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so I’m sorry but I’m really not sorry that American hedge fund managers in Bridgeport Connecticut or in lower Manhattan don’t see the big picture here which is for 25 years globalization was shoved down our throats it didn’t actually come with no costs and all benefits it came with real downside and if the markets want to throw a temper tantrum and hedge fund managers lose a little bit of money for the next couple of months so be it it’ll be good for Main Street which is for far too long has been neglected overlooked and mistreated by both Republicans and Democrats and Trump is breaking the status quo on that the department of government efficiency doge is aiming to cut up to $2 trillion from the federal budget deficit by 2026 so what’s going to happen with the extra savings that the government May incur through this program well we’re talking about this with our next guest James Fishback founder and CEO of aoria Partners who has come up with a very interesting plan for giving money back to Americans welcome to the show James good to see you David great to be here you’re all over the news James who is James Fishback is the title of this article from Newsweek that I see and uh investor who created Doge stimulus check plan is it a stimulus check we’ll talk about that who is James Fishback how are you involved with Doge let’s start there who is James Fishback man that’s a daunting one I am 30 years old I am a macr Trader so currencies Commodities interest rate Futures I’ve been doing that for 10 years at two different hedge funds most recently at Greenlight capital I left Greenlight a year or so ago to launch aoria what we call a freethinking investment firm will be out this spring with three really Innovative ETFs we launched the firm at Mara Lago and was honored that President Trump was there for that as well and so this idea of a doge dividend I’ve been you know thinking about Doge for a long time now you know V has has been a friend for a couple years actually Bill akman introduced us when he first ran for president so I was doing some advising for him as do was getting off the ground but this idea I kid you not David of a doge dividend literally came to me in a dream a couple weeks ago I woke up I pulled in our head of research from Missouri who was working on a a Fed research paper we were doing together and I said let’s go to Capitol Grill let’s sit down for a couple hours and let’s flush this out we did we posted it on X and then in a couple hours Elon Musk had said he was sharing it with the president and then 24 hours later the president had publicly supported the plan on stage in Miami and so it’s been a whirlwind since then last week I was on the hill meeting with senators and members of the house to talk about the specifics of what is a bold plan to take Doge full circle David not just to identify and root out waste Fraud and Abuse but it turns out when you send money to DC and it’s misused and abused you have to then refund some of that money back to the same hardworking taxpayers who sent it there in the first place and that’s what this plan represents and I’m honored that President Trump supports it well let’s take a look at what Trump has actually said so let’s play this clip and we’ll react together is even uh under consideration A New Concept where we give 20% of the Doge savings to American citizens and 20% goes to paying down debt because the numbers are incredible Elon uh so many billions of dollar billions hundreds of billions and we’re thinking about giving 20% back to the American citizens and uh 20% down to pay back debt and pay down debt which is if you look at Value if it were a really estate balance sheet the debt is tiny but we still we still want to pay it down doesn’t matter we don’t look at it as a piece of real estate it’s America we’re going to get it down through intelligence hard work and as Elon said a word called caring you have to you have to Care by doing this Americans will tell us where there’s waste they’ll be reporting it themselves they participate in the process of saving money can you walk us through the particulars of your proposal 20% of the Doge savings roughly how much does that equate to per household per American sure David let’s go from the Top Line it’s on the proposal it’s my Doge dividend.com encourage all of your followers to to go there and see it for themselves but here’s the here’s the big picture we think Doge can save $2 trillion do over the next couple of years if you take 20% of that as the Doge dividend calls for and send it back to taxpayers 20% of 2 trillion is 400 billion and there are roughly 80 million taxpaying households in America so if you then go 400 billion divided by 80 million you end up with a check of roughly $5,000 to each taxpaying household that’s we think we can get to but again this plan is not predestined to the $5,000 number if the savings come in above or below that the check will be reflected accordingly so again the if the savings are only 1 trillion which I think is awfully low the check goes from 5,000 to 2500 if the check is if the savings are only 500 billion which again is really really low then the savings are only 1,250 but I think the president touched on something very important there David which is that the Doge dividend check what it does more than anything is it incentivizes millions of Americans to report waste in government spending that they themselves see why would they do that because they have every incentive to do it the more the government saves with Doge the bigger their Doge dividend check is so I’ll tell you most of the time cutting government spending is not popular most of the time there’s large resistance to it the Doge dividend reinen diviz the taxpayer