahead and do you think he’ll get confirmed uh I think what I’ve heard is from the whips the vote counters that uh this could go either way we absolutely have a dark money initiative uh managed in part by Mike Pence to try to torpedo Bobby’s nomination and it’s apparently backed by multiple millions of dollars there will be watch this you can take this to the bank there will be a truck driving around DC with those neon signs that are designed to delegitimize and attack Bobby that’s the scale of stuff that they’re doing they’re going to pull out all the stops to try to to label and weaponize and delegitimize Bobby they’re going to try to tag him as a rabid crazy anti-science antivaxer that is a major heal human health threat uh this has been the messaging all along as soon as he was nominated and they’re going to go on you know while we’re using Star Trek and and science fiction language they’re going to go on hyperdrive here uh this is a if there’s an extinction level event here the the threat perceived by Pharma is that their privilege is going to be severely curtailed if Bobby uh comes in and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see things like the indemnification for vaccines uh rescinded there’s a number of strategies by which this could be done even without legislative action um we might well see that uh there’s a movement towards uh resending the almost unique there’s only two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical industry advertising on television that could well be ended a lot of the perks and privileges that Pharma has right now are going to be under threat and they don’t like it very much uh so that what what we have right now is a clear indication of basically who in the larger structure of the unit party because this is going to be both sides are bought and paid for by Pharma when you see people coming out and saying crazy stuff in these hearings and you will hear it he will they will do all kinds of efforts to box him in and to label him and misrepresent and Gaslight him and when you’re seeing that kind of stuff you need to look carefully because those people that are doing it are doing the bidding of big Pharma and that’s that this is going to be a nasty battle uh just like sect defense was a nasty battle perhaps even more so so uh I hope that he gets confirmed uh we need him in there uh he is his Challenge and job and I can tell you you’re right he is totally he and the team around him are totally focused on prepping and getting through these confirmation hearings to such an extent that they’re hardly even thinking about what comes next that’s a big issue too uh but they he he has to get through this or all these plans come to not now there’s a scenario wherein they managed to defeat his nomination they better be careful what they wish for because if Bobby goes down because Bobby will take a a rational methodical approach to addressing what is gone on the corruption that exists at FDA CDC and NIH okay he will go stepwise program by program in a very thoughtful fashion if they knock out Bobby the probability is that what’s going to come down is the hammer of Doge and you’re going to see across theboard cuts and unilateral actions that are going to be throwing out baby with bathat so you know Pharma needs to and and the unip party backers of Pharma need to be very careful about what they’re doing here because they could well have unanticipated blowback that’s even worse than anything they might have experienced should Bobby have been uh Secretary of HHS wow my guest has been Dr Robert Malone author of the book Lies my government told me the S War you can read a substack as well where he he very uh very prolific over there you can follow him on on X as well I highly recommend you follow Dr Malone on X and I know you are off to the European Union as we speak hopefully to uh knock some sense into the Europeans uh Dr Robert Malone great to see you as always thank you so much hope you’ll come back soon thanks so much for having me on and enjoy that lovely weather there in Colorado
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