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this is the reent interview with Nick kesie my guest today is best-selling author Cat Tim whose new book is I used to like you until dot dot dot how binary thinking divides us in a totally insane political season this just might be the most important book of the year I talk with cat who co-hosts the super popular Gutfeld late night show about why she finds it easier to tell people she works in pornography than at Fox News what it’s like being libertarian at a conservative Network and how she gets people to engage one another rather than vilify one another this podcast was taped in front of a live audience in New York City go to reason.com events to get tickets to our next reason speakes here is the reason interview with cat [Music] Tim thanks for talking thank you so much for having me you are um also pregnant we’re going to talk about that is and is this a divine intervention or no I had sex okay but did you have sex or did you have IVF I had I I got pregnant the sex way but after doing IVs no you know what’s so weird is I I did I froze embryos yeah you have Frozen we have nine Frozen embryos and uh I was told by a doctor that I proba would need drugs to bring me up to at least a 10% chance of getting pregnant so I thought that was true okay and I was I was just living my life and and and then I just like didn’t feel good one day so you did the IVF and then you got pregnant anyway yeah I just froze the kids you know it’s good yeah because if Trump wins you’ll never be able to access those kids or we will all be paying for them it’s kind of confusing sure yeah I’ve heard both I’ve heard that I’ll yeah I’ll never see them again or you guys have to start paying for them okay well we’ll figure it out um let’s start with the book uh I used to like you until dot dot dot and then it’s about how binary thinking divides us um is there a specific anecdote when you realized you know did somebody say that to you in a particular way or did you think about that of like I just can’t stand this person because they are not my truck I think it just happens to me in my life constantly because I’m an independent I’m not a member of either major party but I also work on air at Fox News so I will get [ __ ] from the viewers because I’m not conservative on certain issues or if I criticize Trump they call for me to be fired so on and so forth but then there’s people on the other side who don’t even want to talk to me at all because they like oh you work at Fox News so that tells me everything I need to know and you talk about in the book how you would tell people at parties that I work in yeah yeah I because that that facilitated better conversations so cool yeah yeah I I mean you know those people you’re talking to at a party where it’s like G you’re stuck talking to them for a little bit but you know you’ll never see them again when they’re like what do you do for work I say porn and they’re like oh cool and then we move on yeah um because they don’t want to seem judgmental or sometimes people ask me what I do for work I’ll simply say I’ve also said um no thank you what um what is the worst uh response that you remember when you’re or you know yeah I’m on I I’m a commentator on Fox News literally all of them are the worst yeah they’re all the worst cuz they start projecting every single opinion that they have about Fox News on to me right and it’s just so I mean I had um I wrote or I had a piece out about me and about the book in variety and I was so excited about it coming out um it was a great piece um and all the viewers or all the like the the readers of variety were very pissed that they had done a piece of me and all because I work there and it it’s just it just blows my mind especially cuz sometimes the people that’ll be saying it to me I’m like don’t you work at a [ __ ] bank yeah yeah what what what makes you so it’s just so because Fox is a platform it’s an idea it’s not it’s not an idea it’s an a platform on which to share ideas and you do realize that if I weren’t on Fox if any everybody who there was nobody who wasn’t MaGa on Fox then your grandparents who leave it on all day would never hear from anybody who wasn’t Maga and do you really think that that’s better and also working there I do have people in my I know in my real life who are my friends who are very Maga right and I have like they’re not monsters you know I mean we disagree but that doesn’t mean that there’s nothing we can agree on we have no Common Ground anywhere have you ever had the experience where you’re at I you know something like the Met Gala invited to stuff like that but well let’s say a liberal event okay and you know people come up and it’s like oh thank you for working at Fox News like you have you seen kind of the Benedict Arnolds uh of the progressive left at all I mean some PE people sometimes will have questions and they’ll make statements like that it’s more about I’ll hear from people after I make a certain statement that I know is going to piss off viewers and I and I get it because I do sometimes piss them off and I could sell I know because most I don’t know if you guys know this most people that watch Fox News are Maga like a lot of them are big trumps like their dude and so I know that I could sell more books I could sell out all my shows sell tickets to my shows faster if I said the stuff that I knew and only the stuff that I knew people watching were going to like so I get there’s that Temptation for that I just I truly can’t bring myself to do it um and I you know but I think that that’s something that a lot of it can be hard to see a lot of that [ __ ] it can be frustrating but I don’t know how you’d sleep at night any other way how do you how do you uh keep yourself from doing it I mean okay so you want to sleep so you’re like okay I’m going to be honest to myself but isn’t it hard like when you’re in an environment where all of the pressure is in One Direction like how do you how do you make sure that you’re staying with one foot in reality or something yeah I mean I guess I just think of it as when it’s as much as it’s sucks to get [ __ ] from people it at least when I get [ __ ] from people I know that it’s