to be on board with fiscal responsibility and cost savings but also incentivize them to report it themselves as the president said in that speech if you see waste if you see fraud if you see abuse let Doge Know The more Doge saves the bigger that Doge check is and that’s a really radical transformative idea to enlist the taxpayer on this fiscal responsibility Journey okay before we talk about the stimulus check itself let’s just back up a minute James How likely is it that Doge will actually realize Savings of up to $2 trillion dollar that’s the underlying assumption here yeah I think it’s actually really likely and you don’t have to roll back the clock David 30 or 40 years to see a world in which we are have a much leaner government budget in 2019 the federal budget was $4.5 trillion do today as you and I speak it’s closer to 7 trillion that’s an increase of over 50% what on Earth is going on right I mean where did that money go we can break it down by individual sector but I think the overwhelming point is life isn’t all that different from 2019 to the most recent fiscal year of 2024 to where there’s a 50% increase in the amount of the federal budget so that is part of it if we can get things back to where they were just a few years ago we are not just in a position to balance the budget we’re in a position to actually deliver Surplus and to really begin to start paying down this debt and what better way to do that David than to send some of those savings right back to the taxpayers who sent it to DC in the first place I know there’s this idea in the mainstream media that all of the government spending is somehow funded by government debt that’s just not true over the past 5 years the government has spent about $30 trillion only 9 trillion has come from borrowing the rest 21 trillion came directly from tax receipts from American taxpayers so 70% of all all the money the government spends is not borrowed from other countries but is directly sent to DC from like from from taxpayers like you me and and the listeners on your program and so I think it’s only fair that they get some of the restitution back for what has been uncovered by do in just a short couple of weeks what is the timeline then that we can expect so at what point can enough savings be realized such that this proposal should be implemented actually realize a distribution to American households so those savings can happen over the course of let’s say the next 18 months to 24 months Doge was set to expire in July of 2026 that may end up continuing for another quarter or so we don’t know but the plan here is not to look at two trillion in savings year-over-year but to look at an aggregate of 2 trillion in savings for as long as Doge runs and I’ll tell you we’ve already hit 100 billion in savings and we haven’t even touched the Pentagon we haven’t touched the immense fraud within the Social Security Medicare and Medicaid system and so I’m confident we’ll hit that $2 trillion number may even go above it and for that the taxpayer deserves some restitution a little bit of a refund to for for what has been uncovered okay now is this for all Americans are you proposing to have different um you know stimulus checks amounts for by the way I’m calling it a stimulus check because that’s what the mainstream media calls it I don’t even know if that’s the uh accurate or Fair term to use I’ll let you comment on that but the question is before we get into that the question is whether or not we’re going to have stratified checks to different Americans depending on their income levels what’s the plan here a flat $5,000 yeah it’s it’s a flat $5,000 it’s much simpler that way the there’s three criteria David the first of which is you you file the federal tax return which is to say you paid federal income tax the second is you are currently receiving Social Security benefits and the third is you are a member of the military a past member and you are receiving veterans benefits if you fall into one of those three categories our proposal says you should receive whatever check amount corresponds to 20% divided by the number of taxpaying households so that’s how we get that’s how we get there now remind you that I would remind you that a stimulus check and I think you were right to be skeptical of the mainstream media’s use of that term every year we send out a 100 million checks for tax refund season we don’t call them stimulus checks and and you know a stimulus check is something that’s designed to provide stimulus at a time of weak economic growth like the 2008 financial crisis like what happened in Spring of 2020 with covid so this is not a stimulus check precisely because it’s not designed to stimulate the economy what it’s designed to do is to pay restitution and to incentivize the taxpayer and I think that the concerns about inflation from this particular Doge dividend process are way overblown because they neglect to focus on the Nuance of this macroeconomic backdrop compared to what we saw with the extraordinary unprecedented conditions of a labor shortage of lockdowns of shutdowns of supply chain dislocations and the massive infusion of fiscal and monetary stimulus that we saw in 2020 and 2021 that’s clearly not the case today you you’ve had many guests on who have talked about recent fed policy but let’s be honest fed rates are above 4% today they were pinned at zero in 2020 and 2021 we were printing a hundred billion dollar to buy mortgage back Securities and treasuries a month we’re not doing that today in fact we’re in the process of shrinking that balance sheet and then lastly let’s not forget macro backdrop of a labor shortage was inflationary back then we don’t have that today the macro backdrop of high energy prices owing to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in