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thank you Dr fouchy so I lived at the beginning of covid in northwest DC where I’d been you know most of my life and there were actual yard signs that said thank you Dr fouchy yeah the title is ironic but I don’t think so you told me before we went on that you’re from Brooklyn Massachusetts originally I spent most of my life in northwest DC they’re very similar uh well educated affluent enormous self-regard um you know these are communities that think a lot of themselves and it was those communities in retrospect that were the ones that posted the thank you Dr fouchy signs am I imagining that no that happened and yeah but in those specific communities in the richest best educated communities you know you I don’t think you saw a lot of thank you Dr fouchy signs in Gary Indiana or Detroit you saw them in Bethesda you know Santa Monica Brooklyn DC yeah and uh I had lived in New York for two decades by that point and I don’t think a lot of people in New York were thanking Dr fouchi I don’t think the sanitation workers were thanking Dr fouchi exactly the nurses weren’t thanking Dr fou I mean it’s a farce it’s it’s an illusion the truth is far from them [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] so I just want to set this convers I want to go through like what actually happened first I want to thank you for for making this um and I but I I I want because everything is so politicized particularly co uh I just want to be clear for our viewers who you are um you you know opposition to covid policy to mandatory vaccination um questions about where the virus came from these are kind of Staples on the right they weren’t at the time by the way I can tell you but they are now uh and you know silence and signs that say thank you Dr fouchy are sort of signifiers of liberalism right I don’t quite know how that happened but it did where are you uh I’m nowhere honestly I’m I’m trying to use my brain about what happened okay yeah good and uh I I don’t think I can I I don’t I think I’ve lost confidence in all political tropes about this topic and it really helped me see what was happening before with every other topic because I I consider myself a cynical person I’ve been investigating these type of scandals and crimes for a long time covid was about 10 times or 100 times bigger than any fraud or crime I’ve ever investigated and I think politics really was key to the manipulation you know dividing people and I just see it in everything now he the manipulation so that implies you don’t think the politics drove it politics was a tool that the people behind this used to subdue the population yeah I think that the folks who are in positions of enormous power power that I think is greater than nation states really it’s transnational Global power corporate power yes um I think that they benefit greatly from the population being divided and fighting amongst themselves about issues that are not even the truth and in in this case 99% of people on the planet were abused they were poisoned close to 20 million of them were killed and in that context they all lost and a very small small portion of people on this planet you know in the thousands benefited uh greatly even though they were responsible to some extent for this crime and so it’s it’s insane to think that for the people who were responsible for this that it was a win-win scenario for them while the rest of the planet was clearly a lose lose scenario there’s nothing political about that I feel like pounding my fist on the table in agreement I just that’s so nicely put um okay let’s start at the beginning what was this virus where did it come from I think that I want to give you an easy answer yes but I think I I don’t think we’re ever going to know exactly the moment that this virus emerged from a lab but we do know that the virus did not emerge from the wet Market in Wuhan and that it didn’t emerge in December it likely emerged in August um and that it was the product of research that was funded by the United States and the writing was on the wall that this research could have caused a pandemic for 5 years at least and there were regulations in place not to fund This research that fouchy and others violated to fund This research exactly so in that context whether it got on someone’s sleeve on their way to lunch or whether it was released intentionally everything we know about this virus has been a lie so so the form of research that created it is called often called gain of function and which in crude terms effectively makes a virus it’s manipulation of a virus to make it more dangerous in order say researchers to create more effective vaccines against it I think that’s correct that’s the U company line that’s the company line but it’s so self-evidently reckless that it was banned or sort of banned under the Obama Administration is this correct yeah it’s an interesting story uh it’s really what you’ll see in the film is that on the surface you have this scandal with covid you have this virus that doesn’t appear to be natural and you have a cover up clearly I mean if we can’t prove the moment the virus leaked or the exact origin we can prove that there was a cover up there’s more than enough there’s more than enough evidence to do that right now yes but the story didn’t start with Co the story started almost 20 years ago the story started really after 911 and uh you have a country that’s reeling from a terrorist attack and then the anthrax attacks happen and Anthony fouchy raises his hand to be you know the point person for biod defense research and all of the sudden billions of dollars go to his department and really out of the supervision of the Pentagon uh and other areas of the government that had regulated it and for the last 20 years this has been a debate and um the sort of coverage that was happening during the pandemic really thrived on the idea that this came out of nowhere and it’s a natural disaster and we all need to band together and we don’t know much about what it is and we just need to be patient with the government patient with the science patient patient with the medicine it was the opposite we knew all about this virus it had been researched for close to a decade the vaccine for this virus was in research for almost five years prior to the virus happening and um many scientist like the folks in my film have been ringing the alarm that this was an existential risk to humanity for close to two decades that’s crazy it’s absurd it’s those are big facts to keep secret for for five years yeah so um and there were other and and and what I discovered in looking into it was that you start to see a pattern and that there were other events in fact you brought up Obama regulating gain of function well that happens right at the same time that there’s an ebola outbreak in West Africa yes and there is a connection to gain of function research as a potential origin for that outbreak and it was successfully covered up and you find the same people who were implicated in that outbreak including Anthony fouchy on secret teleconferences right after the news breaks about Co and they actually happen to be people who write the most passionate papers that Co came from nature people who were previously suspected of being the source of a l leak so so we can say those people were lying when they claimed it came from the wet Market in Wuhan I think that there’s no way a reasonable person can look at the evidence here and think that people were telling the truth think that Anthony fouchy was telling the truth think that the scientists who wrote these papers wrote them with any ethical standards uh and that they didn’t commit fraud it appears that they all committed some form of fraud whether it be scientific fraud some some of these crimes are felonies they committed perjury uh multiple scientists committed perjury in front of Congress Anthony fouchy committed perjury in front of Congress but what we have to remember about fouchy is he’s been playing this game for 50 years he knows how DC Works he knows you know how to operate and the reason why he may get away with committing perjury is because he was the one who made the regulations for the most part on what gain of function would be and would not be and he excluded that dangerous research in Wuhan and on paper it wasn’t gain of function and that’s the type of game that’s been played for like I said decades now so I have I have too many qu I don’t want to overwhelm you you know a lot but you know I also want to speak in a way that people can approach this story because it’s it’s mindbending so let me just go back before I lose the thread you mentioned the an this been going on since the anthrax attacks which really were the the pretext that used to grab all this money and power well we can’t blame fouchi for all of it it was really Dick Cheney who had you know been very successful at using 911 to achieve other things like oh I noticed of Iraq yeah and the the erosion of all of our civil liberties true um the you know permitting torture uh violating the Geneva Convention these things were all in play after 911 because we were in a war against Terror and Anthrax was painted as a continuation of the war against Terror the truth is is that as Bush and Cheney were leaving office it was released that anthrax was not a terrorist attack anthrax was an inside job from a scientist at Fort Dietrich one of our bioweapons facilities so I I remember that uh vividly I had white powder sent to my house had the biot team at that you know 2001 I’ll never forget it um but we never really got a definitive answer on who sent I mean there was the the person Accu first Steven hatful was accused MH falsely by the media including the media organization I work for the time and then there was another guy that that’s exactly who’s since died well died is a a very generous way of putting what may have happened to him do you think he did it do you think he was murdered I think that when he began saying that he didn’t act alone and that the media’s version of his story was very far from the truth and when members of Congress started believing that he didn’t act alone he suspiciously committed suicide by taking a bunch of Tylenol so I don’t really know many accomplished scientists biot terrorist experts people who understand all the different compounds that can kill them very peacefully and very fast who would take a lot of us camenen to kill themselves it just very suspicious and the timing was even more suspicious and I think what I learned was that in many ways Anthony Fat’s whole sort of advancement into this unchecked power into becoming the most prominent scientist on the planet the largest funer of biomed research on the planet was predicated on a hoax and to this day he’s never admitted that anthrax was not a terrorist attack and you can’t find that anywhere in his book if it wasn’t a terrorist attack