Homicide Detective Uncovers PROOF of the Bible's Validity | J. Warner Wallace | Kirk Cameron on TBN

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you’re looking at Christianity through the lens of a homicide detective there’s difference between possible and reasonable I’m I’m open to possibilities but in the end I have to prove the case Beyond a reasonable doubt that’s just not a reasonable explanation Jay Warner Wallace is an awardwinning detective who has been featured on Dat line more than any other homicide investigator he’s the bestselling author of numerous books including Cold Case Christianity Person of Interest forensic faith and God’s crime scene he’s an Adjunct professor of apologetics at Biola University and a senior fellow at the Coulson Center for Christian worldview and he’s a faculty member at Summit Ministries Jay thanks so much for joining me on takeway so glad to be with you so glad to be man a a homicide detective now what led you into that profession you know my dad was a police officer for about 30 years before I came on the job and he has my name had the same name and my son followed me on the job with the same name so we’ve been at that Agency for 62 years so I just followed my dad’s footsteps at age 35 if I understand correctly you were an atheist you were uh happy as could be you had a meaningful career you have a loving family plenty of friends you made a big change in your life away from atheism why was there something else missing what was what was wrong uh nothing missing I just my wife was interested and we weren’t raised around Christians so I didn’t no one invited me to church growing up I didn’t have friends that you know were Christians I just uh I think my wife was more willing to ask the question now that we’re raising kids should we raise them with some set of structural you know beliefs and I thought well my dad’s the same way he’s not a Believer he he would have been happy to go to church though with a spouse who wanted to go to church you just go as a non-believer and so I thought well I’ll go and and this this pastor that first day we went to church he pitched Jesus in a way that I could catch him he just said that Jesus was the smartest man who ever lived you know the most important historical figure of all history I mean whatever he said I remember thinking is that true tell me what was the aha moment that brought you to Christ out of atheism I work cold cases primarily right it is a cumulative case of a thousand pieces of what might not seem like the biggest deal but in isolation collectively they are powerful and so that was how I built the case for Christianity and it took me a while what are some of the similarities between investigating cold cases homicides and investigating the claims of Christianity okay so in in cold cases typically I’ve got a case a notebook I open up and some detective went out and interviewed an I witness and that witness is no longer available to me because this case is 40 years old unfortunately that witness is dead can’t talk to that guy can’t talk to the witness and sometimes the officer who took the report is also no longer available to me so now I’ve got a report in which I have no access to the witness or the report taker well that’s the gospels Luke is writing a report allegedly from the eyewitnesses and Servants of the word but I have no access to it’s a cold case cuz it happened so long ago it’s not a fresh hot case right well one thing for sure you’re going to assemble these cases the same way they’re on the basis of a cumulative collection of evidences that point to the same reasonable in all right all right so that’s how I built it I just needed to know and look we test eyewitnesses with a certain process and I don’t trust eyewitnesses Witnesses lie and that’s often I’ve I’ve been caught in jury trials where a guy said something all the way till we get to trial then suddenly he changes his mind no no no so I don’t trust anyone but I test them if they pass the test well then I trust them so I simply applied that test to the gospel authors to see if I could trust what they were saying about Jesus what’s the test well it’s based on on in our state 13 jury instruction questions that we allow jurors to think about when they’re listening to eyewitnesses but it comes down to four broad categories one r one were they really there to see what they said they saw number two uh can they be corroborated in some way number three have they changed their story over time and number four do they have a motive to lie to me a bias some reason to tell me a lie if I can get them through those four hurdles well then I know I can go to trial with those Witnesses because they are really telling me the truth they really were there they can be corroborated in some way and they don’t have no motive to lie to me so that’s what I’m looking for in eyewitnesses and I thought well if I like I didn’t have any other way in you know for a lot of years I thought doesn’t every Christian do something like this like like why would you believe Christianity is true yeah without going through this process but a lot of it was just that just the way that I examine these kinds of which I think is so fascinating and helpful it’s intriguing to me I tend to look at many things in my life through the lens of of a production right I mean even like you know what I decid to put on in the morning I