early 22 we don’t have that today in fact we have drill baby drill which is designed to increased production and lower prices we saw immense regulations coming on the books in the Biden economy we see now deregulation and so all of the macro backdrop factors during Biden when the stimulus checks hit were infl today a refund like this would be hitting in a disinflationary borderline deflationary environment that context is really really important okay so it wouldn’t push up inflation significantly is your is your point and I bring this up because um again going back to the point that we made earlier about whether or not this is a stimulus check there has been research done about how stimulus checks during the pandemic have actually contributed directly to inflation this is a study done by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco and I’m just going to read a passage from the introduction the abstract here it says says estimates suggest that fiscal stimulus support measures designed to counteract the severity of the pandemic’s economic effect may have contributed to this Divergence by raising inflation about 3 percentage points by the end of 2021 so let’s assume that your proposal is some sort of stimulus the concern from people is whether or not this is going to contribute to inflation directly how would you respond to that well there’s two points there if you can pull the article back up just for one second I want to highlight a particular word will do yeah I enjoyed reading this fed research even if I disagree with it sometimes but this is actually pretty good what you’ll note there is the key term David estimates suggest that fiscal support measures designed to counteract the severity of the pandemic’s economic effects that’s not just stimulus checks that was PPP that was State funding that was all sorts of nonsense totaling about $6 trillion do by the way between three different acts of Congress the car’s act Consolidated Appropriations and the American Rescue plan so $6 trillion of total fiscal stimulus what of that was stimulus checks actually less than 133% and so they’re right that total fiscal support of 6 trillion did raise inflation by about 3 percentage points but only a tenth of that roughly was due to stimulus checks that’s the first thing and that’s just the de the the the demand side measure in isolation what it neglects to do and the analysis is really tough to do this is how do you separate the supply side effects of having millions of workers on the sideline refusing to work how do you counteract that with the shutdown of businesses by the lockdown measures which in effect restricted Supply which pushed prices higher how do you factor in the geopolitical risk premium of active Wars in places like Ukraine and so they are right that fiscal support measures did do that but when you say fiscal support measure that is not automatically mean stimulus checks as I mentioned earlier less than 133% of the fiscal support measures were the stimulus checks that was three different rounds in this case it’s one round it’s not newly printed money it is a refund of money that was recently sent to Washington by taxpayers if you take it even a step further David imagine this as a as a stylized example is it inflationary to give every single American a million dollars yes or no before you answer that well go ahead actually is it is it before I answer that I’ll I’ll let you speak well no I actually I I would want you to answer just because it it makes the example I think more compelling is giving every American a million dollars inflationary oh that is a very good question um I am going to argue yes based on the assumption that the propensity to spend stays the same meaning the savings rate stays low and everybody spends that million dollars yes it is inflationary 100% 100% that’s exactly right so it depends is really the short answer it depends on what you believe the propensity to spend that incremental million is now a large check like a million dollars would obviously get spent especially if it was distributed to lower income households who have a demonstrably higher propensity to spend money but remember it depends is the key word there polling data from CNBC and JL Partners suggest that 70 to 75% of a doge dividend check like this would not be spent but would be used to pay down existing debt and to reorganize household finances we talk a lot about national debt David but here’s the truth household debt is up 30 to 40% under the Biden Harris Administration why because they had to take out larger credit card balances to keep up with the large increase in inflation and so if you get a $5,000 check and use that to pay down your credit card bill or your auto loan payment that is not inflationary in fact paying down debt David you know this from your time on Wall Street paying down debt is automatically deflationary because it takes money out of the economy that would otherwise be spent and so it really does depend how this money is spent now look obviously in Co if you send a family of four that makes $3 $40,000 if you send them $155,000 of stimulus checks at a time where there is reduced Supply there are lockdowns no one has anything to do except to go online and to buy stuff on Amazon or Wayfair then obviously there’s going to be an increase in price those macroeconomic backdrop factors are not present today and the polling data that’s readily accept accessible David suggest that American households would use this money to start to dig their way out of the debt that they were forced to take on by President Biden to Simply keep their head above water during the worst inflation in 40 years so let me just clarify what you mean by what do you mean they were forced to take on debt by