what was it anthrax was a false flag attack and Anthrax like 9911 allowed for the complete deregulation of bioweapons research of biod Defense research and if you go back in time you see this Confluence of things you see the science advancing in very exciting ways like crisper the ability to Ed a genes to do things we’ve never been able to do before and you see this idea that we’re we’re under attack and that the enemy may use unconventional means to attack us and bioweapons immediately came into Focus because of the anthrax attack and that was used to fund a lot of counter measures quote unquote counter measures for bioweapons but the interesting thing about about gain a function and the interesting thing about doing this research in the first place is that in order to create a counter measure for an agent that’s never been known or created or a virus that doesn’t exist you have to create the agent and the virus yes and so it creates a weapon a pandemic that is never been seen by man before and arguably carries more risk than it car’s benefit and fouchi was almost Evangelical about this research to the point that it was suspicious and scientists like Richard ebite and others uh the Cambridge working group I mean this the debate started almost directly after Anthrax and fouchy began doing this research I mean the debate started in like 2002 that we should not be directing all of our research dollars into this one narrow field of quote pandemic preparedness and yet foui did and amassed so much influence and Power in that system that he was able to shut down every critic and there were a lot of close calls and there were a lot of red flags you know after Anthrax and before Ebola fouchi supported the engineering of Aven flu in 2011 to make it Airborne bird flu is not naturally airor born it takes a while to transfer from its host you know Birds to humans it happens with pigs it happens with other intermediate species and a scientist supported by Anthony fouchy uh used gain of function techniques in order to hone the virus to be airborne in humans so this was celebrated by fouchi as a victory of science uh there was a big debate on whether the result of this study should even be published they were published and fouchi and Francis Collins who was also the NIH director at the time of the pandemic and very much part of the whole problem that we faced they wrote an opet in the Washington Post and said that this was a flu risk worth taking that doing this dangerous research could cause a pandemic but that it was a risk worth taking because we would be prepared for that pandemic prepared with vaccines yeah and and and therein lies the next sort of issue is that I think clinicians doctors who treat people uh folks that are pragmatic will take any Remedy or any countermeasure that’s effective to help their patients and would I in fact I I would replace the word pragmatic with Humane Humane any way to stop suffering any way anything you know do do your job was just to heal yeah yeah and I think that fouchi represents sort of almost this paternal grandfather likee figure self-proclaimed because no one asked for this who whose job felt less about protecting people or developing things that could help all sorts of people and more about carrying a line on what was important in science and and digesting science for people in a way that was if you look back very infantilizing you know well you know this is how this works and that’s how this works and if you listen to him at a Podium he has an incredible bedside Manor but he’s failing to tell you every conflicting piece of evidence he’s failing to tell you every you know piece of gray it’s very black and white yes and he’d been that for years I think yeah right and the bottom line is the vaccine right and so he was he’s not a virologist he’s an immunologist and really in many ways his focus is vaccinology right and so there are such thing as biologist epidemiologist and and all those people were supported by his funding his research but fouchi appeared to have one goal and one solution for problems s which was to develop vaccines for them yes and I think like many doctors and scientists would agree vaccines are very important in fact there could be a pandemic coming any day now that a vaccine may be the only thing to stop it and so much damage this is very ironic so much damage was done by fouchy and others to the concept of vaccines that um it could be a real trag it could be a real tragedy when we actually need a vaccine and people are so distrustful of Public Health and uh I think that when you have very powerful people who have been in DC for decades they live in a bubble where they forget what the rest of the world is doing the way the rest of the world think and for some reason in their calculus in their head they they fouchy and others thought that this was the way to talk to people these were the things to do and maybe they didn’t understand the cat atrophic risk it was 5 years ago this month that people started to drop dead in the central Chinese city of Wuhan 5 years since the beginning of Co tens of millions dead societies reordered completely economies destroyed and yet for some reason we still don’t know answers to the most basic questions where did this virus come from how did it get here why did the government tell us to do things they knew wouldn’t work none of those questions have been adequately answered and one man knows those answers his name is Dr Tony fouchy until now nobody has really pressed and now a documentary filmmaker called Jenner first is out with a new film explaining exactly what happened the film was called thank you Dr fouchy Jenner first spent years trying to get answers and in that time as he awaited Dr fouche’s response he went through tens of thousands of pages of documents and pieced together the story which is shocking we are proud to host that documentary here on TCN from December 20th to January 19th you will see it exclusively here on TCN again it’s called thank you Dr fouchy and it’s worth it maybe maybe there’s another explanation one of the things that I learned but never hadn’t known before was that there are a lot of people in our Public Health establishment who think vaccines are the point the point and this has gone on I’ve never been against vaccines and um you know always been grateful for the Suk vaccine Etc took a bunch of vaccines myself but I always assumed that they were sort of tools used by physicians to heal people to save people from illness I didn’t realize that this mindset was very different from that they were almost like vaccines were the point and this goes back you know I mean Diego Rivera I think painted a a mural panel about vaccines like the the worship of vaccines for their their own sake is longstanding and I don’t understand it what is that do you have any insight sure I mean I think that if we looked at every other part of our government our society that we can see the influence of money and you know companies yeah and sadly public health is no different than any other industry any other part of our government they Lobby uh they spend a lot of money the pharmaceutical industry spends a lot of money there’s a lot of money to be made on sick people and sadly folks in positions of you know that that are making policy for America which in many ways leads the world in a lot of this stuff is very influential those folks are are sometimes compromised and I think that your what you brought up about vaccines you can see the same thing across the rest of the pharmaceutical industry that many times there is a cheap and effective cure for something that costs $2 and it’s not going to get promoted and it’s not going to get talked about because a new drug has to be developed and a new treatment has to be developed and instead of focusing on a ton of different things that could have stopped people from dying let’s just take the research aside let’s just take the part that America could be responsible for the pandemic in the first place and that absolutely tragic crime the way that the public Health establishment in many ways run by Anthony fouchy and I can explain that a little bit more um had one focus and that was to develop a vaccine and that people like Bob Redfield would tell you that it wasn’t even the vaccine that could be the safest it wasn’t the vaccine that could be the most reliable it was the vaccine that was going to be an mRNA vaccine and that really is was the core of influence inside or speed it was madna and fizer and they got the first bite of the apple and J&J of course and astroica they also were part of it but this mRNA technology fouchi had been talking about it for years and it initially was for cancer it didn’t work and they had shifted about four or five years before the pandemic into developing a pan coronav virus pan influenza vaccine and a lot of that research was happening in places like Wuhan and so it was you know almost a reverse engineered scenario where the number one cure for this virus was going to be an mRNA vaccine despite it you know the science or you know regardless of whatever the testing or the safety that’s what had to happen but the nature of an mRNA vaccine as distinct from conventional vaccines is risky it’s very risky and it’s also a miracle of science right it’s that we can teach our bodies how to fight these things and this kind of you know taking vaccine technology to the next level you know but I mean I think a Layman would say correctly that in in doing that you’re potentially tampering with the formula of life and we’re not that intelligent as a life force I mean we use about 10% of our brains so to think that we could manage the Fallout or the blowback in species that are a billion years old I think is extremely Pomp and insane of humans to think that and that’s what scientists also believed who didn’t get the air time and who many of them their career suffered when they challenged fouchy on this premise that this gain of function work you know forget about the vaccines which are the flip side just the gain of function work alone is playing Master of the Universe yes and the idea of an mRNA vaccine itself sort of raises a lot of qu you sure that’s a good idea well it’s interesting you know that we’re coming to this four five years later I think if you look at a pattern of horrible scientific accidents and catastrophes bad policy bad products it takes usually a decade uh 20 years 50 years you you’ll see in the film it’s interesting you brought up sulk sulk had a competitor that was the oral polio vaccine and they were both racing to complete trials at the same time and there’s data that suggests that that scientist Hillary kosi who was in the Belgian Congo was using chimpanzee kidneys to propagate his polio vaccine against the concerns of a lot of scientists who worried that viruses could go from chimpanzee the humans really easily we have very similar DNA and he