think you know is does the Wardrobe Department uh would they approve of this yeah ex or that I’m directing the plan that I have for my marriage and for my family and each of the people in my family are playing a very significant ific role and I often have lines and plot L plots scripted out for us and if we all just follow the director things will go well that doesn’t always work well in in in marriage so I have to take that lens off at times and put on a Biblical lens yes right of of of compassion of of uh submission and other things but for you you’re looking at Christianity through the lens of a homicide detective I think that’s fascinating well and a lot of it you’re right about having to take off certain attributes of our job so so for me part of the thing I is is a really deepr rooted skepticism that I have about everyone yeah because you’ve seen the worst of the worst and people lie to your face and that can be devastating if you don’t catch it right and so I’m always assuming that everyone’s a liar until I proven otherwise and I assume the same thing about the gospels when I first open them up so it’s just practically um powerful for us as detectives to assume the worst in people and most the time when people ask me a question but they’re really asking as Jim what what am I missing here what’s the what’s the lie that I’m missing I can tell you this we the same way you have to take off that production filter that actor filter to to to put on a Biblical worldview we have to do the same thing as cops right so sadly often what we do especially working homicides is you draw a very tight circle around the people for whom you’re willing to cry and so that’s the struggle I think for a lot of us who are working in this job is how do we how do we wear a Biblical lens Jay you talk about how you were trained in forensic statement analysis as part of your tools to be able to determine you know who done it right uh so how does that apply to the witness statements in the gospel about Jesus well so every word matters in in forensic statement analysis not just the words you might say but the words you could have said but chose not to so I’m looking at options so I’m always looking at the words that are optional words that don’t need to be said so for the most part adjectives and adverbs are optional words you never need to use them so if I have a clicker for my computer and I tell you okay this is my gray clicker what am I really telling you I’m telling you I have more than one clicker because why am I using the optional word gray I don’t need that word gray just say this is my clicker you can you can see it who knows how many I have but this one’s the gray one so when you’re examining the words that people use and how they compress time and extend time and how they use personal pronouns how how am I describing you how are you describing me that tells you something about the intent of whoever is talking I just took that process and I applied it to the gospels and looked for those words that would give away a perspective perhaps you know like for example in early history there’s a a a church father named papius who says that Peter was preaching in Rome and that Mark was his scribe was sitting at his feet listening to Peter’s preaching and he from that he wrote the Gospel of Mark okay so I said if that’s true I should find Peter’s fingerprints in the gospel of Mark forensically so that was one of the very first things I started to do is to look and see if if I could trust that this was really from Peter because who’s Mark Mark was not an eyewitness why should I TR well maybe he’s scribing for an eyewitness well how would I know that look at it forensically so a lot of it for me was trying to figure out number one did this really happen are these really eyewitness accounts number two could I test them in a way to make sure they haven’t had facts added or or additional details added like how do I know these are the same stories that they were originally there in the first century that kind of thing how early were these written I needed to know that that kind of stuff before I could I could step off and say and by the way that does not give you belief in Jesus that just gives you Bel that in The credibility of the eyewitness yeah just gives you should I even listen to these people who say that they’re eyewitnesses and is this lining up and is their credibility here that’s right and then you talk about how you need to actually determine whether or not the explanation they’re giving for the events is the most believable explanation Jesus really did rise from the grave that’s that’s that’s a difficult one to believe and you talk about uh and and expand on this for us uh feasibility straightforwardness and exhaust yeah okay so this is about abductive reasoning right we do this for every jury we’re going to offer a version of what we think happened and the defense may offer a version you’ve got toig two different explanations same facts different explanations that’s right so what I always say you make two lists one’s a list of all the evidence the other is a list of all the explanations and then you’re referring back and forth between your evidence and explanations Crossing out the explanations that don’t really work yeah given the evidence I did the same thing with the resurrection look there are certain data points we could look at uh like we you know what