because I at least stood up for something that I believed in I can’t imagine getting [ __ ] from people and I act I’m just been grifting the entire time I could not possibly imagine so you were not going to get any of that tenant media money right that the Russian government was funneling into no no foreign government has ever offered me anything yeah yeah well you have that to look forward right I guess um you know you start the book and you and you close it as well with a quote from John Updike uh one of his rabbit novels where um you’re and you’re talking about the main charact or it’s uh a line about the main character that says hate suits him better than forgiveness which is kind of a theme of the book right that binary thinking both divides us but it’s also more comfortable from can you talk about that yeah I talk about hate as a shelter right um that’s what what he talks about and it it hate really can be a shelter for a lot of people because if there’s just these two sides and the other side is bad then you get to be good just because you’re not on that side you don’t actually have to do anything it’s like you were watching a presidential debate last night or something right yeah yeah it was I it was actually kind of boring I couldn’t really it was not I mean it was boring it was what did you want to happen that didn’t happen in the presidential debate for it to keep for them to kiss or something or honestly it was their first time meeting wouldn’t it be funny if they did oh yeah yeah you see like The Gleam in their eyes if they were like no you be [Laughter] president but they were it was it was I feel like the honestly both sides set the bar so low for the other one like like liberals were like what if Trump is just like calls her a [ __ ] you know and then conservatives were like well she’s not going to be able to form a sentence and obviously giggling she formed all of her sentences and didn’t giggle so I think that they did a disservice to themselves by setting the bar solo for her in particular but it just was like kind of boring I mean I don’t I fell asleep several I mean I actually I fell asleep before it and I woke up throughout because I’m like I’m pregnant you were like I’m having a miscar right and I’m like saying this well because I was tired listen I had to wake up so early book promotion’s hard it’s even harder when you’re pregnant I got up so early so by I got up at 4: am so by 7 P.M yesterday I was just crying for no reason right right then the debate started you had reasons I need yeah I needed to go to bed but I also so there is um research I write about in my book that and this is so obvious they shouldn’t even had to research it but moral outrage is more often rooted in self-interest than it is in altruism so the study found that the more or the the less power that people have or feel that they have over a problem the more motivated they are to direct their outrage about the problem at someone else and then the better they feel when they do the problem is that doesn’t actually do anything to solve anything and we’ve actually divided us even further so how uh how do how does that play out with a particular issue then say like can you take uh a kind of right-wing tribalist what do they not feel like they have control over that they project outward and then do the same for somebody on the left well I think one of the the most interesting issues that I write about and this is for both both sides is the climate and the fact that that’s relatively new to be a divisive issue and it shouldn’t be really like don’t we all want clean air and we also want economic Prosperity but it be it became that’s dangerous thinking but it’s crazy we should be able to have both and it wasn’t until I mean probably you know the Kyoto Protocol that it became kind of split that’s relatively new and it’s crazy to think about it now because now it’s like you say one thing about how maybe even you calling it climate change you’re CL Schwab’s Minion or something of course but it’s it’s to me it doesn’t seem that controversial that what you put into anything whether it’s the environment or not it’s going to affect the thing that’s just kind of how actions and you’re talking about being pregnant right yeah that’s how that is how it happens um but also that that it should be some of the stuff asking how much does this cost is also that’s some of the things that people are proposing they’ll actually will the the cost benefit just isn’t there but that doesn’t mean that you don’t think it’s real so I think that but that what that’s something that definitely people feel powerless over yeah right because like individuals can’t really do that much to affect climate change and even like if the US changed everything then you know India and China you know if they keep doing whatever they’re doing it exactly um why um you know we definitely I mean by all kind of polling measures and stuff like that we’re more polarized than we used to be yeah um and you know all of these weird kind of side questions of like you know would you let your children marry somebody from another political party yeah um what’s driving that um is it that we feel less powerful over things that matter in our life increasingly or you know why are why are we more binary in our thinking now than you know we were 20 or 40 years ago yeah I think a lot of it does have to do with you know it’s finding that it becomes such a part of your identity but also I think that we’ve gotten to a point now where if you don’t pick a side people you know you have to kind of people there’s so much pressure that you have to because it’s like if you’re not on my side then my side’s the side that is going to save the country and then you’re on the side that’s going to destroy the country and also I think people are afraid I think it’s a very effective tool fear um politicians are very good at using it the media is very good at using it where it’s a lot more motivating to be um on a side if you’re saying the other side if that guy wins then the whole world is going to crash and burn so if you if that’s what you believe and people do believe this people on both sides do believe this if you believe that then you would