did those trials in uh 57 to 59 and the first articulated outbreak of HIV is in 1959 in the same city that he did those trials and therein lies the most complex hardto faom you know conundrum right you have people trying to save the world racing to save the world trying to cure polio and they unintentionally cause another pandemic potentially and fast forward 75 years and it happened again and that is really what this story is about I mean you can’t you can’t play God with this stuff I mean these the these things are there’s there’s no way to model all the blowback well they’re living organisms for one thing they’re not static so um you can’t fully understand them you can’t and that when you when you lay in arrogance and you lay in unchecked power and you lay in lack of transparency and oversight the amount of damage that can be done from this work is exponential it’s exponential at that point you know when you have people who haven’t been challenged for 20 years on their decisions and who have amassed so much power and just put yes men around them that’s what the ni Aid was that’s what the NIH was you got to remember out of anyone in HHS the overarching organization fouchi was the most senior person in that entire organization and in many ways I think he was seen as the most powerful person in that organization and so if you look at the story of covid you’ve got the CDC director Bob radfield who’s known fouchy since the AIDS pandemic and he is completely and totally marginalized and iced out of the conversation and the entire time when fouchi is out in public he’s saying I’m just following the guidance of the CDC and anyone who had inside knowledge knew that Anthony fouchy was the one who had the most influence on that guidance and that the CDC director wasn’t even in the room and if you understand American bureaucracy you know how these alphabet agencies work and he he was it was almost strategic that his title was in such a buried organization in the middle of the stack he’d have a lot more scrutiny if he was the head of HHS but for 50 years he’s had a title in a in a buried alphabet organization Institute within HHS under the NIH after Cheney gave him these resources it was understood that Cheney was the mo that excuse me after Cheney gave fouchi these resources it was understood in those uh institutes that Anthony fouchy was the most powerful person in the NIH he had a direct line to the White House he had he had he had security clearance he had line align to Congress the NIH director wasn’t doing anything like that the HHS director wasn’t doing anything like that fast forward to covid the HHS director came in with the administration former pharmaceutical executive Alex AAR worked for Eli Lily okay and you’ve got Bob Redfield who’s got a lot of integrity and believed that there was a lab leak and within we of having conversations directly with fouchi about that he found himself locked out of the room and it’s very convenient that fouchy appear to be this little old man who is all about helping people and he’s a scientist and science first and he’s a doctor even he never really cared for patients we saw in Congress uh one of the um questions that was directed at him during his hearing was you know did you treat any patients during Co were you there did you intubate people did you watch them die of course you didn’t and um the truth about Anthony fouchy is is a is a lot harder to to digest and I think a lot of people were on to it for for years but half the country believes he’s a hero still how did that happen I’ve interviewed a lot of documentary filmmakers I’ve never met one able to explain his subject matters clearly as you are so thank you for that I just want to go back to something you said at the beginning you said that Co first made an appearance outside the lab in August so of 2019 so there’s two narratives there’s the narrative that we’ve been given for the last four years and there’s the actual fact pattern and what is the closest to the truth that we currently have and if you take it chronologically and you ignore the media that came out that announced the pandemic was happening and that the source was a wet market and you just look at the facts that even existed on American intelligence servers at the time that there is more than enough proof and evidence to show that some sort of incident happened at the Wuhan lab in either August or September there was a push to redo the HVAC system in the lab there was a transition from civilian to military control of the lab there was the they they erased their entire database of coronav virus samples of all their different collections of different Corona viruses that summer all happening in sequence all in the early fall late summer of 201 19 and then in October of 2019 there is a massive Olympic style event in Wuhan where teams from around the world uh from armed forces from around the world like in in America our Navy or Army that the Marines sent teams to Wuhan to compete and this was an event that had been scheduled for years it was a diplomatic event using Sports and athleticism to bring different countries together and at that point Wuhan was partially shut down that there is satellite photos of overcrowded hospitals that there were drills happening at the airport that were pandemic preparedness drills and that they were called drills but really they were I think active response to an actual pandemic outbreak an actual leak of a virus and this intelligence all existed before the world military games and before we sent our Armed Forces to compete in this event and we allowed our allies to send their teams to compete in this event and that event in October of 2019 was the original Super spreader and what people I think don’t know about covid but that the researchers knew about co uh was that it was incredibly contagious and that it has a up to a five day dorcy period And it on top of that a lot of people are asymptomatic yes so you could have an event like the world military games and knowing what we know about this virus now by the time the virus was reported the virus had likely spread around the world multiple times and I know we all have friends who are like well I was sick in January and I was sicker than I’ve ever been uh people say they were sick like that in October and places like Washington and nov November Washington State my wife got sick in November in Spain mhm and so that narrative checks out and all that happens after that leading up to the point where basically the emergency room chaos of Wuhan leaks there’s a doctor who posts some stuff on WeChat and uh he was immediately arrested and told to erase all of his stuff off of social media because this is the way that the Chinese government was trying to contain the story and then when it became known that he was a doctor who was trying to help people the Chinese ended up giving him an award and a month later he died and there are a lot of other suspicious deaths in China uh of Co yeah and so um you know I I I I hope I’m explaining this in a way that’s digestible I find that when you when you look this in the face and you really see it it’s you you have to remember that the rest of the world hasn’t had that privilege or opportunity to understand how damning the the evidence is and and how ugly the story is and how many pieces of evidence there there have that that have existed for years now I mean there is a what drove me to make this film I think and and fall into it was okay I could buy that Anthony fouchy is is not honest about everything I could buy that the United States government does nefarious things and and uh potentially was funding research they shouldn’t have been funding I could buy that the pharmaceutical industry would want to cover up a story like that because after all they were going to make billions of dollars from the countermeasure of the vaccine what struck me the most was me as a conscious sort of anti-corruption and looks reads between the lines doesn’t trust media sources had existed in this bubble where I even I was not aware that there was a grant proposal to do this work two years before the pandemic happened and that it had been reported on for two years and I didn’t even know it existed yes and that was the most horrifying thing for me was that I was just another sucker you know I’m a educated investigative reporter of sorts who you know doesn’t like I said trust anything I want to dig deeper I want to go and see and that I had lived in an algorithm that completely ignored this fact and it was horrifying to me and I learned that papers that I have trusted my whole life like the New York Times And The Washington Post were in some ways the largest distributor of state sponsored propaganda in the country and that they were republishing studies that had no scientific Merit and putting them on the front page some of them before they even hit peer review who was feeding them those stories and then when a writer wants to write about something that isn’t a a a bat a penglin or a raccoon dog and that is more related to an apparent coverup and and a lab leak Espionage a bunch of things that are extremely newsworthy those writers uh were told they couldn’t by their editors but here I am just a civilian like everybody else believing that the news I’m getting is the news and you know I want to give credit to people on the right who have broken with the mainstream media and uh live in a world where they feel like they need to question everything now and I felt I already lived in that world and here I was completely seduced by mistruths misinformation propaganda for years maybe the biggest lie about abortion is that it’s just not a big deal that’s not true and studies show it a year after having an abortion women overall had a 50% higher chance of needing psychiatric treatment and an 87% higher likelihood of personality and behavioral disorders that’s not healthc 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creates neurological damage it creates damage in your heart your liver it affects every part of your body creates autoimmune disorders that are hard to even detect they’re so pervasive in people’s life little things that if you look back You’ be like oh yeah I sneeze about this uh thing all the sudden I have allergies for this that I never had or women who who menual Cycles changed not simply from the vaccine but from the virus people who have still have long Co right now and long Co is not some phenomenon that’s um you know obscure it’s it’s directly tied to the synthetic nature of the virus did you get Co I got Co it felt different yeah it was different and you know what’s interesting is I was I got the first two shots and after that I was like this is you you know I’m not boosting I’m not doing it this has gone too far now and I believed that I was an asymptomatic person uh and that I wasn’t really going to get covid in the first place I was going to be