do you is really true the very minimal data points yes that Jesus lived that maybe he died on a cross that people said he rose from the grave well then how do I explain that phenomena well there’s like seven ways to explain it and six are not Christian one is it’s a leg lying about it he’s lying about it chch fathers later made the whole story up exactly so I looked at all those and just said okay what what makes the best sense now every explanation has strengths and weaknesses this is true even when I have the true defendant in a trial yes my case is strong but it has weakness is well this is true for even the truth so the Christian explanation I think is by far the strongest but it has a weakness it requires a resurrection to occur and for me that was a step too far I was a philosophical naturalist I could believe all of the things in the Bible that don’t require a miracle yeah but once we get to Miracle stuff I’m out but then I had to ask myself okay this is why I simultaneously was investigating the evidence in the universe do I have good reason to believe that there is a God that is capable of a miracle before I start reading the gospels and if you look at the evidence in the universe the fact ample evidence the fact that we are in a universe that has a beginning already forces us outside of space time and matter to look for the cause of space time and matter that’s not my claim that is a claim in Genesis 1 but it’s a claim of cosmologists the standard cosmological model is still Big Bang cosmology that everything all space time and matter came from nothing now whether you accept or reject that as an atheist I that was my view that I believe that the evidence demonstrated that everything in the universe came from nothing well so well hold on then so how do I explain that I need a cause the only question is the cause personal or impersonal if it’s a personal being then the most amazing miracle in scripture is Genesis 1 everything from nothing all the New Testament Miracles are small potato Miracles compared to Genesis 1 so I just knew I had to read that text with an open hand that’s such a good point you also talk about the need for the explanation of the facts we’re talking about the gopel homes explanations but the resurrection is not it defies logic as we think of it naturalistically yes but it’s only logically consistent if youve know there’s a being outside space could enter yeah now it’s within the range of reasonable because you’ve already that’s why you know I think there’s actually eight attributes of the universe that can only be explained by a personal being outside of space time and matter so when I got to that point I thought okay now now I need to read the gospels through that lens a little differently that doesn’t mean that God did it that doesn’t mean Jesus rose but now it means I can’t exclude those as possible causes and something that would make possible yes this Christian explanation for the fact thought okay if what if the room is the natural Universe all space time and matter can I explain everything that’s in that room by staying in the room if I can I know I know no you cannot no you cannot and here’s say there’s eight things the beginning of the universe has to be explained uh the fine tuning we see in the universe has to be explained the appearance of life from non-life in the universe has to be explained the appearance of design in biology has to be explained the fact that we have Consciousness we have a mind a mind outside of yes and we experience free the hardware there is software and program that’s right that’s right also we have a standard of righteousness that we measure evil against yeah and and finally we have moral objective moral values that we all Embrace okay so how do I explain though can can I get that stuff with SpaceTime matter of physics and chemistry right being inside the room of the universe can we explain where these things come from no you can’t and the most that people will say and the most I would have said as a non-believer was well I can’t explain it but someday science will be able to that’s right we’re not going to LEAP to the god option because that’s just fairy tales and but trust me if you’re leaping to a future explanation is if it’s not God of the gaps it’s science of the gaps it’s the same you’re leaping to something you don’t have access to that’s right and you’re building your worldview on a miracle that is far greater than anything uh of the of the magnitude of a resurrection or a virgin birth you’re talking about the universe coming out of nothing you’re saying nobody times nothing equals everything and you’re standing on that as a as a philosophical naturalist yes and you’re trying to make all your decisions on that basis when a universe clearly doesn’t care about you at all there’s no right there’s no wrong so it’s not like I’m jumping to God for no no he is the by far best explanation for the genetic information Jay what did Jesus think about evidence versus that just sort of feelings based Blind Faith okay so let me just say this Jesus is a master evidentialist and how do you know this because he says like in the Gospel of John if you don’t believe what I’m telling you folks at least believe on the evidence of these Miracles that’s right he points to both direct evidence which is eyewitness statements of the father and of John the Baptist indirect evidence right he