obviously want to stop at nothing for your side to win if the literal if literal civilization is what’s at stake here that makes it a lot easier and I also think we don’t really see each other as human anymore in a lot of instances I know I don’t see myself as human well it’s tough I don’t recognize myself in the mirror anymore I’m like who’s that fat girl in my house yeah and it’s only going to get fatter from here from what I’ve Googled and that’s yeah and then it never you never lose the baby weight I think every woman I can speak for every woman in this room who’s had a child you never lose oh I’ll just yeah no I’m going to stop eating so what’s the role of um kidding What’s the K I’m just kidding What’s the role we don’t judge you know it’s like uh but uh what’s the role of the media in increasing polarization and you know a lot of people talk about how a a platform like Fox News when it started you know it was always polemical but it was not as Extreme as it was and MSNBC went through a bunch of different iterations before it became this kind of super woke thing I mean is is the polarization being driven by the Media or is the media reflecting our polarization yeah I mean I think that’s a probably very difficult thing to answer but I do think it’s interesting when people attack specifically Fox News as if there aren’t those things that exist on the other side right I think that part of it has gotten worse again because of social media all the hate that you’ll have to actually see you people didn’t used to have to to hear that like people didn’t used to have to get off TV and be like hear from all these people about how your piece of [ __ ] like it’s never just like I disagree that was you know in a simpler America that was your family did that for right you didn’t need strangers yeah exactly and it’s always so personal like you’re disgusting like I mean I have people whose entire [ __ ] profiles is just [ __ ] on me over and over again I do like the power that I have over their lives yeah I mean you’re very important to them it’s it’s it’s a lot of retired women in their 70s that are like the ones they’re just triggered by the fact that I’m still breathing it’s and are they do they are your worst um kind of enemies online or your detractors do they tend to be are they progressives or are they conservatives who feel somehow spurned by you both yeah both I get a lot a lot of the the women are like you know you’re not conservative and I’m like when did I say that I was I never said that I was my my skirts are too short or you know it’s just but you can never please some people like I everyone used to say I was like disgusting and old and I understood nothing about the world because I was childless and then I got pregnant and two days after I announced it these same people were like will you shut the [ __ ] up about being pregnant there’s more to life than just being pregnant I’m like you know I’m almost starting to think that this isn’t really about me yeah I’m starting to think that this might just be like like whose grandma is this like will somebody please take her out to lunch you know and so you can’t worry about it but I really do think that that’s part of it I think that people can they can notice that they get these careers and they get these platforms they’re like well I don’t want to upset my platform because then it’s going to affect my bottom line and I think that applies more to just media though I think that applies to Hollywood I think that applies to to everybody really who has some sort of public role or even corporations like uber needs to every pride month have the cars be little rainbow flag fls why like do you know what I like why did you not love gay people year round or what now they get one month they get one month I mean it’s it’s just and blacks of course get the shortest money and if they didn’t and if they didn’t have the rainbow would that really mean something about how they feel I mean I just feel like so much of this is driven by that and but I feel like most people understand that but they don’t think about it on in their day-to-day interactions or consumption of media and not to say that there aren’t I know people who I work with who just they love Trump they do they just truly they’re not pretending to love Trump they just like that’s my they’ll watch videos of them and they’re smiling they love that dude and like good for you I wish that I could feel that way my life would be easier my life would be so much easier is because you’re libertarian right you always have to be but wait you know like you can’t enjoy yourself fully yeah well people be like Trump for free speech I’m like okay but he just said that he wants to throw you in jail for your for flag burning that’s yeah that’s not pro- free speech that you can’t purchase a flag and burn your own flag come on but we’re in a war for civilization so you should not desend exactly that’s such an important political protest that’s what the first amendment is supposed to be about it’s supposed to be about truly about being able to protest the government without government retaliation it’s not so much about memes the memes too are you should be protected but of you can’t be Pro free speech and against that against uh for that for prosecuting that before we continue with the recent interview I want to tell you about today’s sponsor zbiotics this is a game-changing product that you can use before a night out do you think you need 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they’ll refund your money without asking any questions once again head to zbiotics docomo now back to the reason interview you talk uh in a couple of chapters about kind of online speech and things like that and it’s weird isn’t it that both the right and the left at depending on the day of the week or what blood sugar level they’re at they will be like let’s you know we have to shut down social media we have to regulate it or control it um where is that coming from is it just situational ethics of like we we need to shut something down because it’s harming us or yeah it’s using fear to manipulate and just for example I mean I’m my first book that I wrote was very passionate defensive