asymptomatic and you know a lot of people are asymptomatic and what’s so troubling about the virus is it has such different effects for different people and so for the most part it strikes the elderly the amuno compromised but you could have a genetic composition that makes you die from lung complications and appear to be a healthy person you could have a genetic complication that makes you die of a sudden heart attack and even worse you could have a genetic composition that now two years later you’re learning that you have a rapid stage three or four cancer and I say that because everyone can assume or or accept that the vaccine could cause that problem but we need to open up the idea that the virus itself can cause those problems that is how ugly this virus is and the type of brain fog complicity you know we all got a hit over the head with this virus I don’t know if you remember when you got it I experienced fatigue and brain fog like I’ve never experienced in my life and there’s certain people who now have it sapped your life force your will to live your will to live and I’ve been depressed one day in my entire life life 55 years had one day of depression and it was when I had Co that’s impressive um I wish I had whatever year eating for breakfast or yeah good um but but I never understood what people meant when they said I feel depressed I’ve been sad of course many times um which I think is healthy but I’ve never had a feeling of hopelessness or true Bleak nihilistic despair ever not one time in my life until uh Thanksgiving 2020 when I had Co and I I couldn’t believe it I was worried yeah when I got it for the first time after being vaccinated um I I said this feels completely different than any other virus I’ve ever had I don’t get sick much I get sick like once every two years and I was very sick and then in the middle of the night I I started having trouble breathing and I was like wow this is scary and this was all before I made the film this was before I got the call to if I was interested in investigating fouchy So within a couple months you know um before making this film I had experienced Co and really was the sickest I had ever been from the virus and I went and uh I was scared so I got Pax loid and I ended up getting better and then getting sick again about 2 weeks later and it didn’t really feel like a great remedy it felt more almost psychological uh that it’s going to help me it’s and and you know my symptoms reduced but then I got sick again and then something crazy happen I’m a healthy 40-year-old man and um I I don’t have any other medical complications and I H have as I said a very strong immune system I only get sick rarely once every couple years I got shingles right after I had covid and took PA lovid and I was like how is this possible I mean yeah stress all these other things but I don’t fit the sort of bill for that you’re not Edie no no and I found out that two of my cousins who are the same age as me had just gotten covid and had gotten shingles and I went online and I read that a lot of young people who get Co are getting shingles after they get covid and I’m sure people listening to this are going to say yeah me too that’s crazy it’s not a coincidence this virus directly targets your immune system and does things that are hard to even compute I mean some of them are so varied in people they’re as varied as our DNA and um I had had that experience right before making the movie so I was very uh I think open-minded to the idea that everything uh everything I was told was not necessarily the truth is um because it was engineered and because genetics play a determinative role in illness and our response to viruses and our response to everything is it conceivable that whether by engineering or not that certain genetic makeups are more susceptible to illness yeah and I think if the Chinese were actively constructing a bioweapon that you would look at America’s General health condition and that this virus disproportionately affects people with diabetes people with heart issues uh we live on a very poor diet here in the United States we’re one of the richest if not the richest country in the world and the quality of food we’re eating is is it’s the opposite of what we should be eating um yes we’re eating poison every day and and that’s effectively permitted and lobbied for and and we don’t regulate it and so if you look at that from an outside looking in and know that we’re in such poor health it would make sense to make a virus that targets a certain genetic composition I BMI sure and in fact uh this was documented this is there was Intelligence briefs that came out you know after the state department report a year after the pandemic and those intelligence reports show years of knowledge about the Chinese bioweapons program and the question is how did we develop years of knowledge about the Chinese bioweapons program because we were effectively funding and supplying the Chinese bioweapons program with our most talented scientists who were giving them Technologies they didn’t already have and the exchange was so that we could spy on them and if that isn’t a completely insane proposition I don’t know what is yep and we knew at that point and maybe what caused such panic and alarm was that the Chinese were experimenting with things that were very very questionable and dangerous they had genetically engineered a human embryo so that the CH child was born immune to small poox and polio and I believe HIV and that there were programs in place to understand the Chinese genome as it pertained to viruses to protect against viruses that were targeting the Chinese genome and of course if you look at the flip side of that would be to make viruses that do not Target the Chinese genome and I want to remind people who makes it easier when you have an ethn stage sure it it does and and you know I think we have to remember that we are the front runner of those Technologies so whatever the Chinese are doing they’re likely sifting that technology from us and the United States is not off the hook in Crazy research and Anthony fouchy was pedal to the medal on this stuff for two decades so do we know whether the virus escaped intentionally or by accident there are some breaks right now that are happening and I think right when the new Administration gets in and a lot of folks who are very concerned with this issue and passionate about exposing the truth we’re going to know a lot more really quickly but there’s some really concerning stuff that was just released that DOD officials had a briefing about the potential accident in the virus in October of 2019 so previously the intelligence was labeled sort of unanalyzed that it was just on a server and we didn’t see it which of course is extremely suspicious I mean we can see how many nose hairs someone has from a satellite at this point I mean the idea that wouldn’t be able to sift one of the largest most troubling signals that you could ever see on an intelligence server and have an alert set up for it just is it’s illogical it doesn’t make any sense but we now know that they actually did meet and they did discuss this incident and we also know that the dod was very privy to a proposal to create this virus it was called the diffuse proposal it was submitted in 2018 it’s taken four years for us to learn that 15 other US Agencies saw that proposal before the pandemic think about that so I mean that doesn’t prove but it certainly suggests you know an intentional act it does and then the part that is also very troubling that people who whose anonymity I should keep who have security clearance and who did not disclose this to me in an very explicit way but who signaled that they believe this to be the case is that American scientists using American Research dollars at American institutions and with the federal government created a proposal partnering with a Chinese scientist at the Wuhan lab XI Jin Lee who was also a Chinese military scientist yes it was a military lab effectively it was a military lab and that many of the scientists even who were coming to the United States had dual affiliation with the military program and it is believed now that the Chinese funded the diffuse proposal what would stop them from funding The Proposal we gave them all the technology we outlined what we were looking to do now if you read that proposal cover to cover you’d have to be really I think scientifically you know knowledgeable and astute to understand what they were trying to do but the reality is what they were trying to do didn’t make any sense in this proposal was already subterfuge they were trying to go and take a virus that had never been seen before from the jungle from areas like yon Province where where these viruses can jump out of Nature and cross over into humans take them into the lab and put a fern cleavage site into the spike protein and play with this part of the virus called DC sign or this pathway which targets our immune cells and tells us not to fight the virus until it reaches our lymph nodes and that we’re being infected directly in our immune system and the proposal says how to do all of this and the purpose of the proposal apparently is to see what the virus will do and that the thing that the takeaway at the end of The Proposal is that that they want to make a bat vaccine and go and they want to spray it in a cave so that a virus like this doesn’t um come out of Nature and so anyone who’s really looking critically knowing what we know now that part seems like and that the real purpose was to create a bioweapon um that was very effective or to at least continue research on the spike protein and aspects of the spike protein that hadn’t been resolved yet and when I say that is that the niid in fouchi was funding research about Fern cleavage sites and the spike protein because all of it was relevant to the MRNA vaccine because it was the part that they hadn’t really figured out yet the fign cleavage side causes this toxic reaction and there was Research into it and Ralph baric had done research into it this is stuff that predates the pandemic by years and so this proposal in many ways was probably a continuation of that type of work but the proposal was also a cookbook on how to make a really dangerous Corona virus uh one that would be devilish and one that would be worse than any that had ever been seen and the logic I guess is you know we got to know what’s coming and prepare for it the irony is uh we weren’t that prepared and a lot of people died and the proposal itself says that effective countermeasures for a virus like this are currently chloroquin and REM dise no yes the proposal in 2018 acknowledges chloroquin as an effective method for treating this type of coron virus and so you have all these different reasons why this proposal does not see the lot of day for years and thank God for a Marine in DARPA who finds it on an area of of that server that