points to the indirect evidence of his spends 40 days with the disciples after the resurrection showing them many convincing proofs and the word proof in the Greek is a word we use for evidence showing them 40 days of evidence and then he assigns who gets to talk about Jesus in the book of Acts who is an apostle eyewitnesses as a matter of fact they replaced Judas with another eyewitness in Acts one somebody who had seen the Risen Christ all the way from the baptism to the resurrection that’s an eyewitness that’s direct evidence now here’s what I would say about it yes there’s a step we call a step of Faith here’s what it is when I get in front of a jury I tell the jury all the time I’m going to tell you everything that you need to know but not everything that could be known because even I don’t know always why he killed her or how he killed her but I can demonstrate that he killed her so I will say this to the jury I’m not going to be if you have to make a step across your unanswered questions here’s what I’ll do for you though I’m going to give you an Evidence Trail that’s going to point right to the defendant it’s not going to point a foot to the left or a foot to the right it’s going to point right to him but it’s going to stop short because those are all of our unanswered questions we all have them I have them you have them but I’m I’m G lead you right up to him I’m going to ask you to take a step which we call rendering a verdict when it comes to Jesus same thing we’ve got more than it doesn’t point a foot to the left or a foot to the right but that step is called a step of faith and it’s going to be across your unanswered questions but trust me there is nothing for which you don’t already have an unanswered question what is the difference between circumstantial evidence and direct evidence okay so you you get people say all the time there’s no hard evidence for Christianity no there isn’t because hard evidence is not a category there’s no hard evidence for anything we don’t talk about in criminal trials hard and soft evidence those aren’t categories there’s only two categories of evidence direct and indirect direct evidence is an eyewitness account somebody who saw it happened right indirect evidence is everything else indirect is DNA gunshot residue uh blood spatter evidence fingerprints those are all indirect evidences now it turns out there’s another word for indirect evidence it’s called circumstantial evidence so if it’s not an eyewitness it’s circumstantial DNA is circumstantial evidence when it comes to direct evidence it’s a matter of what can I test eyewitness and that’s what I had to do with the gospels indirect evidence the question is do I have the most reasonable inference from the indirect evidence what do you do when your Witnesses contradict each other as it appears to be the case in the Bible when you’ve got Luke saying there’s two angels at the tomb for Jesus and you’ve got mark saying there’s one Angel at the tomb right is that a contradiction of witnesses it might be or it might not be now of course in scripture I think that you can resolve these alleged contrad adds because this is not uncommon I don’t have access to the witnesses to ask good follow-up questions that’s right because it’s a cold case happened a long time ago deal with these when we finally get to trial believe me the defense attorne is going to make a big deal out of these differences but the reality of it is wherever there’s you know wherever there’s two angels there’s also one and if all my point in this gospel you just said that wherever there’s two angels there’s also one right there’s one right there and there’s one right there yeah so if if I’m only talking about the one I was speaking to so I I came up and I spoke to this Angel there may have been a second Angel there but why wouldn’t I mentioned the second Angel well this is so common in eyewitness accounts a lot of what we bring into the account is our set of desires our experiences our personal where your focus is yes what our focus is so for example if I’ve got a set of eyewitnesses and I’m interested in what is that guy wearing precisely I’m probably not asking the guy I’m probably asking the female witness because sometimes they’ll notice details that a guy won’t notice when people say well yeah but how could this be the inherent word of God okay if what God was trying to do was give us a set of four accounts that utterly could be tested as eyewitness account he did a great job because that’s exactly what we have everything is reconcilable in in their own unique way right telling the same story from their perspective unique perspective in their own language does the fact that some of these eyewitnesses laid down their lives willingly does that add credibility to their testimony for you and I if we said as Christians in this Century that we are willing to die for what we believe is true about Jesus it would have zero evidential value because lots of people are willing to die for what they don’t know is a lie but if if this is the one generation the first century eyewitnesses Who would know if it’s a lie if they are willing to die for it it has high evidential value why would they know if it was a lie well because they were allegedly said they saw this they saw J R from the grave right if they if they didn’t really see it and they’re just lying about it yeah why would you die for that