free speech I have maintained that point of view I am a First Amendment absolutist and both sides at times believe that their first amendment absolutist depending on what’s in the news and after for for so long I think it was conservatives really were kind of had the the leg up on liberals when it came to free speech and then it kind of sort of there that was going away in some instances whether it um is some of Ronda sanz’s legislation which I write about where I’m like guys the stop woke act if you think whether you what regardless of whatever you think of woke thought and speech whatever how whatever that means to you you you you can’t deny that that is thought and speech and this is the government trying to ban instruction whatever that means of certain thought you shouldn’t stand for that right because they could do the same thing within conservative thought and speech and then I get in return after I present this well-reasoned argument that makes sense and it’s the exact argument that I used when it was speech that they wanted out there then I get called a a pedopile it’s not like oh I disagree it’s like why do you want to talk about sex stuff with kids a pedophile yeah no the why are you like the real the answer is somewhere in between you’re a little bit of a pedophile and a little bit of a free speecher just with the ease I mean for all this time that and conservatives were right to be just because I you know I’m not a Nazi because I think this this and then it’s like it’s flips okay you’re not a pedophile if you want free speech in this instance either and it’s it is it’s it’s easier to think that you’re like a warrior for children than just like somebody with a different opinion but really you’re just somebody with one of your one of your chapters which is very good is is titled in quotes think of the children um because then this you know this was so over the top in the ’90s I know when I started writing at reason The Simpsons had a character who would just show up and aopo of nothing would say think of the children yeah because that was the way that conservatives and liberals just shut down any conversation do you think having a child will that make you be like no don’t think of the children you think of the children even less than you do now yeah no I I I do want my child to be raised by a drag queen okay at least partially yeah she has a chapter called drag queen saved my life which we’ll get to in a second no I I get asked that a lot I get also emailed that by conser in all seriousness I get emails from conservatives like well maybe now you’ll come over to the correct side now that you’re having a child and I’m like what does that mean exactly to you you know like I also am going on tour um all the way through the middle of December so I’m giving myself exactly a month and a half to figure out how to be a mom and I feel like that it’s going to be plenty of time I’m focusing first I’m going to learn how to hold the baby mhm if someone handed me a baby right now I’d be like I’m not the right person for that yeah yeah have you ever held a baby in I held a baby a baby human not a or a chimp or anything the last baby I held was Megan McCain’s first baby in 2020 okay and it was after several hours of being like it’ll be okay cat you can hold the because you don’t want to like ruin it right that’s right it’s going to be so weird when the baby comes out of me and like lives in my apartment yeah that’s right because I don’t know like I just can’t imagine when when it comes out and they give the baby to me in the hospital and I’m and they leave I’ll be like I don’t don’t have a license for this it’s [ __ ] weird do you think you should need a license should the government license parents no they couldn’t do it anyway there’s like nobody crackheads crackheads are always constantly having babies like you can’t what are you going to do about some of them work out pretty well right they do yeah yeah kids very successful kids sometimes yeah um what about the drag queens how uh explain how drag queens saved your life yeah so I I get into the the nitty-gritty in this chapter of a horrific abusive relationship ship that I was in in my mid to late 20s and it you know I go into great detail about it it was mentally abusive emotionally abusive at times it was physically abusive and then the way that that a relationship like that continues is the person has got mind control over you a little bit or I think that this is all my fault and I think um no one would ever want me other than this person and when this you know he became the be all end all horrible horrible horrible when it finally ended for good um I remember going to a drag show with one of my friends and there was a dance contest and I and I won um because I’m like so bad I think you know like there’s the world’s ugliest dog competition it’s a worthwhile spectacle because of how ugly the dogs are that’s kind of how I dance so it was a Pity win yeah well no no I mean it was more like what what is how is what is her body doing you know um and I just felt I just looked at the drag queens just being so unapologetically themselves I also think drag queens are kind of the living that that helped me get through it I would think back to that when I was going through these horrible times and I lost myself I don’t think that drag queens are a living embodiment of so many things I believe in um what I wrote about a lot in my first book of just like nothing is sacred and decum is highly overrated and we we should fly in the face of it and self-expression being an such an important form of at times protest but oftentimes connection I have been very Pro and love drag queens for so many years and I’ve talked about it openly on Fox and it’s never been a problem until it suddenly became a problem around 2022 yeah what what explains that because um you know suddenly drag queens became a big big deal yeah suddenly they did become a big deal and I I actually went back when I was doing research for my book and I searched clips of myself when I talked about drag on Fox and then I looked corresponded with my Twitter mentions at the same time and for a while it was nothing or people be like ha nothing and then all of a