the Biden Administration let’s let’s just clarify what you mean by that yeah absolutely so so the total CPI basket went up by 20% Which is an understatement you know that it doesn’t measure things like household mortgage cause does a pretty poor job of measuring food and energy but if prices go up by 20% that forces you to increase your credit card spend by 20% Which increases your debt level by 20% so Americans took on a large portion of debt over the past four years not because they wanted to David but because they were forced to because prices went higher not because of their own choices but because macroeconomic policy Decisions by the Biden Harris Administration starting with the American Rescue plan starting with the geopolitical failures in Ukraine that led to a surge in Energy prices they were forced to absorb that and take on new debt going on to things like the green news scam also known as the infrastructure Bill etc those things forced inflation higher in turn forced Americans to take on more debt that debt is not was not their fault I believe it was the fault of the Biden Harris Administration so I think the least thing we can do by the way is to send some money back to taxpayers especially when polling data tells us that those very taxpayers would use it to pay down debt okay well let’s take a look at how the Democrats are responding to this take a listen to uh this particular clip here by senator sloten in response to the Trump address but Elon Musk just called Social Security the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time while we’re on the subject of Elon Musk is there anyone in America who is comfortable with him and his gang of 20-year-olds using their own computer servers to poke through your tax returns your health information and your bank accounts no oversight no protections against cyber attack no guard rails on what they do with your private data we need a more efficient government you want to cut waste I’ll help you do it but change doesn’t need to be chaotic or make us less safe the Mindless firing of people who work to protect our nuclear weapons keep our planes from crashing and conduct the research that finds the cure for cancer only to rehire them 2 days later no CEO in America could do that without being summarily fired uh this isn’t a direct response to your Doge uh tax return proposal but it is response to how the Doge um reduction of the deficit should or could be implemented so can you just respond to what was just said absolutely you know I I have respect for for the senator for Senator slotkin but I got to tell you the truth we also have respect for the taxpayer the taxpayer has been sarily abused and lied to for years that their tax dollars were being somehow spent on education and infrastructure and healthare but it turns out that money was sent abroad for Iraqi Sesame Street or Dei Scholarships in Burma and so understand that the chaos is not Elon Musk cutting out waste Fraud and Abuse of course by the way as a direct hire of the duly elected president of the United States the real chaos David is millions of taxpayers being lied to by their government for years about where and how their tax dollars would be spent that’s what’s chaotic and simply ending that is not chaos it is Clarity okay let’s turn the page now to markets your investor first and foremost and um I’m just curious to get your take on the recent volatility markets do not like the implementation or the execution of the tariffs that Trump has um been talking about for ages now and you know my my question is why the volatility now because we’ve seen this play out in 2017 2018 right the tariffs that Trump are talk is talking about now is it’s not a New Concept the markets didn’t like tariffs in 2018 and they shouldn’t be liking it now but I just wonder why there’s such an averous reaction to something that has been so well telegraphed well there’s so many examples David from from both of our careers where we could see wow that was really well telegraphed that fed hike was really well telegraphed and then S&P futures sold off by 3 or 4% after the meeting over some misplaced comma in the statement and so I you know I learned very early on as a macr Trader not to look too much into market price action but a couple things come to mind the first of which is this volatility which is not particularly high it’s not like the vix is over 40 or 50 this volatility that we’re seeing today is being preceded by historic calm and a pretty large rally leading up to this the second thing is that markets as you as you pointed out we went through the tarff situation in 18 and in 19 it turns out it wasn’t inflationary as evidenced by the fact that inflation averaged 1.8% under President Trump’s first term 5.7 by the way under President Biden so it wasn’t inflationary markets did very well and the last thing is a far more inherent factor to markets markets are amoral and are fundamentally plagued with short-termism they’re always looking out just a couple weeks or a couple months and not at the bigger picture and they’re really indifferent as to the National Security concerns of the US economy and our own sovereignty and so what president Trump is doing he’s not necessarily just making an economic argument he’s saying it’s not good that over 100,000 Americans die every single year from Fentanyl and China Mexico and Canada should do something about it now the market looks at that and says oh tariffs bad inflation bad the FED might need to raise rates but the market seem to ignore that we’re losing 100,000 Americans every year that’s actually bad for the economy and bad for the markets because the markets are a derivative of the real economy why would losing 100,000 Americans be bad for the markets and bad for the economy well