you might get one to do that but this is what’s amazing about this there’s a history of martyr within the early church which is pretty uh well described it’s in the book of Acts so you see it early in pages of scripture you see it uh in the accounts that follow scripture of all the martyrdoms Death all the uh Apostles deaths and you see it in the early uh lives of the followers of the apostles who who said wrote that yes I’m willing to die for this because I saw the eyewitnesses die for it so that tradition of martyrdom in the early church I think establish is it’s only one piece though I would never say well that’s the reason no it’s not that’s not the reason it’s that plus all of the other stuff so you’re making a cumulative case on those four legs is it early enough to have been written by an eyewitness can it be corroborated to any number of external and internal corroborations has it changed over time and do they possess a bias a reason to lie you know motive yeah Mo deal there’s only three reasons why anyone lies the first one is is it’s it’s money greed sex but that third one the pursuit of power actually is the stuff that even you and I we have to protect ourselves against that yeah Pride Authority respect achievement yeah these are the things that move us and and laying laying down their life that that wasn’t getting them power some Skeptics would say well yeah but they were nobody’s and then they started saying they saw the Risen Quest they became somebody’s it’s a power thing well hold on so Paul who wrote most in the New Testament he starts off in a position of authority power and ECT with a larger group called the Jews with all kinds of the one of the best teachers was his teacher and he had the authority to draw papers against Christians you’re telling me that one day he wakes up and he says you know I’m going to jump out of this position of authority power and respect that I have right now I’m going to join a smaller group where I’m going to basically get beat up for the next 30 Years all over the Empire hoping someday to return to what I already have that’s right that to me is is it possible look there’s difference between possible and reasonable I’m I’m open to possibilities but in the end I have to proved the case Beyond a reasonable re doubt that’s just not a reasonable explanation because you have seen some of the worst of the worst things committed by people knowing as a Christian that there is a God in heaven who has observed these things happening on his watch has that ever made you doubt your faith in God no because I wasn’t raised with a faith in go I had to come to my belief in God through those doubts in other words that was I was the guy on the other side saying if there’s all this evil in the world how could there be a but it turns out there’s lots of reasons why any murder occurs it’s a collective case all these circumstances have to line up before that young person died I get it well in explaining any Act of evil it’s a collective why would God allow this well there’s a series of reasons why he might I’ll say one though right away for me as an atheist my idea of life was a line segment you’re born and then you live till you die that’s a line segment two dots birth and death but if I was wrong by the way all evil if I got sick halfway through died of cancer I would be upset because that would be evil why would God allow it to happen to me what if life is not a line segment instead it’s array that starts at Birth goes to that point called death but then extends infinitely into the future well it turns out that every year on the other side of the second dot now that space called 90 years in the line segment seems shorter if you’re a million years into eternity that 90 years just a blip whatever experience we have that we’re calling evil has to be measured in the context of the ray of Eternity that’s just one of I think maybe six or seven reasons why I can understand why God would allow this look God it’s not just that God’s all powerful and all loving it’s there’s a third dimension they always leave out he’s also all knowing he understands how everything that happens in our lives is connected to the other butterfly effect over all of the history of humanity that’s right I don’t understand that’s right he’s the great author and he’s the Blessed controller of all things working all things together good for those who love and are called ACC to his purpose how do you expain the most innocent the most morally being crucified on the cross unjustly and say that that was good we call that Good Friday as Christians because the author has Sunday that’s right two days later yes he understands what he understands the big picture Jay we could talk for hours thank you so much thanks for having for coming on and talking about cold C Christianity

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Homicide Detective Uncovers PROOF of the Bible’s Validity | J. Warner Wallace | Kirk Cameron on TBN

Truly Right View: Advocating for Free Speech in the Age of Political Censorship

Introduction: What is Free Speech Today?

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Social Media Influencers: Fighters for Freedom or Puppets of Censorship?

The Dangers of Socialism, Communism, and Fascism: A Threat to Free Speech

The Truly Right View: Defending Freedom in the Digital Age

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