sudden it was you should be fired why do you want to molest kids like extreme like I bet your husband is ashamed of you like really extreme stuff and I think you know I it was around the time when there was the debate over schools and what she’ be teaching in schools and then of course nothing can ever just stay on the thing and then it became all of a sudden now drag queens are a symbol of the left and that’s what happens with this binary thinking it it’s you stop thinking because once you pick a side all the thinking’s been done for you you just go along with whatever their side saying and people have knee-jerk reactions to oh drag queen oh that’s a liberal thing so that’s bad drag queen equals groomer that’s bad just like how people on the left will hear oh Fox News therefore she’s bad right it’s people aren’t actually thinking about these things I mean the drag band in Tennessee it’s illegal for there to be the drag performance that could harm children anywhere a child could be a child could be literally anywhere you know and I don’t think of all the things I worry about for my child even if I didn’t love dry Queens as much as I do the like oh they’re going to see a dude on with lipstick somewhere like there’s scarier [ __ ] out in the world than a man who looks fabulous um yeah you um you talk uh either in that chapter or a related one about how okay so you’re Pro drag queen and you don’t think drag queens are groomers uh and they’re not turning kids gay or anything like that many of them don’t give a [ __ ] about your kids either way yeah yeah yeah um and um but then you also talk you know in a way that seems sensible about like School uh laws where um school districts will not tell parents if their kids are transitioning or or or they’re being being treated differently at school than the parents expect and you say that’s wrong totally and while you’re very protrans uh rights and and even transitioning for certain people like why is that I mean that seems so obviously sensible why is that you know why why aren’t more people in that camp because because people because of the binary thinking because of the two sides because they think oh these are this is for Trans kids this is helping out trans kids so if you don’t support this then you’re transphobic and what if the kid is being abused at home for being trans and so on and so forth and what I talk about repeatedly in the book is if you feel really emotional about an issue or if an issue is really contentious the best thing to do is to take that piece out of it for a second and then look at it because what you’re saying here is that teachers should be not telling parents they should be keeping secrets about kids from parents that is that’s crazy that’s I that’s that’s saying that the state has greater ownership over your kids than you do that’s like some truly creepy communist [ __ ] right and just like there are already on the conservative side with there already with the grooming there already are laws against indecent exposure in front of children that’s already hella illegal just like that’s already like very very illegal you get in huge trouble for that same goes for child abuse whether the child’s being abused for being trans or not so there already are laws for these things but the government it plays on our fears whether it’s the Patriot Act or stuff like this it plays on our fears and it gets more power and control over us and it gets us to think that we’re good people for supporting it and really we’re giving up our own rights um took about how we get past this kind of binary thinking um you know and and you talk at various places about you know starting with something you know a point of agreement between people um yeah what are some of the strategies that you use either in your daily life or in your professional life that we might broaden out to you know kind of change the way we interact with each other honestly for me I think a huge tool is vulnerability uh it’s something that I do throughout not everything that’s how I live but definitely throughout the book I share a lot of deeply personal stories that uh I definitely you know haven’t shared before I talk about I do talk in detail about the abusive relationship I talk about struggles I’ve had with mental health I talk I mean truly I give I I write I print a piece of my diary from when I was having a full-on mental breakdown I talk about religion I talk and in terms of how it has been difficult for me and my family sometimes um with my now dead mother specifically our relationship because she was very religious and I was not so the complicated aspects of the relationship with my now dead mother um I talk about my sexuality I talk about my sex life I talk about my vagina I talk about you know my pet I talk about all these things because in the hopes that other people feel open to share things about themselves because or or to also share things about vag vagina especially about my vagina yeah but I really truly think that if we want to start to see each other as human again we have to be willing to show each other that we are human and I think that’s really missing and it’s a strategy that I’ve taken before even I mean I really try not to look at the Twitter stuff but sometimes it’s like kind of funny and sometimes the Instagram comments are kind of funny but what I’ve done recently a few times if I see something really hateful I will privately DM the person cuz they always follow me and I say that hurt my feelings nine times out of 10 the person’s like oh I’m so sorry I didn’t want to and I’m like you just called me an ugly [ __ ] and told me to kill myself you know what I mean like how did you think that I would like that like you know um but I because they don’t see you as a human being and I think especially with social media that’s also a thing and also I think that’s such such a huge way because so much of what you know as humans we have so much in common just because you have a disagreement on a political issue doesn’t mean that you’ve never been through a similar kind of breakup or you might have a parent that’s you know suffered from the same illness or you might have gotten arrested for the same thing or whatever you