is not classified which makes one believe that someone in the classified area of that program wanted this to be exposed and if Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Murphy did not expose this to the public we may have never found out that this proposal existed mind you 15 US Agencies saw the proposal and it was pitched to them two years before the pandemic happened how do Travelers stay prepared for the unexpected well when you’re flying across the country or driving for hours crammed into crowded spaces and yet most people don’t think what they do if they got sick or someone they love got sick have you thought about that well now it’s the holidays it’s the busiest travel time of the year and it’s also flu season everyone’s stressed people are coughing and if you’re unlucky you could find yourself ill in a place where you need medication so what do you do about that well thankfully there’s a solution that’s called Jace go Jace j a e go it’s a compact kit of entral prescription 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and there’s no call for reparations from China for this yeah I think it’s it’s it’s a head scratcher right but if you follow the money this was the largest transfer of wealth in modern history there was a moment in the pandemic when literally billions of dollars a second were moving from the poor to the rich and anyone under a certain income bracket no matter how you cut it they lost yeah yeah sure PPP loans you do you own a house I did at the time yeah yeah most people in their 30s now I guess you said you’re 40 but um they’re not buying houses no like this is a renting Society postco sure and it completely transformed the social structure of the United States forever in ways that we don’t connect as fluidly as we should right so there is a Nexus of tech companies virus research pharmaceutical companies biotech we call biotech but even Straight Tech right metabiota is also owned by Google okay and if you are going to have say an effective bioweapons attack you’re going to need to control information and what I think a lot of people don’t understand is the biggest client of all of these tech companies is the United States always yeah so before you see the announcement about the microchip or the new development the US government has likely already purchased 510 billion do worth of the technology and it a year before and you don’t know about that and there’s privileges that come with that obviously because you can Leverage The Government Can leverage tech companies as we saw with covid and can access data you know and and this is carryover from from 911 you know the Patriot Act alive and well you know tech companies at that point I think were primitive compared to what they are now I mean I don’t even think in 2001 we understood how online we would be living our life but Co magnified that by 10 I didn’t even know what Zoom was before Co no I mean Skype was a thing and it was like why this is okay FaceTiming like sure but like our entire Society moved to a remote existence so that benefited the companies that created those Technologies I mean Zoom stock went you know through the roof it benefited all this entire ecosystem of data and it also really benefited um the intelligence community and others who could sift data that they weren’t privy to you and I are no longer having a conversation at a coffee shop we’re having one on zoom and um you know that’s one kind of gain small compared to the other gains let’s just look at the pharmaceutical companies over $120 billion do between all of them in the first couple years of the of the vaccines going public um and the stock market you know it was a perfect example of the elite which I think fouchy really represents and that is very common in DC it doesn’t matter what party the people like yourself who know DC know that when you make it to DC it’s a party and the people back home aren’t invited it’s not about you being a Democrat it’s not about you being a republican DC is an insular system and that it is an elite system and that the most and you know uh deep pocketed lobbyists and people trying to influence policy forces from outside the country having you know offices there and of course America’s largest Co corporations you know engaging in in in whatever they can to to have the law favor their interests that isn’t that isn’t favor any constituents that doesn’t have anything to do with what people voted on and everybody’s very collegial with each other you know there’s a lot of mudslinging on social media and there’s a lot of mudslinging on TV but in the halls of Congress everybody’s very cgal with each other everyone knows the game that’s being played and I think that it’s an illusion uh in the truth of what’s actually happening um most of the time is policies and actions that hurt the poor that weaken the middle class and that ingratiate and further the wealth of the wealthy and um I I maybe that’s my Progressive left-leaning politics coming through I don’t consider myself a political being anymore I think politics itself is Sinister I don’t think you can be a politician in America and not be compromised in some way because at some point you’ve had to ignore a truth in order to promote yourself to get to the position you’re in but that’s the system we created and Co was a microcosm of every weakness that already existed in that system and so you have the worst event that ever happened yet our stock market was on a sugar high for years people got rich during covid just from their stock positions well who has stock positions not the guy working at the sanitation you know uh not not the not the teacher you know it was great for wealthy people who oh my God my kids can come with me on vacation I can just take my work call from a golf course and the nannies are covering it if you lived in East Baltimore and you were African-American and you were you were you were in a school district that was struggling you didn’t even log on for two years we lost a whole generation of kids to remote learning those schools should have never been closed and yet you you brought up all these places in the country that had thank you Dr fouchy signs well what do they all have in common these are upper middle class parts of the country poor people did not get anything from Co and if they continue to wave the flag of of who they believe their political hero is guess what there’s no politician who’s really doing much for the poor there’s some talking about doing stuff for the poor but what actually trickles down to the poor is very very small and they are getting more and more dis disenfranchised and when you talked about reorganizing society that was one of the biggest takeaways they are more and more disempowered now the poor of America than they’ve ever been couldn’t agree more and there are a lot more of them than there ever have been ever at any point in our history I’m very aware of that so um so the question of why does Washington continue to cover it up might be answered just by noting because they’re the beneficiaries of it and they’ve got something to hide so like why would they it’s working right it’s working okay media went up Tech went up y stock market itself went up you got an election with an incredible turnout y right I mean what’s better to get people to come to the polls than racism um you know a vaccine they shouldn’t be taking uh some kind of regime change that’s happening illegitimately I mean we have to remember that if you really take a bird’s eyeye view of the system it benefits both parties it’s not simply like Republicans go and do a strategy that divides people and it just benefits Republicans I agree it’s this is a self-affirming loop I agree I mean that’s what the that’s what in the end the trans stuff does is it it does serve both parties actually and I think the race hatred that has been imposed on us it’s not organic um does the same uh it’s it’s all intentional it hurts both sides too it hurts both sides what destroys your Society ultimately but it it definitely distracts people from you know other things you know go hate each other leave us alone as we lud it uh this isn’t new this is Bacon’s Rebellion this happened at the end of the 1700s it’s when when black and white slaves United and took over Charlestown Virginia okay because the British uh were giving them too much taxes and they wanted more protection against Native Americans it’s a very ugly story they successfully took over a colony for 2 years and the plantation class looked at that and said we have a serious problem right here here because if they realize who the real enemy is and who’s getting rich off their backs we’re we’re and the whole concept of chatt slavery and three-fifths of a man and white people being better than black people was perfected at that moment because it’s incredibly effective at dividing the poor right down the middle and look at when Martin Luther King got assassinated he was at the point where he was focusing on wealth disparity I know and programs for the poor that’s when he got killed not when he said that we’re all created equal yeah yeah and uh he’s not you know the only one who got assassinated for moving yeah so um I just want to touch on the public health response after the virus became Universal and um you talked about why you think there was relentless focus on vaccines the exclusion of other uh potential remedies um medicines but masking you know physical separation of people it was super obvious right away those were not affected but they they were policy for years after that what was that I think that fouchi believed that whatever it is you tell the public it should be simple and uh there should be no room for confusion about the Mandate you’re giving what that leads to is the type of behavior where you’re for something one day you’re against it the next day you don’t have conclusive science on boosters for children in fact there’s no science for boosters to children they should have never been recommended and yet they decided to augment that data and just make it simple for people I mean this is giving them the benefit of the doubt and not assuming that there is a more nefarious reason why these policies existed that were all about Ultra vaccin people constantly and it was also a lie that we should have been locked down in the first place and that our schools should have been closed in the first place that was a lie so when Society is at the brink and everybody is going insane in their homes and can’t get back to work can’t go to a bar can’t go to a baseball game everything about American society has shut down the amount of Leverage you have to sell a solution that is completely black and white that you know this is going to do it this is going to bring us back and anyone who doesn’t do it is the enemy you know that is of course really effective it was there couldn’t be anything further from the truth it didn’t stop the