Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson on why Marxism is so appealing

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[Music] why is it do you think that uh oh here we go that marxism is such a rooted ideology compared to things like classical liberalism or all of these other ideologies that we see like this thing’s been around since the mid-1800s and it’s taken over almost everything especially college campuses why do you think that is well that’s a good question i mean i think the the first communists let’s say the russians let’s say for the sake of argument they were much less reprehensible philosophically than today’s marxists and the reason for that was well they had a utopian vision and not that that’s necessarily good thing but they didn’t necessarily know that it was a bad thing right and so and the old aristocratic european structure was crumbling and there had been a terrible war and you know the czarist regime was well compared to the communist regime it was heaven on earth but you know it had its problems and so there and even as nietzsche said you know that that communism would be worth it as an experiment but he also said this was in will to power that hundreds of millions of people would die as a consequence which is one of the most remarkable prophecies i think that have ever been uttered by anyone ever okay so it’s attractive it’s utopian but then there’s the dark side of it right which means everyone who has more than you got it by stealing it from you and that it really appeals to the cane-like element of the human spirit right everyone who has more than me got it in a manner that was corrupt and that justifies not only my envy but my actions to to level the field and so to speak you know and and to look virtuous while doing it and so there’s there’s a tremendous philosophy of resentment that i think is driven now also by a a very pathological anti-human ethos that you also see at the base of of much of the environmentalist movement like it’s not like we’re not doing some stupid things to the planet like what we’re doing to the oceans for example is reprehensible beyond comprehension but you know i’ve heard environmentalist state quite straightforwardly that human beings are a cancer on the planet it’s like if someone says that to you you know you should move away from that person very very quickly because that statement is genocidal in its in its spiritual origin and so i think there’s a there’s a there’s a whole cluster of unexamined motives of resentment that primarily drive the the resurgence of the marxism but it’s also a consequence of the poor the the biased education that that that that our our children receive you know they know a bit about the second world war about the nazis but they don’t know anything about what happened in the soviet union in china like often in universities and i teach a personality course it’s like that’s not where you should be learning about the six million ukrainians who died of starvation in the 1930s but most of my students have never heard of any of that it’s like what the hell we fought a whole cold war about that we damn near annihilated the planet because of it and all of a sudden it’s well it’s an inconvenient for the neo-marxists to notice that that the regimes of of stalin and mao were brutal beyond comprehension so how about if we don’t talk about it you know so there’s lots of corruption that’s driving this but a huge part of it is resentment and like i think the worst emotions are resentment the worst actions are resentment deceit and arrogance and you get those three working together boy you’ve got a force that you better be careful with do you think it’s dying off or going away do you think marxism is dying off or going away at all or do you think it’s getting stronger i think that what’s happened is that it’s it’s transmutated into this post-modernism and identity politics which was really really devious really devious and that was a consequence of the french intellectuals mostly aderada and foucault but but it’s not going away what’s happened instead is that it’s taken a new strategic tack and it’s one that no one really envisioned what it’s doing is taking over the administration of mid-level bureaucracies everywhere so it’s not so much a threat at the highest level of political organization but that isn’t necessarily where much of the the power over individuals resides it resides in these smaller political uh structures some political structures like like school boards for example or or in canada right now our law society in ontario has made it mandatory for lawyers to produce a statement of principles that they provide a template for they tell you what your damn statement of principles should be and they’re basically equity diversity and inclusivity statements and if you don’t write out your statement of principles declaiming your agreement with these uh principles and simultaneously essentially admitting that you’re a racist then you don’t get your license so we’re fighting a big war about that right now in ontario we might even win it looks like we might win you never know but but and it’s also partly because ordinary people are too complacent about the mid-level bureaucrats who rule over them you know we’re willing to allow those relatively small positions of power to be taken over by groups that are very good at doing that sort of thing and we need to wake up to that because it’s seriously not good and it’s very difficult to fight back against so you’ve also written that throughout your twenties you were a marxist yes what did that to you was that fair harvard’s work no heavens no that was uh when i was uh 20 years old that was when i first came across some stuff by marx and what he said seemed to explain the world around me and one of the reasons is that like many kids then and now they don’t really get any alternative explanation and so it’s like you have to have a candidate to be the candidate so what was uh you grow up in harlem you went to howard before going to harvard yeah so you’re largely in a in a black world an african-american world when you say marx explained the world around you does do you mean to say that he explained the world of segregation no no but for example my first job uh was as a western union messenger i was 16 years old my first full-time job and i used to on some evenings come home instead of taking the subway which was a nickel in those days i would splurge and take the fifth avenue bus which was 15 cents if i was feeling you know you’ve gotten a good tip yeah yeah and uh so so it was we’d start off from 23rd street and go all the way up fifth avenue play past all the gla glittering places and we would turn left at 57th street and go out past more glittering places including carnegie hall right and then we turn up uh at round columbus cycle up broadway and then out to riverside drive all the fancy stuff there and then uh at 135th street we’d come in off a viaduct and immediately there’d be the tenements and of course this is where i lived and i went what is this and uh uh marx seems to seem to explain that got it so what what converted you you graduate from harvard a marxist you remain a marxist throughout your 20s and you’ve written that you had a summer job in washington in 1969 like 1960. 1960. i beg your pardon in 1960 that helped to or that well to just change your view of the sound you cannot explain that uh i mean i was still a marxist after taking milton friedman’s course uh but but one summer in the government was enough to let me say you know this government is really not the answer i mean that is milton friedman didn’t cure you but the federal government is what federal government did not say the federal government doesn’t do anything so what was it in about the job well uh uh one my job was to look look at to study minimum wage uh setting in in puerto rico and of course there and i discovered that as they kept raising them department of labor or you’re collecting statistics for something yeah employer report report right uh and and i i noticed that as they kept raising the minimum wage the employment kept going down and of course economics was saying that was why but the there were two theories the uh uh um the the unions and uh said that uh the reason was going down was that uh there were hurricanes came through a series of hurricanes uh during the time they collected the data and that uh destroyed the sugar cane in the field so there was less required to be processed and so the question is which of those is right and i and i thought i’d been trained to chicago that if there are two different theories there must be some factual thing that would be different at least in principle so i spent the whole summer trying to figure out what what how would i test this and finally i came in one day and announced the little group there in the office that i have it that what we need are statistics on the amount of sugarcane standing in the field before the before the hurricane came through and i’m waiting for the congratulations and i can see look of looks of shock in the room like this idiot has stumbled on something that will ruin us all you know and i realized i was concerned as to whether this law was beneficial or not beneficial to low-income people they were concerned because this law was providing one-third of the income of the u.s department of labor and once you begin to see that the government agencies have their own self-interest quite aside from what whatever they’re theoretically supposed to be doing so they were behaving precisely as a neo-classical precisely as milton friedman would have predicted they were in pursuit of their own incentives that’s right they didn’t want they weren’t trying to they were not trying to establish justice on the face of the earth they were trying to hold on to pretty good jobs yes got it [Music] you

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Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson on why Marxism is so appealing

Truly Right View: Advocating for Free Speech in the Age of Political Censorship

Introduction: What is Free Speech Today?

The Constitutional Perspective: Why Free Speech is Non-Negotiable

Social Media and Cable News: Platforms or Gatekeepers?

Social Media Influencers: Fighters for Freedom or Puppets of Censorship?

The Dangers of Socialism, Communism, and Fascism: A Threat to Free Speech

The Truly Right View: Defending Freedom in the Digital Age

Join the Fight: Sign Up for Our Channel and Newsletter

Will You Speak Up or Stay Silent?

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