can have something you can talk about with that person can you know part of it and both in this book and and the previous one you also kind of talk about a you know gaining more experience and growing vulnerability as part of it and maturation you tell a pretty funny and a unflattering story when you met your husband who is a veteran who served in Afghanistan and you say like your opening line to him was something like oh you served in a useless War yes um how did he respond to that and did that kind of change the way that you I mean because that seems like both funny but it is kind of like a de a defense of Parry right like you’re negging him yes totally because I didn’t like so my husband I did not like him at all so I he’s not my type like I like to date like creative types um you know like musicians actors especially like failed ones losers whatever but creative losers was my type okay and um he was like a finance guy from a good job had a good job like from a good went to West Point from Westchester went to boarding school conventionally attractive emotionally stable which I really had become used to the kind of pizzazz that an untreated mental illness can bring to a relationship yeah so I didn’t want to go out with him at all but my sister was going through the dating app with me and she was like go he’s cute go out with him and I was like ew he played lacrosse like disgusting but I convinced she convinced me to do it so the first day he shows up and I look at him and I’m like disgusted cuz he’s wearing his Finance douche uniform right he’s come straight from work he has loafers on I start coming up with excuses for why I needed to leave immediately but none of them were working so I was like I whatever I’ll just get drunk so I had five tequila sodas and he told me yeah he told me that he went to Afghanistan I was like oh that you fought in a [ __ ] war and he was like as somebody who was over there I agree and he also was immediate so he was immediately kind of fascinated with me because no girl has ever told usually that people just say thank you for your service right right yeah he’s never been had anyone let alone someone he’s meeting on a first date for the first time say that the war that he fought in was good for nothing um so he was intrigued by that but I learned a lot be because and I I I write a whole chapter about weaving in how my own biases were wrong there twice because at first I was kind of like I don’t know I I didn’t know if I want to go on a second day with him or not CU I I didn’t really know he was fine but I also gotten like I kissed him and left but I was also like so drunk so but but then I went out on a second date with him after canceling two dates and he showed up he was dressed in like a hoodie and he came late and he was unshaven he had a hat and you’re like this is something I can oh he’s [ __ ] hot and then I actually never spent a night apart from him other than that but I also so I so I my biases were wrong there if I would not have given him a chance I would not be so happy now and have this stable life and like baby and all this other stuff that like actual normal like well adjusted people do um but also I learned a lot about you know milit he he he kind of was saying yeah as someone who went over there he was there at the tail end of when it was a actual combat Mission and he’s like I knew immediately being over there that what they were trying to say they were going to try to do was impossible I mean they wanted to create this sophisticated military force and teach them to use this equipment that required all this education across several different disciplines but people here couldn’t even read I mean he just it didn’t make any sense to him to begin with so I’m like oh you’re a veteran you’re very anti-war really if I hadn’t actually talked to him I wouldn’t have known that you really you really can’t assume things from from people without taking a risk of being very wrong um can we talk about your libertarianism um because on Fox you are kind of the house libertarian now right um and where did uh where did that start from and um how do you how do you maintain that over time because a lot of a lot of Libertarians have kind of wandered off into strange areas over the past 10 or 20 years they really have yeah they really have yeah I guess I’ve just always kind of been this way and for me I think that what I’ve I look I think that there’s a misconception too where my view of something not being a problem that the government can solve doesn’t mean that I don’t think the thing is a problem I think that a lot of the time people who are for small government people who are libertarian get criticized as oh so you don’t care if so people starve you don’t care if people die you don’t and it’s like come on you know I I really think everybody cares about that except for like the the rare true sociopath right it’s just more that I don’t think the government’s the best way to solve that and look at how much that they control now and they don’t I mean living in New York the amount that you pay in taxes is [ __ ] insane and what exactly do you get for it the mayor just lit a you know thousands of pounds of weed on fire right I mean yeah and we’re getting new trash buckets so you know going somewhere so I always just I always just go back to is the government the way to solve this let’s look at what the N numbers here say let’s look at what else they’ve touched and I can’t I I’m never ending up at yes so that’s kind of where that comes from for me did I mean you you’re from Michigan you grew up there you went to Hillsdale College um you know were your parents libertarian um or individualistic or yeah my dad was my parents were libertarian my dad’s like is more libertarian I would say than anyone my mom was cons they’re both definitely small government but my mom was really religious so she was conservative in that sense but it was also really weird because if any if you ever were to spend time around her you would never know that she was extremely vulgar and crass yeah just like Jesus like true like but like I am like we we actually the the exact same personality with different beliefs so we fought constantly we const and