spread it doesn’t stop you from getting Co it doesn’t stop a lot of things in fact it itself makes you sick it in of itself makes you sick do you think um we’re getting the outline of the public health disasters caused by the co virus and by the lockdowns I mean are we getting a sense of what the consequences are I mean let’s take masking and children there’s children don’t really get sick from covid sure they spread covid but let’s be honest about what covid is it’s the second most infectious virus in history everybody gets covid some people get sick some people don’t get sick some people get really sick some people get moderately sick if you have a comorbidity or you’re elderly you could die uh our Public Health policy was about protecting a small portion of the population that was at risk at of death a small population so if we’re going to be honest about that it that that made no sense right so what makes more sense is to say grandma can’t get this virus so we got to protect grandma and and my my you know my son who’s got cancer or my you know Aunt who’s got diabetes we got to make sure that they have safe places to go and that they’re contained and this vaccine should be available for them anything trial should be available because they’re at risk of dying from this really scary virus that’s assuming that you don’t know anything about the virus already that’s a big assumption yeah let’s go back back to the the news coverage right how many times did we hear we don’t know what this is we don’t know what it does you know uh policies to wash surfaces and wash your fruit in the sink you know when that had nothing to do with the way that this virus spreads because to admit that you know what this virus does is to admit that you’ve been funding it for years and that you know what the fur and cleavage s is and that you know even the way that hi V viruses interact with Corona viruses because fouchy funded a study by the same scientists who were implicated in in the covid disaster um to experiment with Corona viruses as an HIV vaccine in 2014 so this is a Pandora’s Box you open it up just a crack and it blows open and all hell breaks loose so for almost a year lies were told about this virus not just where it came from but how to treat it how it was spread if we were honest about lab engineering we would have been able to stop the spread in the way that it mattered the most the problem is you can’t get an emergency use authorization for a vaccine if there’s another useful countermeasure so if you look back at the media and you start and you look at it with cynical eyes and you’ve lost trust for Anthony fouchy at this point like I did and I said okay well I see one line you know it’s like in a true crime when the detective the person tells one lie and they’re like okay well this probably the killer because now they’re lying about this one thing that’s the way that it felt for me it’s like how could you tell lies this big and not be lying about everything I have to assume that you’re lying about everything now that’s a fair assumption and so you know you’re going to push this experimental technology that conservatively should take about to 10 years to test in humans before you release it to the public that’s going to make certain individuals and companies billions of dollars money by the way that flowed back to the NIH and to Fouch organization we know now $650 million funded back to that organization through royalties from the pharmaceutical companies and there is a system in place that is favoring a fixed outcome and that outcome doesn’t have anything to do with public health and it doesn’t really have anything to do with the most effective thing it’s got to be new and it’s going to Ben it’s got to benefit our friends and madna was a great friend to the US government in fact madna was mostly funded by the US government for a period of time was never really a successful company um they had been working on that cancer program with mRNA it didn’t stick um they were also funded by the dod directly so it’s a pharmaceutical company being funded by the dod the Department of Defense and ultimately this project was a big deal for fouchy and for others and this idea of this coronavirus vaccine and the way in which it got preferential treatment in the process is obvious in fact there was a deal to develop this vaccine before the p mic was even announced and people will tell you oh no that’s just a coincidence that the the the information sharing agreement with Ralph baric the guy who was involved in the research at Wuhan and madna and NIH and you know Fouch under Fouch influence that was just a coincidence because it it says on the paper Ms vaccine not not SARS vaccine um this is the type of trickery and Tom foery and that runs bureaucracies you know you you you you’ve been in the system long enough you know what to put in an email you know what a grand proposal should have and should not have in it and you know if you’re going to do an information sharing agreement before the world is hit with the worst pandemic of a generation for a vaccine um to have a front runner position that you don’t want to have too many fingerprints on that so let’s call it a mge vaccine and not a a a SARS vaccine all of that happened all of that happened and the reason why it happened is because there was knowledge that this virus was going to ravage the world months before it was reported and that it’s insane to think that Anthony fouchy a preeminent infectious disease you know not a virologist but someone in public health who’s been studying these viruses did not get the memo that a virus was spreading all over China before December that’s hard to believe so we were at a meeting here at TCN the other day and I looked around the room and every other person had a kind of Ruddy Vitality of Pink Cheeks alertness Bright Eyes full mental acuity and a cheerfulness you could almost smell and I asked why does everyone look so good and part of the 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around Wuhan um including to Milan Italy and all over Western Europe and after they knew that this pandemic had begun that the virus was on the loose how do you explain that well it’s interesting because there is this theory that Anthony fouchy a man with so much knowledge understood that in the wrong hands This Disaster could be World War III and that the reason why he covered it up was to prevent Trump from you know starting World War III and and making a declaration of War because of the actions of the Chinese um yeah that plays well but I think that there’s a a much harder pill to swallow in that we covered it up because we were part of it and what we did in the shadows that hasn’t been reported yet who knows how ugly that is and that’s our government China’s gon to be China China’s gon to do what China does China is for the most part and our enemy in the United States I don’t consider them my enemy because I’m not a government I’m a citizen and I I think that all governments potentially can be abusive yeah my government is abusive right so if people don’t have civil liberties in China if people can’t report on things and they’re censored on China if the citizens are you know neglected and abused and and and um manipulated in China I have a logical explanation for that China’s going to be China the part that I refuse to accept is that you know the the great experiment of democracy the sort of the leader of thought in the on the planet the the the guardian of Truth and democracy and you know the the best system did the exact same thing yeah and pretended like they were the good guy so I don’t understand I know keeps beginning every sentence that I don’t understand but um I don’t understand either well after 5 years like where the people where the courageous people in the media or the Congress or the executive branch where the courageous Physicians the researchers the they’re all in the movie and that’s what’s so interesting is that if you look at this movie there aren’t that many then there aren’t that many sadly but there are many that aren’t in the movie but I I think a phenomenon happened that I joined this party at a point of real I think apathy even for the people that fought so hard to expose the truth because that by that point there had been a grand proposal that got released to the public there had been all these damning emails to fouchi there had been all this and still no uh widescale awareness and what’s interesting is that’s when I started making the film in a way what feels like the bottom of this story is that all of this exists and no one’s doing anything about it and for many people who are not really in love with Donald Trump’s policies or or find other aspects of that base hard to swallow they feel this great hope now and three people in our film are going to be in prominent positions that are historic the nominations for these positions Jay bachara is going to run the NIH wonderful man he has been smeared and maligned he’s a wonderful scientist and biologist he’s a decent human being a very decent human being and someone who cares about helping people yes I totally he does not have any far pharmaceutical underwriting no weird agenda I totally weird agenda Marty Mari yep okay in the movie okay Marty mcari is a wonderful doctor who did whatever he could to challenge some of the sort of subjective medicine that was happening during Co he believed in her immunity he believed in a lot of things that uh you know were unpopular but the truth is is that when he said the pandemic was going to spread all around the world back in January he actually was not loved by Republicans and they called him an alarmist and you know a lot of things so let’s just realize that who who appears to be a polit a hero on one political party was an enemy a day before I mean I’m that person now I mean I I if you look at the rest of my movies I mean I’m someone who would be labeled uh you know An Enemy of the State for for someone on the right the truth is is that the truth actually matters and that if you look Beyond politics we need to unite around these things and so the film is a coalition of people including Jeffrey Sachs who was on this show uh and uh is a is a a wonderful thinker and someone who is clearly on the left and and Sam husseini who’s a Palestinian American journalist who’s been kicked out of a lot of press rooms who is you know extremely outspoken about what’s happening in Israel and and and and is a is obviously dismayed by what’s happening in Gaza uh and it goes against cast right that all of these people agree that Co was completely and totally an inside job lab accident that Anthony fouchy is you know for lack of better word pure evil and you know that’s what’s needed now and what’s incredibly refreshing is many of these voices are now in nominations for huge posts that have been compromised for decades the NIH has been compromised for decades I mean