let’s think about that for a moment 100,000 people is 100,000 innocent lives it’s also 100,000 workers it’s 100,000 parents and consumers when you lose a father or a mother or a primary caretaker to a drug overdose that came from Canada Mexico or China you now have lost someone in your family who is supporting you and your household that now triggers a vicious cycle that makes you more likely to get into debt more likely not to have an independent income of your own more likely to turn to addiction and fuel the other vicious cycle none of these things are good for the real economy or good for the markets long term and so the markets again you know this David from your time on Wall Street you know this from your work today on your show that markets are amoral and are fundamentally short term and so I don’t expect them to understand president Trump’s game of check with China Mexico or Canada I don’t expect them honestly bluntly to care that we’re losing 200 people every single day I lost my uncle growing up to poison that comes across the southern border every single day it’s time that President Trump reasserted the sovereignty and the borders of this country he is doing that and the fact that the SNP throws the temper tantrum as it always does when something happens whether it’s the fed or the dollar Yen carry trade and all of these things end up reverting in a matter of weeks should not de deril a president who won a historic mandate to restore National sovereignty and to bring borders back again I think God Trump said that and I think I’m paraphrasing it I don’t remember the exact words but yeah tariffs will see a little pain right we’re going to have to endure a little bit of pain I think is what he said um so he admitted that markets May throw a bit of a tantrum but uh over the long term America should Prosper more because of these tariffs and these measures uh do you agree I absolutely agree and by the way little bit of pain how about a lot of pain we had 20 million manufacturing workers at the turn of the century the year 2000 now we have 12 million so you’ve got oh I don’t know 8 million hardworking men and women across this country who had a manufacturing job and no longer do 7 million David 7 million working age men in America are neither working nor looking for work and 40% of them according to Princeton Economist Alan Krueger are taking painkillers every day entire communities whether they’re in Appalachia or in Monroe Louisiana or on the outskirts of New Haven have been hollowed out have turned factories into dens where now folks shoot up heroin where they once would have built cars and assembled the next generation of American greatness that is a real problem and so I’m sorry but I’m really not sorry that American hedge fund managers in Bridgeport Connecticut or in lower Manhattan don’t see the big picture here which is for 25 years globalization was shoved down our throats it didn’t actually come with no costs and all benefits it came with real downside president Trump is restoring fairness to free trade and if the markets want to throw a temper tantrum and hedge fund managers lose a little bit of money for the next couple of months so be it it’ll be good for Main Street which is for far too long has been neglected overlooked and mistreated by both Republicans and Democrats and Trump is breaking the status quo on that wait James H H how is this going to bring back jobs to America right now layoffs are happening across the board in Canada and the US by the way because when you implement a tariff the American company first has to pay for it and so they realize that they have to either increase the prices or suffer a margin decrease and they may not realize an increase in sales and so layoffs are happening as a result of that uh I I just I just don’t what’s the connection here between bringing back American jobs and the pain that we’re seeing right now in the jobs Market well the bridge is look at what Tesla did every Tesla sold in America is made in America there is no excuse that the Ford Mach e is made in Mexico when Tesla sells a superior car at a cheaper price and it’s build whether it’s at the gigafactory in Austin or it’s the Fremont Factory in California those cars are built here look it’s not going to be easy there’s a Shanghai sorry there’s a Shanghai Factory as well though right absolutely no there is a Shanghai Factory but those cars are not sold in America every Tesla sold in America is is made in America and you know I I’ve got one right here behind me a model 3 and a model y you can rent a model 3 you can lease it for $130 a month it is by far the most advanced car on the market the safest car on the market and it’s made right here with American labor in either California or Texas what we are simply asking is companies like Ford and Chevy and others take a page out of Elon musk’s textbook build cars in this country again why it’s it’s good for National Security it’s obviously good for the consumer but it’s good for the worker this is a question we thought about a lot in high school debate David which I I did growing up which is what do you value more do you value lowc cost or do you value good jobs and so I got to tell you the truth if your goal is the cheapest air fryer and t-shirt possible then yeah let’s bring in all the cheap labor from China often times slave labor and have them make air fryers and t-shirts and cups and we’ll bring them to America but if you actually value human dignity if you actually value employing your brothers and sisters in our communities all across this country you may be willing to accept a higher price so long as millions of Americans who are currently out of work and have been out of work for years actually have a shot at making a living doing right by their