it would just get vicious she told me on her deathbed she said you were my favorite sparring partner that’s kind of beautiful thanks she also said um milk this as long as you can I’m not kidding because you she was a [ __ ] Force I will say that you call yourself an agnostic not an atheist but and you were raised Catholic but you’re not a Catholic anymore um does religion matter or how does it matter to you I want to believe in something so bad you know I want to think that I’m more than just this aging bag of bones and blood who’s just aging more and more and more until one day I become completely decrepit and unfuckable and and then I’ll turn to I’m seeing my I’m seeing my life flash before my eyes but and then I’ll turn it’s all [ __ ] over just like before I was born I don’t like that yeah you know I don’t like the thought of that J you it’s not a choice that’s the thing and that’s when sometimes religious people present it to me as like why don’t you believe in God and I’m like you think I don’t want to you think that that your way of my mom who I miss is watching over me and I can actually talk to her if I want and I’m going to see her again in heaven where nothing will ever be wrong again and all you know why would I not want to believe that if I could I just can’t get there I hope someday I can have some kind of belief I I find like I but it’s just I can’t get there and I also don’t know how I can get there because how am I supposed to have all the answers to the question of the universe I can’t even hold a baby yeah um speaking of babies and not getting there um let’s talk about the election um you know when you look at Trump and Harris you know is one preferable or do you go screaming for Chase Oliver the libertarian party or where where do you come down on them you know he doesn’t follow me back that is really that’s kind of a I think that’s saying something yeah I’m kind of like what the [ __ ] Chase yeah yeah well he’s very busy he’s very busy yeah I’m very busy I have three jobs and I’m growing a human um but honestly I’ve never voted for either major party and I don’t intend to this time either no I just I I I see it as if you are someone who is outright saying that I shouldn’t have some thing that I think is a right I’m not going to then vote for you to have power over me for me that feels like I’m being complicit in that and also I like to vote against the two-party system because I think it’s responsible for a lot of the corruption that we have because whatever these politicians do their own side’s backing them up and defending it by just pointing out how what the other side did was so much worse so it feels good for for me to vote against it what um what do you worry most about a second Trump presidency I mean just like going through it again you know what I mean I mean it’s just the I worry about honestly similar things regardless of who wins I think that the past two elections we’ve gotten to see how the other team handles it when they lose and I have I haven’t liked either result so can’t can we give them each participation trophies and then just not have a president or something I mean at this point we we we don’t have a president right now do we yeah that’s a good question like we don’t like like like is any when’s the last time anybody thought about him I’m struggling to remember yeah exactly he’s just like on the beach which is fine like he should have been there for a while but we don’t really have a president now yeah and I don’t want to say things are good but it’s not they’re not falling off a cliff yeah they’re not as bad as you think they would be if there was a no president is there um is there something about Harris particularly that worries you I mean I and obviously I think that all like the some of the ideas she’s shared about Economic Policy are just totally horrifying and stupid such as I you know price controls it’s almost if that’s not the way to make things cheaper right uh just as a B I have like a basic understanding of economics so I would say say that but just in in general it’s just I’ve been so disgusted by and this is there’s things that disuss me about every politician so like whatever but with her specifically and it’s not just it’s it’s actually not about her so much as the way the machine has just rallied around her and she became the most popular icon it girl after she was kind of appointed the new nominee without ever even like talking to anyone first it’s so nauseating to me like kamla is brat it’s like isn’t brat like doing cocaine in the summertime like isn’t what that is like she was she was a prosecutor like she doesn’t want you to do cocaine in the summertime like she locked people up for weed yeah you know and just people creating these the sing for politicians in general makes me sick cuz when I see people see like when simps go thank you one person agrees so when the the simps go off I think that was Chase yeah when they go off in my comments like oh c you’re the most beautiful person in the world like and some guy always comments like hope she sees this bro I feel that way sometimes when I see people talking about politicians or fighting with their F politics makes us fight with people who we actually know on behalf of people who don’t even know we exist that’s simping and that’s pathetic um what is the one thing that we can take away from I used to like you until how binary thinking divides us that we can Implement immediately when we go out into the other room and finish the food and drinks that you should buy it okay buy the book you should buy the book to save the country I will I really do think that if everybody read this read this book it could save the country I really do I think to take away is is just one single thing is does not tell you everything you need to know about a person and in this book I call myself out repeatedly for times I’ve done that and what I would have lost if I didn’t realize it soon enough and I I I really think that approaching people with a sense of curiosity rather than a sense of judgment is huge and also you really should buy the book I’m having a baby it’s going to be expensive yeah okay so uh thank you Cat Tim thank you for having me [Music]