at least as long since 911 but potentially longer and the FDA I mean that’s been compromised for a long time now and uh there’s also other people I mean I was given permission to say this but Andrew Huff who’s in our film is uh under secretary to RFK you’ve got a guy who was a firsthand witness to the spying of a USF funded nonprofit on a Chinese lab and who worked for Peter Dash’s nonprofit who was then harassed for years and called a lunatic and a lot of different things and the truth is that he knew what he was talking about and he he’s now in a position to use his knowledge of technology and use his knowledge of epidemiology to monitor pandemic threats and I mean all pandemic threats not the ones that you know just come from nature you know we actually have people in positions right now what RFK is going to do for anyone who understands the extent to which companies are poisoning American citizens with the permission of the American government literally okay half of the things in a supermarket aisle are not good for you and when you go to Europe they’re illegal okay or you go to Japan or another country they’re illegal Russia Russia illegal okay but here in the United States they’re not and the amount of Health complications that exist from these products fuel the other part of the industry which is Perpetual sickness and Co whether designed to do this or not creates Perpetual sickness and one of the most frightening things is that This calamity is not behind us right in fact the media wants you to believe that it’s behind you they they believe through their data they claim that people are over covid they don’t want to talk about it anymore how could we be over something that’s still augmenting our genes right now it’s still have has a panoply of reactions including turbo cancers even if you just got the virus and weren’t vaccinated how could we be over that and how could we be over the fact that when we lied about it originally when it was lied about and the the media didn’t cover it that more funding for This research happened there are more Labs doing gain of function research right now and one of the most frightening things that concerns me and I believe is absolutely urgent right now is that for the last six months we all have seen reports about bird flu coming over naturally from cow milk from a cat uh there was a farm worker who got it and uh call me a cynical person the threat of bird flu lab generated bird flu has existed since the study that Anthony fouchy conducted funded with Ron fusier and um Koka for 10 years people have feared a bird flu coming out of the lab for 10 years the wet Market proved that you got to be a little bit sharper at a story of a coming from nature and for 6 months now we’ve seen story after Story isolated crossover and it’s not just from One Source it’s coming from milk it’s coming from a cat you know to me this is them sharpening the tool because it is absolutely inevitable that a bird flu will cross over into humans and it won’t be natural and the one we’re going to be infected with is not going to be the one that infected the cat or the cow milk it’s going to be from a lab and do we have any sense of what the effect will be Co changed everything about the world and the fatality is like 1 to 3% Max for a virus like Co for a lot it’s some people would argue it’s under 1% bird flu is like straight down the middle doesn’t matter if you’re a kid or an elderly person you’re starting in ranges of like 10% to 50% mortality yeah bird flu is way more lethal than Co bird flu when fouchi funded these studies and scientists were debating the work at conventions there’s a scene of it in the movie a journalist says I thought this was a doomsday virus why are we doing this work it is a doomsday virus and keep in mind all of the Transitions and shifts and power that occurred for a virus that was not a doom doomsday virus what happens when there is a doomsday virus who’s going to benefit who’s going to lose how much power is going to ship from an event like that and you’ve got a situation now where all the people I just mentioned going to destabilize the FDA going to destabilize the ni going to declassify all of the information that would prove a story that’s incredibly damning for a lot of people including pharmaceutical companies nation states you’ve got Donald Trump who’s not liked by a lot of the establishment and these bureaucracies that thrive on being insulated in some ways more powerful than the president of the United States some of the bureaucracies and and that’s been proven through history multiple times it seems like it would be a really great time for a distraction and the risk is that we are going to suffer from another man-made pandemic before we figured out who’s responsible for the last one and it’s going to hurt us so much that we won’t even care yeah and that’s coming that’s why this is urgent that’s why I have no issue partnering with anyone who wants to do activism around this issue if we thought nuclear disarmament was a core issue uh threatening you know uh the human race this type of work is in multiples of hundreds as far as the r why are there biolabs in Ukraine I think that the whole Ukraine thing is is really fascinating right like I can’t tell you that we know that by the way it’s not a conspiracy theory I mean no there’s Biol secary of State announced it in the sen totally and metabiota and the connections to Hunter Biden metabiota is very much connected to the research including things like the diffuse proposal including Peter dashik who’s like an evil scientist SLS spy who’s potentially not just spying for the us but spying for the Chinese Communist Party um and working as a double agent I mean all of these why are all these things why are they all in the same bucket it’s it doesn’t make sense it’d be like oh wait but why would you have biolabs in a war zone I don’t understand perfect place to have them right no one’s looking there’s no regulation you can do whatever you want there in fact a lot of the work we were offshoring in China served the same purpose their regulations are weak well that tells you everything right there I mean if you’re you know if I’m looking for a place to construct a bolab I’m thinking I don’t know Geneva yeah right I’m not thinking the poorest country in Europe the most corrupt country in Europe Ukraine I mean why would why would you do that because they the the most you know capable scientists are they not a lot can happen in the cloak of chaos and War um we know that from history I mean things happen in in war zones so just that specific question torian announces we’ve got biolabs and Ukraine what um a few people I noticed I did a segment on it immediately attacked by CNN conspiracy theorist um I don’t want to single out CNN but I think when we look you know 10 years from now if we’re still here we’ll see that the pandemic was kind of the high point the apy of their power like maybe the last moment CNN could actually have an effect on the country they had so much power and time and again it was not an accident they were saying things they knew weren’t true but that were consistent with the story line from people like fouchy like what was that I mean in all fairness let’s be real your former employer used to do the same thing I almost got fired over it oh yeah they were mad at me so let’s not no one is singled out in the in the corrup nature media I agree with that because it’s about ratings because Roger als’s brilliant idea to make opinion-based news yes killed the W Walter kronite approach maybe I worked at CNN before you know Fox started and it was it was the same idea I mean that you know that’s a complicated question but I every one of them has a cancer if MSNBC I mean they had fouchy on and celebrated his book uh he was on mattow he was on all these people and look I know for a fact that Rachel matow is a very intelligent person and I think she may mean well I know Joy Reed Joy Reed was in one of my films she’s an intelligent person and she means well the industry that is that they are in is driven by this kind of insanity and it’s a miracle that you made it out honestly well I was fired but um it’s a blessing you were find oh I agree but no my question is not like are they good people or not a man of obviously I know them I spent my life there but the question is like what are the mechanisms that the government uses to control media coverage that’s an interesting question how far up the ladder do we want to go do we want to let it be the government controlling media companies or do we want to admit that the government has suffered from complete agency capture in every division of the government and that veiled interests like pharmaceutical companies or the military-industrial complex uh you know companies for-profit corporations influence the government more than its voters more than its politicians right so we’re getting back to where you started which was by saying I thought astutely that what you’re looking at are powers bigger than nation states more more powerful than nation states and when you say agency capture it’s not just in the strict sense of a federal agency it’s agency which is to say the freedom to do what you want you know agency like human agency sure the government doesn’t have agency actually because it’s subject to Powers bigger than itself correct and and I I want to you know I’ve been dying to do this but the Deep state was ours first I mean you know the concept of a deep state was a leftist concept of agency capture and things like this I me we could argue that use that I still don’t I hate it’s Buzz it’s a dog whistle I agree and I hate using it because I feel like a freaking wacko because I lived in DC for so long and family worked for the government and I just always scoffed at people who use that term but of course it’s completely real they they were right and some of the people I disliked most I’ll just say it they were right about that they were and mainstream media same thing dog whistle you you hear that on the left you’re like I’m done talking to you mainstream media whatever guy you know go back to your conspiracy theorist right let’s Bolshevik communist okay terrorist conspiracy theorist notice the trend yeah right these deep State mainstream media people who devise strategies for capturing the population this way aren’t dumb we’re we’re as a species we need it to be simple right and we are currently being divided by simple Concepts like that even though the truth behind them is very real we do have a problem with mainstream media being completely captured and you asked how how does it happen why is it that there are wall-to-wall ads for medicines do you think anyone sitting at home saying you know honey I want to talk to the doctor about a prescription for Rex Luby or whatever yeah rebellis or you know um you know I can’t even they’re so absurd the names they’ve run out of names are