family and enjoying the independence and the self-sufficiency and the dignity and purpose that comes with gainful employment and so it’s not strictly an economic question although clearly Tesla has shown you you can make cars in America there’s no issue with that there’s also the bigger question of what do we value are we willing going are we willing to pay $30 versus $21 for an air fryer if it means that that air fryer is made in Connecticut as opposed in Shenzhen and and I think that’s a big question that taxpayers have to have to ask and clearly president Trump made no secret of this tariff policy of the policy of reindustrialize and bringing manufacturing back to America he won a historic Victory on that and so folks shouldn’t be surprised if the markets want to throw a temper tantrum as they do with literally anything by the way the the dollar Yen carry trade contributed to the vix going above 60 as you covered back in August of last year that move was Unwound within 15 days markets can and do throw temper tantrums all the time but my message to president Trump is don’t get distracted by the whims and the short-termism of the market keep your eye on the prize which is delivering for hardworking Americans and I’m confident that’s what the president’s going to do okay let’s talk let’s turn back to the markets stocks Rose today on Wednesday as we’re speaking on Wednesday the 5th of March uh the S&P is up about 1% the nasdaq’s up 1.5% so uh according to the CNBC article what happened was a rally after back-to-back losses as an exemption as an exemption for automakers on President Donald Trump’s tariffs offered hope for more conceptions like I mentioned the Dow Jones is up by 528 points or 1.3% the S&P is up about 1.2 so the White House said it granted a 1- Monon delay for tariff on automakers whose cars comply with the US Mexico Canada agreement I think you mentioned this just just now bringing back uh the manufacturing of cars to the US stantis surge 10% Ford GM up more than 5 and 8% respectively How likely is it I think investors Want To Know How likely is it that Trump is going to rescent all broad-based tariffs if Agreements are met I think it’s very likely actually and so here’s the way I think about tariffs is if you are betting on tariffs longterm these these again there there’s strategic tariffs and there’s reciprocal tariffs I think reciprocal tariffs should stay until they end up lowering their tariff rates or eliminate them entirely but these strategic tariffs whether it’s on the fentanyl issue or the Border issue if you believe that Donald Trump is a great negotiator as as I do that you should believe that these tariffs will come off because he will exact the exact the right leverage on our our trading partners and have them keep up their end of the commit which is to secure their border and to prevent poisonous drugs like fentanyl from pouring into our country and so I would I would certainly bet that President Trump is going to get these concessions which is to say he gets the concessions and the tariffs ultimately come off he’s made it very clear these tariffs are linked to fentanyl to migration to the borders to our sovereignty if these countries comply as I believe they will given the leverage that Trump has that these tariffs will come off and and markets are free to freak about to freak out about about their next about their next tantrum okay what are you doing as an investor then what are you betting on longterm and medium-term so long term I am betting at aoria that AI is the biggest thing we’ve ever seen it’s bigger than the Internet it’s bigger than the discovery of fire it is an absolute GameChanger to say that I can write on a napkin I can sketch out a website take a photo of it with the existing free models today and in a matter of minutes turn that into a fully Deployable HTML CSS code online that is massively deflationary I spoke with a a venture capitalist earlier this week who a couple years ago was quoted $8 million for a software development project David they just quoted him $800,000 given that the vast majority of it would be developed with AI coding tools like Claude and open Ai and so think about that for a moment a deflation of 90% from an upstream software developer means that all of the downstream beneficiaries all of the downstream users will also see that deflationary impulse we are in for a great deflation over the coming decades because so much of what we do is tied to labor our economy after all is 70% Services the vast majority of that is labor a lot of which is in the knowledge economy so whether it’s a pargal or a tutor whatever it may be you can now leverage artificial intelligence and that’s to say nothing by the way about self-driving cars I own one it drives me everywhere it’s unbelievable impressive in fsd3 and then you’ve got obviously humanoid robots taking this real world AI to the next level and so we’ve got three ETFs coming out later this spring that folks can learn more at investor.com can sign up for our email list I’m precluded from saying all too much more given we have an SEC statement that’s that’s currently being filed but I would say bet big on AI and then look out for some funds later this year that allow investors to co-invest with our vision and our thesis for what this new ages for America all right James excellent where can we follow your work follow me on XJ Fishback and sign up for a mailing list at investor.com okay put the links down below make sure to follow James there pleasure to host you today James welcome to the show good to see you and uh we’ll speak next time my pleasure thanks for having me David thanks for all you do and thank you for watching don’t forget to like And subscribe
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