Truly Right View: Advocating for Free Speech in the Age of Political Censorship

Introduction: What is Free Speech Today?

In a world where political discourse is dominated by big tech, cable news, and social media influencers, free speech is constantly under threat. From censorship of conservative viewpoints to the silencing of dissent on controversial issues, we are witnessing an alarming trend of restrictions on the most fundamental rights of any citizen in our Constitutional Republic: the right to speak freely.

But what does free speech truly mean in today’s context? Are we protecting it, or are we allowing authoritarian ideologies like socialism, communism, fascism, and dictatorships to erode it?

The Constitutional Perspective: Why Free Speech is Non-Negotiable

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution is crystal clear: “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech.” The Founding Fathers understood the importance of free speech in preserving a free society. Without it, the ability to challenge government, expose corruption, and advocate for truth would be crushed.

Yet today, under the guise of protecting people from “misinformation” and “hate speech,” powerful institutions are curbing our ability to express ideas that do not conform to their narratives.

Do we not see this as a slippery slope toward authoritarianism?

Shouldn’t we, as citizens, be the ones who decide what we can or cannot hear, not a centralized body or corporation?

Social Media and Cable News: Platforms or Gatekeepers?

Social media was once hailed as the bastion of free speech. It allowed ordinary individuals to share their thoughts, advocate for causes, and hold the powerful accountable. However, over the years, major platforms like Twitter (now X), Facebook, and YouTube have become gatekeepers rather than facilitators of free expression.

Algorithms favor certain ideologies, while alternative viewpoints—especially those with a more conservative or constitutional slant—are shadow-banned, demonetized, or outright censored.

Does this not resemble the tactics of monarchies, communistic or fascist regimes that control what their citizens can see and hear?

Shouldn’t a true democracy allow the free flow of ideas, even if those ideas challenge the status quo?

Social Media Influencers: Fighters for Freedom or Puppets of Censorship?

Many social media influencers, especially those aligned with constitutional values, have become modern-day warriors for free speech. Yet, they face intense backlash, censorship, and de-platforming for voicing opinions that challenge globalist or left-leaning narratives.

How many times have we seen influential voices banned simply for questioning government policies, election results, or health mandates?

Isn’t it concerning that only a select group of elites can decide what is “acceptable” discourse?

While some influencers fall in line with these restrictive policies, others have emerged as champions for free speech, using their platforms to resist censorship and uphold constitutional rights. The question is: Will we support these voices, or will we allow them to be drowned out by corporate and governmental censorship?

The Dangers of Socialism, Communism, and Fascism: A Threat to Free Speech

At the heart of socialism, communism, and fascism lies a common tactic—control over speech. These ideologies have historically sought to suppress dissent, limit expression, and create a monolithic narrative that favors those in power.

Look no further than authoritarian regimes past and present, where dissenters are imprisoned, media is state-controlled, and free speech is criminalized. Can we really ignore the striking similarities between these oppressive ideologies and the current state of political discourse in America?

Is the suppression of speech today not a precursor to more draconian measures tomorrow?

Should we not fight to preserve the right to freely express political, social, and economic ideas?

The Truly Right View: Defending Freedom in the Digital Age

At Truly Right View, we believe in the unwavering defense of free speech as enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. We reject the encroaching influences of socialism, communism, fascism, and any form of dictatorship that seeks to undermine this fundamental right.

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Truly Right View: Advocating for Free Speech in the Age of Political Censorship

Introduction: What is Free Speech Today?

The Constitutional Perspective: Why Free Speech is Non-Negotiable

Social Media and Cable News: Platforms or Gatekeepers?

Social Media Influencers: Fighters for Freedom or Puppets of Censorship?

The Dangers of Socialism, Communism, and Fascism: A Threat to Free Speech

The Truly Right View: Defending Freedom in the Digital Age

Join the Fight: Sign Up for Our Channel and Newsletter

Will You Speak Up or Stay Silent?

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