so absurd now what is that so it’s funny I mean I started in cable TV in 1995 that’s 30 years and it was only in the last couple of years I think it was Bobby Kennedy or someone who’s thought about it more than I had said to me this exact thing the point is not and I wondered like who’s buying this who’s asking his doctor for rebellis nobody the point is to control the news organization correct right it’s not a consumer play no right I didn’t understand that I don’t I was too close to it these but that’s true large media organizations considered to be the last line of defense the Free Press in the United States the fourth estate are completely captured the same way the FDA is captured the same way the NIH was captured they’re captured and they’re drunk off the tee of the people who are paying for ads and if someone’s going to pay for that many ads and you lost that ad Revenue overnight that’s an incredible bargaining chip should probably shouldn’t cover that no that’s a hit to your stock price there’s no doubt I mean that’s that’s a real thing um no I ran up against it I didn’t understand it at the time I mean the problem with hosting uh a nightly show is it doesn’t leave you a lot of time for reflection outside of your area so you know you pick a topic in the morning and then you spend all day thinking about it presumably you’ve thought about it before but you’re thinking about your script and what to write and but it’s just hard to see the context for anything of course right you’re you’re distracted so it’s an art form honestly I I I really respect and appreciate the people who are running daily programs like that and offering you know to their viewers a take and I get the privilege to spend I do it faster than most but I spend about 8 to 12 months sometimes you know 14 or 16 living in a story right and living in this story for that long and looking at the data and the evidence for that long I’ve lost a lot of sleep I bet I’ve lost a lot of sleep I’ve lost a lot of Hope and I think that people often ask well what are we going to do now so then what what should we do then there should be should there be laws should there yeah there’s got to be laws there’s got to be all sorts of things there’s got to be an urgent intervention right now to stop the lab work that’s happening that could cause another pandemic but in a way you know you can’t turn a battleship in the middle of the ocean it doesn’t do a U-turn I mean there’s a lot going on right now that needs to be you know dismantled and and like I said what is what is crazy is that four years ago under the indoctrination under the sort of way that I had lived my life I would look at a Donald Trump Victory and I’d say this is it’s it’s it’s it’s a a disaster you know this is the way liberals who are you know drunk off msnb see they they think the world is ending it’s a great consumer to have when a consumer thinks the world is ending they actually spend really freely can get into that in another episode but um the way fear really affects people’s but this constant fear uh you know the people that are actually most afraid of Donald Trump are are a lot of them are extremely powerful folks running bureaucracies who have been able to control the system for a period of time a lot of them were Republican Senators actually correct oh yeah and uh chairman of Intel committees yes yes and that’s and that’s this other side to the story and and it it was it was it was really heartbreaking for me to have these affiliations over the years and then to see this affiliation that I had identified with and mind you I’m not a political person I see fraud in all politics but to see that who I believed was out there to help the poor and provide service and believe all these different things about equality and you know these buzzword um was the elite and by the time we’ve gotten to Joe Biden it’s the party represents the elite now it doesn’t it’s not doing anything for the working class it’s not doing anything for the poor it’s not protecting the people that I think should be protected and maybe I’m biased because I’ve lived in cities most of my life but there are some services that are needed and of course there’s corruption in every service I don’t have an answer and you know the truth is is that a lot of these politicians they don’t have an answer either but they’ll tell you what you want yeah in order to get there and when they get there it’s a whole different type of question well you got to believe in our business you’ve got to really sincerely believe that saying the truth out loud is a necessary step whether or not it solves the problem but without that you definitely can’t solve any problems there’s a lot of spiritual people who think that just saying the truth is a Divine act we have to be willing to say the truth it’s people are afraid to say that is a core precept to both Judaism and Christianity yeah in the beginning was the word yeah and uh no that’s absolutely right and I I personally believe that um because I mean I know it but but just in a political context just on a policy level you can’t fix a problem until someone stands up and says actually here’s what it is so I’m I’m dismayed by all all the different signals that exist that sadly it’s not possible anymore and as much as I want to believe it is on a political level that if we’re not on a Search and Destroy on those bureaucratic levels and those sort of all those agency Capture Moments and that we’re not just putting crazy people in management positions and I can I can tell you it is it is crazy for me to see the individuals who I know and who I’ve sat with and who I know that they have integrity be called crazy wacko Fringe you know idiots you know they’re going to you know whatever and so I think that that’s the real reform is you know until you clear out that rot right and we were talking about pharmaceutical companies having the Lion Share of AD Revenue across the entire sector until you make it illegal for pharmaceutical companies to advertise in the United States same way tobacco companies can’t advertise you know on television you know they could they’re relegated to magazines and they can’t even have Billboards in a lot of places pharmaceutical companies should be way worse you know the their products their products more dangerous I mean I’d much rather have my kids use tobacco than ssris sorry yeah it’s true yeah um so last question what you’ve Ed to this a couple of times but like what effect has this had on your life yeah I mean um like I said lost a lot of sleep I mean like anyone else Co did you lose friends you know what’s interesting is I didn’t wow great because when I could finally get through to people and I had their attention I saw the transition happen in them and I think what’s interesting is like if you look at a zombie movie or you look at a um you know a piece of Science Fiction there’s always a hack right there’s a hack to the to the Mind Control there’s a hack to the sickness that people are suffering from the the thing that’s turning them against each other and I think that one of the most Sinister things about Co is we lost the ability to sit in the same room to look someone in the eye to have a conversation yes and even before covid even by the time we got to the 2016 election maybe before that we lacked the ability to have conversations across different ideological that’s right you know means but the fact remains that if you have a logical conversation with someone about an issue that that’s really where our Humanity comes through and all of the different platforms that we’re living off of that we’re addicted to uh social media you know regular mainstream media it’s designed to actually take us out of that humanity and to make us mechanical in the way that we live our life and the more mechanical we are the less willing we are to say oh wow that’s interesting um I feel that in my heart and I I truly believe I will make this challenge to anyone who considers themselves a liberal a Democrat who feels heartbroken about this last election that if you can make it 10 minutes into this film you will never feel the same way ever again and I believe that it’s not because I’m a great filmmaker it’s not because you know uh it’s special it’s because the information has been so disperate purposefully that you can’t connect it in one sitting and what the film does is it allows you to connect 75 years of scientific arrogance of government you know disasters all in one place and realize they’re all connected and that has been deprived of the public for decades now a lot of it because of cable news because there isn’t enough time to connect all well that is true man that is the truest and so I could sit here with you and despite you know seeing you on the air and maybe you had opinions that weren’t my own you’re a human being we’re sitting here we’re having a conversation I don’t care who you voted for because we’re talking about the truth now and we need to have that conversation because everyone is at risk right now this is not a political issue everyone not just in America is at risk everyone on the planet is at risk right now and if it can benefit certain people so enormously whether it was an accident or intentional and if so much power can be transferred from an event like this it’s going to happen again that’s right and that’s why I made the film and that’s why I’m willing to work with anyone who’s passionate about stopping this from happening again about holding people like Anthony fouchy accountable about you know getting rid of the rot in in these agen that are meant to protect people since when are we not about consumer protections anymore remember that part of the United States when people were trying to protect constituents it’s the opposite we’re selling effectively selling American citizens down river to abusive and somewhat murderous forces that have captured our government and believe me they’re not Donald Trump they’re big aggro they’re big Pharma they’re they’re things that poison us every day there’s there’s connective tissue to these stories like in the movie that if you sat and you experienced it in one place you would never look at the world ever again the same way and I all I hope is that it can break through enough to do that and I I thank you for having me on to discuss it you know it’s an amazing amazing two hours thank you thank [Music] you so it turns out that YouTube is suppressing our show I know shocking that in an election year with everything at stake Google would be putting its thumb on the scale and preventing you from hearing anything that the people in charge don’t want you to hear but it turns out it’s happening so what can you do about it well we could whine about it that’s a waste of time we not in charge of Google or we could find a way around it a way that you could actually get information that’s true 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